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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 10, 2020 18:40:35 GMT -5
For phase 1, and that is if something stupid does not occur over Easter or Mother's Day. How bad phase 2 is depends on numerous factors, which I know you know. But the number of deaths will continue to rise, even if things are not so bad with this round the second phase of the Spanish Flu was much worse than the first, because it was there at the BEGINNING of the flu season, not the end. the same will be true this year, if we lose our vigilance. it is also hypothesized that it mutated and became more deadly.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 10, 2020 18:49:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here. I don't think those northern countries get hoards of tourists in the dead of winter or have tons of people going back and fourth from China like we do. By the time we found out that the Chinese and WHO were lying about the coronavirus, it was already here.
Yes, Trump said stupid things over a month ago, but it's interesting that people who aren't Trump who said and did stupid things aren't being held to the same standard. The WHO was saying that coronavirus can't be transmitted between people long after the virus started circulating. Political leaders in New York were encouraging people to go to crowded public events. These guys even implied that you were racist if you didn't want to go to some of these events. And they were doing this after my flyover country red state had been locked down. Considering how uniquely vulnerable New York City is, they should have been the first place to lock down. The important thing is that Trump did change course. He did the travel ban and initiated the lockdown. He did not lift it on Easter like he was thinking of weeks ago. The guy talks about a lot of things he doesn't end up doing. We're not used to politicians giving their unvarnished opinions on things.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 10, 2020 18:56:24 GMT -5
Before anyone starts declaring it over & the death count final, keep in mind is hasn't run the heartland yet. There's fewer hospitals, access to ventilators & an older population. Just because there's a curve in NY doesn't mean it's over for the rest of the country. This is one reason why Trump didn't want to give every single ventilator in the national stockpile to New York, where they would sit in warehouses. And he got a lot of flack for it. My state has disproportionately high testing, and a low death rate so far. But a month ago, when we went into lockdown, there were very few cases, and this disease takes at least a month to run it's course. At this point, it's hard to say whether or not we would be spared.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 10, 2020 19:00:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here. I don't think those northern countries get hoards of tourists in the dead of winter or have tons of people going back and fourth from China like we do. By the time we found out that the Chinese and WHO were lying about the coronavirus, it was already here. Yes, Trump said stupid things over a month ago, but it's interesting that people who aren't Trump who said and did stupid things aren't being held to the same standard. The WHO was saying that coronavirus can't be transmitted between people long after the virus started circulating. Political leaders in New York were encouraging people to go to crowded public events. These guys even implied that you were racist if you didn't want to go to some of these events. And they were doing this after my flyover country red state had been locked down. Considering how uniquely vulnerable New York is, they should have been the first place to lock down. The important thing is that Trump did change course. He did the travel ban and initiated the lockdown. He did not lift it on Easter like he was thinking of weeks ago. He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 19:21:30 GMT -5
How Trump turned ventilators into a form of patronageA seemingly innocuous tweet President Donald Trump posted about Colorado receiving ventilators from the government actually raises troubling questions about the extent to which the president is using lifesaving medical equipment as a form of political patronage. On Wednesday Trump announced that he was sending 100 ventilators to Colorado — a development he credited to a request from a Republican senator facing an uphill reelection campaign this year, Cory Gardner. That tweet might look unproblematic, and perhaps even praiseworthy on its face. Colorado is one of many states asking for more lifesaving supplies in the middle of a global pandemic. But recent reports have suggested Trump has been playing politics with the allocation of medical supplies. CNN broke news last Friday that the federal government swooped in and blew up a deal that Colorado’s state government, led by Democratic Gov. Jared Polis, made with a private company to acquire 500 ventilators. FEMA, instead, seized the ventilators for itself, leaving Colorado high and dry. “A congressional source told CNN that many of the orders Colorado places for supplies, including an order for 500 ventilators, has been canceled, because the items are being bought by FEMA,” CNN reported. Polis subsequently confirmed the report during a CNN appearance in which he criticized the move, saying of the federal government, “either you’re buying them and you’re providing them to states and you’re letting us know what we’re going to get and when we’re going to get them. Or you stay out, and let us buy them.” Complete article here: How Trump turned ventilators into a form of patronage
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 19:29:53 GMT -5
Cory Gardner and President Trump praise each other at Colorado Springs rally“Cory was with us all the way,” Trump says of Colorado Republican U.S. Sen. Cory Gardner received praise and an adamant endorsement Thursday (February 20, 2020) from President Donald Trump, who said the Republican senator from Yuma has been unwavering in his loyalty and support. “You are going to help us get Cory Gardner across that line because he’s been with us 100%,” Trump told a boisterous crowd of supporters in Colorado Springs, referring to Gardner’s re-election in November. “There was no waver. He’s been with us. There was no waver with Cory and we appreciate that.” Gardner, who voted this month to acquit Trump and prevent witnesses in the Senate’s trial, has his “total support and endorsement,” the president said. “We went through hoaxes, we went through the impeachment scam. And by the way, Cory was with us all the way,” Trump said. “He didn’t move, he didn’t budge. He said it’s a lot of bull. He said it’s a lot of bull.” Complete article here: Cory Gardner and President Trump praise each other at Colorado Springs rally
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 10, 2020 20:18:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here....; It might not be working there either. As of April 9, Sweden’s rate per capita of confirmed deaths from the coronavirus is higher than the rate of its fellow Scandinavian countries or the US. Hospitals are overcrowded and staff members are overworked, and the military has begun setting up field hospitals in major cities, including Stockholm, the country’s capital and the epicenter of its outbreak. The government is now seeking extraordinary powers to impose further restrictions. Sweden’s government has tried a risky coronavirus strategy. It could backfire.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 10, 2020 20:51:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here. I don't think those northern countries get hoards of tourists in the dead of winter or have tons of people going back and fourth from China like we do. By the time we found out that the Chinese and WHO were lying about the coronavirus, it was already here. Yes, Trump said stupid things over a month ago, but it's interesting that people who aren't Trump who said and did stupid things aren't being held to the same standard. The WHO was saying that coronavirus can't be transmitted between people long after the virus started circulating. Political leaders in New York were encouraging people to go to crowded public events. These guys even implied that you were racist if you didn't want to go to some of these events. And they were doing this after my flyover country red state had been locked down. Considering how uniquely vulnerable New York is, they should have been the first place to lock down. The important thing is that Trump did change course. He did the travel ban and initiated the lockdown. He did not lift it on Easter like he was thinking of weeks ago. He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. What would it take for the federal government to force all the states to do a lockdown? We live in a country that has this concept of state's rights. The recommendations were put into place in the middle of March. My state chose to lock down, while DeBlasio was telling New Yorkers to go to the St Patrick's day parade.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 21:01:49 GMT -5
He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. What would it take for the federal government to force all the states to do a lockdown? We live in a country that has this concept of state's rights. The recommendations were put into place in the middle of March. My state chose to lock down, while DeBlasio was telling New Yorkers to go to the St Patrick's day parade. By Wednesday,March 11, DeBlasio expressed concerned about the virus affecting parade goers and Cuomo then postponed/cancelled the parade. St. Patrick’s Day Parade Is Postponed in New York Over Coronavirus ConcernsThis is also about the same time trump finally got serious about the virus.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 10, 2020 21:27:50 GMT -5
He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. What would it take for the federal government to force all the states to do a lockdown? We live in a country that has this concept of state's rights. The recommendations were put into place in the middle of March. My state chose to lock down, while DeBlasio was telling New Yorkers to go to the St Patrick's day parade. Actually taking responsibility, instead of saying he would leave it up to the states. He needed to be consistent and forceful. He has a bully pulpit and has no problem using it when he has a grievance. If he got on TC and made that point daily, do you not think he would have made it impossible not to lock down. He has abdicated the leadership position, and is still not consistent with his messaging
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 21:39:11 GMT -5
Is it any wonder the states with no stay at home directive have Republican governors? trump' motto: 'Don't piss off your supporters.'
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Post by justme on Apr 10, 2020 21:47:20 GMT -5
Is it any wonder the states with no stay at home directive have Republican governors? trump' motto: 'Don't piss off your supporters.' Nope. I was surprised when Florida did it. But we're a swing state so he had a decent amount of in state influence on the other side. All the highly populated counties were already shut down when he did it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 21:55:49 GMT -5
Is it any wonder the states with no stay at home directive have Republican governors? trump' motto: 'Don't piss off your supporters.' Nope. I was surprised when Florida did it. But we're a swing state so he had a decent amount of in state influence on the other side. All the highly populated counties were already shut down when he did it. Did I hear today your governor is thinking of opening back up the schools soon?
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Apr 10, 2020 21:57:14 GMT -5
I would also be looking at how rural and isolated some of the nonstay home directive states are. ND is shut down most of the winter so it's easy to just stay in. They did shut down the schools, sport events and most public gathering places as well as gyms. They might not have needed a directive but took it upon themselves to follow what other states are doing with social distancing and safe practices.
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Post by justme on Apr 10, 2020 22:03:05 GMT -5
Nope. I was surprised when Florida did it. But we're a swing state so he had a decent amount of in state influence on the other side. All the highly populated counties were already shut down when he did it. Did I hear today your governor is thinking of opening back up the schools soon? Only because no one under 25 has died 🙄 He'll have to walk that one back.
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 11, 2020 7:47:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here. I don't think those northern countries get hoards of tourists in the dead of winter or have tons of people going back and fourth from China like we do. By the time we found out that the Chinese and WHO were lying about the coronavirus, it was already here. Yes, Trump said stupid things over a month ago, but it's interesting that people who aren't Trump who said and did stupid things aren't being held to the same standard. The WHO was saying that coronavirus can't be transmitted between people long after the virus started circulating. Political leaders in New York were encouraging people to go to crowded public events. These guys even implied that you were racist if you didn't want to go to some of these events. And they were doing this after my flyover country red state had been locked down. Considering how uniquely vulnerable New York is, they should have been the first place to lock down. The important thing is that Trump did change course. He did the travel ban and initiated the lockdown. He did not lift it on Easter like he was thinking of weeks ago. He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. Exactly. I asked multiple times on this thread what leadership Trump had existed, no coherent response. On this board, I have noticed that Trump supporters make statements but don't back them up (I haven't seen Paul comment in a while); non-Trump supporters do. How do Republicans expect to increase their base by November if their party members can't identify their leader's leadership actions?
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 11, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -5
He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. Exactly. I asked multiple times on this thread what leadership Trump had existed, no coherent response. On this board, I have noticed that Trump supporters make statements but don't back them up (I haven't seen Paul comment in a while); non-Trump supporters do. How do Republicans expect to increase their base by November if their party members can't identify their leader's leadership actions? You'd have to go to the conservativetreehouse website! He is still busy obtaining info to perp walk Hillary, President Obama and all locked up!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 9:08:47 GMT -5
Democrats using a novel virus as an election platform, isn't a new low for them. so pointing out trump's failures is low? Your a little bit too simple on your response. (Just realized this thread is in politics, not current events, bye bye.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5
I am not the topic of this thread -- Dr. Fauci is. If you can't defend him and have to create a diversion by attacking me, just admit it and move on. Does this not reek of Shooby to anyone? Maybe ? But I'll give you one guess who pulmanarymd is. Right down to the misspelling in posts when cornered...
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 11, 2020 9:44:34 GMT -5
Does this not reek of Shooby to anyone? Maybe ? But I'll give you one guess who pulmanarymd is. Right down to the misspelling in posts when cornered... I have absolutely no idea.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 11, 2020 9:46:23 GMT -5
Does this not reek of Shooby to anyone? Maybe ? But I'll give you one guess who pulmanarymd is. Right down to the misspelling in posts when cornered... You have no idea who I am. Never posted before 2 months ago. But go ahead and tell me I am wronf
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 9:49:26 GMT -5
Maybe ? But I'll give you one guess who pulmanarymd is. Right down to the misspelling in posts when cornered... I have absolutely no idea. That's fine, it's really, really not important. You can narrow down to one person by their syntax. Communication patterns, hard to cover up. Takes tremendous continual effort, and slip ups will happen. Just one posting habit can be seen from many, then you go to two, then 10, then many more. After only a few hundred posts, you only have one person who has all the traits you remember, subjects of interest/responses to equal the traits. I have nearly an eidetic memory so it's easy for me. Like a 'hobby' of sorts, especially when that person has singled me out, with other certain posters (a trait) while presenting all the other same traits. I just like to throw one of the traits out there once in a while, when someone brings the subject up, to keep that person working hard at it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 11, 2020 9:52:43 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea. That's fine, it's really, really not important. Then why even post it? BTW, the misspellings are a combination of old eyes, big fingers, an iPhone with autocorrect, and lack of proofreading. I am embarrassed by them. I will attempt to do better
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 11, 2020 10:26:07 GMT -5
You know, I'm really getting tired of people assuming that just because there are similarities, one person is actually another. There are a hell of a lot of people around and it would be very easy for more than one person to behave similarly. That doesn't mean they *are* someone else and all you're doing it's stirring up unnecessary - not to mention irrelevant - shit. So how about y'all cut it out?
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Post by Opti on Apr 11, 2020 10:55:52 GMT -5
Spoken just like a true Trump asslicker. That idiot doesn't know a fucking thing other than how to how to screw people over so he can increase his own wealth. The butthurt sore-loser Democrats who can't accept the election results have thrown everything including a few kitchen sinks at Trump and have failed to 'get him'. Now they think this virus will do it. Trump's leadership during this pandemic is going to guarantee his re-election. I'm looking forward to more Democrat wailing on Election Day when Trump gets re-elected. LOL Only a true Trump believer can believe things that should be unbelievable. The election happened; get over it. Not liking a President has nothing to do with accepting election results. Thanks for sharing Trump's delusions. The virus is not about Trump, in fact most things aren't about Trump. If he handles things badly that's on him. Part of politics is taking advantage of unforced errors. Nothing new in this. Will Trump's lack of seriousness about the virus in the early stages be his undoing? Too early to tell.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 11, 2020 21:06:49 GMT -5
He is still not consistent, he has not provided the national leadership needed, and he has not truly prepared the country for the pain. He did not lock down the country, 8 states still don’t have stay at home orders. The outbreak in nyc originated in Europe. And most importantly, he had told states to deal with shortages on their own, requiring each to bid against each other. And if you are a governor who is not appreciative enough, he insults you. I am unimpressed with his leadership. Exactly. I asked multiple times on this thread what leadership Trump had existed, no coherent response. On this board, I have noticed that Trump supporters make statements but don't back them up (I haven't seen Paul comment in a while); non-Trump supporters do. How do Republicans expect to increase their base by November if their party members can't identify their leader's leadership actions? He has supporters like my SIL, who was explaining to my DH just today how brilliant Trump is. The question will be how many independents he can persuade to vote for him, too, because the Kool aid drinkers are not a big enough voting block to elect him on their own.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2020 23:55:11 GMT -5
I am just basing it on a "preponderance of evidence". it is not certain that we will have this outcome, but it is all but certain. the distancing and shelter in place operations are working. so long as they stay in place, there is no way we will hit those numbers.
if we remove those provisions before we see a vaccine, all bets are off.
yes - then we agree. I haven't heard much on the vaccine angle lately. Not sure where they are on that or actually developing something feasible soon. me neither. I hear they are developing TREATMENTS, and that's nice. but it won't keep people from getting sick, and potentially overwhelming our rather weak HC infrastructure.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 12, 2020 23:58:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure what worked in Sweden will work here. I don't think those northern countries get hoards of tourists in the dead of winter or have tons of people going back and fourth from China like we do. By the time we found out that the Chinese and WHO were lying about the coronavirus, it was already here. huh? wtf?
www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19
the WHO response seemed absolutely appropriate to me.
I don't understand why you are throwing them under the bus right now.
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