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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:18:08 GMT -5
Gad this is like arguing climate change all over again, but with an active body count. Yippee! There's no argument about climate change, it always changes. (I didn't want to disappoint you)
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2020 14:43:53 GMT -5
Gad this is like arguing climate change all over again, but with an active body count. Yippee! There's no argument about climate change, it always changes. (I didn't want to disappoint you) not to quibble, but the weather always changes. fairly dramatically.
the climate does not. it is relatively stable for very long periods of time. or at least it DID.
if it is changing as fast as the weather, we are in deep shit.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2020 1:20:00 GMT -5
this is maybe the most worrisome chart out there. this shows us -vs- the major outbreak countries. our current growth rate is above EVERY OTHER COUNTRY at this point in the outbreak. in other words, whatever you have heard about Italy, etc, it will be worse here. that is just according to the data. so, don't worry, I guess. because, you know.....it's science, not Trump. every day he fails to take a national stance on this is literally killing Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 8:54:55 GMT -5
There's no argument about climate change, it always changes. (I didn't want to disappoint you) not to quibble, but the weather always changes. fairly dramatically.
the climate does not. it is relatively stable for very long periods of time. or at least it DID.
if it is changing as fast as the weather, we are in deep shit.
Stating the obvious are you ? There is no timeframe limitation on 'change'. When I use climate in regards to change, it's a given that the timeframe refers to climate. So saying the climate does not change is easily, provably wrong. It will always change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:05:21 GMT -5
this is maybe the most worrisome chart out there. this shows us -vs- the major outbreak countries. our current growth rate is above EVERY OTHER COUNTRY at this point in the outbreak. in other words, whatever you have heard about Italy, etc, it will be worse here. that is just according to the data. so, don't worry, I guess. because, you know.....it's science, not Trump. every day he fails to take a national stance on this is literally killing Americans. He might be concerned about more blowback regarding executive overreach. Not surprising that his approval went up when he does less. It's a kind of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't kind of situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:18:17 GMT -5
Looks like our county has it's first confirmed case of Covid-19 this morning. Brought it back here after traveling, big surprise there.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2020 17:02:56 GMT -5
not to quibble, but the weather always changes. fairly dramatically.
the climate does not. it is relatively stable for very long periods of time. or at least it DID.
if it is changing as fast as the weather, we are in deep shit.
Stating the obvious are you ? There is no timeframe limitation on 'change'. When I use climate in regards to change, it's a given that the timeframe refers to climate. So saying the climate does not change is easily, provably wrong. It will always change. right. only an idiot would say such a thing.
what I said is that the climate doesn't change dramatically (meaning, over short periods).
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Post by oped on Mar 28, 2020 17:11:24 GMT -5
Worried about executive overreach lmao... he signed the stimulus and then an executive order pretty much saying he’s going to ignore all the oversight pieces...
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2020 17:27:03 GMT -5
Worried about executive overreach lmao... he signed the stimulus and then an executive order pretty much saying he’s going to ignore all the oversight pieces... as I said earlier, it is DIFFICULT to share unhappy news. I can't blame Trump for not wanting to do it.
I DO, however, think it is FAIR to hold him to account for not having enough guts to do it.
he is, after all, in charge. if he doesn't like it, he can step down and let someone with guts take over.
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Post by mollyc on Mar 28, 2020 17:58:02 GMT -5
I just caught today's update for B.C.
One of the things happening is they are moving patients into ICU and on to ventilaters sooner. Data from other countries is suggesting that doing this before necessary will lessen the severity of the disease and speed recovery. Luckily we are currently able to try this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:33:14 GMT -5
Stating the obvious are you ? There is no timeframe limitation on 'change'. When I use climate in regards to change, it's a given that the timeframe refers to climate. So saying the climate does not change is easily, provably wrong. It will always change. right. only an idiot would say such a thing.
what I said is that the climate doesn't change dramatically (meaning, over short periods).
If it did change over short periods, it's considered weather. Now I'm stating the obvious, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:38:23 GMT -5
Worried about executive overreach lmao... he signed the stimulus and then an executive order pretty much saying he’s going to ignore all the oversight pieces... Which he can do it be wants. If he walked on water, his haters would claim he can't swim, lol. (I stole that saying from a previous president)
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 29, 2020 9:43:42 GMT -5
Fauci predicts 100K-200K US deaths; Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government’s top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday, as people in and around the country’s outbreak epicenter of New York were urged to limit their travel to contain the scourge. The dire prediction came from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union.” As of Sunday morning, the U.S. had about 125,000 infections and 2,200 deaths. www.pbs.org/newshour/world/spain-italy-demand-eu-virus-help-new-yorkers-avoid-travel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:51:13 GMT -5
While Gen Z is partying on the beaches for spring break, lol.
Oh the worry !
Oh the concern of tragedy !
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2020 10:15:15 GMT -5
Worried about executive overreach lmao... he signed the stimulus and then an executive order pretty much saying he’s going to ignore all the oversight pieces... Which he can do it be wants. If he walked on water, his haters would claim he can't swim, lol. (I stole that saying from a previous president) Until/Unless Congress officially stands up to a President, Presidents will do whatever they want.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 29, 2020 12:39:25 GMT -5
Trump has seemed persuaded that the number of deaths does not justify shutting down the whole of the country for longer than a few weeks. "In my opinion, the mortality rate, it's way, way down, and that takes a lot of fear out. You know, it's one thing to have it. It's another thing to die," he said. "When I first got involved, I was being told numbers that were much, much higher than the number seems to be. That's one of the reasons I say, look, we're going to beat this, and we're going to get back to work." www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-coronavirus-quarantines-1.5513607Dumbass.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 29, 2020 14:04:46 GMT -5
While Gen Z is partying on the beaches for spring break, lol. Oh the worry ! Oh the concern of tragedy ! And this is why Trump is getting a high approval rating. A lot of people don't know anyone who is 'sick' or only 1 or 2 people have been said to die from it in their area (and the person who died was like 90 and bedridden and was gonna die anyway). That was my sibling - until he got a fever 4 days ago... which hasn't gone away. Now he's getting alittle worried. And he's seeing local news about the state of his local hospitals. And there's a bigger death count... and he's had a fever for 4 days... 5 days ago it was "not my problem - it's 'those people over there problem and they are making a mountain out of a mole hill". Now it's his problem. and yeah, I told him he was an idiot and that I was sorry he was sick and that I hoped he feel better soon.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 29, 2020 15:34:52 GMT -5
right. only an idiot would say such a thing.
what I said is that the climate doesn't change dramatically (meaning, over short periods).
If it did change over short periods, it's considered weather. Now I'm stating the obvious, lol. i think you used the word "rapidly" (or dramatically, or something) in your original statement.
rapidly is not "over centuries" to me. it is "over hours" or "over days". much like Coronavirus.
that is where this argument came from, in case you are wondering.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 29, 2020 18:51:34 GMT -5
we are going to pass Iran tomorrow in cases per million, and probably both Iran and France in total deaths. we will have half a million infected by next Friday. the caseload in NYC will go critical this week.
it will be interesting to see how long the Trump flock can go on pretending this is the flu.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:22:34 GMT -5
Which he can do it be wants. If he walked on water, his haters would claim he can't swim, lol. (I stole that saying from a previous president) Until/Unless Congress officially stands up to a President, Presidents will do whatever they want. Agreed, power should be balanced.
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Post by swamp on Mar 30, 2020 9:26:50 GMT -5
This is why we can't have nice things
From Upstate NY:
Clinton County Health Department
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News Release
Date: March 29, 2020
For Immediate Release
COVID-19 Update for 3-29-20
Staying Home is Critical to Contain Spread of COVID-19
Plattsburgh, March 29, 2020. CCHD has learned that an individual who was ill and later tested and confirmed positive for COVID-19 was active in the community while symptomatic. Through standard contact tracing and with the assistance of the Clinton County Sheriff’s Department, several businesses visited by this individual have been identified. Notification of those with whom this person had contact began on Saturday. Sheriff’s Deputies worked to pinpoint additional dates, locations and times and CCHD staff made phone calls to contacts. Individuals who were considered to have had close contact at Beekmantown Central School, SUNY Plattsburgh, Sawatdee Restaurant, Koto Restaurant, Eclipse Gym, Hannaford and a taxi company have been notified. During the time when this person was symptomatic, several visits were made to Walmart as well. Unfortunately, the case-patient was unable to specify the exact times of day when he went to Walmart, but states he was there most days between 3/11 and 3/24 and that he used self-checkout. The Sheriff’s Department is investigating financial transactions to further track the movements of this individual.
“This incident underscores the critical importance of staying home if ill, even if you have not been tested or do not believe you have COVID-19,” emphasized Erin Streiff, Director of Health Care Services for the Clinton County Health Department. “It also represents the enormous challenge of containing a viral illness like COVID-19 without the full cooperation of the community.”
Being in the same location as someone with COVID-19 does not automatically put individuals at risk. The highest risk is associated with close and prolonged (less than 6 feet for more than 10 minutes) contact. Contact of shorter duration or interaction that is not close carries less risk. Having been in the same location without being near someone who is ill with COVID-19, poses a lower risk and is dependent on many factors. “We understand that this information may be of limited comfort for those who fear they might have been exposed” stated Ms. Streiff. “We ask that anyone who experiences symptoms that include cough, fever or shortness of breath, consider themselves likely to have COVID-19. Then, take appropriate steps based upon your symptoms.”
Most people who contract COVID-19 will experience only mild symptoms that can be managed at home. Confer with your healthcare provider and follow their advice for managing symptoms. Shortness of breath that becomes severe, chest pain, or a bluish color in the face or lips are serious symptoms that warrant a call to 9-1-1.
CCHD will continue to share information as it becomes available. To date the total number of lab-confirmed cases in Clinton County is 14 including one inmate at the Clinton Correctional facility. There is additionally one probable case with a lab result of indeterminate. There are numerous suspect cases who are symptomatic but unable to be tested at this time due to the shortage of test kits. Four of the lab confirmed cases have recovered. There have been 0 deaths to date.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:31:22 GMT -5
While Gen Z is partying on the beaches for spring break, lol. Oh the worry ! Oh the concern of tragedy ! And this is why Trump is getting a high approval rating. A lot of people don't know anyone who is 'sick' or only 1 or 2 people have been said to die from it in their area (and the person who died was like 90 and bedridden and was gonna die anyway). That was my sibling - until he got a fever 4 days ago... which hasn't gone away. Now he's getting alittle worried. And he's seeing local news about the state of his local hospitals. And there's a bigger death count... and he's had a fever for 4 days... 5 days ago it was "not my problem - it's 'those people over there problem and they are making a mountain out of a mole hill". Now it's his problem. and yeah, I told him he was an idiot and that I was sorry he was sick and that I hoped he feel better soon. I'm really sorry he's sick. It's best to err on the side of caution with new viruses. We've been staying home, and are ready to continue if needed. Don't want to spread or catch it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -5
If it did change over short periods, it's considered weather. Now I'm stating the obvious, lol. i think you used the word "rapidly" (or dramatically, or something) in your original statement.
rapidly is not "over centuries" to me. it is "over hours" or "over days". much like Coronavirus.
that is where this argument came from, in case you are wondering.
I just said it "always" changes, in my facetious post to dem. No biggie. I consider climate in 5-10 thousand year or more increments. Our activities are a blip on the climate scale. Even if we eliminate ourselves. Things would just go back to whatever normal is, if you don't consider humans as part of this planet's widely varied normal. Even normal is a uniquely human concept.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 30, 2020 14:01:29 GMT -5
Any possibility you two could debate climate change elsewhere? I know we are supposed to let threads go wherever, but this feels terribly out of place.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 14:36:31 GMT -5
Any possibility you two could debate climate change elsewhere? I know we are supposed to let threads go wherever, but this feels terribly out of place. I am also getting sick of "what the definition of "is" is" constantly taking over threads.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 30, 2020 14:59:42 GMT -5
Any possibility you two could debate climate change elsewhere? I know we are supposed to let threads go wherever, but this feels terribly out of place. I am also getting sick of "what the definition of "is" is" constantly taking over threads. That spot is a refuge for the cowardly. I thought so when Bill said it, and I still believe it today.
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Post by lynnerself on Mar 30, 2020 15:08:47 GMT -5
This site updated their predictions today. My state (Oregon) is looking pretty good. The peak date was moved out a week later than the previous graph. (Flattening the curve) And it projects we have enough hospital beds. (PPE is another issue)
Also our number of new cases has been steady for 3 days. Governor Brown was pretty quick to act when our numbers were still quite low. I'm a little worried about my particular county
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 30, 2020 15:18:26 GMT -5
This site updated their predictions today. My state (Oregon) is looking pretty good. The peak date was moved out a week later than the previous graph. (Flattening the curve) And it projects we have enough hospital beds. (PPE is another issue)
Also our number of new cases has been steady for 3 days. Governor Brown was pretty quick to act when our numbers were still quite low. I'm a little worried about my particular county
I am in Eastern Washington State. The problem here is that we are so different than Western Washington that data for the entire state isn't that helpful for me to understand what is happening in my area.
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