Let's look at Christine Ford's highschool yearbook

[billisonboard]

Oct 1, 2018 6:49:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

... It's not about what is best for the country, it's what will get me re-elected... ...

What you are saying here is that doing what is best for the country will not gain a person the majority of votes in the next election. So whose fault is that?

[thyme4change]

Sept 30, 2018 22:24:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 30, 2018 22:14:02 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Now is not the time to politicize this.

Maybe you shouldn't have posted this:

"More likely a white guy with an arsenal of guns will take us out."

psst...I was mocking the people who never want to talk about gun violence...

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2018 6:49:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Sept 30, 2018 21:55:49 GMT -5 whitney said:

Seriously though ,  I have some faith in the younger generation and somehow I think over all they don't have that same need to go back to be as controlling and do not have the same fear internally to  maintain what was rather than get more creative to evolve into a future that can be better in our country for more of us.

I wonder sometimes if some leader within the less tainted and rigid group will come along that kind of has that Bobby Kennedy kind of thinking ...

you know ....Some men see things as they are, and ask why. I dream of things that never were, and ask why not. www.brainyquote.com/quotes/robert_kennedy_745915

Some leader with that vision that can unite and excite us as nation again ,  someone that has lived  through a life event where despite being human so never perfect but able to have a compasssion very deep for all of us along with that special kind of it factor and great leadership abilities and an unusual type of intellect while reaching the common man and the struggling man too. Less selfish would not hurt I think either.

As long as there is not campaign reform, DC will never change.  The lobbyist rule this country, why we don't understand that is beyond me....both sides, one is as corrupt as the other.  It's not about what is best for the country, it's what will get me re-elected...so I can become one of the entitled elite.

What is hard to see, unless you see the world through the lens of a certain type of powerful man—like Trump, like McConnell—is that the picture that has emerged about Kavanaugh’s past, far from marking him as unfit, signals that he is trustworthy. It shows that Kavanaugh is there for the guys. Most of all, he knows how the world works: Ordinary rules are for ordinary people. They do not apply to the entitled elite—and he will fight to keep it that way.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/why-do-republicans-still-support-brett-kavanaugh/571699/

I should be worried about Roe and stuff, but the most damaging thing that has gone through the Supreme Court has been Citizen's United, and I don't know why anyone who doesn't own and run their own large corporation is okay with that ruling. If we could get everybody to understand that ruling, we could fix a lot of things.

[tbop77]

Oct 1, 2018 7:25:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 1, 2018 6:49:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

... It's not about what is best for the country, it's what will get me re-elected... ...

What you are saying here is that doing what is best for the country will not gain a person the majority of votes in the next election. So whose fault is that?

The American voting public.  We do have a say, we are just so partisan to realize what has happened to our country.  We have no one to blame but ourselves.  I remember reading an article where Ted Cruz was astonished when he got to DC how much of his time was to be spent fund raising.  Raising large sums of money will get your re-elected.  Look at Mitch McConnell's war chest.  How can any decent citizen run against him?  When he pledged that only thing he was going to work on when President Obama was elected was to make him a one term president...what other job would that be acceptable? 

United we stand, divided we fall keeps running through my head.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2018 7:46:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 30, 2018 22:24:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Maybe you shouldn't have posted this:

"More likely a white guy with an arsenal of guns will take us out."

psst...I was mocking the people who never want to talk about gun violence...

But wouldn't that be politicizing it?

I thought you were referring to the Las Vegas shooting when you posted it. I just put out the one year reminder of the one year anniversary of a white guy committing mass murder with an arsenal of weapons.

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2018 8:54:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 1, 2018 7:46:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

psst...I was mocking the people who never want to talk about gun violence...

But wouldn't that be politicizing it?

I thought you were referring to the Las Vegas shooting when you posted it. I just put out the one year reminder of the one year anniversary of a white guy committing mass murder with an arsenal of weapons.

I think we are missing each other here. I was speaking generally about how white American citizens are more dangerous than international terrorists, and Vegas has a lot to add to that statistic. I was sarcastically repeating the people who say it shouldn't be politicized because they are too chicken to talk about guns, or really anything else.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2018 11:30:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 1, 2018 8:54:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

But wouldn't that be politicizing it?

I thought you were referring to the Las Vegas shooting when you posted it. I just put out the one year reminder of the one year anniversary of a white guy committing mass murder with an arsenal of weapons.

I think we are missing each other here. I was speaking generally about how white American citizens are more dangerous than international terrorists, and Vegas has a lot to add to that statistic. I was sarcastically repeating the people who say it shouldn't be politicized because they are too chicken to talk about guns, or really anything else.

Gotcha. I believe we are on the same page.

[jkapp]

Sept 29, 2018 18:05:18 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Sept 29, 2018 17:50:30 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

If he had at least said "I don`t remember. I was drunk. If I did it, I sincerely apologize" then that would be one thing.

However, he was aggressive, belligerent, suspicious, evasive, condescending, hostile, weeping and paranoid, blaming the democrats like it's some kind of Grand Conspiracy.
That alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court.
He's an asshole.

If he had said that, the vote would be headed to the floor without the investigation.  He had to scream, yell, cry and display his naked partisanship in a tantrum.

YEah, right.  The left still living in their alternate reality, I see? If he had said that, the left would be condemning him for admitting he may have done it.

The basic point of all this drama:  The democrats don't want Kavanaugh to be in the SC.  They will look to anything to stop it.  Nothing he could do or say would change that in any way.  So stop with the bullshit "if he had done this, it would all be different" stuff. 

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2018 18:31:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 18:05:18 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

If he had said that, the vote would be headed to the floor without the investigation.  He had to scream, yell, cry and display his naked partisanship in a tantrum.

YEah, right.  The left still living in their alternate reality, I see? If he had said that, the left would be condemning him for admitting he may have done it.

The basic point of all this drama:  The democrats don't want Kavanaugh to be in the SC.  They will look to anything to stop it.  Nothing he could do or say would change that in any way.  So stop with the bullshit "if he had done this, it would all be different" stuff. 

if Team Red had chosen a better candidate, this would not be an issue.

and yeah, i am naiive enough to believe that, to save you the trouble of asking.

[whitney]

well even Mitch warned of this nominee could be problematic

there were other options that he advised would not be as problematic

judge G was known as a decent guy at the same boys prep 

he was able to have the character and probably more parental supervision and other things and he is now on the supreme court without taint

[NastyWoman]

Now what happens to kav if the FBI proves that in fact he has been lying his lily white ass off? Will the Rs still try to push the nomination through? Or, let's assume that they can't risk the blow back on this and they don't will that be the end of it or will kav , because he lied his lily white ass off to congress, be removed from his current position as well?

Believe me, I won't shed a tear should that happen.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2018 19:55:27 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Now what happens to kav if the FBI proves that in fact he has been lying his lily white ass off? Will the Rs still try to push the nomination through? Or, let's assume that they can't risk the blow back on this and they don't will that be the end of it or will kav , because he lied his lily white ass off to congress, be removed from his current position as well?

Believe me, I won't shed a tear should that happen.

he's toast, imo.

[whitney]

they are getting desparate , now the skirt they behind they have writing about that of which she is counter to all the cream of the crop experts that have been stating dr ford was just about as credible as anyone can get , so very credible. the skirt is pushing the talking points that someone that does not have any expertise at all which can sound good if there is not an interest in sincere credibility and mitch and and fall in liners are pushing the b s. 

[Opti]

Oct 1, 2018 18:31:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 18:05:18 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

If he had said that, the vote would be headed to the floor without the investigation.  He had to scream, yell, cry and display his naked partisanship in a tantrum.

YEah, right.  The left still living in their alternate reality, I see? If he had said that, the left would be condemning him for admitting he may have done it.

The basic point of all this drama:  The democrats don't want Kavanaugh to be in the SC.  They will look to anything to stop it.  Nothing he could do or say would change that in any way.  So stop with the bullshit "if he had done this, it would all be different" stuff. 

That's a cute talking point, but its BS. This isn't dreamed up drama. This is someone coming forward because they believe a candidate had a serious character flaw because of actions in the past. Unless someone is poor, I don't think there is enough money any party could come up with to make any sane woman come forward with a made up story like this. That's just some weird belief that has taken over the less discerning conservatives. Because if they really thought it through, they'd realize why its not worth it.

Let's be real, if anyone was to do anything to stop it would be wickedly simple. Kill him. Bullet, poison, whatever. But that's not happening is it? He's alive and out of control. So no, as usual the absolutist remarks and ideas are wrong. Kavanaugh would have had to do something different from the start. For me, at the hearing it was too late. There are other conservative or even moderate judges. Get one of them instead and cut this one loose. The added benefit is the wackos issuing death threats all around will stop, and those involved can move on.

[whitney]

just heard police report 1985 bar fight drunk kav

will have to check out if valid

[weltschmerz]

Oct 1, 2018 20:21:38 GMT -5 whitney said:

just heard police report 1985 bar fight drunk kav

will have to check out if valid

The interwebs are exploding over this.
Evidently, a patron told Kav's group to stop staring at him, and in response, Kav threw a drink in his face.


www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/nyt-police-kavanaugh-bar-fight/index.html


No self-control then and no self-control now.

[Gardening Grandma]

It’s valid according to the NYT

The incident, which occurred in September 1985 during Mr. Kavanaugh’s junior year, resulted in Mr. Kavanaugh and four other men being questioned by the New Haven Police Department. Mr. Kavanaugh was not arrested, but the police report stated that a 21-year-old man accused Mr. Kavanaugh of throwing ice on him “for some unknown reason.”
A witness to the fight said that Chris Dudley, a Yale basketball player who is friends with Mr. Kavanaugh, then threw a glass that hit the 21-year-old man in the ear, according to the police report, which was obtained by The New York Times.
The report said that the victim, Dom Cozzolino, “was bleeding from the right ear” and was treated at a hospital. A detective was notified of the incident at 1:20 a.m.

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/us/politics/kavanaugh-bar-fight.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

[whitney]

Well then , that settles it , he was indeed a choir boy

[whitney]

thinking he could be priest material

[whitney]

it blows my mind that the nominee was not just honest to begin with

so he shot himself in the foot in the area of credibility 

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2018 20:44:38 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

It’s valid according to the NYT

The incident, which occurred in September 1985 during Mr. Kavanaugh’s junior year, resulted in Mr. Kavanaugh and four other men being questioned by the New Haven Police Department. Mr. Kavanaugh was not arrested, but the police report stated that a 21-year-old man accused Mr. Kavanaugh of throwing ice on him “for some unknown reason.”
A witness to the fight said that Chris Dudley, a Yale basketball player who is friends with Mr. Kavanaugh, then threw a glass that hit the 21-year-old man in the ear, according to the police report, which was obtained by The New York Times.
The report said that the victim, Dom Cozzolino, “was bleeding from the right ear” and was treated at a hospital. A detective was notified of the incident at 1:20 a.m.

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/us/politics/kavanaugh-bar-fight.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

I lived in New Haven 1978-1991. I lived by Yale U and its campus. I went to Demery's several times (easy walk) in the early 80s and it was a rough bar certain nights back then.

Found this article describing Demery's. Article was written November 10, 2017, well before Kavanaugh came into the picture. Description of Demery's and the activity in and around the bar and outside of it about halfway down the article.

Memories and Demery’s: Yale’s Heavy Hand Over One Broadway

[Tennesseer]

Just saw my link above is also a link within Gardening Grandma's above link.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2018 20:44:38 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

It’s valid according to the NYT

The incident, which occurred in September 1985 during Mr. Kavanaugh’s junior year, resulted in Mr. Kavanaugh and four other men being questioned by the New Haven Police Department. Mr. Kavanaugh was not arrested, but the police report stated that a 21-year-old man accused Mr. Kavanaugh of throwing ice on him “for some unknown reason.”

this is a very damaging report for TWO reasons.

1) it shows how far off the temperament mark he is

2) it validates the statement pulled off the internet

he really should be toast.  but he might not be.  thanks GOP.  you're doing a wonderful job.

[whitney]

i can't imagine chief justice roberts is jumping for joy if this guy is forced on the court by the gop now that the guy has made it clear ( even clearer than before ) that he rabidly hates a good portion of the the usa populace so the court becomes increasingly less credible despite already having a problem that way at least from the gore v bush debacle .  supposedlly chief justice roberts had concerns about this before this situation.

so the electoral college means a minority of the populace gets to force their will on the majority of the populace. the electoral college and the original purpose needs to reevaluated.  seems like some peoples votes count more than other peoples votes ,  maybe we just go back to identifying some in the in crowd and some in the out crowd and go back to a system akin to when the black man got a fractional vote.

maybe i just don't get it.

[djAdvocate]

nah.  you get it.

[billisonboard]

Oct 1, 2018 23:41:59 GMT -5 whitney said:

... go back to a system akin to when the black man got a fractional vote.
...

FWIW, the United States never had system in which "the black man got a fractional vote".

[whitney]

 ok

was thinking of when black slave considered 3/5 person under the constitution for purposes of determining a state's electoral vote count and house representation