Let's look at Christine Ford's highschool yearbook

[Gardening Grandma]

Sept 29, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 13:19:50 GMT -5 dezii said:

Yes there is...when asked for a % of certainly how sure she was it was the Judge ..she replied 100%...and said it forcefully and yes he said the same later in the day...because he watched her testimony and then copied her response...very obvious...just another nail in his coffin..ail driven by himself.

So her 100% is believable but his isn't? So you are just discriminatory towards men?

And how is it people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit when there are eye witnesses that say he/she did do it?  Were the witnesses lying?

 No, just discriminatory towards those who have already been shown to be liars.  Besides, she took a polygraph - the results were given to the panel.

[dezii]

Sept 29, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 13:19:50 GMT -5 dezii said:

Yes there is...when asked for a % of certainly how sure she was it was the Judge ..she replied 100%...and said it forcefully and yes he said the same later in the day...because he watched her testimony and then copied her response...very obvious...just another nail in his coffin..ail driven by himself.

So her 100% is believable but his isn't? So you are just discriminatory towards men?

And how is it people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit when there are eye witnesses that say he/she did do it?  Were the witnesses lying?

"So her 100% is believable but his isn't?"

Yep!.....

[jkapp]

Sept 29, 2018 17:13:00 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Sept 29, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

So her 100% is believable but his isn't? So you are just discriminatory towards men?

And how is it people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit when there are eye witnesses that say he/she did do it?  Were the witnesses lying?

 No, just discriminatory towards those who have already been shown to be liars.  Besides, she took a polygraph - the results were given to the panel.

No ones saying she doesn't BELIEVE he did it. The problem is it can't be proven...there's no corroboration. 

If someone believed you has harmed them but you didn't, would you accept everyone else believing you did?

[Gardening Grandma]

Sept 29, 2018 17:17:23 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 17:13:00 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

 No, just discriminatory towards those who have already been shown to be liars.  Besides, she took a polygraph - the results were given to the panel.

No ones saying she doesn't BELIEVE he did it. The problem is it can't be proven...there's no corroboration. 

If someone believed you has harmed them but you didn't, would you accept everyone else believing you did?

If I had already been shown to have lied about other things, I would not expect to be believed.
Do you think she just made it up?  And knowing she'd be the target of death threats, have her name, reputation, family drug through the mud, still come forward?

This is why you call for an investigation.  Duh

[Gardening Grandma]

Every time Ford and Kavanaugh dodged a question, in one chart

I don't know how to insert the chart, but it's here

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/28/17914308/kavanaugh-ford-question-dodge-hearing-chart

[weltschmerz]

If he had at least said "I don`t remember. I was drunk. If I did it, I sincerely apologize" then that would be one thing.

However, he was aggressive, belligerent, suspicious, evasive, condescending, hostile, weeping and paranoid, blaming the democrats like it's some kind of Grand Conspiracy.
That alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court.
He's an asshole.

[Gardening Grandma]

Sept 29, 2018 17:50:30 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

If he had at least said "I don`t remember. I was drunk. If I did it, I sincerely apologize" then that would be one thing.

However, he was aggressive, belligerent, suspicious, evasive, condescending, hostile, weeping and paranoid, blaming the democrats like it's some kind of Grand Conspiracy.
That alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court.
He's an asshole.

If he had said that, the vote would be headed to the floor without the investigation.  He had to scream, yell, cry and display his naked partisanship in a tantrum.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 29, 2018 18:05:18 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Sept 29, 2018 17:50:30 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

If he had at least said "I don`t remember. I was drunk. If I did it, I sincerely apologize" then that would be one thing.

However, he was aggressive, belligerent, suspicious, evasive, condescending, hostile, weeping and paranoid, blaming the democrats like it's some kind of Grand Conspiracy.
That alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court.
He's an asshole.

If he had said that, the vote would be headed to the floor without the investigation.  He had to scream, yell, cry and display his naked partisanship in a tantrum.

Exactly! 
.....and that makes him a really stupid asshole.

[Opti]

Sept 29, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Sept 29, 2018 13:19:50 GMT -5 dezii said:

Yes there is...when asked for a % of certainly how sure she was it was the Judge ..she replied 100%...and said it forcefully and yes he said the same later in the day...because he watched her testimony and then copied her response...very obvious...just another nail in his coffin..ail driven by himself.

So her 100% is believable but his isn't? So you are just discriminatory towards men?

And how is it people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit when there are eye witnesses that say he/she did do it?  Were the witnesses lying?

Have you thought about the very large difference between a hearing for a job appointment and an actual court trial?

You have a pretty effed up way at looking at sexual assault. Two or more people are involved. Whether you believe one or more of them, what in the heck does that have to do with discrimination against anyone? That is a crazy way to view the situation. You aren't really paying attention to this at all really are you? There are no "eye" witnesses except those involved. Kava isn't talking, Ford did, and Judge said he will but only if the FBI requires it. Those three are the only people who were involved, in the room. There is no other people to witness. Character witnesses dredged up by the GOP are not eye witnesses.

Your last three sentences really should be deleted. Especially since no one is being convicted of anything in this hearing.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I'm beyond the he said/she said high school question but concerned about the way he handled himself at the committee hearing. Totally unfit to even be a judge with that attitude and bias. Now it comes out that 12 years ago the ABA saw the same traits and didn't recommend him for federal judge.

[OldCoyote]

When he is cleared, I hope he remembers the hate and character assassination from the Left.

Remembers, it acts accordingly!!  They tried to "Poison" him!!    Tried to destroy his life!

See how much you can screw them,, they deserve it!!!!!

[ken a.k.a OMK]

OldCoyote so you are saying if he becomes a SC justice he should remember how the dems treated him and be biased on the court? 

[OldCoyote]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[steff]

if trolling is an art form, the ones we have here can't even draw stick figures. 

[whitney]

And just think his Judge K. belligerent hostile unhinged crazed conspiracy theory laden tirade complete with overt disdain for a large percentage of the nations populace is recorded for our nations history. 

As the replaying of the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas hearing reminds us of one travesty this hearing will remind of us another.

[OldCoyote]

Wooooo Hoooooo  Steff has graced us with her presence!!

[ken a.k.a OMK]

The SC is supposed to be unbiased and apolitical. You should read their responsibilities. Kav has already shown his bias. 

[whitney]

Wow , I found this really interesting in lots of ways but am going to highlight in a second just one section .....

The first part is interviews of a number of experts as to the credibility of Dr Ford on her assault reporting during the recent hearing. There was full consensus from each expert that everything even what she recalled and did not recall and why people at a gathering downstairs very well would not have any memory. That is not something that negated her credibility. Even the assault ( I think Mark Judge as well as Judge K fit in here )  might with the reported alcohol intoxication not have the memory. They also could and for obvious reasons not want to incriminate themselves. One evidently assaulted but the other was an accomplice. Anyway . the experts on just how credible Dr Ford was provide their comments at the link.

And then a expert PhD assoc. professor in the area of the alcohol / drug / social climate /peer effect and sexual violence makes this observation: ( and I think it was what many females felt in a creepy sort of way that the hearing felt like Judge K was revealing an assault in action ).

 

All I can do is speak to the match between the details that were presented during the hearing and what we know about sexual violence perpetrators from the research literature.

Having stated that, there were several moments from Kavanaugh’s testimony that especially caught my attention.

He demonstrated a great deal of hostility during the hearing, especially toward some of the female senators on the committee. He had a contentious exchange with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) at the outset, where he cut her off mid-sentence numerous times. There was also the exchange with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn), which he later apologized for, where he seemingly tried to flip the power differential by turning the question back on her.

The results of hundreds of studies to this point suggest that levels of hostility toward women, which includes a drive to exert power over women, are positively related with levels of sexual violence.

www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ford-testimony-credibility-memory-20180928-story.html#

I think this did it for me , there is no way on this earth that this man should be on the Supreme Court. His behavior disqualified him.  Maybe he needs to get some mental health help ,  it sure feels that way.  He knew or someone told him he deteriorated too much and I think that was a part of his distress. I have no faith whatsoever he won't be put on the court and he can join Clarence Thomas as yet one more  man with hostility toward women and a drive to exert power over them problem.  But the Ol 'boys club that puts these sorts on the Supreme Court don't get it. They need to start getting it.  Our daughters and sons as well as their sons and daughters deserve it.

[OldCoyote]

Yes, If he had said nothing, You all would be yowling about how cold and calculating he was!!!

There is nothing that he can possibly do to please you. 

If he quit,, you would be saying See that proves he did it!!!

If he stays, He will be forever guilty,, even though the four people that she says were there, all deny that "ANY" of them remember "ANY" thing about the ALLEGED party!!

Why is His yearbook so important and hers is not??

[whitney]

Sept 30, 2018 7:09:45 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

        even though the four people that she says were there, all deny that "ANY" of them remember "ANY" thing about the ALLEGED party!!

[whitney]

sorry but here is my post for that section in the post above ...

Maybe if you read the experts in the article and then did even more research on from other actual research driven experts which is not really all that too hard to do , you might learn something.

It is not surprising and not inconsistent with whether or not the assault occurred that there would not be the memory from those at the gathering and the research reveals why . That does not negate the very credible account of the trauma as Dr Ford reported. Not consistent at all. And whether or not even the intoxicated two involved in the likely assault have little or no memory is possible and if they have memory it is not at all surprising they would want to fee up as that is counter to their own interests.

I know and you know the possibility or probability with people out there will be more likely than not to retraumatize the victim, or try too, as that is what what we do to in our culture. ( Look , do not think this could not be the male that experienced a sexual assault and presented in the same or similar way). Most people don't have any interest in understanding some of these very real things as it is too easy to foam at the mouth and not research these things and remaining uneducated as that is the easy thing to do. Also for some maybe for some a baseline of memory , neurology , neurobiology and all that jazz has to be the start of the education. ( I think it is worth the effort ,after all I have kids of both genders and unfortunately the number of people that will have these sorts of trauma is too high and I want to teach my kids to raise the best people I can and I want them to know they can always come to me and not have to keep secret should some trauma happen to them.

it is not Dr Ford that is on trial and it is not Dr Ford's job interview for a lifetime appointment to a position so mighty though the court has become more of a partisan bad joke and less and less a legitamate court as had been intended as those is our government have allowed that happen .No one is entitled to that powerful position.

It would seem people have already made up their minds before anyone opened their mouths at the hearing. Being so partisan and divided in this country has been tearing us apart and some sort of moderation and willingness to no dig in become hostile toward others of varied opinion and background serves no body well.Somewhere along the way too many people learned how to live in others shoes and be fine with that. The senators on the judiciary have no sincere interest in educating themselves and the fbi investigation with the all the WH constraints want to make absolutley sure it remains that way. Shame on them and shame on us for allowing them to be that way as clearly many need to shape up or ship out.

Don't worry , the fix is in to discount and negate the credible victim. That is the plan obviously. And even if there was no overt sabotage at trying to find the truth of course these thngs can be hard to sort out.

I think the nominee as that is the one doing the job interview needs to be the one to person with the highest standard of assurance that the court will be served well.

Look , I have compassion for the nominee and his family. I know it must be terribly hard on them and I am not a mean person. I think though that what I saw in the hearing whether or not their was any issue that involved a Dr Ford or not that the belligerent hostile conspiracy driven tirade and thinking and overt display of just hating and demeaning a whole large percentage of our nations populace is not what is needed on a supreme court. The court needs to get back to having some level of not being some partisan tool to the extent it keeps it serves the country so marginally. I think it needs to start with people getting a grip and being less extreme in thinking whether it be right or be left. I don't want a country that remains in a state of such vitriolic division. I want our diverse nation to work in a bipartisan manner with more moderation and collaboration and focus on really helping the country remain very strong and not so toxic.

[Great]

IMO 
There was something about Dr Ford's demeanor and testimony that was not in alignment.  I'm thinking over the course of 35 +/- years she has somehow re-written her memory of an event and Kavanaugh is getting wrongly accused.
It certainly appears that all of her allegations are unfounded and uncorroborated. 

From day one I suspected this was a politically motivated character assassination and watching the hearing has confirmed my belief that Kavanaugh is an innocent man being wrongly accused. 
The Progressives, Dems, Liberals (whatever they call themselves these days) are looking like a bunch of amateurs  in a low budget soap opera and have made a mockery of the process to confirm a nomination to the supreme court.
I'm guessing the Progressives, Dems, Liberals with their resist and destroy movement have set back the #MeToo movement several years.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Regardless of how it got to this point, during the questioning Kavanaugh demonstrated he isn't fit to be any type of judge. 

[whitney]

Oh Great , Great ,

One  more person unwilling to take the tune to educate yourself so your opinion will remain based on nothing meaningful in terms of the research that counters your ability to come up with an opinion based on nothing of true merit and primarily partisanship.

Sad for all of our children to not take the time to learn something on trauma.  It could be one of your loved one day that some day that people are negating based on  preconceived  ideas , biases and partisanship with all the vilification of large groups of people that probably have more in common with you than you think if you took the time to get out of that mode. All of us need to get out of that mode. We owe to our children and the children of others of our nation.

[whitney]

I agree Ken. The job interview called a hearing of a nominee showed us who he is and we should listen. He was unglued belligerent and hostile and labile and and evasive and with a level of disdain for a large portion of the populace. He was outrageously rude and disrespectful in particular for the female senators. And the crazed conspiracy theory thinking tirade was unglued.

If any of the Congress cared or if the president was even capable of caring it does not take more than a person with a pea for a brain to know this divided nation at each others throats needs a moderating force and probably a good place to start is a centrist or even moderate right nominee to start  putting the USA akin to  humpty dumpty tiogether again.

[Great]

Sept 30, 2018 10:25:57 GMT -5 whitney said:

Oh Great , Great ,

One  more person unwilling to take the tune to educate yourself so your opinion will remain based on nothing meaningful in terms of the research that counters your ability to come up with an opinion based on nothing of true merit and primarily partisanship.

Sad for all of our children to not take the time to learn something on trauma.  It could be one of your loved one day that some day that people are negating based on  preconceived  ideas , biases and partisanship with all the vilification of large groups of people that probably have more in common with you than you think if you took the time to get out of that mode. All of us need to get out of that mode. We owe to our children and the children of others of our nation.

oh whitney, whitney, whitney
don't be so ignorant to believe you have a crystal ball to see into everyone's past and life experiences. It's from my own experiences and trauma that I have learned a lot about through therapy, my own research etc...

Not sure what matchbook cover you got your psychology degree from, but you paid way to much for it!

[Gardening Grandma]

Sept 30, 2018 10:37:41 GMT -5 whitney said:

I agree Ken. The job interview called a hearing of a nominee showed us who he is and we should listen. He was unglued belligerent and hostile and labile and and evasive and with a level of disdain for a large portion of the populace. He was outrageously rude and disrespectful in particular for the female senators. And the crazed conspiracy theory thinking tirade was unglued.

If any of the Congress cared or if the president was even capable of caring it does not take more than a person with a pea for a brain to know this divided nation at each others throats needs a moderating force and probably a good place to start is a centrist or even moderate right nominee to start  putting the USA akin to  humpty dumpty tiogether again.

That right there disqualifies him to be a SCJ.  Even if there weren't multiple accusations of sexual assault.  His utter lack of respect for a US Senator (who happened to be female) is unacceptable.  He wasn't even that rude to the male Democratic senators.

[Value Buy]

Sept 28, 2018 21:12:13 GMT -5 Opti said:

Did the OP post this twice? In a thread and starting one as well?

Yes.
Not against the code of conduct and this deserved it own thread.

[thyme4change]

Conservatives would be best served to just pretend like they care about women, and pretend to hear their concerns. They wouldn't lose face to can this guy and get someone clean, but still super conservative. Hell, find a pro-life, pro-business woman and put her up. They would gain back some support and not give up any actual power. They are being way, way, way too obvious that their one and only goal is to make America a white old boys network again.

[Value Buy]

Sept 28, 2018 21:15:36 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Sept 28, 2018 21:12:13 GMT -5 Opti said:

Did the OP post this twice? In a thread and starting one as well?

Yes

So what?