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Post by mollyc on Jul 2, 2020 12:29:27 GMT -5
DD signed up for Fall and Spring classes this morning. Everything is online.
We are going to have to find her somewhere to go and work every day. She sometimes has a hard time concentrating at her desk. DH doesn’t help because he randomly walks in to talk to her about things or complain about the noise. She can use headphones to hear but she can’t participate in class and stay silent. Not only is participating the easiest 10% to earn, she doesn’t learn passively. She needs to interact for the information to stick.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 2, 2020 15:08:40 GMT -5
Saw that that USC is going online for fall. That's a large university. I'm looking for UCLA to follow and probably Arizona and Arizona State. I think it's Arizona that has stopped athletic workouts.
Since USC is going online, I think there will be changes in Pac 12 football. The commissioner has said all along if no students on campus, no football.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 2, 2020 15:17:32 GMT -5
Saw that that USC is going online for fall. That's a large university. I'm looking for UCLA to follow and probably Arizona and Arizona State. I think it's Arizona that has stopped athletic workouts. Since USC is going online, I think there will be changes in Pac 12 football. The commissioner has said all along if no students on campus, no football. The entire Cal State system had already announced it would be completely online for fall. I am honestly surprised the UC system hasn't already followed suit.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 2, 2020 15:21:01 GMT -5
I know they did. Stanford is the only private school in the Pac12 located in California. I'm figuring Cal will follow suit.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 8, 2020 6:54:54 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes?
Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly.
Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jul 8, 2020 7:01:46 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. I think there are some racial undertones with this ruling.
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Post by oped on Jul 8, 2020 7:04:29 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. I saw one person saying they were attempting to build a research class for all inte4national students that met individually a few times a semester.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 8, 2020 7:13:04 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. Yes. I saw this. International students are critical in terms of lab workers in the STEM fields. The one saving grace for my workplace is that's it's a top research institution. If research dollars don't come in and we don't get state support, I'm not sure exactly how bills are supposed to be paid. That just leaves the option of reducing majors.
But, maybe that's part of the plan? I mean, being educated isn't really an asset anymore in our culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 7:15:51 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. I saw one person saying they were attempting to build a research class for all inte4national students that met individually a few times a semester. DS's school hinted to something similar in a Q&A meeting yesterday when asked about the ruling from an International parent. The rep from the school said, they were still working on it since it was a recent development, but they just had to have ONE in-person class to be exempt and "we are planning on making that happen for them".
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 8, 2020 7:28:52 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. Yes. I saw this. International students are critical in terms of lab workers in the STEM fields. The one saving grace for my workplace is that's it's a top research institution. If research dollars don't come in and we don't get state support, I'm not sure exactly how bills are supposed to be paid. That just leaves the option of reducing majors.
But, maybe that's part of the plan? I mean, being educated isn't really an asset anymore in our culture.
That was a good part of the drift of the conversation - dissing the intellectual elites is prime motivation. What is this irrational need to destroy that which you don't/can't understand or achieve? They want to be able to claim they are the "best" (something), but you don't get to be the best by breaking the system (so you "win" by default), you get to be the best by actually working to be the best.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 8, 2020 8:19:32 GMT -5
CU professors are offering in person independent study courses to international students.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 8, 2020 8:23:11 GMT -5
I'd just like to have some clue what is going on. I get plans may change but every other district around me have come out with a fall plan (with the understanding it may change) so parents can start talking to their employers and researching additional child care options. It's also put the bug in employers' ears about possibly having to make accomodations in order to keep staff.
Ours is waiting till the freaking end of July. Thanks for leaving me at most three weeks, less if you spring on us you're starting early, to arrange child care.
We will make whatever happens work but it's frustrating. I get we don't know what we don't know but you've been out since March, you had to have an outline in by July, WHY are you waiting till seconds before school starts to let us parents know what is going on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 8:26:55 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's hard for individual schools because it doesn't matter what they plan, they still have to follow whatever the state mandates and that could change at any time.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 8:34:53 GMT -5
Yes. I saw this. International students are critical in terms of lab workers in the STEM fields. The one saving grace for my workplace is that's it's a top research institution. If research dollars don't come in and we don't get state support, I'm not sure exactly how bills are supposed to be paid. That just leaves the option of reducing majors.
But, maybe that's part of the plan? I mean, being educated isn't really an asset anymore in our culture.
That was a good part of the drift of the conversation - dissing the intellectual elites is prime motivation. What is this irrational need to destroy that which you don't/can't understand or achieve? They want to be able to claim they are the "best" (something), but you don't get to be the best by breaking the system (so you "win" by default), you get to be the best by actually working to be the best. It is harder to manipulate educated people. Increase in education correlates to decrease in religious beliefs. I think highly educated people (at this time in history) are less likely to vote Republican. Highly educated people are more likely to do quality research and understand bad sources. There is a reason the GOP has been trying to destroy education for a long time. It isn't about saving money, it is about survival of the party's current direction.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 8, 2020 8:36:33 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's hard for individual schools because it doesn't matter what they plan, they still have to follow whatever the state mandates and that could change at any time. That's why the schools in my state have to come up with 3 contingency plans, depending upon the circumstances at the time. We'd all like to know what to expect, but no one really knows. Everyone is flying by the seat of their pants. My current feeling is that I'd like my kids to go in to school a couple days a week. That could totally change by September. Maybe the SHTF, and I'll want to keep them home 100%, or maybe things will ease up, and I'll want them to go to school every day. I don't know myself. The schools have to try to accommodate everyone. It's just hard all around.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jul 8, 2020 9:18:53 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the ruling that international students can't stay in the US if their school is fully online classes? Many on Twitter were viewing this as an attempt to force schools to hold in person classes; the loss of international students is too costly. Of course, one proposed work around was if schools said every course had 2 in person days. Then grant students ability to skip 2 days w/o penalty. F1 visas have never permitted full-time online education. I think students were only allowed to take one online class in any semester. To be fair to the current administration (I think I may have thrown up a little in my mouth just typing that phrase) they could have just been bringing attention to that clause and making sure schools and students know that a fully online program is in conflict with the visa. Can the administration make a temporary change to that requirement or is Congress required to act?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 8, 2020 9:35:29 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's hard for individual schools because it doesn't matter what they plan, they still have to follow whatever the state mandates and that could change at any time. Then Reynolds needs to get off her ass and make a decision. I get this apparently makes me a bad person who doesn't understand how pandemics work but as a person with anxiety and as a two working parent household with limited daycare options I'd just like to have some damn idea before they're ready to walk in the door. I am totally fine with if it changes at some point I'd just like to know SOMETHING. Instead I am driving myself insane making plans A-Z which include possibly one of us having to leave the workforce depending on how long this goes on. I guess I can say at least short of a zombie apocalypse I've thought of just about everything.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 8, 2020 9:44:35 GMT -5
Among DH's nieces and nephews, the only announced plan I've heard is from one private high school. And they've been going through multiple scenarios since May. While they are private, if the state board comes down with something, I don't think they can completely flaunt that.
They are planning on a hybrid model with a reduced number of students on campus each day. The other days will be online instruction. My niece got a list the other day and needs a headset.
The hybrid is most likely because when they arranged the desks 6 feet apart, they lost seating for 8-10 students per room. And enrollment is up due to the closure of a nearby private school.
I can't speak for all schools but I know this one in particular has been running all kinds of scenarios and trying to pick one for months. They couldn't do it in the absence of guidance from state officials. My sister in law is a principal there, they've twisted themselves inside out trying to make a plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:51:10 GMT -5
None of the K-12 schools around here have announced anything. I'm on the email list for the public, the private and the charter, and it's been crickets the past month. I'm pretty sure the plan is just to do whatever they're allowed to by the governor and September seems a lifetime away in pandemic time. So, it will be all in-person, hybrid or all remote. Pretty sure on those three scenarios.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:56:39 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's hard for individual schools because it doesn't matter what they plan, they still have to follow whatever the state mandates and that could change at any time. Then Reynolds needs to get off her ass and make a decision. I get this apparently makes me a bad person who doesn't understand how pandemics work but as a person with anxiety and as a two working parent household with limited daycare options I'd just like to have some damn idea before they're ready to walk in the door. I am totally fine with if it changes at some point I'd just like to know SOMETHING. Instead I am driving myself insane making plans A-Z which include possibly one of us having to leave the workforce depending on how long this goes on. I guess I can say at least short of a zombie apocalypse I've thought of just about everything. Well, you could always just take the bull by the horns and make the call to homeschool or enroll in an online academy and just make that your plan and run with it. Maybe not your preference for how next year goes, but at least it would be under your control and you wouldn't have to be worrying about what the state did or didn't do or things changing constantly.
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Post by anciana on Jul 8, 2020 9:57:15 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's hard for individual schools because it doesn't matter what they plan, they still have to follow whatever the state mandates and that could change at any time. Then Reynolds needs to get off her ass and make a decision. I get this apparently makes me a bad person who doesn't understand how pandemics work but as a person with anxiety and as a two working parent household with limited daycare options I'd just like to have some damn idea before they're ready to walk in the door. I am totally fine with if it changes at some point I'd just like to know SOMETHING. Instead I am driving myself insane making plans A-Z which include possibly one of us having to leave the workforce depending on how long this goes on. I guess I can say at least short of a zombie apocalypse I've thought of just about everything. Drama, have any of the school districts around you made any decisions yet? Has the state made any indications about which way they would want to go? Our state is not doing terribly right now (yay, what an optimistic way of wording this) and we've heard that the state would very much like to go to in-person school so several school districts have made tentative plans for that though ours hasn't and won't for another few weeks. So, we wait. School then starts few weeks after the decision is made.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 9:59:24 GMT -5
Among DH's nieces and nephews, the only announced plan I've heard is from one private high school. And they've been going through multiple scenarios since May. While they are private, if the state board comes down with something, I don't think they can completely flaunt that. They are planning on a hybrid model with a reduced number of students on campus each day. The other days will be online instruction. My niece got a list the other day and needs a headset. The hybrid is most likely because when they arranged the desks 6 feet apart, they lost seating for 8-10 students per room. And enrollment is up due to the closure of a nearby private school. I can't speak for all schools but I know this one in particular has been running all kinds of scenarios and trying to pick one for months. They couldn't do it in the absence of guidance from state officials. My sister in law is a principal there, they've twisted themselves inside out trying to make a plan. I get why schools aren't locking down their plans. The federal government is saying they can mandate schools, the state government says they are making the decisions, city governments think their rules will rein, school districts are making decisions and individual schools are making decisions. Meanwhile, the (actual scientific) information about Covid is growing and changing. I'm not sure how they could come out with anything and expect it to stick. I also get why parents are anxious. If my kids were elementary age, I would be freaking the F out. They need info to make plans, make decisions, get resources, etc. It just sucks all the way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:24:06 GMT -5
Well, this is Trump's tweet this morning about it and he's threatening to remove funding for any schools who refuse to open in the next month to make him look good!
"I disagree with @cdcgov on their very tough & expensive guidelines for opening schools. While they want them open, they are asking schools to do very impractical things. I will be meeting with them!!!"
If I were a parent with school-age kids, I would be making plans for them not to attend in-person classes. It's clear that's going to lead to outbreaks and be a complete cluster.
At this point, since the government refuses to believe the pandemic is a problem to be addressed, it's every American's job to protect themselves and their families as best as possible. IMHO.
As for the international students, it's been said that's 1 million students affected by the online issue.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 10:42:26 GMT -5
I listened to part of the "Discussion on Reopening Schools." I had to bail because I had a call, but the part I heard was just random people saying (eloquently) 'We should open the schools'. Some people said stuff about well being,etc. But for the most part, I only heard general statements.
The part I didn't hear was HOW we should open them. Details, details. If that had been a real discussion about the best way to prevent spread in the school setting, I would be totally cool with that. Did they get to that later? Or is this a binary choice - open, not open. There is no "open, but with {{fill in the blank}}" option.
I have been thinking about my kid's elementary school. They have a huge cafeteria, a small gym and a sizable library. Also, it is nice here all winter. I could imagine a way that, with enough people, they could spread students out. Regukar classrooms take a reduced load. Set up a bunch of outdoor classrooms under tents. Split the cafeteria up into sections and have small groups meet there. Turn the gym into an additional classroom, and use the space in the library for instruction. Mix that with optional online days for families that can handle that, it could be done.
They might find that kids will do better and learn more with smaller classes, more fresh air, time in the library and small group instruction. Wouldn't that be a treat.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 8, 2020 10:48:58 GMT -5
Then Reynolds needs to get off her ass and make a decision. I get this apparently makes me a bad person who doesn't understand how pandemics work but as a person with anxiety and as a two working parent household with limited daycare options I'd just like to have some damn idea before they're ready to walk in the door. I am totally fine with if it changes at some point I'd just like to know SOMETHING. Instead I am driving myself insane making plans A-Z which include possibly one of us having to leave the workforce depending on how long this goes on. I guess I can say at least short of a zombie apocalypse I've thought of just about everything. Drama, have any of the school districts around you made any decisions yet? Has the state made any indications about which way they would want to go? Our state is not doing terribly right now (yay, what an optimistic way of wording this) and we've heard that the state would very much like to go to in-person school so several school districts have made tentative plans for that though ours hasn't and won't for another few weeks. So, we wait. School then starts few weeks after the decision is made. The majority of Nebraska districts have. Carter Lake has a few other counties in Iowa have per random encounters with customers I've talked to. IDK about Lewis Central or St. Alberts because I don't know anyone who is attending there.
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Post by azucena on Jul 8, 2020 11:28:11 GMT -5
If only we had a leader for education, we could call him/her the secretary of education and rely on his/her knowledge of school systems. Oh wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 11:40:11 GMT -5
If only we had a leader for education, we could call him/her the secretary of education and rely on his/her knowledge of school systems. Oh wait! She just spoke on TV. Seems the CDC 'guidelines' aren't mandatory but getting the economy going isn't possible unless kids are sent back to school. How to do it safely is simply up to each school to figure out. Sounds like a safe plan... not.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 8, 2020 12:24:45 GMT -5
I'm so grateful my kids are out of school (well, 3 are still in college) and I don't have grandkids yet. Those of you with kids are facing hard choices!
My DSIL and I were discussing this last night. He and my DD1 want to start a family soon. I told him not to worry, i'm capable of schooling any offspring and DH will retire and babysit (he should be on disability anyway) 😁 DSIL looks more worried now! 🤣
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 8, 2020 13:19:02 GMT -5
If only we had a leader for education, we could call him/her the secretary of education and rely on his/her knowledge of school systems. Oh wait! She just spoke on TV. Seems the CDC 'guidelines' aren't mandatory but getting the economy going isn't possible unless kids are sent back to school. How to do it safely is simply up to each school to figure out. Sounds like a safe plan... not. So how to deal with conflicting messages sent by the administration. The CDC provides guidelines to try to help, but there not only is there no money coming to help ease the situation, the president has threatened to withhold school funding if schools don't open. Isn't this just a little bit of extortion? Not unlike what we saw in Ukraine? <can you have just a little bit of extortion?>
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 8, 2020 13:24:38 GMT -5
Apparently the governor in West Virginia just announced schools will not open until September 8th. They'd been going back a lot earlier in the past.
And illustrating why school districts are stuck in a bad spot, this contradicts what at least one county just published yesterday.
There's a rumor going around that one county near me isn't going back until 2021. A neighbor teaches in that system but she's on vacation right now.
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