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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 7, 2019 9:50:43 GMT -5
What I find hypocritical is that all of you that are part of the Pantsuit Nation can't take a step back and see how Hillary treated the women that accused her husband. How can you be a champion of woman and accept her behavior? Accept her standing behind a man accused of rape? Because you all tell me over and over and over, women don't lie. If he was accused, he is a guilty and she stayed with him. How in the world does that fit with the #metoo movement? You seriously crack me up! If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. Easy. She obviously hates women.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2019 9:53:12 GMT -5
If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. I actually don't "know" anything. I know accusations. He is a cheating asshole, yes. So was Bill Clinton but people overlooked that. He has been accused of rape. So was Bill Clinton, but people overlooked that. What I know is that if it is between Trump and a progressive agenda, Trump will be getting my vote. I do not personally like the man but me liking a person does not mean I do not think he is the lesser of two evils. I am also not a feminist. I am curious how a feminist could vote for Bill or Hillary. But no feminists have been willing to answer that question. You know exactly how he treats women, physically and verbally. You are no better than the Pantsuit women you trashed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2019 9:54:05 GMT -5
If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. Easy. She obviously hates women. I know. She would step on any woman's neck who gets in her way.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 7, 2019 9:54:47 GMT -5
If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. I actually don't "know" anything. I know accusations. He is a cheating asshole, yes. So was Bill Clinton but people overlooked that. He has been accused of rape. So was Bill Clinton, but people overlooked that. What I know is that if it is between Trump and a progressive agenda, Trump will be getting my vote. I do not personally like the man but me liking a person does not mean I do not think he is the lesser of two evils. I am also not a feminist. I am curious how a feminist could vote for Bill or Hillary. But no feminists have been willing to answer that question. People did not overlook Bill Clinton’s behavior. He was already in office. Had he been up for reelection, I do not believe he’d have been elected. It was very easy to vote for Hillary. She was the only qualified candidate running. A lot of voters actually believe qualification is important. And I do consider myself a feminist. You ride the coattails of women who paved tbe way for you, even as you demonize them.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 7, 2019 11:51:33 GMT -5
Nearly THREE MILLION more voters chose her. She lost in the EC, not in the voting booth. "She was extremely polarizing "
Seriously....how so? I guess I missed that...I know the arguments put forth, Bengasi..White Water...Suicide of a aid to Bill...her staying with Bill because of the Monica thing...her wardrobe. Pantsuits...her voice...Server problem..{not quite sure what a server is or the problems nationally of one} E mails missing..{figure a person in her position would have many, many e mails... Guess none of those topics ever bothered me...especially since millions were spent investigating questionable ones...white water, the suicide, e mails , server and what ever.. I am sure if I looked deeply into her actions over the years I am sure there were some things I disagreed with but I wasn't looking for a life time partner...or a saint. Just interested in a intelligent, {she is}..experienced in how our government runs..{definitely as a two term Senator , and supposedly a respected one, even from those across the aisle as it was reported she was, articulate {she is} plus seemed to be a good mother, did a good job as first Lady for eight years...with all that, it was easy for me to vote for her and support her candency.. After the Soap Opera of the past three years, I know she would have been a better choice to be POTUS then the one we have now, with out going over his obvious screw ups... She was polarizing because she wore pants and there are a bunch of unfounded rumors that she killed 50 people. Also, there were plenty of things that were painstakingly investigated by Republicans that were never proven (and often categorically dispriven), but many think she is still guilty. Because innocent until.proven guilty only applies to the GOP.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2019 11:56:26 GMT -5
Besides everything mentioned above, Hillary Clinton died from Parkinson's disease almost two months before the election. As Hillary was dead on the day of the election, and even though she won the popular vote, the presidency went to the runner up.
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Post by oped on Nov 7, 2019 14:12:09 GMT -5
Nearly THREE MILLION more voters chose her. She lost in the EC, not in the voting booth. The EC is all that matters. She picked up the very liberal states and lost most others. That gives her the popular vote and not the EC. And she lost my state by a whopping 44k votes. I'm saying if she wasn't such a polarizing bitch, she probably would have won. She picked up 68% of the economy. Keep trashing that at your peril. The republic would never survive a second term. I have very limited expectations on it surviving the first one.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 7, 2019 15:24:29 GMT -5
The EC is all that matters. She picked up the very liberal states and lost most others. That gives her the popular vote and not the EC. And she lost my state by a whopping 44k votes. I'm saying if she wasn't such a polarizing bitch, she probably would have won. She picked up 68% of the economy. Keep trashing that at your peril. The republic would never survive a second term. I have very limited expectations on it surviving the first one. Now that is funny
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Post by oped on Nov 7, 2019 15:50:58 GMT -5
Which part is funny?
The irony for all the libertarians is going to be when atlas actually fucking shrugs...
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Post by dezii on Nov 7, 2019 16:32:28 GMT -5
...regarding the rape..a 13 year old plus a ex wife... you mean accused, not charged, not found guilty. Please do every american a favor and stay off a jury duty you just don't get how it works "ednkris"...we've done this numerouse times...he raped a thirteen year old prostitute numerouse times...had a witness too but with his wealth , influence and threats...victim kind of disappeared after two different accusations...also the former wife e too... There are plenty of articles ..just not up to searching for them again...been done here many times.. Lets face it..your guru is a {oink, oink}...hands down, no question of...I know it..u know it...Your still a supporter? Your business.. also dropped charges after million {s} $ settlement...condo, child payments etc....His admitted payment of $160,000 payment to hooker to keep quiet...who knows over the years how many more such incidents.. That you are so desperate to over look your guru's faults ...a rapest for god sake...is your problem...I pity u .
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Post by dezii on Nov 7, 2019 16:46:33 GMT -5
I said earlier in this thread that I do not vote for personality. I voted against Hillary's politics. Lots of people also voted against Trump because they did not like him as a person. But I still say if the dems put up almost anyone over Hillary, they would have taken 2016. Of course, that is just my opinion and since I wanted to make sure we didn't get more liberal judges, I'm thrilled that Hillary was the nominee that election. That is a mouthful right there...how true. Just getting the "right" judges in is worth voting for Trump. At least this way if another liberal nut job get in or worse a nightmare like Hillary actually wins the country can take solace that we have some chance of keeping the country somewhat normal. "we have some chance of keeping the country somewhat normal."
I take it u mean a "normal country" of right winged, card carrying neo natzi , black and brown haters...white supremacist......That may be your idea of normal....not mine and those I associate with...I grant u that we have to many such types in the country but before Trump, they did not have a important spokesperson and supporter... Their typical spokes people were more along the lines of the Father Coughlin types of the late 1930's ...till Dec 7th...he then disappeared ...Governor Wallace...Herr Duke...never before a POTUS... I see u have a notorious follower...haven't heard from her in a long time...I am from the school that believes who one associates with says a lot about a person...Just saying.
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Post by Opti on Nov 7, 2019 16:54:01 GMT -5
If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. I actually don't "know" anything. I know accusations. He is a cheating asshole, yes. So was Bill Clinton but people overlooked that. He has been accused of rape. So was Bill Clinton, but people overlooked that. What I know is that if it is between Trump and a progressive agenda, Trump will be getting my vote. I do not personally like the man but me liking a person does not mean I do not think he is the lesser of two evils. I am also not a feminist. I am curious how a feminist could vote for Bill or Hillary. But no feminists have been willing to answer that question. I think feminists have answered the question about Hillary, but maybe you don't remember or like their answers? Hillary was a female trailblazer in politics and took lots of shit because of it. I like the fact she studied healthcare and worked hard on policies. I don't enjoy her speaking voice but I find it less annoying than Trump's hand gestures. While emotionally I would have liked her to leave Bill, its her life and its not a big impact on how she would govern.
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Post by Opti on Nov 7, 2019 16:59:39 GMT -5
"She was extremely polarizing "
Seriously....how so? I guess I missed that...I know the arguments put forth, Bengasi..White Water...Suicide of a aid to Bill...her staying with Bill because of the Monica thing...her wardrobe. Pantsuits...her voice...Server problem..{not quite sure what a server is or the problems nationally of one} E mails missing..{figure a person in her position would have many, many e mails... Guess none of those topics ever bothered me...especially since millions were spent investigating questionable ones...white water, the suicide, e mails , server and what ever.. I am sure if I looked deeply into her actions over the years I am sure there were some things I disagreed with but I wasn't looking for a life time partner...or a saint. Just interested in a intelligent, {she is}..experienced in how our government runs..{definitely as a two term Senator , and supposedly a respected one, even from those across the aisle as it was reported she was, articulate {she is} plus seemed to be a good mother, did a good job as first Lady for eight years...with all that, it was easy for me to vote for her and support her candency.. After the Soap Opera of the past three years, I know she would have been a better choice to be POTUS then the one we have now, with out going over his obvious screw ups... She was polarizing because she wore pants and there are a bunch of unfounded rumors that she killed 50 people. Also, there were plenty of things that were painstakingly investigated by Republicans that were never proven (and often categorically dispriven), but many think she is still guilty. Because innocent until.proven guilty only applies to the GOP. Agreed. She has also been polarizing because she does not want to act feminine and her skills are elsewhere. Some wanted to take that as she disapproved of other woman's choices, but I think that was projecting. Also, it seems many of the male conservative posters prefer looks over qualifications when it comes to female politicians.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 7, 2019 17:01:46 GMT -5
If trump is the Republican candidate in 2020, how can you vote for a man who treats women like he has and does? You know his character. I actually don't "know" anything. I know accusations. He is a cheating asshole, yes. So was Bill Clinton but people overlooked that. He has been accused of rape. So was Bill Clinton, but people overlooked that. What I know is that if it is between Trump and a progressive agenda, Trump will be getting my vote. I do not personally like the man but me liking a person does not mean I do not think he is the lesser of two evils. I am also not a feminist. I am curious how a feminist could vote for Bill or Hillary. But no feminists have been willing to answer that question. I don't know much about Clinton, but I know she is a lifelong feminist. her first visible, public "issue" was in Arkansas, when she refused to take her husband's name after they were married. she eventually capitulated, under pressure. that makes her a weak feminist, which we have seen over and over again, but she is as much a feminist as most, imo.
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Post by Opti on Nov 7, 2019 17:16:00 GMT -5
I think Trump is going to win and I'm a democrat.
All 3 front runners are to damn old! Give it up already, yet some young fresh blood come in.....someone that can relate more to the voters.
Warren is about as likeable as Clinton was! Bernie is a wacko! Biden is a perv!
If Trump is re-elected, it won't be because he "won" per se but more because the democrats lost to themselves! I don't think Trump won 2016, per se....it was more that Hillary lost. She was extremely polarizing and I know a lot of people that voted against her and not for Trump. And I'm a staunch conservative! I think had the democrats put anyone else up in 2016 they probably would have won. I am in one of those swing states that was called very late in the game. Trump only won by 44,292 votes.. I honestly wish there were more parties than just two. There are more parties than just the two. They just don't have that many people that vote for them.
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Post by Opti on Nov 7, 2019 17:19:31 GMT -5
She was extremely polarizing and I know a lot of people that voted against her and not for Trump.I'm one of these voters. I could not in good conscience allow Hillary to get near the Supreme Court. Especially when I think of 2 possible nominees ................. hubby Bill, and/or Obama .........I remember the campaign of 2008, and the fact that Hillary dropped out so quickly and easily. I'm 99% sure the Obama group promised the 2016 nomination to her if she would let Obama have the 2008 ticket. Trump winning the next election depends on who the Dems have on their ticket. You still believe that lie sold to the RW to prevent Hillary from being elected? Neither would even want it.
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Post by Opti on Nov 7, 2019 17:28:36 GMT -5
Medicare for all is pandering to the democratic party's base. I think Warren should have stayed more moderate on that one. She may have really stepped in some doo doo on that one. I think Medicare for All is a way to sell the idea of universal healthcare without being at all accurate or reasonable. I do think Warren's idea of tiering the implementation is sound, but much needs to be done better besides making this an equivalent of Trump building a wall. Medicare is made for older people approaching the end of their life. It is not structured or costed out to deal with younger people and their health concerns. I think things need to be studied and a dual system should be looked at for implementation.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 7, 2019 18:28:36 GMT -5
I actually don't "know" anything. I know accusations. He is a cheating asshole, yes. So was Bill Clinton but people overlooked that. He has been accused of rape. So was Bill Clinton, but people overlooked that. What I know is that if it is between Trump and a progressive agenda, Trump will be getting my vote. I do not personally like the man but me liking a person does not mean I do not think he is the lesser of two evils. I am also not a feminist. I am curious how a feminist could vote for Bill or Hillary. But no feminists have been willing to answer that question. I don't know much about Clinton, but I know she is a lifelong feminist. her first visible, public "issue" was in Arkansas, when she refused to take her husband's name after they were married. she eventually capitulated, under pressure. that makes her a weak feminist, which we have seen over and over again, but she is as much a feminist as most, imo.
Ha! Here, your legal name is the name you were born with. Women don't take their husband's name. Husbands may come and go, but your name stays the same. Quebec is not just militantly secular, but militantly pro-female.
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Post by ednkris on Nov 7, 2019 21:43:09 GMT -5
you mean accused, not charged, not found guilty. Please do every american a favor and stay off a jury duty you just don't get how it works "ednkris"...we've done this numerouse times...he raped a thirteen year old prostitute numerouse times...had a witness too but with his wealth , influence and threats...victim kind of disappeared after two different accusations...also the former wife e too... There are plenty of articles ..just not up to searching for them again...been done here many times.. Lets face it..your guru is a {oink, oink}...hands down, no question of...I know it..u know it...Your still a supporter? Your business.. also dropped charges after million {s} $ settlement...condo, child payments etc....His admitted payment of $160,000 payment to hooker to keep quiet...who knows over the years how many more such incidents.. That you are so desperate to over look your guru's faults ...a rapest for god sake...is your problem...I pity u . We have been over this numerous times and you still go from accused to guilty with no proof. You brought up his weath well I say he is accused for his money. As for paying off a hooker who cares it's none of our business anyways. You are so blinded with hate for Trump I pity you so sad
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Post by dezii on Nov 8, 2019 8:22:15 GMT -5
"ednkris"...we've done this numerouse times...he raped a thirteen year old prostitute numerouse times...had a witness too but with his wealth , influence and threats...victim kind of disappeared after two different accusations...also the former wife e too... There are plenty of articles ..just not up to searching for them again...been done here many times.. Lets face it..your guru is a {oink, oink}...hands down, no question of...I know it..u know it...Your still a supporter? Your business.. also dropped charges after million {s} $ settlement...condo, child payments etc....His admitted payment of $160,000 payment to hooker to keep quiet...who knows over the years how many more such incidents.. That you are so desperate to over look your guru's faults ...a rapest for god sake...is your problem...I pity u . We have been over this numerous times and you still go from accused to guilty with no proof. You brought up his weath well I say he is accused for his money. As for paying off a hooker who cares it's none of our business anyways. You are so blinded with hate for Trump I pity you so sad Of course there is no proof , money and power definitely are powerful tools to influence others ...also prostitution was / is a criminal act in most locals and threat of imprisonment to a thirteen year old is not, to such a person, not a inconsentential threat. However there are plenty of articles on the topic...see one below, many more available ..also on his rape of the former wife that was then settled financially by her .. so her accusation dropped. Doesn't mean the event{s }did not happen. The pity feeling u mention does go both ways...As far as the hate thing.."despicable " seems to be more appropriate to me... I didn't even hate those trying to do away with me back in the day...that little dust up of my youth that your guru paid off a Doctor to medically excuse him from possible entering. The man u love.... {Fact is, with his education and degree and strong political connections..he probably would have stayed state side..possible as a housing officer at Ft Dix .} ============================= www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 8, 2019 9:03:23 GMT -5
"ednkris"...we've done this numerouse times...he raped a thirteen year old prostitute numerouse times...had a witness too but with his wealth , influence and threats...victim kind of disappeared after two different accusations...also the former wife e too... There are plenty of articles ..just not up to searching for them again...been done here many times.. Lets face it..your guru is a {oink, oink}...hands down, no question of...I know it..u know it...Your still a supporter? Your business.. also dropped charges after million {s} $ settlement...condo, child payments etc....His admitted payment of $160,000 payment to hooker to keep quiet...who knows over the years how many more such incidents.. That you are so desperate to over look your guru's faults ...a rapest for god sake...is your problem...I pity u . We have been over this numerous times and you still go from accused to guilty with no proof. You brought up his weath well I say he is accused for his money. As for paying off a hooker who cares it's none of our business anyways. You are so blinded with hate for Trump I pity you so sad A significant number of people have the same feelings for Hillary.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 8, 2019 9:09:26 GMT -5
That is a mouthful right there...how true. Just getting the "right" judges in is worth voting for Trump. At least this way if another liberal nut job get in or worse a nightmare like Hillary actually wins the country can take solace that we have some chance of keeping the country somewhat normal. "we have some chance of keeping the country somewhat normal."
I take it u mean a "normal country" of right winged, card carrying neo natzi , black and brown haters...white supremacist......That may be your idea of normal....not mine and those I associate with...I grant u that we have to many such types in the country but before Trump, they did not have a important spokesperson and supporter... Their typical spokes people were more along the lines of the Father Coughlin types of the late 1930's ...till Dec 7th...he then disappeared ...Governor Wallace...Herr Duke...never before a POTUS... I see u have a notorious follower...haven't heard from her in a long time...I am from the school that believes who one associates with says a lot about a person...Just saying. You forgot keeping women in their place, as is the god-given order of things.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 8, 2019 9:22:49 GMT -5
"She was extremely polarizing "
Seriously....how so? I guess I missed that...I know the arguments put forth, Bengasi..White Water...Suicide of a aid to Bill...her staying with Bill because of the Monica thing...her wardrobe. Pantsuits...her voice...Server problem..{not quite sure what a server is or the problems nationally of one} E mails missing..{figure a person in her position would have many, many e mails... Guess none of those topics ever bothered me...especially since millions were spent investigating questionable ones...white water, the suicide, e mails , server and what ever.. I am sure if I looked deeply into her actions over the years I am sure there were some things I disagreed with but I wasn't looking for a life time partner...or a saint. Just interested in a intelligent, {she is}..experienced in how our government runs..{definitely as a two term Senator , and supposedly a respected one, even from those across the aisle as it was reported she was, articulate {she is} plus seemed to be a good mother, did a good job as first Lady for eight years...with all that, it was easy for me to vote for her and support her candency.. After the Soap Opera of the past three years, I know she would have been a better choice to be POTUS then the one we have now, with out going over his obvious screw ups... She was polarizing because she wore pants and there are a bunch of unfounded rumors that she killed 50 people. Also, there were plenty of things that were painstakingly investigated by Republicans that were never proven (and often categorically dispriven), but many think she is still guilty. Because innocent until.proven guilty only applies to the GOP. I am a conservative and I believe that innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone. And as a woman, I wear pants so why would I dislike her for that? I do think the "Pantsuit Nation" was kind of strange, but then I also thought wearing pink hats made women look juvenile and is the kind of thing that keeps women from being taken seriously (that is not a platform, just my thoughts as a "non-feminist" but strong woman who doesn't want to be laughed at because of the actions of other women). Hillary is just as polarizing as trump. To blame it on sexism is just as bad as her refusing to accept responsibility for losing the election. You have to work pretty hard to lose an election to Trump, of all people. He is also extremely polarizing (is that also sexist or only when a woman is considered polarizing?). It was truly an election of votes against candidates. While I can't say there are no die-hard trump or Hillary fans, a good portion of people held their nose and voted against one of the candidates (which also includes the third party votes). We need to stop blaming race when people don't like a black candidate (I obviously am no fan of a lot of Obama's policies) or sex when people don't like female candidates (there would be very little of Hillary's platform that would align with what I want for my country...has zero to do with her having a vagina).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 8, 2019 9:30:06 GMT -5
She was polarizing because she wore pants and there are a bunch of unfounded rumors that she killed 50 people. Also, there were plenty of things that were painstakingly investigated by Republicans that were never proven (and often categorically dispriven), but many think she is still guilty. Because innocent until.proven guilty only applies to the GOP. Agreed. She has also been polarizing because she does not want to act feminine and her skills are elsewhere. Some wanted to take that as she disapproved of other woman's choices, but I think that was projecting. Also, it seems many of th e male conservative posters prefer looks over qualifications when it comes to female politicians. I'm not going to get into what makes her so polarizing. It seems some on the left will only see it as sexism and nothing more. It is a waste of time to continue to debate it. I will, however, discuss the bolded comment. Qualifications do not mean that she will get votes from people that do not align with her political beliefs. If you look at Hillary's platform it did not align with what I wanted for my country. there are extremely smart people on both sides of the aisle but we need to take a look at where they want to take our country when placing our votes. I know there were plenty of people talking up Elizabeth Warren. I am fundamentally opposed to her plans for our country, so regardless of her education or qualifications, she will not get my vote. But I suspect I will be accused of being sexist because I didn't vote for the one with a vagina (if she gets the nomination)...and that is just sad.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 8, 2019 9:33:11 GMT -5
She was polarizing because she wore pants and there are a bunch of unfounded rumors that she killed 50 people. Also, there were plenty of things that were painstakingly investigated by Republicans that were never proven (and often categorically dispriven), but many think she is still guilty. Because innocent until.proven guilty only applies to the GOP. I am a conservative and I believe that innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone. And as a woman, I wear pants so why would I dislike her for that? I do think the "Pantsuit Nation" was kind of strange, but then I also thought wearing pink hats made women look juvenile and is the kind of thing that keeps women from being taken seriously (that is not a platform, just my thoughts as a "non-feminist" but strong woman who doesn't want to be laughed at because of the actions of other women). Hillary is just as polarizing as trump. To blame it on sexism is just as bad as her refusing to accept responsibility for losing the election. You have to work pretty hard to lose an election to Trump, of all people. He is also extremely polarizing (is that also sexist or only when a woman is considered polarizing?). It was truly an election of votes against candidates. While I can't say there are no die-hard trump or Hillary fans, a good portion of people held their nose and voted against one of the candidates (which also includes the third party votes). We need to stop blaming race when people don't like a black candidate (I obviously am no fan of a lot of Obama's policies) or sex when people don't like female candidates (there would be very little of Hillary's platform that would align with what I want for my country...has zero to do with her having a vagina). What besides her fictional crimes was polarizing about her. She had moderate views on taxes and healthcare. She was pro-business. She wanted to work on immigration reform, but didn't want to have open borders. She didn't tout free tuition, student loan forgiveness or government funded child care. I'm not sure what she said that was so polarizing. I will grant she was annoying, but her policies were definitely not extreme. Trump is polarizing because his positions are extreme and he is a dick.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 8, 2019 9:46:57 GMT -5
The EC is all that matters. She picked up the very liberal states and lost most others. That gives her the popular vote and not the EC. And she lost my state by a whopping 44k votes. I'm saying if she wasn't such a polarizing bitch, she probably would have won. She picked up 68% of the economy. Keep trashing that at your peril. The republic would never survive a second term. I have very limited expectations on it surviving the first one. I have no idea what you are trying to say. I'm assuming a typo but I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I'm trashing.
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Post by dezii on Nov 8, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
I am a conservative and I believe that innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone. And as a woman, I wear pants so why would I dislike her for that? I do think the "Pantsuit Nation" was kind of strange, but then I also thought wearing pink hats made women look juvenile and is the kind of thing that keeps women from being taken seriously (that is not a platform, just my thoughts as a "non-feminist" but strong woman who doesn't want to be laughed at because of the actions of other women). Hillary is just as polarizing as trump. To blame it on sexism is just as bad as her refusing to accept responsibility for losing the election. You have to work pretty hard to lose an election to Trump, of all people. He is also extremely polarizing (is that also sexist or only when a woman is considered polarizing?). It was truly an election of votes against candidates. While I can't say there are no die-hard trump or Hillary fans, a good portion of people held their nose and voted against one of the candidates (which also includes the third party votes). We need to stop blaming race when people don't like a black candidate (I obviously am no fan of a lot of Obama's policies) or sex when people don't like female candidates (there would be very little of Hillary's platform that would align with what I want for my country...has zero to do with her having a vagina). What besides her fictional crimes was polarizing about her. She had moderate views on taxes and healthcare. She was pro-business. She wanted to work on immigration reform, but didn't want to have open borders. She didn't tout free tuition, student loan forgiveness or government funded child care. I'm not sure what she said that was so polarizing. I will grant she was annoying, but her policies were definitely not extreme. Trump is polarizing because his positions are extreme and he is a dick. "he is a dick. "
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 8, 2019 11:59:40 GMT -5
I am a conservative and I believe that innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone. And as a woman, I wear pants so why would I dislike her for that? I do think the "Pantsuit Nation" was kind of strange, but then I also thought wearing pink hats made women look juvenile and is the kind of thing that keeps women from being taken seriously (that is not a platform, just my thoughts as a "non-feminist" but strong woman who doesn't want to be laughed at because of the actions of other women). Hillary is just as polarizing as trump. To blame it on sexism is just as bad as her refusing to accept responsibility for losing the election. You have to work pretty hard to lose an election to Trump, of all people. He is also extremely polarizing (is that also sexist or only when a woman is considered polarizing?). It was truly an election of votes against candidates. While I can't say there are no die-hard trump or Hillary fans, a good portion of people held their nose and voted against one of the candidates (which also includes the third party votes). We need to stop blaming race when people don't like a black candidate (I obviously am no fan of a lot of Obama's policies) or sex when people don't like female candidates (there would be very little of Hillary's platform that would align with what I want for my country...has zero to do with her having a vagina). What besides her fictional crimes was polarizing about her. She had moderate views on taxes and healthcare. She was pro-business. She wanted to work on immigration reform, but didn't want to have open borders. She didn't tout free tuition, student loan forgiveness or government funded child care. I'm not sure what she said that was so polarizing. I will grant she was annoying, but her policies were definitely not extreme. Trump is polarizing because his positions are extreme and he is a dick. I will give you that Trump is a dick and that is a large part of why he is so polarizing. People don't like Trump. But people also don't like Hillary. I have my reasons for not liking her as a person and other people have their reasons for either loving or really disliking her (there seems to be no in-between with her). But to be clear, I would have voted for her if her policies and vision aligned with mine. I don't vote on personality. I have said this before but if I had to have drinks and hang out with either Obama or Trump, I'm totally picking Obama. But I would never in a million years vote for him. But that is me. There are plenty of people who can't overlook the fact that they just don't like someone and can't vote for them. And that is why I say she would have won if more people actually liked her. Just like I think a large part of why Obama won the first time is because he was young and very likable as a person.
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Post by souldoubt on Nov 8, 2019 12:53:11 GMT -5
To me Hillary is a career politician who comes off like a robot. When she tried to relate to people it usually fell flat like the 'my abuela' thing and made her seem even less genuine. Had she not ignored middle America I think she could have won but that assumes she could find some way to come off as believable, likable or at least tolerable to those voters. Like Miss T Obama is someone I'd gladly have a beer with and he's a likable guy which I think helped him in 2008. I'd even grab a beer with Bush but I don't think him or Obama were great presidents.
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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2019 12:58:46 GMT -5
I see Bloomberg entered the race.
So we could have a presidential race between two NYC billionaires who don't give a crap about the average person. Lovely.
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