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Post by dondub on Apr 14, 2020 13:29:16 GMT -5
It had already stopped. The point I was discussing with you was your attempt at a straw mans fallacy. My point was not "similarity", nor is it "speculation", as you are claiming in yet another attempt at a straw mans fallacy in this post. Changing what I said, to what you are limited to understanding, is expected from you. It's one of your communication traits. It would take a statistician/mathematician to understand the process. I care nothing about multinicking, nor did I complain to admin about it, that's your concern. The problem with smart people is they believe that their expertise extends past its real limits. Frequent problem with physicians. Your speculation is just that, speculation, you have no real way of proving whatever point you wish to make. I do not care about your claims about your memory and ability. And you still refuse to answer my question, if your speculation did not matter, why did you drag me into your debate in the first place? Narcissism.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 14, 2020 13:39:22 GMT -5
It had already stopped. The point I was discussing with you was your attempt at a straw mans fallacy. My point was not "similarity", nor is it "speculation", as you are claiming in yet another attempt at a straw mans fallacy in this post. Changing what I said, to what you are limited to understanding, is expected from you. It's one of your communication traits. It would take a statistician/mathematician to understand the process. I care nothing about multinicking, nor did I complain to admin about it, that's your concern. The problem with smart people is they believe that their expertise extends past its real limits. Frequent problem with physicians. Your speculation is just that, speculation, you have no real way of proving whatever point you wish to make. I do not care about your claims about your memory and ability. And you still refuse to answer my question, if your speculation did not matter, why did you drag me into your debate in the first place? The problem with smart people dumb presidents is they believe that their expertise extends past its real limits. **fixed**
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2020 8:02:45 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 15, 2020 8:06:12 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse? according to this: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries24 deaths/million in Canada vs 79 deaths/million US - so we have over 3x times the deaths/million. I would argue that is better controlled than the US.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2020 10:00:25 GMT -5
it's not hard to do better than the US.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 15, 2020 10:02:59 GMT -5
The US has something like 4% of the world's population. And 25% of COVID cases.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2020 10:31:32 GMT -5
The US has something like 4% of the world's population. And 2530% of COVID cases. fixed it for you.
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Post by mollyc on Apr 15, 2020 10:36:19 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse? Weltz is from Montreal which is significantly more densely populated then the Dakotas. There is both an international airport and a major domestic hub airport within its area. I am from a part of BC that fits your description. As of yesterday, we had 28 cases. 21 of which are recovered. Yesterday, 3 people were in hospital with 1 in critical care. No one has died yet. A disproportionate numbers of the deaths across Canada are due to outbreaks in care homes The first 8 cases were all related to travel out of Canada. Some of the others are related to the Dental convention in Vancouver in March. People have largely been good about self isolating when returning from vacations out of country and out of province. Even the dental offices like my relative's who sent noone to the convention self isolated for 2 weeks.
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Post by swamp on Apr 15, 2020 10:37:28 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?Have you ever been to Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa, Toronto, or Montreal? Not very sparsely populated. That's where most of the cases are concentrated.
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Post by mollyc on Apr 15, 2020 10:39:19 GMT -5
BC's CDC is headed by Dr Bonnie Henry. She was involved with the response to SARS and H1N1 in Toronto. I believe she was in charge but I can't confirm easily on my phone.
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Post by mollyc on Apr 15, 2020 10:43:47 GMT -5
Also the majority of people who applied and qualified for CERB at the beginning of last week have already received their money. Mr Trudeau didn't hold up the show for a vanity project
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 15, 2020 11:44:00 GMT -5
The percentage of Canadians that live in urban areas is the same as the number of Americans that live in urban areas. So, comparing all of Canada to just the Dakotas would be a poor comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 11:48:23 GMT -5
it's not hard to do better than the US. As in the virus cares little for exceptionalism.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 15, 2020 12:00:27 GMT -5
it's not hard to do better than the US. As in the virus cares little for exceptionalism. No other measures seem to care either - education, healthcare, mobility, etc. Maybe it is more accurate to say that the virus cares little for our unearned bravado.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 15, 2020 12:01:45 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse? I would venture to say that most of the world has done better than us. In addition, most US cases are in cities. Why let facts interfere with your talking points though.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 15, 2020 13:32:01 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 15, 2020 13:42:52 GMT -5
How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?
It looks like you just made that up and pulled it out of your ass. Republicans don't care much for facts.
In any case, Canada's deaths per million is 27. The deaths per million in the USA is 83, about 3 times more.
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 15, 2020 13:47:33 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing. You know where Trump's going next with this, right?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2020 14:19:45 GMT -5
As in the virus cares little for exceptionalism. No other measures seem to care either - education, healthcare, mobility, etc. Maybe it is more accurate to say that the virus cares little for our unearned bravado. I was thinking about this earlier......
if there were some miracle cure out there, we would know about it. instantly. it is not like the world's only innovations in medicine are done here. there is some fine work that has been done in Scandinavia, the UK, and Western Europe, as well- all areas that were infected before the US saw it's spike. does anyone REALLY think that we are going to be the first nation to come up with a cure?
we are so nationalistic, it is kinda repulsive.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 15, 2020 15:33:15 GMT -5
No other measures seem to care either - education, healthcare, mobility, etc. Maybe it is more accurate to say that the virus cares little for our unearned bravado. I was thinking about this earlier......
if there were some miracle cure out there, we would know about it. instantly. it is not like the world's only innovations in medicine are done here. there is some fine work that has been done in Scandinavia, the UK, and Western Europe, as well- all areas that were infected before the US saw it's spike. does anyone REALLY think that we are going to be the first nation to come up with a cure?
we are so nationalistic, it is kinda repulsive.
#worsethanFrance
Canadian scientists invented remdesivir for Ebola and there are other treatments which look promising. Researchers at the University of British Columbia are experimenting with a drug that was originally developed to treat SARS called APNO1. It ended up being unsuccessful, but may have a role in protecting a patient’s lungs in cases of severe COVID-19. “Our drug actually blocks this, so the virus cannot bind to its docking system, so it cannot enter the cells," said Josef Penninger of the Life Sciences Institute at the University of British Columbia. www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadian-researchers-look-to-previous-outbreaks-in-search-of-covid-19-treatment-1.4863911
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2020 15:45:30 GMT -5
Weltz, please tell us how well the virus is held in check in Canada, andhow everything is open for business there. Who do you blame for not controlling it better in Canada than here in the states. How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing. Why does everyone think it disappears at the end of April with warm weather? Southern California barely has "April weather" anytime, nor does Central America. Southern hemispheres have the virus and it is summer there. Florida has been in June weather for two months now and they have plenty of Coronavirus cases
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2020 15:49:49 GMT -5
How many cases and death per million are ocurring there even though most of Canada is like the Dakotas with population very sparse?
It looks like you just made that up and pulled it out of your ass. Republicans don't care much for facts. In any case, Canada's deaths per million is 27. The deaths per million in the USA is 83, about 3 times more. Look at some of the states of our northern plains states near your border. They beat your numbers. Three fourths of Canada is lacking much population, so Montreal Canada is your nyc hotspot. Put the numbers of residents of Montreal with their death number and what do you have? Instead of yada yada yada about us, keep us informed about your processes and how good it is there.....maybe you can help us with all the success.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 15, 2020 15:50:44 GMT -5
What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing. Why does everyone think it disappears at the end of April with warm weather? Southern California barely has "April weather" anytime, nor does Centrl America. Southern hemispheres have the virus and it is summer there. Florida has been in June weather for two months now and they have plenty of Coronavirus cases Didn't trump state it would disappear once the weather got warm? Why yes he did. Trump believes coronavirus will vanish with April temps — experts are skeptical warm weather alone is enough
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Post by tallguy on Apr 15, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing. Why does everyone think it disappears at the end of April with warm weather?Southern California barely has "April weather" anytime, nor does Centrl America. Southern hemispheres have the virus and it is summer there. Florida has been in June weather for two months now and they have plenty of Coronavirus cases Nobody possessed of any intelligence thinks it will disappear with warm weather. Only Donald Trump and the idiots who listened to him say that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 15, 2020 15:52:36 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 15, 2020 17:40:10 GMT -5
The US has something like 4% of the world's population. And 25% of COVID cases. Cases are only a function of how much testing is done. Consider this....of the top countries in the covid board, the range of percentage of total population that is infected of each country is from 0.15% to 0.37% of the population. US is at 0.19%, Spain is at 0.37%. Lowest is UK at 0.15%, but their numbers are growing quickly, it looks like they are in an exponential growth. China? Don’t believe the numbers coming out from there. What about India? They only have 12,000 cases but a total population of 1.3 billion. I am guessing few get tested, therefore few get diagnosed.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 15, 2020 18:49:10 GMT -5
Fauci was absent again today from the trump rally. After he had to make his public apology on Monday
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 15, 2020 23:29:58 GMT -5
White House snubs Azar, installs Trump loyalist Michael Caputo as HHS spokespersonThe White House is installing Trump campaign veteran Michael Caputo in the health department’s top communications position, Caputo confirmed to POLITICO. The move is designed to assert more White House control over Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, whom officials believe has been behind recent critical reports about President Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, according to two officials with knowledge of the move. Caputo, whose title will be assistant secretary of HHS for public affairs, said in a text message, “I am honored to serve the President to the best of my abilities in this time of crisis and, in so doing, the American people.” Caputo is an intense Trump loyalist whose recent book “The Ukraine Hoax,” alleged a conspiracy behind Trump’s impeachment. The high-level move comes after a series of news reports that portrayed Azar as warning Trump about the pending Covid-19 pandemic in January but having the president and his aides dismiss his concerns. Trump on Sunday tweeted that Azar “told me nothing until later,” appearing to refute those reports. White House officials believe that Azar has been shaping favorable coverage of his handling of the Covid-19 outbreak and trying to shift blame for the administration’s mishandled response, said two officials with knowledge of the situation. White House frustration with Azar also dates back to last year, with officials unhappy about his long-running feud with Medicare chief Seema Verma, Azar’s nominal deputy who maintains her own strong relationship with Trump. The White House declined to comment. HHS did not immediately respond to request for comment. Complete article here: White House snubs Azar, installs Trump loyalist Michael Caputo as HHS spokesperson
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:27:10 GMT -5
What? What are you talking about? 80% of Canadians live in densely-populated urban areas. www.statista.com/statistics/271208/urbanization-in-canada/I can speak for Montreal. It's an island of renters living on top of each other in apartment buildings. We're still doing better than you, because we shut EVERYTHING down in the very beginning, including the lottery and bottle return. You took your time. Our Prime Minister didn't lie about it being nothing to worry about, that it will disappear in April with the warm weather, and that it's the fault of China, the WHO, the Canadian Public Health Agency, etc. He also isn't bragging every day about what a tremendous job he's doing. Why does everyone think it disappears at the end of April with warm weather? Southern California barely has "April weather" anytime, nor does Central America. Southern hemispheres have the virus and it is summer there. Florida has been in June weather for two months now and they have plenty of Coronavirus cases That's what happens with viruses when people start to move outdoors more generally. Viruses are killed by the UV in natural sunlight. It's why fly season is in the winter time, more colds etc.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 16, 2020 11:33:51 GMT -5
Why does everyone think it disappears at the end of April with warm weather? Southern California barely has "April weather" anytime, nor does Central America. Southern hemispheres have the virus and it is summer there. Florida has been in June weather for two months now and they have plenty of Coronavirus cases That's what happens with viruses when people start to move outdoors more generally. Viruses are killed by the UV in natural sunlight. It's why fly season is in the winter time, more colds etc. That is the theory with the virus, but if it acts the way other viruses do is unknown. Won't know until we get there, unless you think you have special knowledge
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