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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 21, 2020 12:28:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away from their jobs either. We are talking about possibly 2 years before a vaccine is available and then having to look for work in a depressed economy. Even when jobs start to come back you will be up against the other 20-30% of people out there looking for work. If someone walks away they better be prepared to not have work for a minimum of 2-3 years. Not many people can do that, especially if they have a family to feed. Pretty cavalier to talk about those of us in healthcare who make good money walking away if we want. The system is stressed now, how do you replace us. Posted by someone who did not think of the consequences. In addition, the thought that those of us in healthcare would walk away shows a lack of understanding of our motivation
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 21, 2020 12:33:19 GMT -5
Another way to see the toll of the virus is to take a look at your local paper's obituary pages. I get the Boston Sunday Globe every week, and, as my parents and their parents before them did, I read it cover to cover including the obituaries. Usually the obituaries take up 2-3 pages. This past Sunday, BEFORE Massachusetts hit its peak, the obituaries were 11 pages long, filled with people of all ages who mostly died of Covid-19 and not a single funeral scheduled. If that doesn't put a face or faces on the toll of the virus, I'm not sure what will. Each and every person listed on Sunday had a family who cared enough about them to pay for an obituary in the newspaper to honor the life that person led. Some were highly accomplished in assorted fields, some led simpler lives, some were praised for their gentle/kind/humorous/fun-loving spirits, and others were bid farewell to over the phone thanks to dedicated medical folks. The only common thread was the virus.
Yeah, if you're forced to work among other people because you're essential and can't walk away because of money and/or commitment, you have my unending respect and prayers.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 21, 2020 12:33:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away from their jobs either. We are talking about possibly 2 years before a vaccine is available and then having to look for work in a depressed economy. Even when jobs start to come back you will be up against the other 20-30% of people out there looking for work. If someone walks away they better be prepared to not have work for a minimum of 2-3 years. Not many people can do that, especially if they have a family to feed. Pretty cavalier to talk about those of us in healthcare who make good money walking away if we want. The system is stressed now, how do you replace us. Posted by someone who did not think of the consequences. In addition, the thought that those of us in healthcare would walk away shows a lack of understanding of our motivation Huh I'm not understanding what you are saying...I said that I would NOT make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away. I certainly was not trying to offend anyone in the healthcare industry. Perhaps I used the wrong words . I meant that neither lower and middle income people really have the option to just walk away from their jobs.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 21, 2020 12:36:05 GMT -5
If I walked away I am done working. My field was depressed enough as it was before all this started. We could get by on DH's income but there is the fact that he got hired right before this started. It goes on long enough who is to say that it wouldn't make sense to get rid of him to save his salary?
We're lucky that he can do his job from home. If this had happened in 2010 he would have been at the Omaha Tyson plant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 12:36:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away from their jobs either. We are talking about possibly 2 years before a vaccine is available and then having to look for work in a depressed economy. Even when jobs start to come back you will be up against the other 20-30% of people out there looking for work. If someone walks away they better be prepared to not have work for a minimum of 2-3 years. Not many people can do that, especially if they have a family to feed. Pretty cavalier to talk about those of us in healthcare who make good money walking away if we want. The system is stressed now, how do you replace us. Posted by someone who did not think of the consequences. In addition, the thought that those of us in healthcare would walk away shows a lack of understanding of our motivation Feeling morally obligated to continue work isn't quite the same as financially having to. But, there are plenty of high income essential workers that aren't in healthcare that can't work from home, so I'm not sure why it was assumed pp was just talking just about doctors.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 21, 2020 12:37:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away from their jobs either. We are talking about possibly 2 years before a vaccine is available and then having to look for work in a depressed economy. Even when jobs start to come back you will be up against the other 20-30% of people out there looking for work. If someone walks away they better be prepared to not have work for a minimum of 2-3 years. Not many people can do that, especially if they have a family to feed. Pretty cavalier to talk about those of us in healthcare who make good money walking away if we want. The system is stressed now, how do you replace us. Posted by someone who did not think of the consequences. In addition, the thought that those of us in healthcare would walk away shows a lack of understanding of our motivation Mea culpa. I was clear as mud. My intent was to say that, from a financial point of view, those making mid six figures likely have more financial means to walk away than those making minimum wage. It was merely a financial comparison trying to point out the HUGE range of incomes of essential workers. I did not intend to suggest cavalierly or otherwise that one on the higher end of the pay scale working in medicine would walk away. Quite the contrary. I apologize if it came off that way. ETA: Carl did not posit the moral question, only the tradeoff of one's health and safety in exchange for an income and likely health insurance. I was responding to Carl's question.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 21, 2020 12:37:30 GMT -5
Pretty cavalier to talk about those of us in healthcare who make good money walking away if we want. The system is stressed now, how do you replace us. Posted by someone who did not think of the consequences. In addition, the thought that those of us in healthcare would walk away shows a lack of understanding of our motivation Huh I'm not understanding what you are saying...I said that I would NOT make the presumption that those making six figures have the option to walk away. I certainly was not trying to offend anyone in the healthcare industry. Perhaps I used the wrong words . I meant that neither lower and middle income people really have the option to just walk away from their jobs. Sorry, wasn't meant for you, but the prople who stated that. I understood your point and agree with it
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 21, 2020 13:03:33 GMT -5
It is... cats can become infected. link; linkSo can Dogs. Sorry Miss Tequila Hopefully it will change to the type of dirt a person uses to plant their flowers in ?? Or maybe to which way the wind blows or the rain comes down? Or wind blowing rain sideways!! Ok, I'll shut up for now Yeah, but not as much as cats. <sticking out tongue> (I was trying to lighten the mood like you were.) Neither cats or dogs are a significant source for Covid-19.
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Post by haapai on Apr 21, 2020 13:05:38 GMT -5
I have some good news for anyone still reporting to work in person. My state has recently loosened it's criteria for COVID-19 testing, ramped up its contact tracing, and has put particular emphasis on testing food workers, including some that are not displaying symptoms.
The bad news is that the expanded criteria for testing will probably soak up all of the unused testing capacity and we appear to be short of swabs and reagemts. No word yet about whether the PPE necessary to do this testing exists or what test is being used or how long it will take to get results.
It's good to hear that the state is not waiting to get the numbers down via mitigation measures before using what test and trace capacity they have. The numbers are going down very slowly, so anything that brings it down faster is an undeniable good thing. It's also a chance to get through some of the backlog and work out some of the bugs.
I suddenly feel a whole lot less disposable and dangerous for others to be around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:13:12 GMT -5
Money gives you one thing in life - choices.
I think part of the problem is when you have savings, retirement accounts, assets, you technically can make the choice to walk away from your job if you feel like your life is in danger.
I'm not saying in any way that's a smart financial decision or without massive sacrifice, but one would technically have the option and keep some sort of a roof over their heads and not starve.
When you have no money or assets because you rent and don't have enough income during good times, you have no choice but to work.
It's got to be a horrible position to be in to be forced to work but feel like your life is in danger. It must take some of the edge off if you at least have some sort of choice in the matter.
For this thread - Carl has options, many of his workers (of whatever ethnicity) likely don't.
We don't tend to learn from these things as a people, but hopefully after this people will bulk up on savings, prepare better for emergencies, and perhaps shift how some of our working and healthcare are in this country. I know I will.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 21, 2020 13:19:11 GMT -5
Money gives you one thing in life - choices. I think part of the problem is when you have savings, retirement accounts, assets, you technically can make the choice to walk away from your job if you feel like your life is in danger. I'm not saying in any way that's a smart financial decision or without massive sacrifice, but one would technically have the option and keep some sort of a roof over their heads and not starve. When you have no money or assets because you rent and don't have enough income during good times, you have no choice but to work. It's got to be a horrible position to be in to be forced to work but feel like your life is in danger. It must take some of the edge off if you at least have some sort of choice in the matter.For this thread - Carl has options, many of his workers (of whatever ethnicity) likely don't. We don't tend to learn from these things as a people, but hopefully after this people will bulk up on savings, prepare better for emergencies, and perhaps shift how some of our working and healthcare are in this country. I know I will. I dunno...I might argue that it should lessen that "edge" if you feel you have no choice. If you have a choice, you have the added stress of trying to decide if the choice you're making is the right one. Or it puts that stress on "you" as opposed to being annoyed at the system. If you can walk away, but don't, and someone you know gets sick and dies because of it...it's because of a choice you made. If you feel you have no choice, you can at least be mad "at the system" that "made" you go to work. It's the difference between worrying that something might happen, and worrying that something might happen and it's directly attributable to a decision you made.
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Post by swamp on Apr 21, 2020 13:23:45 GMT -5
Money gives you one thing in life - choices.I think part of the problem is when you have savings, retirement accounts, assets, you technically can make the choice to walk away from your job if you feel like your life is in danger. I'm not saying in any way that's a smart financial decision or without massive sacrifice, but one would technically have the option and keep some sort of a roof over their heads and not starve. When you have no money or assets because you rent and don't have enough income during good times, you have no choice but to work. It's got to be a horrible position to be in to be forced to work but feel like your life is in danger. It must take some of the edge off if you at least have some sort of choice in the matter. For this thread - Carl has options, many of his workers (of whatever ethnicity) likely don't. We don't tend to learn from these things as a people, but hopefully after this people will bulk up on savings, prepare better for emergencies, and perhaps shift how some of our working and healthcare are in this country. I know I will. In the immortal words of Nikki Sixx, "the more money you have, the more people you can tell to go fuck themselves."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:24:58 GMT -5
I suddenly feel a whole lot less disposable and dangerous for others to be around.
You've always tried to give me good advice. I'll try and return the favor. When I was sitting here for the last couple weeks rehabbing my leg, I was watching a lot of news, reading stuff online, etc... way too much. It gets into your head after a while and it's really easy to lose perspective. I was out in the middle of nowhere yesterday and it dawned on me I feel a whole lot different about life when I'm out in the world and away from what POtuS has to say, what people are arguing about on FB, etc... And, in my case the solution is simple, get off the couch and go. Someone once told me to decide how secure I needed my house to be to feel comfortable sleeping in it. They suggested using that as the guide and once everything on the list was done, then stop thinking about it and live life. I refuse to wash my groceries or Lysol off Amazon packages. I think that's just driving everyone crazy for not a ton of risk reduction. Perhaps, consider deciding how to minimize your risk, take those steps, then go with the old standby that tomorrow is never promised to any of us and all we can do is soldier on. Sorry, that's all I've got. Tired from hiking yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:33:22 GMT -5
Money gives you one thing in life - choices.In the immortal words of Nikki Sixx, "the more money you have, the more people you can tell to go fuck themselves." Exactly. I kinda worry about some people, honestly. I don't think we are going to see "normal" for a long while, if ever. The reports are this virus or its close relative, is likely to be a significant problem for a long time. I'm not seeing a lot of mental shift in people as far as a Plan B is considered. Perhaps after this second wave of the pandemic from opening things up too soon. I've spent my morning looking into jobs as a contact tracer. I'm always trying to tell my sons to figure out where there's likely to be decent income in the next few years and try to do something along those lines.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 21, 2020 14:22:08 GMT -5
In the immortal words of Nikki Sixx, "the more money you have, the more people you can tell to go fuck themselves." On a different thread we have been talking about the difference between money and wealth. Wealth allows you to tell people to fuck off but money can be its own trap if you have to rely on others to replenish it.
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Post by swamp on Apr 21, 2020 14:27:38 GMT -5
In the immortal words of Nikki Sixx, "the more money you have, the more people you can tell to go fuck themselves." On a different thread we have been talking about the difference between money and wealth. Wealth allows you to tell people to fuck off but money can be its own trap if you have to rely on others to replenish it. Bill, with all due respect, I like you dude, but you're mansplaining me.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 21, 2020 14:59:12 GMT -5
On a different thread we have been talking about the difference between money and wealth. Wealth allows you to tell people to fuck off but money can be its own trap if you have to rely on others to replenish it. Bill, with all due respect, I like you dude, but you're mansplaining me. Damn, sorry it came across that way. I almost cut the quote down to the Nikki Six statement since I was meaning to address it in a post for all to read.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 16:20:52 GMT -5
I think only the Bill Gates in the world have enough money in this economy to tell the world to "f*ck off." High earners aren't necessarily in that position. They have mortgages, bills, families sometimes, and so on.
In fact, I would argue that minimum wage workers have more choices when it comes to jobs than people who have careers. I know minimum wage workers who change jobs every six months to a year. I don't mean once or twice . . . I mean every six months for years. Try that with a career. If Carl quits his present grocery store company in this time of crisis, he can kiss the whole chain good-bye. That's more pressure than quitting at McDonald's.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 21, 2020 16:42:28 GMT -5
If your health insurance is tied to your employer even if you make more than 11/he you may not have a lot of options.
DH has preexisting conditions. Then what's available on the exchange is not readily accepted here.
Being the last one in given the uncertainty surrounding jobs right now me quitting and going on his is not a wise idea.
I've been with mine over a year and we're above target right now. Mine is also heavily subsidized.
As long as health insurance is still mainly tied to your employer it's not just minimum wage workers who don't have alot of options. Now is not a time when I'd want to be caught without or between companies.
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 21, 2020 16:51:58 GMT -5
Ive read plenty of articles referring to studies showing minorities are disproportionately dying from COVID, especially in the larger cities. I'm not sure why Carl is being jumped on for this. He didn't say white people don't die from COVID. ETA: In NYC and Detroit, it was noted that many of the victims worked for public transit authorities, and the employees skew mostly minority. I hope mine didn't come across as dismissive. I know that I am in a way better position than most essential workers.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 21, 2020 19:16:35 GMT -5
I think only the Bill Gates in the world have enough money in this economy to tell the world to "f*ck off." High earners aren't necessarily in that position. They have mortgages, bills, families sometimes, and so on. In fact, I would argue that minimum wage workers have more choices when it comes to jobs than people who have careers. I know minimum wage workers who change jobs every six months to a year. I don't mean once or twice . . . I mean every six months for years. Try that with a career. If Carl quits his present grocery store company in this time of crisis, he can kiss the whole chain good-bye. That's more pressure than quitting at McDonald's. One of the folks that worked in our department is on her 2nd job after us...I think she's been at 4 jobs in 6 years now... She has a career. I mean, not a 200K career, but still a career, just like I do.
We've had people that we just got trained leaving for different opportunities.
That's the way life works now. We're not high earners. During the last recession, I figured out that I could my full time job and DH and I could each work 20 hours a week and still be able to support our kids until we were on Social Security. Did that budget include Disney/European vacations every year, no. But, our meal choices weren't limited to oatmeal and beans and rice, either.
Our HH income is likely at least half of Carl's. Yes, we started with a leg up in life, but we made sure not to squander that, either. Carl has had way more of a sexy life than I've had. Carl's got far more transferable skills than I do. It should seem that Carl should have more options than seemingly he does.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 22, 2020 7:36:56 GMT -5
I think only the Bill Gates in the world have enough money in this economy to tell the world to "f*ck off." High earners aren't necessarily in that position. They have mortgages, bills, families sometimes, and so on. In fact, I would argue that minimum wage workers have more choices when it comes to jobs than people who have careers. I know minimum wage workers who change jobs every six months to a year. I don't mean once or twice . . . I mean every six months for years. Try that with a career. If Carl quits his present grocery store company in this time of crisis, he can kiss the whole chain good-bye. That's more pressure than quitting at McDonald's. Yes, but those minimum wage workers who "quit" just need to go find another minimum wage job immediately. Not really what we're talking about...we're talking about people who quit to protect themselves and stay home/isolated during the pandemic. I agree with you it's easier to just go replace your current job with another job if you're in a service industry...there are lots of minimum wage jobs without any particular skillset. That's different though than whether you're likely to be able to afford to just stop working for 6 months because you think it's the best thing for your survival. I don't think it's just the Bill Gates's of the world though, anyone who has enough to live comfortably for a year or two, or anyone who can retire, can basically say "f*ck off".
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I think only the Bill Gates in the world have enough money in this economy to tell the world to "f*ck off." High earners aren't necessarily in that position. They have mortgages, bills, families sometimes, and so on. In fact, I would argue that minimum wage workers have more choices when it comes to jobs than people who have careers. I know minimum wage workers who change jobs every six months to a year. I don't mean once or twice . . . I mean every six months for years. Try that with a career. If Carl quits his present grocery store company in this time of crisis, he can kiss the whole chain good-bye. That's more pressure than quitting at McDonald's. I agree that being a high earner doesn't mean you have F off money. I think that gets back to what bills was saying...huge difference between wealth and money. But you do not need Bill Gates money to be in that position. My ultimate goal will be to replace my earned income with rental income (passive now as I have a property manager - long term, not sure). I will probably continue to work once I get to that point because this quarantine has shown me I am not a person who can just be home. However, once I am generating enough passive income I will be in a much different position. I will have my F off money (which is the money earned on my wealth accumulation) and I will be in a much different position. I do not feel highly at risk right now but if I did and I had enough wealth, I would be in a position to tell them to F off. As it stands, I am a high earner who needs health insurance. I have probably a year of liquid cash right now but that is not enough to make me feel like I can walk (I live way below my means). Unlike someone flipping burgers, I cannot just replace my current position with another position of equal pay immediately. The higher up you get, the less of your positions there are. ETA: I think I was not clear in what I was saying as some of you took it that I can't leave my job because of health insurance. I need to have an extra $1k in passive income to cover the cost of health insurance. All in, that is what my BF pays if he had to pay his deductibles (luckily he hasn't for the last two years). I can get it in the open market, just like all other small business owners do. I'm not sure why people are acting like you can't get insurance. You can. Right now, mine is subsidized by my employer. If I leave, I will be paying a lot more than $150/month for coverage.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 22, 2020 8:59:13 GMT -5
I think only the Bill Gates in the world have enough money in this economy to tell the world to "f*ck off." High earners aren't necessarily in that position. They have mortgages, bills, families sometimes, and so on. In fact, I would argue that minimum wage workers have more choices when it comes to jobs than people who have careers. I know minimum wage workers who change jobs every six months to a year. I don't mean once or twice . . . I mean every six months for years. Try that with a career. If Carl quits his present grocery store company in this time of crisis, he can kiss the whole chain good-bye. That's more pressure than quitting at McDonald's. I agree that being a high earner doesn't mean you have F off money. I think that gets back to what bills was saying...huge difference between wealth and money. But you do not need Bill Gates money to be in that position. My ultimate goal will be to replace my earned income with rental income (passive now as I have a property manager - long term, not sure). I will probably continue to work once I get to that point because this quarantine has shown me I am not a person who can just be home. However, once I am generating enough passive income I will be in a much different position. I will have my F off money (which is the money earned on my wealth accumulation) and I will be in a much different position. I do not feel highly at risk right now but if I did and I had enough wealth, I would be in a position to tell them to F off. As it stands, I am a high earner who needs health insurance. I have probably a year of liquid cash right now but that is not enough to make me feel like I can walk (I live way below my means). Unlike someone flipping burgers, I cannot just replace my current position with another position of equal pay immediately. The higher up you get, the less of your positions there are. And the tying of health insurance to employment is a huge mistake. Many people could decide to leave jobs, be self employed, or retire if that wasn't the case. Do you think there could be a solution to that problem, or are you going to continue to complain about paying for someone else's birth control. How many people are going to be uninsured soon because of the economic collapse. Do you think it is reasonable to expect corporations to keep peolple on their health insurance with an economic meltdown?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 22, 2020 9:40:20 GMT -5
I think this pandemic is just putting pressure on what we knew - or should have known - about the vulnerabilities of our economic system.
low wage workers with no sick time low PTO for everyone compared to other developed countries both these have contributed to our culture of working while sick, hoarding sick time if you have it because who wants to waste it while sick? insurance tied to employment low unemployment reimbursement that can't make bills
We've been ignoring these for a long time and now they are our undoing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 9:43:37 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I didn't admit, I have to smile these days when I see people complain about health insurance being coupled with employment. I've been the odd one out on that for a long time saying it shouldn't be and ties people to jobs in a way it shouldn't. People with "good jobs/good insurance" kept insisting it's a perk of their job and it shouldn't change. Glad to see that changing, for everyone's sake.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 22, 2020 9:55:26 GMT -5
I agree that being a high earner doesn't mean you have F off money. I think that gets back to what bills was saying...huge difference between wealth and money. But you do not need Bill Gates money to be in that position. My ultimate goal will be to replace my earned income with rental income (passive now as I have a property manager - long term, not sure). I will probably continue to work once I get to that point because this quarantine has shown me I am not a person who can just be home. However, once I am generating enough passive income I will be in a much different position. I will have my F off money (which is the money earned on my wealth accumulation) and I will be in a much different position. I do not feel highly at risk right now but if I did and I had enough wealth, I would be in a position to tell them to F off. As it stands, I am a high earner who needs health insurance. I have probably a year of liquid cash right now but that is not enough to make me feel like I can walk (I live way below my means). Unlike someone flipping burgers, I cannot just replace my current position with another position of equal pay immediately. The higher up you get, the less of your positions there are. And the tying of health insurance to employment is a huge mistake. Many people could decide to leave jobs, be self employed, or retire if that wasn't the case. Do you think there could be a solution to that problem, or are you going to continue to complain about paying for someone else's birth control. How many people are going to be uninsured soon because of the economic collapse. Do you think it is reasonable to expect corporations to keep peolple on their health insurance with an economic meltdown? Why is that directed to me? When do I complain about someone getting birth control? If an employee is laid off, no I do not think it is reasonable to force the employer to keep them on their health insurance. How many businesses can carry that and for how long? There are businesses that will be shut for a couple of months and some that will never reopen because they have gone bankrupt.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 22, 2020 9:57:18 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I didn't admit, I have to smile these days when I see people complain about health insurance being coupled with employment. I've been the odd one out on that for a long time saying it shouldn't be and ties people to jobs in a way it shouldn't. People with "good jobs/good insurance" kept insisting it's a perk of their job and it shouldn't change. Glad to see that changing, for everyone's sake. Not sure if that is directed at me but I'm not complaining about having my health insurance through my employer. I was saying that my F you money would have to include paying for my own insurance. My fiancé is self-insured so it isn't that big of a deal to me. I know that I will need an extra $1k to pay for insurance plus deductbles, just like he does.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 22, 2020 10:01:03 GMT -5
Insurance is tied to employment only so far as employees DECIDE to tie it to their employment. If you don't want it tied to your employment, go buy it on the open market. People generally CHOOSE to tie it to their employment because they can get a better deal than open market rates. It's like saying "my company has a cafeteria with good prices, but I don't think my food choices should be tied to my employment". They're not, it's an option that nobody is forcing you to exercise. Understandably, people who enjoy the cafeteria and good prices don't want that taken away as an option just because some people wish the cafeteria didn't exist. It's not enough for them to just not use the cafeteria, they want to take the cafeteria away from other people because they don't like it themselves. Just like it makes no sense that if you ate at the cafeteria every day, if you get laid off then of course you can't eat at the cafeteria anymore. Getting a good deal on something because of your job doesn't mean you are entitled to that same good deal when you no longer work there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 10:08:22 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I didn't admit, I have to smile these days when I see people complain about health insurance being coupled with employment. I've been the odd one out on that for a long time saying it shouldn't be and ties people to jobs in a way it shouldn't. People with "good jobs/good insurance" kept insisting it's a perk of their job and it shouldn't change. Glad to see that changing, for everyone's sake. Not sure if that is directed at me but I'm not complaining about having my health insurance through my employer. I was saying that my F you money would have to include paying for my own insurance. My fiancé is self-insured so it isn't that big of a deal to me. I know that I will need an extra $1k to pay for insurance plus deductbles, just like he does. My comment wasn't directed at you at all. It was in response to Ruka's list.
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