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Post by haapai on Jul 8, 2020 13:41:47 GMT -5
I took my dog to the small animal clinic operated by the state university's college of veterinary medicine yesterday. The social distancing measures that I encountered were the strictest and best adhered to that I have encountered so far. Nobody except veterinary staff was permitted in the building.
This may be in excess of what the county requires but it saves the clinic from the fuss of changing their procedures later when the county's case load gets higher. If this is the case, I congratulate them on being proactive.
On the other hand, what the vet school does for its staff and to its bottom line may be quite different from what other parts of the university can do. Their staff may be in a much better position to demand protections than other university employees.
This may portend other university employees demanding similar levels of distancing.
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Post by oped on Jul 8, 2020 14:04:06 GMT -5
I wonder if veterinarian best practices were early and widely circulated, because in general I think they have been wonderful everywhere I heard about.
Or maybe its med in general. I haven't been to the doctor or dentist but daughter was to both and spoke of feeling very comfortable with their protocols.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 8, 2020 14:12:56 GMT -5
I took my dog to the small animal clinic operated by the state university's college of veterinary medicine yesterday. The social distancing measures that I encountered were the strictest and best adhered to that I have encountered so far. Nobody except veterinary staff was permitted in the building.
This may be in excess of what the county requires but it saves the clinic from the fuss of changing their procedures later when the county's case load gets higher. If this is the case, I congratulate them on being proactive.
On the other hand, what the vet school does for its staff and to its bottom line may be quite different from what other parts of the university can do. Their staff may be in a much better position to demand protections than other university employees.
This may portend other university employees demanding similar levels of distancing.
I have yet to be (either work in or as a student) in a university where there is a significant amount of space to do your job. In my old lab, where we had 8 regular employees and another 3-4 students we needed to work with, there *might* be space for 2-3 people to work if they coordinated things well. Students would be particularly problematic as they needed to hang over my shoulder to see what I was doing before they could do it themselves. In addition, while I could be reasonably sure my coworkers would comply with instructions, I've dealt with enough hung over students that I'm thinking I'd be exposed to the 200 patrons of the beer crawl they had the night before.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 14:20:11 GMT -5
I wonder if veterinarian best practices were early and widely circulated, because in general I think they have been wonderful everywhere I heard about. Or maybe its med in general. I haven't been to the doctor or dentist but daughter was to both and spoke of feeling very comfortable with their protocols. In general, we are careful because we are directly at risk, and understand the risks better. In addition, we need to do our part to ensure your safety. So, I would hpe we are better.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 8, 2020 14:49:28 GMT -5
I'd just like to have some clue what is going on. I get plans may change but every other district around me have come out with a fall plan (with the understanding it may change) so parents can start talking to their employers and researching additional child care options. It's also put the bug in employers' ears about possibly having to make accomodations in order to keep staff. Ours is waiting till the freaking end of July. Thanks for leaving me at most three weeks, less if you spring on us you're starting early, to arrange child care. We will make whatever happens work but it's frustrating. I get we don't know what we don't know but you've been out since March, you had to have an outline in by July, WHY are you waiting till seconds before school starts to let us parents know what is going on? Honestly, I think parents should be having that discussion now, regardless of what the district does. I mean. Great if the kids are all healthy, but if the teachers are sick and parents don't want a daily stream of subs...well...maybe it's better to shut the schools down?
That's why I'm working like an SOB now. I still have vacation time from last FY. My clock resets in July. I have enough that between DH and I, we'll manage.
That said, I know you have different parameters. But I think it's worth starting to put some discussions in place. I mean, we cannot predict the future with certainty, but the growth rate is back up to 2%. I think it's safe to say, Covid's not going away in a month...and therefore parents need to start talking to employers about flexibility, alternative scheduling, etc.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 8, 2020 14:57:18 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there.
Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now.
I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 15:14:18 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there. Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now. I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
I know that is the projection, but it will likely be better by then even without a vaccine. Hopefully, we will have more competent leadership in January, and our knowledge about the virus and treatment should lead to a better understanding of its behavior. So, I think life will be better in a year. 6 months, who knows. The virus is winning at present.
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Post by anciana on Jul 8, 2020 16:04:50 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there. Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now. I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
As cliché as it goes, and as annoying as it sounds, you can do it, Drama! You've been through (IMHO) much worse personally and this won't be a walk in a park but you got this! You know the drill! Make plan A, B, C and D. Chances are that most schools will try to go with in-person teaching which means girls will be in school every day. There's a hybrid option you can plan for as well and then at some point if kids end up doing just online/remote school for a while. What is your worst case scenario? Girls at home with remote school? You already know that DH will be working from home 4 days a week till the end of the year so plan with that in mind. You can talk to your boss about working alternate schedule so that you can maybe cover the day DH is not home. You won't know what kind of a system your school will have until they come out with it although this spring can give you some idea. Maybe you could plan to do most of the school assignments with the girls on your days off and DH on his days off. And if DH can flex his schedule a bit and take bigger breaks during the day to supervise them, that would help (many people will be in a similar situation and hopefully employers will be sympathetic). You also already know that your mom and dad will more than likely try to help. Even if it's for a few hours during the day so that DH can work. Your ability to plan and organize will be your greatest strength! DD1 will help you if you talk to her and present it as an adventure in being a big kid and taking responsibility (in small doses as she's still so young). I won't sugarcoat it as I'm sure we'll all curl up and cry at the end of the day in order to make it through another one tomorrow but there's no other option as we simply have to. Hang in there!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 17:39:10 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there. Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now. I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
Well, then you're set better than a lot of people. I'm sure if it gets bad enough that they're still not in school by year end, then your employers will continue to work with you as they have been. My kid is probably just going to be home alone if it's online learning. I'm sure he'll spend a minimum of half the day on youtube or chatting with friends on messenger.
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Post by lurkyloo on Jul 8, 2020 20:51:31 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. Yes. I saw this. International students are critical in terms of lab workers in the STEM fields. The one saving grace for my workplace is that's it's a top research institution. If research dollars don't come in and we don't get state support, I'm not sure exactly how bills are supposed to be paid. That just leaves the option of reducing majors.
But, maybe that's part of the plan? I mean, being educated isn't really an asset anymore in our culture.
I don’t think research will be hit as hard as some areas. Most of it falls on the shoulders of doctoral grad students or postdocs. Postdocs are employees, and most grad students take classes their first year and then spend the next four or so exclusively on research-they are formally teaching assistants their first year and research assistants the next four or so. Some research lends itself better to telework style than others...but if they’re not taking classes in the first place then the ban shouldn’t apply. Research grants also tend to be multi-year affairs, so there should be some wiggle room or cushion or whatever you like to call it. (And the ongoing shortage of STEM workers so we need to import them is a convenient fiction. Really.) I do not want to give the impression that I support the policy though. This is such a mess...I am deeply grateful that I am not currently in the position of weighing a 50-60K tuition bill against living at home and having zoom classes. Or balancing a university budget either. Just in case we doubted it, DJT proved once again that there is no disaster so bad that he can’t make it worse.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 8, 2020 23:02:32 GMT -5
My alma mater released its plan for reopening in the fall. Looks like they are doing in person classes, dorms, new student orientation, the whole shebang. Skipping Labor day and other holidays to rush thru to Thanksgiving, then online after that.
There was talk of creating single direction pathways in the halls, maybe up-only and down-only staircases, only 4 people in an elevator, reduced capacity in the dining hall. They are treating roommates as a "family unit" for contact tracing (so not going all single rooms, obviously). Sending home students who get sick (if within 250 miles), little quarantine facilities available on campus.
Only interesting tidbit - must wear a mask at all times indoors, unless you are the only person in a room. Might be able to go w/o mask, if outdoors AND can socially distance. That's pretty stringent.
It's a tiny, postage stamp sized campus in the city, surrounded on 3 sides by a minority residential neighborhood (4th side is Main St). Err, it was - I guess they've bought up some other properties sort of adjacent (diagonally across Main St in a few directions), so maybe it's not quite so cozy anymore. But the sprawl necessitates more shuttle transportation.
It will be interesting to see how their announcement influences other colleges in the region.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 9, 2020 6:11:36 GMT -5
The problem more with international students is they keep the lights on. The College of Pharmacy is heavily dependent on students from China. There is not that much grant money to go around these days so they have been bringing in more and more international students to make up the difference there.
UNMC got themselves into a jam with their new cancer center assuming that all these researchers would flock to the city. Shocker big deal rich cancer researchers did not flock to Omaha. Now they have a brand new giant animal facility they can't pay for.
Same with the new College of Pharmacy. Yes they really could have used a more up to date building but the size and scope of the new one was again built on the assumption they would have researchers to fill it. The names on the buildings get them up but they don't pay to keep them running. Students are not going to pay what the college will have to raise tuition to in order to cover the shortage from international students and piddly grant money coming in the door.
That's been a crisis long time coming. That is one of the reasons I chose to get out of academia because I could see the writing on the wall. While I do not agree with Trump and I don't believe for one hot second his intentions are based on anything other than stoking xenophobia I will go ahead and point out that this was already a bubble ready to pop. He just gleefully came along with the needle.
Perhaps this will hasten the recovery and higher education costs will re-balance themselves before my kids are old enough to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 7:09:57 GMT -5
Perhaps this will hasten the recovery and higher education costs will re-balance themselves before my kids are old enough to go. Or it just makes it worse when a bunch of schools have to shutter their windows raising the demand at the ones that had the reserves to weather this...more than likely the flagships and the elite privates. Places that are already getting crazy competitive.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jul 9, 2020 7:10:04 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there. Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now. I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
Nomore have you looked into having a HS or college student staying with your kids if they are also doing online learning? Some college students don't have classes on Fridays- I know my daughter didn't last year. Also, check out Care.com. I have used them to find nannies in the past and been very pleased. Also, you might try to find out if there are teachers who have recently retired that would be willing to work one day a week. Keep all of your options open and good luck!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 9, 2020 7:39:33 GMT -5
Perhaps this will hasten the recovery and higher education costs will re-balance themselves before my kids are old enough to go. Or it just makes it worse when a bunch of schools have to shutter their windows raising the demand at the ones that had the reserves to weather this...more than likely the flagships and the elite privates. Places that are already getting crazy competitive. Yeah there is that too. I got 8-13 years left to go though so I am going to try to remain positive in regards to college. I got enough on my plate right now panicking about elementary and middle school depending on how long COVID goes on.
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Post by lurkyloo on Jul 9, 2020 10:12:23 GMT -5
Interested to see how the lawsuit goes. I have a love-hate relationship with my grad alma mater, mostly hate, but it’s nice to see them taking action against the ICE policy.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 9, 2020 12:52:10 GMT -5
A different local college is requiring ALL students, staff, and faculty have Covid testing done. Reportedly the only one regionally, possibly in the state.
I've seen calls for this in school districts, too (by teachers).
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 9, 2020 14:43:56 GMT -5
DH is home except one day a week for at the time being the rest of the year. I am alternating between M-F, T-S for the time being and I've mentioned to my boss depending on the situation I may request to be put on T-S for the rest of the year. My mom can watch them sometimes but my dad needs to figure out the freaking wifi password otherwise they can't do school there. Daycares as far as I know aren't taking new kids which I can understand. Kids & Co is currently up in the air as well. I am hoping that since alternate days are on the table perhaps Kids & Co can operate full time like they are now. I've also started freaking out thinking it may be a real possibility one of us has to quit our jobs if this goes on for 18+ months as projected. I try not to let myself get that far ahead or I start to cry. I am stressed enough trying to figure out how to make 2020 work let alone all the way out to 2022.
I don’t know how it is in your area, but a lot of companies around me are letting their customer service reps work from home. That something that you or your husband could do to keep the lights on. And if your kids aren’t going to school, then you don’t necessarily have to keep a standard school sleep schedule for them.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 9, 2020 14:52:23 GMT -5
My husband is in college right now. I’m very thankful that most of his classes are online, always have been.
If I had a kid who was going to college in the fall, I would steer them towards a good school that has had a strong online component all along, rather than some college where none of the professors have ever taught anything online. In my experience, most college professors do not handle change well, especially when the change is not their idea. They’d rather screw over their students then put any effort into learning something new.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 9, 2020 15:17:35 GMT -5
Perhaps this will hasten the recovery and higher education costs will re-balance themselves before my kids are old enough to go. Or it just makes it worse when a bunch of schools have to shutter their windows raising the demand at the ones that had the reserves to weather this...more than likely the flagships and the elite privates. Places that are already getting crazy competitive. Personally, I don’t really consider it progress that companies are requiring college degrees for the kind of low level, low paying, clerical jobs that people used to do with an eighth grade education. And the reason companies have been able to get away with this is because colleges lowered standards to boost enrollment. Meanwhile, there are a lot of well paying skilled trade jobs going unfilled because everybody has been pushed into college. There’s something to be said for decreasing the number of people getting four-year degrees and increasing number of people going into the skilled trades.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 15:47:58 GMT -5
Or it just makes it worse when a bunch of schools have to shutter their windows raising the demand at the ones that had the reserves to weather this...more than likely the flagships and the elite privates. Places that are already getting crazy competitive. Personally, I don’t really consider it progress that companies are requiring college degrees for the kind of low level, low paying, clerical jobs that people used to do with an eighth grade education. And the reason companies have been able to get away with this is because colleges lowered standards to boost enrollment. Meanwhile, there are a lot of well paying skilled trade jobs going unfilled because everybody has been pushed into college. There’s something to be said for decreasing the number of people getting four-year degrees and increasing number of people going into the skilled trades. Have they though? Maybe the smaller regional schools (although back when I started at a small regional college in the 80's it was not difficult to get in those either). It seems like the in demand schools are just getting harder and harder to get in. It's crazy seeing these kids with 4.0 GPAs and 33 ACT scores stressing about not getting in their state flagship. The college at the university my son is going to has less than a 20% acceptance rate. You see parents prepping kids in middle school already trying to get the extracurriculars and taking the most rigorous curriculum available, then taking the ACT and SAT multiple times. Then there is the stress of applying so early now. My son had applications out before he even started senior year and was all done applying before Thanksgiving. Back in my day (I sound like Phil), it was so much more laid back. Heck, I took the ACT just a month before college classes started. However, I think there is a lot of high school grade inflation and the test scores appear higher because the kids aren't just taking them once without prepping like they used to.
But, I do agree about the belief that every job needs a degree being ridiculous. They keep changing the requirements on mine. Sometimes it's a 2 year degree, sometimes 4 year, sometimes they drop all the education requirements. It's the same damn job and we still can't find anyone to fill the position. It's been open for 4 years now.
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Post by oped on Jul 9, 2020 17:02:17 GMT -5
Again though, is that because it IS harder, or is it because all of that SELLS. All the prep, all the tutors and AP test, etc. I know there are a few schools, and maybe a few areas of study that are competitive, but is it generalized? Our path was nothing like that and my kids are in good schools. Daughter, who did 2 years of public, watched her friends who basically had spent their whole academic lives prepping, end up in mostly the same place. Oh, also they applied to like 10 schools each ... at least (with the fees) we didn't do that either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:22:50 GMT -5
I don't know. I just know engineering and it's crazy hard. There were something like 14,000 applicants for 1500 freshman spots (although I think they accepted around 4,000). My son is in the bottom quartile with a 31 ACT and 3.8 GPA. A couple other of the colleges are that competitive as well. We applied to 8 schools, but a lot of kids do that when they're chasing the merit/aid. The cost differences were pretty big.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 9, 2020 17:46:36 GMT -5
I see the same trends as oped. Most of my kiddos apply to 6-8 schools, even the ones that won't get the same sort of aid you do, MPL (living in a million dollar home doesn't exactly show they have financial needs, KWIM?). A lot of kids take test prep courses.
DS comes back and reports what he sees parents of his friends doing. One kid has to go to summer school if he gets a B or less in class, to ensure a high GPA.
(He also told me another kid works, and his parents take his paychecks and decide what to do with it...kid doesn't even have access to the money he earns.)
DD1 is in 6th grade. She told me one girl in her class has to have perfect spelling tests (100%) if the girl wants to watch TV over the weekend. One wrong=no tv.
DD1 has also informed me that she's had other friends parents that are much harder on them about grades than we are. Apparently, our message of "It's junior high...grades and perfection in 6-8th grade won't matter ever in your life" is not one that other parents share.
The amusing thing, is while these parents are strict with grades, they aren't strict with the things that CAN be big issues. Bullying is rampant and super ugly with girls in 6-8th grade. Parents are more than willing to turn a blind eye to that. And I'd argue that the bullying has potentially worse consequences than getting a 95% on a spelling test.
That said...I do think career choice matters. DD1 wants to be a teacher. The School of Ed is like #3 in the nation here at our flagship. There are half the students enrolled today, than there were a decade ago. The school of Ed is majorly hurting right now, in terms of student enrollment.
Some of it is also a function of people having less kids. If everyone had three and four kids, I think applying for 6-8 schools wouldn't be the norm. If every family was big, parents wouldn't have time to argue with teachers to get grades fixed, or try to contact professors to see why their kid isn't getting an appropriate grade in class.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:04:48 GMT -5
It's not just aid, it's merit too. I've been following the journey on another board of one guy that makes too much for aid (I believe they were around 160K/year), but yet they have no money for college due to several reasons. His limit was 10-15K/year. His daughter is an exceptional student and they applied to 23 schools all over the country, she got into biggies like Princeton, Rose Hulman, Michigan, and Johns Hopkins, but the winner was USC. They're going to be cutting her a check for 9K every year to attend.
Not to mention the application deadlines for everything is so early now. Who wants to make the final decision in October of your senior year? Better to have all the options in front of you in May.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:25:24 GMT -5
This guys journey with his daughter was fascinating (and grueling, I can't imagine), but this is what casting a wide net can do if you're strategic about it. Their EFC was 22K, but he set a line in the sand of no more than 15K/year and they stuck to it.
(1) University of South Carolina. D20 was invited to the Top Scholars competition. Initially she was awarded a Horseshoe scholarship, which is essentially full tuition, but was named a McNair alternate. Very soon after the initial award she was notified that she was bumped up to a McNair. In addition, she was awarded $6K Provost for NHRP, and an additional $6K departmental scholarship.
McNair Scholarship : $22K + In-State tuition (essentially an additional $23K) = $45K Provost + Departmental Scholarship = $12K
Out of state COA : $48K Merit Aid : $57K Cost to us : -$9K
So, although we haven't seen it official yet, our understanding is that she will receive a check from UofSC for about $9K every year for her to attend.
(2) Rose Hulman. D20 was awarded a Commitment Scholarship for full tuition, and later won a full room & board scholarship. On top of that, she was awarded a full scholarship for the cost of a laptop, which they require incoming students to buy and costs $2400.
COA : $66K Merit Aid : $65K (plus a one time $2400 laptop) Cost to us : $1K
(3) Miami Ohio. D20 was awarded a $41K merit scholarship, and invited to attend the Presidential Fellows scholarship competition, but she did not win a PFP scholarship. They did give all PFP finalists a full tuition award, but with her initial scholarship she already had a better than full tuition award.
COA : $50K Merit Aid : $41K Cost to us : $9K
(4) UC Irvine. BIG CAVEAT : this does NOT include room & board - this is the one school she applied to where she would live at home and commute. So the COA and Cost to us numbers here cannot be directly compared to other schools.
In-State COA without Room & Board : $14K Merit Aid : $5K Cost to us : $9K
(5) Alabama Honors College. COA : $45K Merit Aid : $33K Cost to us : $12K
(6) Utah Honors College. Given that D20 already had 4 scholarship competition invites, she did not apply for their full ride Eccles Scholarship. COA : $42K Merit Aid : $28K Cost to us : $14K
(7) Arizona State Barrett Honors College COA : $45K Merit Aid : $29K Cost to us : $16K
(8) Michigan State Honors. Like Utah, D20 did not apply for their full ride Alumni Distinguished Scholarship COA : $50K Merit Aid : $28K Financial Aid : $1K Cost to us : $21K
(9) Johns Hopkins. No merit aid with JHU, but very generous with the financial aid. When I contacted them about the fact that our other (disabled) daughter would not be attending college full time, they stated that they will consider her to have a comparable college career and as long as she is financially dependent on us and progressing towards independence and taking college classes, and as such they would not reduce our financial aid. They were also very eager to find any other reasons to increase our financial aid, and in my opinion really tried to work with us to reduce the cost even more. COA : $74K Financial Aid : $50K Work Study : $3K Cost to us : $21K
(10) Pittsburgh Honors. D20 applied for their full ride Chancellors Scholarship but was not invited to the competition. COA : $50K Merit Aid : $27K Cost to us : $23K
(11) Clarkson Honors. D20 applied for their Ignite scholarship but did not win. COA : $69K Merit Aid : $38K Financial Aid : $5K Work Study : $1K Cost to us : $25K
(12) UCLA. Was not awarded any merit aid at all. In-State COA : $29K Merit Aid : $0 Financial Aid : $4K Cost to us : $25K
(13) UCSD. Like UCLA, not awarded any merit aid at all. In-State COA : $29K Merit Aid : $0 Financial Aid : $1K Work Study : $2K Cost to us : $26K
(14) RPI COA : $73K Merit Aid : $41K Financial Aid : $5K Cost to us : $27K
(15) Princeton. Their financial aid offer did not include our other daughter having any college expenses. I contacted them and had a very negative experience - they did not seem interested at all in working with us - the complete opposite experience of JHU COA : $72K Financial Aid : $43K Cost to us : $29K
(16) USC. D20 was invited to their Explore USC event where she could win a half or full tuition scholarship. After attending the event, USC became her #1 favorite school, but unfortunately she only won a half tuition scholarship plus $15K in other USC scholarships. Had she won a full tuition scholarship we probably would have found a way to make it work. COA : $76K Merit Aid : $44K Work Study : $3K Cost to us : $29K
(17) Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) COA : $66K Merit Aid : $19K Financial Aid : $15K Work Study : $3K Cost to us : $29K
(18) Vanderbilt. D20 applied for CV full tuition scholarship but did not win. She was in fact not awarded any merit aid at all. COA : $73K Merit Aid : $0 Financial Aid : $38K Work Study : $2K Cost to us : $33K
(19) Stevens Institute of Technology COA : $72K Merit Aid : $28K Financial Aid : $7K Work Study : $2K Cost to us : $35K
(20) Worcester Poly Institute COA : $70K Merit Aid : $31K Financial Aid : $1K Cost to us : $38K
(21) Northeastern COA : $74K Merit Aid : $33K Financial Aid : $0 Work Study : $2K Cost to us : $39K
(22) Colorado School of Mines. D20 was invited to apply for their full tuition Harvey scholarship but after examining the chances she did not. COA : $56K Merit Aid : $14K Financial Aid : $0 Work Study : $2K Cost to us : $40K
(23) And the only school that she applied to but was waitlisted was Rice.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 9, 2020 18:56:27 GMT -5
Personally, I don’t really consider it progress that companies are requiring college degrees for the kind of low level, low paying, clerical jobs that people used to do with an eighth grade education. And the reason companies have been able to get away with this is because colleges lowered standards to boost enrollment. Meanwhile, there are a lot of well paying skilled trade jobs going unfilled because everybody has been pushed into college. There’s something to be said for decreasing the number of people getting four-year degrees and increasing number of people going into the skilled trades. Have they though? Maybe the smaller regional schools (although back when I started at a small regional college in the 80's it was not difficult to get in those either). It seems like the in demand schools are just getting harder and harder to get in. It's crazy seeing these kids with 4.0 GPAs and 33 ACT scores stressing about not getting in their state flagship. The college at the university my son is going to has less than a 20% acceptance rate. The grade inflation started in the 1960s, when flunking out of college meant you could be drafted. Before that, you had to be really smart to get into college. Of course, there were gonna be some places that are harder to get into than they were in generations past, because they have not increased their enrollment to keep up with the number of kids going to college. When I went to college in the 90s, there were tons of kids there who were struggling with stuff I had mastered in elementary school. They had no background, no study skills, and fully expected to get A’s and B’s while doing next to nothing. It was pretty clear that they either weren’t that bright or they had completely blown off K-12. When I went into the corporate world, there was no shortage of college educated idiots. It made me really question the value of a college education.
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Post by oped on Jul 9, 2020 19:12:17 GMT -5
What was the girl going for MPL? Those schools are just so different? I don't really get it. She obviously had good stats to be asked to apply for full scholarships... so I don't understand the broad process I guess.
Its not all just a straight number game either. To say no to John Hopkins at 21K depending on the area she was pursuing... ? in exchange for what? a state university?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 19:53:53 GMT -5
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Post by oped on Jul 9, 2020 20:04:46 GMT -5
Did she pick Rose Hulman?
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