for those of you in higher education

[teen persuasion]

Sept 2, 2020 23:10:22 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Well, yesterday's positivity rate on campus with very limited testing (almost 1700 tests) was 3%. 7 day average is still under 2%.

However, yesterday's 49 cases is enough to reset the clock in terms of the peanut being able to go to school, face to face, a couple days a week. But, who knows. Maybe the city will exclude the positive cases from college kids in their data reporting to keep averages low enough that kids can go back to school?

Question: non-local students who test positive - where is their count tallied?  At the college, or at their official home address?

I'm asking, because I've seen details in our local Covid tally sites that implies that a new positive case is added to the county/locality where they "officially" live, and as a parent of college students I know students are considered to be living at home even while living on campus for months on end.

There'd been an uptick in cases locally (compared to the rest of the state) a week or more ago, but they've all been linked to clusters here and there (a migrant farm group, an ice cream facility, an assisted living facility).  Just now the colleges are starting classes and beginning to haphazardly test, so those numbers haven't hit in big numbers (yet), but it suddenly hit me that students might get reported in their "home" counties.

[giramomma]

Sept 3, 2020 10:05:17 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sept 2, 2020 23:10:22 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Well, yesterday's positivity rate on campus with very limited testing (almost 1700 tests) was 3%. 7 day average is still under 2%.

However, yesterday's 49 cases is enough to reset the clock in terms of the peanut being able to go to school, face to face, a couple days a week. But, who knows. Maybe the city will exclude the positive cases from college kids in their data reporting to keep averages low enough that kids can go back to school?

Question: non-local students who test positive - where is their count tallied?  At the college, or at their official home address?

I'm asking, because I've seen details in our local Covid tally sites that implies that a new positive case is added to the county/locality where they "officially" live, and as a parent of college students I know students are considered to be living at home even while living on campus for months on end.

There'd been an uptick in cases locally (compared to the rest of the state) a week or more ago, but they've all been linked to clusters here and there (a migrant farm group, an ice cream facility, an assisted living facility).  Just now the colleges are starting classes and beginning to haphazardly test, so those numbers haven't hit in big numbers (yet), but it suddenly hit me that students might get reported in their "home" counties.

I have no idea. Educational reporting isn't particularly transparent, and city data lags university data by at least a day. So it's hard to compare and make educated guesses.

[oped]

RIT has a dashboard. Hoping its accurate. 


www.rit.edu/ready/dashboard

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Sept 3, 2020 10:05:17 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sept 2, 2020 23:10:22 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Question: non-local students who test positive - where is their count tallied?  At the college, or at their official home address?

I'm asking, because I've seen details in our local Covid tally sites that implies that a new positive case is added to the county/locality where they "officially" live, and as a parent of college students I know students are considered to be living at home even while living on campus for months on end.

There'd been an uptick in cases locally (compared to the rest of the state) a week or more ago, but they've all been linked to clusters here and there (a migrant farm group, an ice cream facility, an assisted living facility).  Just now the colleges are starting classes and beginning to haphazardly test, so those numbers haven't hit in big numbers (yet), but it suddenly hit me that students might get reported in their "home" counties.

My small, rural county just added another case. However, it was reported the person is not in the county and has no plans to be here before their quarantine would end in 14 days. College student now in a different city/state?

I suspect you will see cases reported to the area where someone's permanent address is in an effort to keep college locations' numbers artificially low. Then in the home area, they will claim the case isn't in the area so there's no danger of spread...

At this point, it's all a very dangerous game of play with the numbers, don't test enough, and hide things.

[giramomma]

We have a dashboard as well. That part IS transparent. If/how the numbers are reported to public health is another matter.

[haapai]

I wonder how many college students will be moving back home this weekend or refusing to go back on Monday.

[TheOtherMe]

Colorado has a dashboard.  I understand that it is new.  At first it reported only students moving in to dorms.  It appears they have now added in positive cases from students living off campus and in fraternities and sororities.

CU has been tight lipped about athletes so I doubt if the dashboard includes them.


CU Boulder enrollment drops, administrators warn more budget cuts are looming

www.denverpost.com/2020/09/03/cu-boulder-budget-cuts-coronavirus-enrollment/

Article states CU has not stated how much enrollment is down but employees will be notified of furloughs, pay cuts by end of week.  

[Deleted]

I posted a link in another thread, but 30% of PSU's athletes who tested positive had myocarditis. I wonder if it's the same for all the other college students/people who test positive as well? 

[teen persuasion]

Sept 3, 2020 10:59:16 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Sept 3, 2020 10:05:17 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Question: non-local students who test positive - where is their count tallied?  At the college, or at their official home address?

I'm asking, because I've seen details in our local Covid tally sites that implies that a new positive case is added to the county/locality where they "officially" live, and as a parent of college students I know students are considered to be living at home even while living on campus for months on end.

There'd been an uptick in cases locally (compared to the rest of the state) a week or more ago, but they've all been linked to clusters here and there (a migrant farm group, an ice cream facility, an assisted living facility).  Just now the colleges are starting classes and beginning to haphazardly test, so those numbers haven't hit in big numbers (yet), but it suddenly hit me that students might get reported in their "home" counties.

My small, rural county just added another case. However, it was reported the person is not in the county and has no plans to be here before their quarantine would end in 14 days. College student now in a different city/state?

I suspect you will see cases reported to the area where someone's permanent address is in an effort to keep college locations' numbers artificially low. Then in the home area, they will claim the case isn't in the area so there's no danger of spread...

At this point, it's all a very dangerous game of play with the numbers, don't test enough, and hide things.

Just saw that SUNY Oneonta's cluster is 400ish, so far; they've called it for the semester, sending everyone home.  Yet when I look on the state dashboard, that county in Mohawk region only had 20 or so new cases each day over the last few days.  So the student cases must be being reported back to their home communities.

[TheOtherMe]

An ICU patient was transferred from here to the University of Madison hospital, so a change in states.  He lives here.

I was told his case will be counted in Iowa, not Wisconsin.  He was transferred there because the treatment he needed is not available here.

[giramomma]

Sept 3, 2020 20:45:54 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sept 3, 2020 10:59:16 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Just saw that SUNY Oneonta's cluster is 400ish, so far; they've called it for the semester, sending everyone home.  Yet when I look on the state dashboard, that county in Mohawk region only had 20 or so new cases each day over the last few days.  So the student cases must be being reported back to their home communities.

Yeah. We don't have anything that overt yet.

[giramomma]

9 Fraternities and sororities are now under quarantine for 2 weeks, by order of the county public health department.

[TheOtherMe]

Iowa State announced today that the Athletic Department is in financial distress.  (no surprise there).  

600wmtradio.iheart.com/content/2020-09-04-iowa-state-athletics-making-more-covid-19-budget-cuts/

Letter from Athletic Director Jamie Pollard

Last week we shared with the Board of Regents a financial summary that projected a budget deficit of approximately $17.5M. That report assumed we would have fans at football games. As a result of this week's decision, we are now projecting a $30M deficit. Unfortunately, the athletics department does not have the ability to absorb that level of deficit. Furthermore, any deficit that is temporarily funded by the university will need to be re-paid by the athletics department over time.



Here are several of the recommendations that we will be making to the university leadership team soon to begin addressing our significant financial challenge.



1. Layoffs and/or additional payroll reductions


2. Eliminating sports


3. Closing C.Y. Stephens' Auditorium

[TheOtherMe]

C. Y. Stephens is actually an arts complex, but they have not been able to host any shows.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I had to laugh at an article I read last night. 11 Northeastern students got expelled for breaking the university’s Covid rules. No reimbursement of tuition, but they will be allowed to reregister next year. They will not be allowed to even take their classes online.  $35k in tuition down the tube.

If this doesn’t get their attention, what will?

[giramomma]

Classes started on Wednesday.  92 positive cases today, on-campus, 45 off campus..So...almost 140 new cases, total.

I think I can count on one hand how many times my county has hit 140 new cases in one day. Since Feb 5. And we have a half mil population.

We'll see how long campus stays open.

[TheOtherMe]

People are betting on how long Iowa and Iowa State stay open with both the number of cases and the high positive rate.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Sept 3, 2020 11:18:52 GMT -5 haapai said:

I wonder how many college students will be moving back home this weekend or refusing to go back on Monday.

It’s got to be a tough call to send kids home. Do you keep them on campus and risk a huge outbreak and maybe enormous pressure on local health care resources or send them home to spread the virus far and wide?

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Sept 5, 2020 11:51:44 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I had to laugh at an article I read last night. 11 Northeastern students got expelled for breaking the university’s Covid rules. No reimbursement of tuition, but they will be allowed to reregister next year. They will not be allowed to even take their classes online.  $35k in tuition down the tube.

If this doesn’t get their attention, what will?

They were idiots. In order to reduce population density in the dorms, these kids were being housed in the luxurious Westin Copley Place. They were repeatedly warned not to congregate in a room and they did so anyway. The parents would have been better off to just burn the $35K in their backyard fire pit.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 5, 2020 16:49:59 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Sept 3, 2020 11:18:52 GMT -5 haapai said:

I wonder how many college students will be moving back home this weekend or refusing to go back on Monday.

It’s got to be a tough call to send kids home. Do you keep them on campus and risk a huge outbreak and maybe enormous pressure on local health care resources or send them home to spread the virus far and wide?

I think it is going to be balanced by if you have the space to segregate the positive population.  If the percent positive exceeds the college’s ability to keep them apart, it becomes a problem.

[haapai]

Sept 5, 2020 16:49:59 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Sept 3, 2020 11:18:52 GMT -5 haapai said:

I wonder how many college students will be moving back home this weekend or refusing to go back on Monday.

It’s got to be a tough call to send kids home. Do you keep them on campus and risk a huge outbreak and maybe enormous pressure on local health care resources or send them home to spread the virus far and wide?

I agree.  It will be an extremely tough call for the schools to make and they will delay doing so for as long as possible for both good and bad reasons.  The schools may claim that they are isolating exposed students, or attempt a lock-down, or attempt to pull off an orderly move-out of in-state students.  I don't think that any of these measures will contain the spread of the disease among students and that the eventual empty-out of campus is guaranteed to be a panicked and shambolic affair that disperses the virus far beyond campus. 

That's why I'm saying that smart students should leave now.  If they leave now, they can take their stuff, including all of the chargers for all of their devices and all of their textbooks.  If they leave now, they can arrange orderly two-car pickups instead of arranging to have someone pick them up in a grocery store parking lot while they are supposedly shopping for groceries.  If they leave now, while weakly claiming that their younger sibling needs help with virtual learning, they don't have to be a part of the chaos and tragedy of the campus emptying.  If they leave now, on their own accord, they can be orderly and sensible about it and mild weather helps when you are moving or isolating. 

[giramomma]

Off Campus students that are testing positive are being reported to public health. On campus students are not. I'm not sure why on-campus students are excluded..but it appears the real number of new cases in my county is 250 for today.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Sept 5, 2020 18:53:53 GMT -5 haapai said:

Sept 5, 2020 16:49:59 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

It’s got to be a tough call to send kids home. Do you keep them on campus and risk a huge outbreak and maybe enormous pressure on local health care resources or send them home to spread the virus far and wide?

I agree.  It will be an extremely tough call for the schools to make and they will delay doing so for as long as possible for both good and bad reasons.  The schools may claim that they are isolating exposed students, or attempt a lock-down, or attempt to pull off an orderly move-out of in-state students.  I don't think that any of these measures will contain the spread of the disease among students and that the eventual empty-out of campus is guaranteed to be a panicked and shambolic affair that disperses the virus far beyond campus. 

That's why I'm saying that smart students should leave now.  If they leave now, they can take their stuff, including all of the chargers for all of their devices and all of their textbooks.  If they leave now, they can arrange orderly two-car pickups instead of arranging to have someone pick them up in a grocery store parking lot while they are supposedly shopping for groceries.  If they leave now, while weakly claiming that their younger sibling needs help with virtual learning, they don't have to be a part of the chaos and tragedy of the campus emptying.  If they leave now, on their own accord, they can be orderly and sensible about it and mild weather helps when you are moving or isolating. 

I totally agree. Yesterday, the Friday of the long Labor Day Weekend, at 4:30 p.m., Gettysburg College ordered everyone but freshmen and international students out of the dorms by the end of the weekend.

I’m sure move-out is going well and the virus won’t be an issue in these sudden travels. Not. 🙄

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

And absolutely nobody thought that this would happen.

/s

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One of the Administration's advisors, I think the radiologist-wannabe-immunologist, was on TV the other day saying that others exposed/infected by asymptomatic students from colleges and other schools was helping to promote herd immunity. I believe he called it "icing on the cake".

Schools were opened for Trump's agenda not safety. And, it's amazing just how many people are willing to put their lives and their childrens' lives in danger for that asshole's re-election. Completely amazing.

This scenario was 100000000% predictable. 

[giramomma]

Well, I give it two more weeks before they send everyone home. The chancellor has essentially asked undergrads to shelter in place for two weeks to flatten the curve. We've had almost 900 cases since July 28/beginning of August.

[TheOtherMe]

The people who are tracking numbers in Iowa can't tell if the number of cases for the students at Iowa and Iowa State are being included in the daily report.  

The numbers reported in the newspaper for each school are much higher than what is showing up on the state's dashboard.  

[bean29]

My daughter’s Econ professor insisted before the semester started that for a 300/400 level course students need to be physically in class unless they know subject matter very well and have high level math skills. Now the professor is sending messages looking for volunteers to be virtual because they cant maintain social distance in classroom with # students who chose in person learning. DD says professor should ask for a larger classroom, only 30 in class to begin with.

[wvugurl26]

My DH said our alma mater is going completely online for 2 weeks. The K-12 kids are starting virtual. They are blaming the college but locals were the problem earlier this summer when college kids were gone.

Bars are supposed to be closed but some are still open. An acquaintance posted tonight on Facebook they were one place for dinner and another for a nightcap.

[thyme4change]

I'm confused as to what is happening. Talking to one set of parents, their son is home because this state university is online. But, talking to another friend, their daughter moved onto that campus and is going to classes. They are both Freshmen.

I'm not researching it, because it doesn't much matter. I will really care come spring when my DD has to make some decisions, but for now - this whole thing seems like a real mess.