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Post by justpeachy on Apr 8, 2020 11:04:14 GMT -5
... Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too. On this forum, we ask that people provide links when they make such claims. Please do so. Okay, I'll find it and post it here.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 11:08:54 GMT -5
I don't think Pence will run for POTUS. If he does, he'll be challenged in the primary. I hope future POTUS elections are won by: Donald Trump 2020 Donald Trump Jr 2024, 2028 Ivanka Trump 2032, 2036 Barron Trump 2040, 2044 Seems unlikely.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 11:10:37 GMT -5
I hope future POTUS elections are won by: Donald Trump 2020 Donald Trump Jr 2024, 2028 Ivanka Trump 2032, 2036 Barron Trump 2040, 2044 Seems unlikely. that's one word for it. impossible would be another.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 8, 2020 11:12:02 GMT -5
I guess the Navarro memos don't count. And if Trump didn't see him, he should have. If the people arounf him are that incompetent that they did not bring it to his attention, he is at fault. He is nominally in charge, remenber. Did he not see them, or is he lying? I vote lying, because...yanno....he simply cannot open his mouth and not lie.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 11:15:53 GMT -5
I guess the Navarro memos don't count. And if Trump didn't see him, he should have. If the people arounf him are that incompetent that they did not bring it to his attention, he is at fault. He is nominally in charge, remenber. Did he not see them, or is he lying? I vote lying, because...yanno....he simply cannot open his mouth and not lie. Lying. trump said had he seen Navarro's report he would have done the same thing he is doing today which would have been nothing from January until the middle of March.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 11:17:56 GMT -5
Why not Ivanka before Jr?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 11:20:36 GMT -5
I guess the Navarro memos don't count. And if Trump didn't see him, he should have. If the people arounf him are that incompetent that they did not bring it to his attention, he is at fault. He is nominally in charge, remenber. Did he not see them, or is he lying? I vote lying, because...yanno....he simply cannot open his mouth and not lie. I think he did see them. "Damn, I hate it when people put papers on my desk. I already know everthing so obviously there is no reason to waste my time reading anything." (Rip, rip, rip)
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 8, 2020 11:23:52 GMT -5
Why not Ivanka before Jr? She is 4 years younger than he is.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 12:14:49 GMT -5
On this forum, we ask that people provide links when they make such claims. Please do so. Okay, I'll find it and post it here. Wondering how that search is going?
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Post by justme on Apr 8, 2020 12:20:52 GMT -5
Why not Ivanka before Jr? She is 4 years younger than he is. Her ass is still older than me and I turn 35 next year. Be prepared - justme 2024
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 12:28:16 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how good Trump Performs. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mixed-messages/like-the-flu-trumps-coronavirus-messaging-confuses-public-pandemic-researchers-say-idUSKBN2102GY There's this from March 13th: " The coronavirus is not as bad as the seasonal flu. President Donald Trump is not worried about having had direct exposure to the virus. The United States is in far better shape than other countries. " When I STRONGLY suspect no one in any position of power thought "gee, there's nothing to worry about". Cause my State started shutting down, and my employer sent us all home on March 16th. (actually my employer was prepping for how to keep functioning before March 1st... and people started going WFH in waves.) There's more than 10,000 Americans dead from the coronavirus since March 1st. A little more than 30 days. So, yeah, Covid19 isn't as a bad as the seasonal flu in some alternate universe Trump lives in.... Trump's got blood on his hands from this "war" and it isn't the blood of the enemy. At least he wasn't inviting people to Chinatown like Nancy Pelosi was. Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too. Gosh, that's adorable! Warnings Ignored: A Timeline of Trump’s COVID-19 Response During the critical period between the outbreak in China and the landfall of coronavirus in America, Donald Trump was warned about our general vulnerabilities and the specific actions his administration needed to take to avoid the worst. This is the timeline of how he ignored them. For ten weeks President Trump downplayed the threat of and ignored warnings about the potential severity of COVID-19 with a series of lies, exaggerations, and outright fabrications that have been well documented. And yet despite the video record of the president’s words, the White House is trying to establish an alternate reality in which Trump was a competent, focused leader who saved American people from the coronavirus. If only it were true. thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2020 12:36:26 GMT -5
I hope future POTUS elections are won by: Donald Trump 2020 Donald Trump Jr 2024, 2028 Ivanka Trump 2032, 2036 Barron Trump 2040, 2044 why? are you short on US equities?
PS- Ivanka is ineligible to run, if you are serious. which, for the record, I don't think you are. oh, and Barron can't run in 2040. he'd only be 34. so that kills half your Royal Slate. you could run Pence in 2032.
And where's Eric? Or does Dick realize he's an imbecile? I'm also really puzzled about the suggestion Barron be president. He's a 14 year old kid that we don't really know much about. It's reported that he likes soccer and computers, and he does well in school So does my 14 year old son, but I don't see that as qualifying to be president. Why would anyone consider him to be presidential material other than he has Trump for a last name?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 13:01:36 GMT -5
At least he wasn't inviting people to Chinatown like Nancy Pelosi was. Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too. Gosh, that's adorable! Warnings Ignored: A Timeline of Trump’s COVID-19 Response During the critical period between the outbreak in China and the landfall of coronavirus in America, Donald Trump was warned about our general vulnerabilities and the specific actions his administration needed to take to avoid the worst. This is the timeline of how he ignored them. For ten weeks President Trump downplayed the threat of and ignored warnings about the potential severity of COVID-19 with a series of lies, exaggerations, and outright fabrications that have been well documented. And yet despite the video record of the president’s words, the White House is trying to establish an alternate reality in which Trump was a competent, focused leader who saved American people from the coronavirus. If only it were true. thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/And what exactly is wrong with inviting people to Chinatown in San Francisco. The virus didn't start in San Francisco. Seems a rather racist comment to me.
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2020 13:06:43 GMT -5
Gosh, that's adorable! Warnings Ignored: A Timeline of Trump’s COVID-19 Response During the critical period between the outbreak in China and the landfall of coronavirus in America, Donald Trump was warned about our general vulnerabilities and the specific actions his administration needed to take to avoid the worst. This is the timeline of how he ignored them. For ten weeks President Trump downplayed the threat of and ignored warnings about the potential severity of COVID-19 with a series of lies, exaggerations, and outright fabrications that have been well documented. And yet despite the video record of the president’s words, the White House is trying to establish an alternate reality in which Trump was a competent, focused leader who saved American people from the coronavirus. If only it were true. thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/ And what exactly is wrong with inviting people to Chinatown in San Francisco. The virus didn't start in San Francisco. Seems a rather racist comment to me. I don't get that comment either. Chinatown has nothing to do withe virus. I guess I don't speak "rightese."
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 13:14:46 GMT -5
... I'm also really puzzled about the suggestion Barron be president. He's a 14 year old kid that we don't really know much about. It's reported that he likes soccer and computers, and he does well in school So does my 14 year old son, but I don't see that as qualifying to be president. Why would anyone consider him to be presidential material other than he has Trump for a last name? My thought was, "Anyone who would want someone with my father's political opinions being President would be horrified by me being President."
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 14:58:34 GMT -5
why? are you short on US equities?
PS- Ivanka is ineligible to run, if you are serious. which, for the record, I don't think you are. oh, and Barron can't run in 2040. he'd only be 34. so that kills half your Royal Slate. you could run Pence in 2032.
And where's Eric? Or does Dick realize he's an imbecile? I'm also really puzzled about the suggestion Barron be president. He's a 14 year old kid that we don't really know much about. It's reported that he likes soccer and computers, and he does well in school So does my 14 year old son, but I don't see that as qualifying to be president. Why would anyone consider him to be presidential material other than he has Trump for a last name? Just a guess that anyone with the last name Trump can be bought and manipulated.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 8, 2020 15:02:45 GMT -5
why? are you short on US equities?
PS- Ivanka is ineligible to run, if you are serious. which, for the record, I don't think you are. oh, and Barron can't run in 2040. he'd only be 34. so that kills half your Royal Slate. you could run Pence in 2032.
And where's Eric? Or does Dick realize he's an imbecile? I'm also really puzzled about the suggestion Barron be president. He's a 14 year old kid that we don't really know much about. It's reported that he likes soccer and computers, and he does well in school So does my 14 year old son, but I don't see that as qualifying to be president. Why would anyone consider him to be presidential material other than he has Trump for a last name? Also, don't let Melania find out that you mentioned his name as that has been declared a capital crime by her more or less...
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 17:04:06 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how good Trump Performs. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mixed-messages/like-the-flu-trumps-coronavirus-messaging-confuses-public-pandemic-researchers-say-idUSKBN2102GY There's this from March 13th: " The coronavirus is not as bad as the seasonal flu. President Donald Trump is not worried about having had direct exposure to the virus. The United States is in far better shape than other countries. " When I STRONGLY suspect no one in any position of power thought "gee, there's nothing to worry about". Cause my State started shutting down, and my employer sent us all home on March 16th. (actually my employer was prepping for how to keep functioning before March 1st... and people started going WFH in waves.) There's more than 10,000 Americans dead from the coronavirus since March 1st. A little more than 30 days. So, yeah, Covid19 isn't as a bad as the seasonal flu in some alternate universe Trump lives in.... Trump's got blood on his hands from this "war" and it isn't the blood of the enemy. At least he wasn't inviting people to Chinatown like Nancy Pelosi was. Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too. I read your link. 2013 isn't a few months ago. Nice try, however!!
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 17:23:09 GMT -5
I don't see "an about-face" based on that one quote in one USA article. Here is his current stance: Fauci, meanwhile, has cautioned against putting too much promise in any "anecdotal evidence" before clinical trials are complete, emphasizing social distancing instead. link It addresses a different issue than what the linked article on SARS is discussing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:27:03 GMT -5
I don't see "an about-face" based on that one quote in one USA article. Here is his current stance: Fauci, meanwhile, has cautioned against putting too much promise in any "anecdotal evidence" before clinical trials are complete, emphasizing social distancing instead. link It addresses a different issue than what the linked article on SARS is discussing. if Trump is banking on that treatment to rescue his tepid response, I think he is going to be disappointed.
I have read enough to be unconvinced that this treatment is going to help much.
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I don't see "an about-face" based on that one quote in one USA article. Here is his current stance: Fauci, meanwhile, has cautioned against putting too much promise in any "anecdotal evidence" before clinical trials are complete, emphasizing social distancing instead. link It addresses a different issue than what the linked article on SARS is discussing. if Trump is banking on that treatment to rescue his tepid response, I think he is going to be disappointed.
I have read enough to be unconvinced that this treatment is going to help much.
Just finished a week in icu. Multiple patients on a ventilator and on these meds. If this is a game changing treatment, you can have it. I am unimpressed. But like all the other evidence to support its use, my experience is anecdotal, and worth not a whole lot. But the science behind it is not robust
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 17:37:47 GMT -5
Saw that this morning. I would be interested in why, and wonder who is getting fired
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:40:00 GMT -5
if Trump is banking on that treatment to rescue his tepid response, I think he is going to be disappointed.
I have read enough to be unconvinced that this treatment is going to help much.
Just finished a week in icu. Multiple patients on a ventilator and on these meds. If this is a game changing treatment, you can have it. I am unimpressed. But like all the other evidence to support its use, my experience is anecdotal, and worth not a whole lot. But the science behind it is not robust one of the MAIN reasons I don't think this is going to work is that there is nothing mysterious about it. Trump has this fantasy that he is smarter than everyone else, and thinks of novel ideas that nobody has ever thought of before. but the fact is that people have been talking about this possible treatment for months. particularly in France, where they are on the Italy curve now. if you think that most of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East have not considered this treatment, you really need to step away from the Kool Aid bowl.
but sure- keep researching it.
other treatments look more promising to me, however.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 17:46:13 GMT -5
Just finished a week in icu. Multiple patients on a ventilator and on these meds. If this is a game changing treatment, you can have it. I am unimpressed. But like all the other evidence to support its use, my experience is anecdotal, and worth not a whole lot. But the science behind it is not robust one of the MAIN reasons I don't think this is going to work is that there is nothing mysterious about it. Trump has this fantasy that he is smarter than everyone else, and thinks of novel ideas that nobody has ever thought of before. but the fact is that people have been talking about this possible treatment for months. particularly in France, where they are on the Italy curve now. if you think that most of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East have not considered this treatment, you really need to step away from the Kool Aid bowl.
but sure- keep researching it.
other treatments look more promising to me, however.
Antivirals are the most logical treatments, and would be the best if we could find it. Convalescent serum also should work, the remainder of what I have seen are questionable in my mind, but studying them is worthwhile, because you never know. His belief that he is smarter than everyone else is impressive. Problem is that in medicine we are prove it to us people, and death is a hard endpoint. Can’t bullshit it. Only thing is if his supporters won’t even believe us. If they don’t, we will have really gone down the rabbit hole. What Washington state has accomplished is proof of concept. He has a roadmap to how to do it. Only problem is he has to give Inslee credit. Don’t see it happening
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 17:48:43 GMT -5
I don't see "an about-face" based on that one quote in one USA article. Here is his current stance: Fauci, meanwhile, has cautioned against putting too much promise in any "anecdotal evidence" before clinical trials are complete, emphasizing social distancing instead. link It addresses a different issue than what the linked article on SARS is discussing. if Trump is banking on that treatment to rescue his tepid response, I think he is going to be disappointed.
I have read enough to be unconvinced that this treatment is going to help much.
What I think is significant from the link justpeachy provided is "The treatment, a combination of two already-approved antiviral drugs, ..." Hydroxychloroquine isn't an antiviral drug link.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:50:25 GMT -5
one of the MAIN reasons I don't think this is going to work is that there is nothing mysterious about it. Trump has this fantasy that he is smarter than everyone else, and thinks of novel ideas that nobody has ever thought of before. but the fact is that people have been talking about this possible treatment for months. particularly in France, where they are on the Italy curve now. if you think that most of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East have not considered this treatment, you really need to step away from the Kool Aid bowl.
but sure- keep researching it.
other treatments look more promising to me, however.
Antivirals are the most logical treatments, and would be the best if we could find it. Convalescent serum also should work, the remainder of what I have seen are questionable in my mind, but studying them is worthwhile, because you never know. His belief that he is smarter than everyone else is impressive. Problem is that in medicine we are prove it to us people, and death is a hard endpoint. Can’t bullshit it. Only thing is if his supporters won’t even believe us. If they don’t, we will have really gone down the rabbit hole. What Washington state has accomplished is proof of concept. He has a roadmap to how to do it. Only problem is he has to give Inslee credit. Don’t see it happening if he EVER looked outside himself in search of better ideas, he might be an average or better president.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 17:51:32 GMT -5
if Trump is banking on that treatment to rescue his tepid response, I think he is going to be disappointed.
I have read enough to be unconvinced that this treatment is going to help much.
What I think is significant from the link justpeachy provided is "The treatment, a combination of two already-approved antiviral drugs, ..." Hydroxychloroquine isn't an antiviral drug link. No it’s an anti-malaria drug that has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties, which is why it works on lupus. Did you wonder why most medical people have been lukewarm at best about this topic treatment?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:54:24 GMT -5
What I think is significant from the link justpeachy provided is "The treatment, a combination of two already-approved antiviral drugs, ..." Hydroxychloroquine isn't an antiviral drug link. No it’s an anti-malaria drug that has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties, which is why it works on lupus. Did you wonder why most medical people have been lukewarm at best about this topic treatment? thanks for making the distinction. i didn't catch it before today.
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