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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 12:34:19 GMT -5
So do you. My point is the global transportation system. The blame game that follows, for political opportunism, doesn't interest me very much. Your ignorance in the limits of primary fabrication is showing. So what should we be stockpiling for our next emergency ? Good way to move the goalposts. We had about 6 weeks to prepare. So we should have done nothing because it is inevitable. Glad we didn’t think that way in the past Lol, my goal post remains in the same postion. You just think you will be dictating the parameters of the discussion. What's going to change in our global transportation systems, when this latest pandemic is over ? Aside from more efficient air travel within an ever increasing population density.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 24, 2020 12:34:26 GMT -5
I agree with all of your sentiments except for this one. Has there ever been a president who has been 100% honest with the country? More honest than Trump, yes, but honest? IMO, it's not the POTUS' job to be honest. I don't want to hear about covert missions or decisions that the position has to make on a hourly basis. Another president would have not lied about the seriousness of the thread. Another president would have told the truth about this the way Cuomo is doing in NY. All politicians have at one time or another, shaded the truth, but this man outright lies. Blatantly, daily, and proveably.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 12:38:06 GMT -5
Guess why I criticized the governor, to you. The global mass transportation network is the only reason it's here. Anything else would be a secondary delaying tactic for the inevitable. And delaying it and slowing its spread is bad, why? Refer any one of my posts where I said slowing it down was bad.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 24, 2020 12:41:29 GMT -5
Good way to move the goalposts. We had about 6 weeks to prepare. So we should have done nothing because it is inevitable. Glad we didn’t think that way in the past Lol, my goal post remains in the same postion. You just think you will be dictating the parameters of the discussion. What's going to change in our global transportation systems, when this latest pandemic is over ? Aside from more efficient air travel within an ever increasing population density. So because we won’t change transportation, nothing can be done. Good to know.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 24, 2020 12:42:13 GMT -5
And delaying it and slowing its spread is bad, why? Refer any one of my posts where I said slowing it down was bad. You keep avoiding it because the president did a piss poor job, that’s all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 12:46:53 GMT -5
Lol, my goal post remains in the same postion. You just think you will be dictating the parameters of the discussion. What's going to change in our global transportation systems, when this latest pandemic is over ? Aside from more efficient air travel within an ever increasing population density. So because we won’t change transportation, nothing can be done. Good to know. Refer to any post or mine where I said nothing can be done. As long a the perceived benefits of the transportation system out weigh the perceived threat of death caused by it, it will remain as is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 12:52:00 GMT -5
Refer any one of my posts where I said slowing it down was bad. You keep avoiding it because the president did a piss poor job, that’s all So you have nothing, but a failed attempt at a directed premise.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 24, 2020 13:10:48 GMT -5
You keep avoiding it because the president did a piss poor job, that’s all So you have nothing, but a failed attempt at a directed premise. Other than your refusing to answer direct questions, no. But since you have no interest in discussion, that will have to do. I agreed with you regarding transportation, but you cannot discuss the rest I guess
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Post by teen persuasion on Mar 24, 2020 13:13:44 GMT -5
Is it my imagination or has Dr. Fauci been absent from the last two daily updates starring trump. And speaking of trump, he is a terrible speaker at these daily updates. His voice expresses as much empathy for Americans as does a roll of concertina wire. Yesterday I had a revelation, when they broke into the local news to bring us Trump's droning recitation of random 6 digit counts of gloves, masks, etc., supplied to wherever. Trump is JigglyPuff. Voice that puts everyone to sleep en masse; rage when we don't properly appreciate his "performances"; and the sharpie artwork when things don't go his way.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 24, 2020 15:01:45 GMT -5
we are going to pass Italy in active cases before the weekend.
MAGA!
ps- I noticed that the MAGA hats are long gone now. Keeping America Great also appears to be gone. how about BATIK? (Bringing America To It's Knees)
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2020 15:36:46 GMT -5
we are going to pass Italy in active cases before the weekend. MAGA! ps- I noticed that the MAGA hats are long gone now. Keeping America Great also appears to be gone. how about BATIK? (Bringing America To It's Knees) Make America Germy Again.
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Post by lynnerself on Mar 24, 2020 15:45:57 GMT -5
we are going to pass Italy in active cases before the weekend. If I read it right, we are going to pass China in total cases by the weekend.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2020 16:58:00 GMT -5
we are going to pass Italy in active cases before the weekend. If I read it right, we are going to pass China in total cases by the weekend. Crap. They have 3x the people we have. That's bad, y'all.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2020 19:19:36 GMT -5
Sounds like we are at 52,000 and China is at 81,000. But they have way more deaths...so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:59:08 GMT -5
So you have nothing, but a failed attempt at a directed premise. Other than your refusing to answer direct questions, no. But since you have no interest in discussion, that will have to do. I agreed with you regarding transportation, but you cannot discuss the rest I guess You will find plenty of people over here to slam the politicians. I'm really not one to do that. I used to respond to that kind of stuff, but have since gotten bored with it. Bored with descriptions of 'what I'm doing/thinking' also. Too repetitive. I actually do think that even with better preparedness, the resultant spread of a novel virus infection would of been similar, with little change in the number of deaths by the time it's over. It's usually the case that when people feel they are safer due to better preparedness, they will take more risks, keeping the final death tally similar. Guns, cars, as an example, to name a couple. Then you always have those who will attempt to spread the virus deliberately, who knows what errors their heads contain. Think of those who start fires in fire season. There is a website called 'Flight Checker' I think. Look how many planes are in the air right now.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 25, 2020 9:11:27 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 9:13:42 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph) Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2020 9:20:47 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph) Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths. Setting up a cause and effect relationship? Interesting. I can see that working on some people.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 25, 2020 9:34:02 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph) Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths. They do, but they also practice somewhat differently than we do, with less aggressive care at end of life. Also have to look at demographics, as well as where they are in the maturity of the outbreaks. Italy’s numbers appear to be at a plateau, albeit at a high level. Current trajectory and we pass them soon in number of infections. Mortality is a trailing indicator
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Post by busymom on Mar 25, 2020 9:37:11 GMT -5
we are going to pass Italy in active cases before the weekend. MAGA! ps- I noticed that the MAGA hats are long gone now. Keeping America Great also appears to be gone. how about BATIK? (Bringing America To It's Knees) Unfortunately, supporters of the POTUS set up a stand of Trump merchandise near us this weekend. I must admit, I was pleased to see they didn't have any customers. And, my to do list forced me to drive by their stand twice.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 25, 2020 9:39:21 GMT -5
Well JMA, nice fatalistic attitude. Nothing can slow the rate of infection? So we just accept that hospitals nationwide are overwhelmed. Right now it’s NYC, in 2 months it could be widespread. In addition, we can’t do anything to prepare to protect healthcare workers for the onslaught? Could not have figured out ways to increase our supplies? Determined how we could distribute them? No planning? I guess I should just suck it up, put myself at risk and not complain. Thanks for caring?
BTW, epidemiological models suggest your wrong
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 25, 2020 9:52:35 GMT -5
Well JMA, nice fatalistic attitude. Nothing can slow the rate of infection? So we just accept that hospitals nationwide are overwhelmed. Right now it’s NYC, in 2 months it could be widespread. In addition, we can’t do anything to prepare to protect healthcare workers for the onslaught? Could not have figured out ways to increase our supplies? Determined how we could distribute them? No planning? I guess I should just suck it up, put myself at risk and not complain. Thanks for caring? BTW, epidemiological models suggest your wrong Don't let science get in the way of stating a perfectly useless opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 9:58:57 GMT -5
Well JMA, nice fatalistic attitude. Nothing can slow the rate of infection? So we just accept that hospitals nationwide are overwhelmed. Right now it’s NYC, in 2 months it could be widespread. In addition, we can’t do anything to prepare to protect healthcare workers for the onslaught? Could not have figured out ways to increase our supplies? Determined how we could distribute them? No planning? I guess I should just suck it up, put myself at risk and not complain. Thanks for caring? BTW, epidemiological models suggest your wrong Lots of premise there. You need to answer them. I have have a fatalistic attitude, don't care, and are wrong. I need an emoji that shows a fish swimming past a baited hook. Look up P/A posting, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 10:00:42 GMT -5
Well JMA, nice fatalistic attitude. Nothing can slow the rate of infection? So we just accept that hospitals nationwide are overwhelmed. Right now it’s NYC, in 2 months it could be widespread. In addition, we can’t do anything to prepare to protect healthcare workers for the onslaught? Could not have figured out ways to increase our supplies? Determined how we could distribute them? No planning? I guess I should just suck it up, put myself at risk and not complain. Thanks for caring? BTW, epidemiological models suggest your wrong Don't let science get in the way of stating a perfectly useless opinion. Indeed !
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 25, 2020 10:07:58 GMT -5
Well JMA, nice fatalistic attitude. Nothing can slow the rate of infection? So we just accept that hospitals nationwide are overwhelmed. Right now it’s NYC, in 2 months it could be widespread. In addition, we can’t do anything to prepare to protect healthcare workers for the onslaught? Could not have figured out ways to increase our supplies? Determined how we could distribute them? No planning? I guess I should just suck it up, put myself at risk and not complain. Thanks for caring? BTW, epidemiological models suggest your wrong Lots of premise there. You need to answer them. I have have a fatalistic attitude, don't care, and are wrong. I need an emoji that shows a fish swimming past a baited hook. Look up P/A posting, lol. So, we have no control over anything? I’ll remember that when conservatives complain about an issue. You guys talk about planning for emergencies from a monetary standpoint. Why does that not carry over to other areas? The things I outlined were not outrageous, nor are they unreasonable. The government had a practice scenario outlining these events just a few months ago. Why were we not at least trying to prepare for this based on those lessons? I’m sure that telling states to figure it out themselves was not the lesson. But with all your pronouncements, you are surprisingly silent with your opinions on this. Strange, but continue to belittle my comments
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2020 11:13:37 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph) Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths. yes, they have a much more robust healthcare system than us. which is terrifying.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2020 11:14:24 GMT -5
Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths. Setting up a cause and effect relationship? Interesting. I can see that working on some people. yeah. for a few weeks.....
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2020 11:56:46 GMT -5
Setting up a cause and effect relationship? Interesting. I can see that working on some people. yeah. for a few weeks..... I assume that you mean until the US death count exceeds those for Spain and Italy. I don't see that as mattering. Ads can be run saying "They have healthcare for all and this number of people died." A "Yeah but here are the details" response will make no difference.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 25, 2020 12:09:25 GMT -5
CBS is reporting that Spain now has more deaths than China. Spain's number of deaths is doubling every three days and so is the US (per the NYT graph) Doesn't Spain and Italy have healthcare for all ? This isn't a slam, but curiosity of its effect on deaths. Healthcare for all doesn't help when you don't have enough equipment to cover your needs in a pandemic. Our hospitals are no better equipped to handle a pandemic than theirs are. While healthcare for all is a huge benefit in reducing the need for hospitalization through early intervention, there is no vaccine against this novel virus and no viable treatment to stop it; therefore, early intervention simply isn't possible at this time. Hell, we aren't even able to widely test for it yet. Pandemics are a bit different, don'cha know.
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