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Post by thyme4change on Apr 16, 2020 12:02:05 GMT -5
They say they have seen no statistical difference in transmission in warm weather climates and cold weather climates, but my source is not quotable, so maybe they are wrong or just don't have enough info yet to really know.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 16, 2020 12:07:11 GMT -5
They say they have seen no statistical difference in transmission in warm weather climates and cold weather climates, but my source is not quotable, so maybe they are wrong or just don't have enough info yet to really know. Just another example of a smart person who thinks their expertise expands beyond where it really is.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 16, 2020 12:52:57 GMT -5
They say they have seen no statistical difference in transmission in warm weather climates and cold weather climates, but my source is not quotable, so maybe they are wrong or just don't have enough info yet to really know. Just another example of a smart person who thinks their expertise expands beyond where it really is. Who? Me? Or my source?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 16, 2020 13:16:00 GMT -5
Just another example of a smart person who thinks their expertise expands beyond where it really is. Who? Me? Or my source? Sorry, no, the person I quoted initially
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 16, 2020 21:31:38 GMT -5
They say they have seen no statistical difference in transmission in warm weather climates and cold weather climates, but my source is not quotable, so maybe they are wrong or just don't have enough info yet to really know. I've heard experts just the opposite, but that was a while ago. And since many places don't have widespread testing, I take it all with a grain of salt. It's also quite possible that the weather doesn't affect the transmission rates, but changes the ratio of asymptomatic carriers. We just don't know.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 7:27:48 GMT -5
I try not to personally make many proclamations about this disease for just that reason. We just don't know so much about this virus- even and including the experts. I do believe a lot of the blather on social media is actually wrong and harmful (witness Trump's cure-all drug that can kill cardiomyopathy patients) and try not to add to it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 17, 2020 10:05:20 GMT -5
I try not to personally make many proclamations about this disease for just that reason. We just don't know so much about this virus- even and including the experts. I do believe a lot of the blather on social media is actually wrong and harmful (witness Trump's cure-all drug that can kill cardiomyopathy patients) and try not to add to it. We are seeing all kinds of new and interesting disease processes with this, many of which we do not understand. yet all these armchair analysts are sure they know what is going on. Again, we need to prepare for a worst cast scenario, do what we can to prevent it, and hope for the best. But, as republicans were so fond of pointing out, hope is not a plan. Well, where is the federal governments plan for the worst case scenario. From my perspective it was nonexistent. And I am currently sitting in the ICU with multiple people with this who have a high risk of dying.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 17, 2020 10:19:12 GMT -5
They say they have seen no statistical difference in transmission in warm weather climates and cold weather climates, but my source is not quotable, so maybe they are wrong or just don't have enough info yet to really know. I've heard experts just the opposite, but that was a while ago. And since many places don't have widespread testing, I take it all with a grain of salt. It's also quite possible that the weather doesn't affect the transmission rates, but changes the ratio of asymptomatic carriers. We just don't know. I can't even remember where I heard it. My source is suspect at best. When I google, I get mealy answers. The answer seems to be "maybe, but don't count on it." So irritating that the world isn't just black and white and we know everything and shit. Sheesh. 😝
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Post by Tiny on Apr 17, 2020 10:45:22 GMT -5
I try not to personally make many proclamations about this disease for just that reason. We just don't know so much about this virus- even and including the experts. I do believe a lot of the blather on social media is actually wrong and harmful (witness Trump's cure-all drug that can kill cardiomyopathy patients) and try not to add to it. We are seeing all kinds of new and interesting disease processes with this, many of which we do not understand. yet all these armchair analysts are sure they know what is going on. Again, we need to prepare for a worst cast scenario, do what we can to prevent it, and hope for the best. But, as republicans were so fond of pointing out, hope is not a plan. Well, where is the federal governments plan for the worst case scenario. From my perspective it was nonexistent. And I am currently sitting in the ICU with multiple people with this who have a high risk of dying. Let's not overlook that NOT having a plan (or taking an action) is a choice. And, unfortunately it's often a choice that's made willfully and knowingly because it's often times deemed easier to 'accept' or 'deal' with the consequences because one can make the arguments "there wasn't anything they could do" or "they did the best they could" or my personal favorite if you do nothing then: "it wasn't my fault those bad things happened". Doing the right thing, helping others, working towards the 'greater good' of the whole (even at personal expense) isn't really the American Way these days. Even though doing the right thing, helping other, working towards the 'greater good' often has spill over benefits that benefit the doers (or their loved ones).
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 11:01:52 GMT -5
We are seeing all kinds of new and interesting disease processes with this, many of which we do not understand. yet all these armchair analysts are sure they know what is going on. Again, we need to prepare for a worst cast scenario, do what we can to prevent it, and hope for the best. But, as republicans were so fond of pointing out, hope is not a plan. Well, where is the federal governments plan for the worst case scenario. From my perspective it was nonexistent. And I am currently sitting in the ICU with multiple people with this who have a high risk of dying. Let's not overlook that NOT having a plan (or taking an action) is a choice. And, unfortunately it's often a choice that's made willfully and knowingly because it's often times deemed easier to 'accept' or 'deal' with the consequences because one can make the arguments "there wasn't anything they could do" or "they did the best they could" or my personal favorite if you do nothing then: "it wasn't my fault those bad things happened". Doing the right thing, helping others, working towards the 'greater good' of the whole (even at personal expense) isn't really the American Way these days. Even though doing the right thing, helping other, working towards the 'greater good' often has spill over benefits that benefit the doers (or their loved ones). I even hate to admit it, but I believe that our beloved United States is in a very bad place right now, and not just because of this pandemic. We have been on a downhill slide morally for quite some time now (and I'm not talking about free love or gay rights). It is not love they neighbor so much as screw they neighbor, buy a gun and shoot the bastid. We have always been a balance of good and bad, like all humans, and for a long time it seems that greed, sloth, averice, cripes most of the seven deadly sins, have been gaining the upper hand in large swathes of our society. Seeing a Nazi and a Confederate flag side by each at a rally in Michigan yesterday just illustrates that perfectly to me. We have gone off the rails. I'm not being religious here, just observing our human condition, which I think right now needs some improving. You know, good old American back bone!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 17, 2020 11:02:20 GMT -5
We are seeing all kinds of new and interesting disease processes with this, many of which we do not understand. yet all these armchair analysts are sure they know what is going on. Again, we need to prepare for a worst cast scenario, do what we can to prevent it, and hope for the best. But, as republicans were so fond of pointing out, hope is not a plan. Well, where is the federal governments plan for the worst case scenario. From my perspective it was nonexistent. And I am currently sitting in the ICU with multiple people with this who have a high risk of dying. Let's not overlook that NOT having a plan (or taking an action) is a choice. And, unfortunately it's often a choice that's made willfully and knowingly because it's often times deemed easier to 'accept' or 'deal' with the consequences because one can make the arguments "there wasn't anything they could do" or "they did the best they could" or my personal favorite if you do nothing then: "it wasn't my fault those bad things happened". Doing the right thing, helping others, working towards the 'greater good' of the whole (even at personal expense) isn't really the American Way these days. Even though doing the right thing, helping other, working towards the 'greater good' often has spill over benefits that benefit the doers (or their loved ones). Agree 100%. What is even sadder, for a supposed Christian nation, how often our treatment of others does not follow the teachings of the bible. Our desire to sacrifice for others and think of the fture has somehow evaporated. Not sure how we get it back
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Post by dondub on Apr 17, 2020 11:58:14 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 17, 2020 12:01:53 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Having a tough day at work, and maybe it carried over to my comment. But we sure aren't coming together over this crisis either
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 17, 2020 12:12:55 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. I wonder if you were able to rate all the actions done in the name if Christ, positive points for good outcomes and negative points for bad outcomes, and to scale - would Christianity have a net negative or net positive on the human race.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 12:14:28 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. Yes it is dondub. You may have missed my lawyerly point about "always been a balance of good and evil". The evil point was referring to the subject of your point. However I think you need to qualify that a bit too. Genocide against the indigenous was a pan-European thing when our forebears set up shop, and a more of "civilization". Our sainted founding fathers were merely echoing the norms of their day. Granted, as feather capped dandies from the colonies they were behind their British brethren in outlawing domestic slavery, but the British certainly enjoyed its trade, even as they disallowed it at home. In other words, it served the economic good, just as it did here. Evil? yes. Qualified by its times? somewhat. What I am missing seeing so much now is an American spirit of can do community that pulls together and gets things done when needed. Hoover Dam, Liberty Ships and River Rouge. Victory Gardens. A work ethic. A moral code. Perhaps a man only worked hard in 1920 because his option was starvation? I don't know, but I know I was taught to work hard for a dollar, it wasn't owed to me. And worse than shirking work duties was trying to flim flam that dollar. No we have a CinC who is a flim-flam man. Some of this may be rose colored glasses Don, I admit, but not all of it. Not by any means.
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Post by dondub on Apr 17, 2020 12:15:54 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Having a tough day at work, and maybe it carried over to my comment. But we sure aren't coming together over this crisis either Something about that Political History of Pre-Revolutionary War America 495 class I took one summer quarter for fun that just stuck with me. Taken during the ‘Nam era where my student deferment and high lottery number kept me safe from the nefarious hands of our psychopathic warmongers. Throw in some 1968 Demo convention on tv, the civil rights movements getting hosed, beaten, and bit, some assassinations, etc. and there you have it...the Petri dish of an American dissident. Now we have a despicable cretin as Boss Hogg, folks that want to strip others right to vote, allegedly reasonable people planning to vote for Trump so they can kill the ACA and numerous Americans along with it. Don’t forget tax cuts for those that don’t need them while Christians on the right clamor for SNAP cuts and ‘modifications’ to govt. spending that will impact SS and Medicare. MAGA.🤮
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 17, 2020 12:20:09 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. Yes it is dondub. You may have missed my lawyerly point about "always been a balance of good and evil". The evil point was referring to the subject of your point. However I think you need to qualify that a bit too. Genocide against the indigenous was a pan-European thing when our forebears set up shop, and a more of "civilization". Our sainted founding fathers were merely echoing the norms of their day. Granted, as feather capped dandies from the colonies they were behind their British brethren in outlawing domestic slavery, but the British certainly enjoyed its trade, even as they disallowed it at home. In other words, it served the economic good, just as it did here. Evil? yes. Qualified by its times? somewhat. What I am missing seeing so much now is an American spirit of can do community that pulls together and gets things done when needed. Hoover Dam, Liberty Ships and River Rouge. Victory Gardens. A work ethic. A moral code. Perhaps a man only worked hard in 1920 because his option was starvation? I don't know, but I know I was taught to work hard for a dollar, it wasn't owed to me. And worse than shirking work duties was trying to flim flam that dollar. No we have a CinC who is a flim-flam man. Some of this may be rose colored glasses Don, I admit, but not all of it. Not by any means. The big question is whose moral code?
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 12:21:05 GMT -5
Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Having a tough day at work, and maybe it carried over to my comment. But we sure aren't coming together over this crisis either Something about that Political History of Pre-Revolutionary War America 495 class I took one summer quarter for fun that just stuck with me. Taken during the ‘Nam era where my student deferment and high lottery number kept me safe from the nefarious hands of our psychopathic warmongers. Throw in some 1968 Demo convention on tv, the civil rights movements getting hosed, beaten, and bit, some assassinations, etc. and there you have it...the Petri dish of an American dissident. Now we have a despicable cretin as Boss Hogg, folks that want to strip others right to vote, allegedly reasonable people planning to vote for Trump so they can kill the ACA and numerous Americans along with it. Don’t forget tax cuts for those that don’t need them while Christians on the right clamor for SNAP cuts and ‘modifications’ to govt. spending that will impact SS and Medicare. MAGA.🤮 Christ if you were cuter I'd hug you.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 12:21:44 GMT -5
Yes it is dondub. You may have missed my lawyerly point about "always been a balance of good and evil". The evil point was referring to the subject of your point. However I think you need to qualify that a bit too. Genocide against the indigenous was a pan-European thing when our forebears set up shop, and a more of "civilization". Our sainted founding fathers were merely echoing the norms of their day. Granted, as feather capped dandies from the colonies they were behind their British brethren in outlawing domestic slavery, but the British certainly enjoyed its trade, even as they disallowed it at home. In other words, it served the economic good, just as it did here. Evil? yes. Qualified by its times? somewhat. What I am missing seeing so much now is an American spirit of can do community that pulls together and gets things done when needed. Hoover Dam, Liberty Ships and River Rouge. Victory Gardens. A work ethic. A moral code. Perhaps a man only worked hard in 1920 because his option was starvation? I don't know, but I know I was taught to work hard for a dollar, it wasn't owed to me. And worse than shirking work duties was trying to flim flam that dollar. No we have a CinC who is a flim-flam man. Some of this may be rose colored glasses Don, I admit, but not all of it. Not by any means. The big question is whose moral code? Indeed tenn, indeed. In this case, MINE.
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Post by dondub on Apr 17, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5
The govt. is the problem and not the solution mentality of the Reaganauts has turned us all into islands. The collective American spirit has been broken by ‘rugged individualism’. We’ll support the uber wealthy getting massive tax breaks because it’s ‘their money’ but will allow millions of children to be food insecure because not to is ‘our money’. And on and on.
The sun is shining and it looks like a beautiful day for a drive in the country. Shall we?
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Post by dondub on Apr 17, 2020 12:28:45 GMT -5
Something about that Political History of Pre-Revolutionary War America 495 class I took one summer quarter for fun that just stuck with me. Taken during the ‘Nam era where my student deferment and high lottery number kept me safe from the nefarious hands of our psychopathic warmongers. Throw in some 1968 Demo convention on tv, the civil rights movements getting hosed, beaten, and bit, some assassinations, etc. and there you have it...the Petri dish of an American dissident. Now we have a despicable cretin as Boss Hogg, folks that want to strip others right to vote, allegedly reasonable people planning to vote for Trump so they can kill the ACA and numerous Americans along with it. Don’t forget tax cuts for those that don’t need them while Christians on the right clamor for SNAP cuts and ‘modifications’ to govt. spending that will impact SS and Medicare. MAGA.🤮 Christ if you were cuter I'd hug you. 67 and handsome is a long way from cute.😎
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 17, 2020 12:42:49 GMT -5
Ummm, fellas? American history is rife with immorality, “Christians”, greed etc. slavery, genocide against the indigenous, stupid wars that make hundreds of billions for the right people, Jim Crow, state prison culture and on and on. Some ‘Christian’ nation we turned out to be. And it’s been that way since the beginning. Our sainted founding fathers were slave owning, racist, misogynists. that's true, but until around 1973, we at least seemed to be TRYING to right the wrongs.
now we are wronging the rights, and at an alarming pace.
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Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Having a tough day at work, and maybe it carried over to my comment. But we sure aren't coming together over this crisis either Something about that Political History of Pre-Revolutionary War America 495 class I took one summer quarter for fun that just stuck with me. Taken during the ‘Nam era where my student deferment and high lottery number kept me safe from the nefarious hands of our psychopathic warmongers. Throw in some 1968 Demo convention on tv, the civil rights movements getting hosed, beaten, and bit, some assassinations, etc. and there you have it...the Petri dish of an American dissident. Now we have a despicable cretin as Boss Hogg, folks that want to strip others right to vote, allegedly reasonable people planning to vote for Trump so they can kill the ACA and numerous Americans along with it. Don’t forget tax cuts for those that don’t need them while Christians on the right clamor for SNAP cuts and ‘modifications’ to govt. spending that will impact SS and Medicare. MAGA.🤮 You are not helping my mood, LOL
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 17, 2020 13:43:25 GMT -5
I know, right? outrageous. scandalous. fake news.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 17, 2020 13:52:50 GMT -5
I know, right? outrageous. scandalous. fake news. Almost like science and math know something and work
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 17, 2020 14:59:40 GMT -5
I know, right? outrageous. scandalous. fake news. Almost like science and math know something and work No way. The Chinese labs are targeting Republican governors!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 17, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -5
If we're going to make Nebraska and Iowa stay at home then the definition of "essential" needs to be tighter. Every business here in Omaha is six degrees separated from agriculture and thus "part of the supply/food chain" which means they got special clearance from the government to stay open. I got a letter in my purse and everything. Whoop de doo you shut down the hair salons, what about all the other businesses that got themselves deemed "essential"? So frustrating. I work for one of those "essential" services. Out of 150 people only 20 are able to work from home. The rest of us are here. I know we're not the only company operating this way in the area.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 17, 2020 15:17:51 GMT -5
Almost like science and math know something and work No way. The Chinese labs are targeting Republican governors! They did actually target their revenge tariffs to hurt states with Republican Senators. But, that is just politics.
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