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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 17:58:15 GMT -5
No it’s an anti-malaria drug that has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties, which is why it works on lupus. Did you wonder why most medical people have been lukewarm at best about this topic treatment? thanks for making the distinction. i didn't catch it before today. No problem. This is actually harder than people think. There is a reason training takes so long. I have just been doing it for too long.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 8, 2020 18:22:06 GMT -5
Okay, I'll find it and post it here. Wondering how that search is going? Here ya go: weltschmerz, Tennesseer
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 18:32:36 GMT -5
So there was no need to re-evaluate that point. Decision made, all set. Nothing to worry about, even if facts changed in the interim
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 8, 2020 18:37:11 GMT -5
So there was no need to re-evaluate that point. Decision made, all set. Nothing to worry about, even if facts changed in the interim Does that sentiment apply to Trump as well?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 18:47:21 GMT -5
25 second clips are always suspect for me. Wondering if we can find more for full context.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 18:53:23 GMT -5
So there was no need to re-evaluate that point. Decision made, all set. Nothing to worry about, even if facts changed in the interim Does that sentiment apply to Trump as well? I would have no problem applying it to President Trump if President Trump applied it to himself.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 18:55:39 GMT -5
So there was no need to re-evaluate that point. Decision made, all set. Nothing to worry about, even if facts changed in the interim Does that sentiment apply to Trump as well? It was meant for trump, he’s in charge, remember. What happens under his watch is his responsibility, both good and bad. He owns this clusterfuck
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 19:01:09 GMT -5
Not sure why you sent that to me but it is clear you did not listen to the opening comments the video about taking it seriously.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 19:26:45 GMT -5
And if Dr. Fauci said it was nothing for the citizens of the United States should be worried about, then why trash Nancy Pelosi about telling folks to visit Chinatown.: At least he wasn't inviting people to Chinatown like Nancy Pelosi was. Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 8, 2020 19:32:47 GMT -5
And if Dr. Fauci said it was nothing for the citizens of the United States should be worried about, then why trash Nancy Pelosi about telling folks to visit Chinatown.: At least he wasn't inviting people to Chinatown like Nancy Pelosi was. Trump can only go by the information he has at the time. Dr. Fauci was saying the same thing at the time, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a twitter comment from Fauci saying something completely different a few months ago too. You Dems are the ones trashing Trump for saying the same thing Pelosi and Fauci were saying. I was asked to prove that Fauci said basically what Trump was saying at the time, and I did.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 19:46:25 GMT -5
here you go: Pelosi and Fauci are idiots if they think this treatment is effective.
are we all happy now?
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The White House did not offer any support for the president’s claim that “people with lupus aren’t catching” the coronavirus. However, there is evidence from the COVID-19 Global Rheumatology Alliance that he is wrong. The international alliance was formed to “help guide rheumatology clinicians in assessing and treating patients with rheumatologic disease.” The alliance — which is supported by the Lupus Foundation of America, Lupus Research Alliance and the American College of Rheumatology — has called on clinicians to report “all cases of COVID-19 in rheumatology patients, including those with mild or no symptoms.” As of April 2, the group had information on 110 validated patients: 36% with rheumatoid arthritis, 17% with psoriatic arthritis and 17% with systemic lupus erythematosus, or lupus, an autoimmune disease. “One frequently asked question: over 25% of patients who developed a COVID-19 were on HCQ at the time of diagnosis,” the group said in a tweet thread on April 2, referring to hydroxychloroquine. “Based on early data currently available in our registry, we are not able to report any evidence of a protective effect from hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19,” the group said in an April 4 tweet. To be clear, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one — but there aren’t signs so far, and ultimately, the question will have to be answered in a randomized controlled trial.
I can't remember what the logical fallacy is called, but Trump's statement is one of them, because he could just as easily have said "people WITHOUT Lupus aren't catching" the coronavirus. that is because it has nothing to do with Lupus or HCQ. it has to do with exposure to the virus.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 19:47:26 GMT -5
And if Dr. Fauci said it was nothing for the citizens of the United States should be worried about, then why trash Nancy Pelosi about telling folks to visit Chinatown.: You Dems are the ones trashing Trump for saying the same thing Pelosi and Fauci were saying. I was asked to prove that Fauci said basically what Trump was saying at the time, and I did. trump should be trashed. While trump didn't create the virus, he and his administration are responsible for all the sick and dead in our country. Own it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 20:24:08 GMT -5
You Dems are the ones trashing Trump for saying the same thing Pelosi and Fauci were saying. I was asked to prove that Fauci said basically what Trump was saying at the time, and I did. trump should be trashed. While trump didn't create the virus, he and his administration are responsible for all the sick and dead in our country. Own it. Trump is in charge. What happens is his responsibility. No matter how much they try to deflect, it all comes back to leadership. Trump is responsible for the response. If he’s not, why is he president
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 20:26:31 GMT -5
here you go: Pelosi and Fauci are idiots if they think this treatment is effective.
are we all happy now?
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The White House did not offer any support for the president’s claim that “people with lupus aren’t catching” the coronavirus. However, there is evidence from the COVID-19 Global Rheumatology Alliance that he is wrong. The international alliance was formed to “help guide rheumatology clinicians in assessing and treating patients with rheumatologic disease.” The alliance — which is supported by the Lupus Foundation of America, Lupus Research Alliance and the American College of Rheumatology — has called on clinicians to report “all cases of COVID-19 in rheumatology patients, including those with mild or no symptoms.” As of April 2, the group had information on 110 validated patients: 36% with rheumatoid arthritis, 17% with psoriatic arthritis and 17% with systemic lupus erythematosus, or lupus, an autoimmune disease. “One frequently asked question: over 25% of patients who developed a COVID-19 were on HCQ at the time of diagnosis,” the group said in a tweet thread on April 2, referring to hydroxychloroquine. “Based on early data currently available in our registry, we are not able to report any evidence of a protective effect from hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19,” the group said in an April 4 tweet. To be clear, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one — but there aren’t signs so far, and ultimately, the question will have to be answered in a randomized controlled trial.
I can't remember what the logical fallacy is called, but Trump's statement is one of them, because he could just as easily have said "people WITHOUT Lupus aren't catching" the coronavirus. that is because it has nothing to do with Lupus or HCQ. it has to do with exposure to the virus. Funny thing is, when lupus patients come in, infection is the thing we most worry about. But let the non-medical people make these decisions
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 22:14:41 GMT -5
You Dems are the ones trashing Trump for saying the same thing Pelosi and Fauci were saying. I was asked to prove that Fauci said basically what Trump was saying at the time, and I did.
.....and they were both wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong. That being said, Dr. Fauci considered the facts and re-evaluated his stance. Trump didn't.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 8:58:40 GMT -5
You Dems are the ones trashing Trump for saying the same thing Pelosi and Fauci were saying. I was asked to prove that Fauci said basically what Trump was saying at the time, and I did. trump should be trashed. While trump didn't create the virus, he and his administration are responsible for all the sick and dead in our country. Own it. No, CHINA is solely responsible for this pandemic, and the world community needs to now pressure them to clean up their act. What they do endangers the whole world, not just themselves anymore. If we are now a global community, we need to hold every country to the same standards of cleanliness, hygiene, and simple decent treatment towards people and animals. The Chinese deserve democracy and humane treatment. As for Dr. Fauci, I made a claim about him and I backed it up. Case closed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 9:02:27 GMT -5
trump should be trashed. While trump didn't create the virus, he and his administration are responsible for all the sick and dead in our country. Own it. No, CHINA is solely responsible for this pandemic, and the world community needs to now pressure them to clean up their act. What they do endangers the whole world, not just themselves anymore. If we are now a global community, we need to hold every country to the same standards of cleanliness, hygiene, and simple decent treatment towards people and animals. The Chinese deserve democracy and humane treatment. As for Dr. Fauci, I made a claim about him and I backed it up. Case closed. Bless your heart. You also have a reading comprehension problem. Thoughts and prayers.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 9:07:18 GMT -5
No, CHINA is solely responsible for this pandemic, and the world community needs to now pressure them to clean up their act. What they do endangers the whole world, not just themselves anymore. If we are now a global community, we need to hold every country to the same standards of cleanliness, hygiene, and simple decent treatment towards people and animals. The Chinese deserve democracy and humane treatment. As for Dr. Fauci, I made a claim about him and I backed it up. Case closed. Bless your heart. You also have a reading comprehension problem. Thoughts and prayers. I comprehended your post just fine. I just thought it was a given that you fail, like most Democrats, to put the blame where it belongs. Did the leaders of Italy, France, Iran, et al, also drop the ball? I already pointed out to you that Dr. Fauci himself was minimizing severity of the coronavirus in January too. You are essentially blaming Trump for not being a psychic. Lol
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 9:16:20 GMT -5
Bless your heart. You also have a reading comprehension problem. Thoughts and prayers. I comprehended your post just fine. I just thought it was a given that you fail, like most Democrats, to put the blame where it belongs. Did the leaders of Italy, France, Iran, et al, also drop the ball? I already pointed out to you that Dr. Fauci himself was minimizing severity of the coronavirus in January too. You are essentially blaming Trump for not being a psychic. Lol LOL. With they way you think, you then must credit former president Obama for our great economy after the great recession (that is until trump caused it to collapse with his words and lack of action action) because it started with Obama. The same with our plunging unemployment rates to records lows as it started with Obama (that is until trump caused it to rise due to his words and lack of action). Take your xenophobic bullshit elsewhere.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 9:27:18 GMT -5
I comprehended your post just fine. I just thought it was a given that you fail, like most Democrats, to put the blame where it belongs. Did the leaders of Italy, France, Iran, et al, also drop the ball? I already pointed out to you that Dr. Fauci himself was minimizing severity of the coronavirus in January too. You are essentially blaming Trump for not being a psychic. Lol LOL. With they way you think, you then must credit former president Obama for our great economy after the great recession (that is until trump caused it to collapse with his words and lack of action action) because it started with Obama. The same with our plunging unemployment rates to records lows as it started with Obama (that is until trump caused it to rise due to his words and lack of action). Take your xenophobic bullshit elsewhere. Translation: "I'm losing this argument, so now I'm going to scream "racism!" As someone from California, I can assure you that there are lots of Mexican immigrants here that came here LEGALLY. They were not kept out of the US for being 'brown'. Lol
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 9:44:04 GMT -5
LOL. With they way you think, you then must credit former president Obama for our great economy after the great recession (that is until trump caused it to collapse with his words and lack of action action) because it started with Obama. The same with our plunging unemployment rates to records lows as it started with Obama (that is until trump caused it to rise due to his words and lack of action). Take your xenophobic bullshit elsewhere. Translation: "I'm losing this argument, so now I'm going to scream "racism!" As someone from California, I can assure you that there are lots of Mexican immigrants here that came here LEGALLY. They were not kept out of the US for being 'brown'. Lol Nah. Your racism and bigotry showed in your intro post to the board.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 10:00:09 GMT -5
Translation: "I'm losing this argument, so now I'm going to scream "racism!" As someone from California, I can assure you that there are lots of Mexican immigrants here that came here LEGALLY. They were not kept out of the US for being 'brown'. Lol Nah. Your racism and bigotry showed in your intro post to the board. What did I say that was racist? And be specific. I take that accusation seriously and as a personal attack. So please be specific and don't try to weasel out of it. And you might also want to note that most Mexican Americans are against illegal immigration. Even Cesar Chavez was against it.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 9, 2020 10:08:53 GMT -5
Ok folks, let's please cut out the personal stuff and get back to discussing the issues-
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 10:21:16 GMT -5
Nah. Your racism and bigotry showed in your intro post to the board. What did I say that was racist? And be specific. I take that accusation seriously and as a personal attack. So please be specific and don't try to weasel out of it. And you might also want to note that most Mexican Americans are against illegal immigration. Even Cesar Chavez was against it. You have posted enough (China and the virus) and not blaming the U.S. for almost 30% of the world's deaths due to its late attempt to take control it until it was too late. As for Cesar Chavez, he's been dead for 27 years. We could easily stop most illegal immigration if we held those truly responsible for it: employers of illegal immigrants. But the powers that be, Republican and Democrat politicians, don't want to alienate their voters who are Republicans and Democrats.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 10:31:12 GMT -5
What did I say that was racist? And be specific. I take that accusation seriously and as a personal attack. So please be specific and don't try to weasel out of it. And you might also want to note that most Mexican Americans are against illegal immigration. Even Cesar Chavez was against it. You have posted enough (China and the virus) and not blaming the U.S. for almost 30% of the world's deaths due to its late attempt to take control it until it was too late. As for Cesar Chavez, he's been dead for 27 years. We could easily stop most illegal immigration if we held those truly responsible for it: employers of illegal immigrants. But the powers that be, Republican and Democrat politicians, don't want to alienate their voters who are Republicans and Democrats. In other words, you don't know the definition of 'racist' or 'racism'. I suggest you look it up. 'Mexican' isn't a race, btw. The virus came out of China, and that's why they're to blame. Doesn't have anything to do with their race. Racists see racism everywhere though. Maybe you should stop projecting. I don't care how long Chavez has been dead. Right now, I can tell you that Mexicans Americans TODAY do not support illegal immigration. How many illegal aliens live in YOUR neighborhood since you seem to think it's okay? Btw, I'm sick of white liberals/SJWs who have never met an Hispanic person in their life implying that we Mexican Americans have no regard for the law and calling it 'racist' because we do, and I'm here to defend our culture from people like you.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 11:00:35 GMT -5
You have posted enough (China and the virus) and not blaming the U.S. for almost 30% of the world's deaths due to its late attempt to take control it until it was too late. As for Cesar Chavez, he's been dead for 27 years. We could easily stop most illegal immigration if we held those truly responsible for it: employers of illegal immigrants. But the powers that be, Republican and Democrat politicians, don't want to alienate their voters who are Republicans and Democrats. In other words, you don't know the definition of 'racist' or 'racism'. I suggest you look it up. 'Mexican' isn't a race, btw. The virus came out of China, and that's why they're to blame. Doesn't have anything to do with their race. Racists see racism everywhere though. Maybe you should stop projecting. I don't care how long Chavez has been dead. Right now, I can tell you that Mexicans Americans TODAY do not support illegal immigration. How many illegal aliens live in YOUR neighborhood since you seem to think it's okay? Btw, I'm sick of white liberals/SJWs who have never met an Hispanic person in their life implying that we Mexican Americans have no regard for the law and calling it 'racist' because we do, and I'm here to defend our culture from people like you. Actually I had it in the post you quote here. But I went back and edited it out as I saw Deminmaine had posted ("Ok folks, let's please cut out the personal stuff and get back to discussing the issues-") before I hit the send button.
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 11:25:21 GMT -5
In other words, you don't know the definition of 'racist' or 'racism'. I suggest you look it up. 'Mexican' isn't a race, btw. The virus came out of China, and that's why they're to blame. Doesn't have anything to do with their race. Racists see racism everywhere though. Maybe you should stop projecting. I don't care how long Chavez has been dead. Right now, I can tell you that Mexicans Americans TODAY do not support illegal immigration. How many illegal aliens live in YOUR neighborhood since you seem to think it's okay? Btw, I'm sick of white liberals/SJWs who have never met an Hispanic person in their life implying that we Mexican Americans have no regard for the law and calling it 'racist' because we do, and I'm here to defend our culture from people like you. Actually I had it in the post you quote here. But I went back and edited it out as I saw Deminmaine had posted ("Ok folks, let's please cut out the personal stuff and get back to discussing the issues-") before I hit the send button. The fact is, you attacked me twice already - once in my intro thread, and another here with the personal attack of calling me a racist and a bigot which are both unfounded, and which went unreprimanded by the mods. If you think criticizing any country that happens to not be white as 'racism', even if the criticism is warranted, then the issue is with you and not the person criticizing the country. China is a communist country that violates human rights all the time. If you think it's racist to criticize them, then that's an issue with you and nobody else. You seem to be special here because you're not reprimanded for your personal attacks, but they won't get by me unchallenged. The virus came out of China and they are to blame for it. Their race doesn't have crap to do with anything. Bringing up race is diversion tactic and nothing else -- and usually a 'losing the argument' tactic.
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Actually I had it in the post you quote here. But I went back and edited it out as I saw Deminmaine had posted ("Ok folks, let's please cut out the personal stuff and get back to discussing the issues-") before I hit the send button. The fact is, you attacked me twice already - once in my intro thread, and another here with the personal attack of calling me a racist and a bigot which are both unfounded. If you think criticizing any country that happens to not be white as 'racism', even if the criticism is warranted, then the issue is with you and not the person criticizing the country. China is a communist country that violates human rights all the time. If you think it's racist to criticize them, then that's an issue with you and nobody else. You seem to be special here because you're not reprimanded for your personal attacks, but they won't get by me unchallenged. The virus came out of China and they are to blame for it. Their race doesn't have crap to do with anything. Bringing up race is diversion tactic and nothing else -- and usually a 'losing the argument' tactic. In fact, it was announced this morning that the virus in NY came from Europe
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Post by justpeachy on Apr 9, 2020 11:31:45 GMT -5
The fact is, you attacked me twice already - once in my intro thread, and another here with the personal attack of calling me a racist and a bigot which are both unfounded. If you think criticizing any country that happens to not be white as 'racism', even if the criticism is warranted, then the issue is with you and not the person criticizing the country. China is a communist country that violates human rights all the time. If you think it's racist to criticize them, then that's an issue with you and nobody else. You seem to be special here because you're not reprimanded for your personal attacks, but they won't get by me unchallenged. The virus came out of China and they are to blame for it. Their race doesn't have crap to do with anything. Bringing up race is diversion tactic and nothing else -- and usually a 'losing the argument' tactic. In fact, it was announced this morning that the virus in NY came from Europe That should make Tenneesseer happy. Maybe now we can call it the 'Italian flu' or the 'French flu' and the SJWs won't have a fit like they did when it was being called the Wuhan flu.
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 9, 2020 12:10:42 GMT -5
This thread has been temporarily LOCKED. When I made that admonishment, I meant it. "Racist" is not a term to be thrown around lightly. Also, just because a mod does not respond instantaneously to a complaint does not mean it is going un heeded. Admin here is voluntary, and mods have lives and jobs. It also means that sometimes posts have to be locked to "lock out" the animosity when it does not abate and the mod cannot babysit constantly.
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