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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 8, 2018 10:41:42 GMT -5
It's getting harder and harder to separate the satire from the factual reporting...
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2018 10:48:55 GMT -5
It's getting harder and harder to separate the satire from the factual reporting... SatireSatire is a way of making fun of people by using silly or exaggerated language. Politicians are easy targets for satire, especially when they're acting self-righteous or hypocritical. Even though the ridiculous language of satire isn't intended to be taken seriously, well-made satire can use mockery to get at more serious truths. Sometimes satire can even overtake reality: when the television sketch comedy show Saturday Night Live presented a mock debate between Al Gore and George W. Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign season, the satire was so dead-on that it influenced the way people thought of the candidates. Satire
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 8, 2018 11:14:05 GMT -5
It's getting harder and harder to separate the satire from the factual reporting... I initially thought the "oped in NYT from senior white house official....we hide papers from trump to protect the nation" was a satire piece from borowitz or something.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 8, 2018 14:03:49 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty big problem that an anonymous source wrote that piece, and there are literally hundreds of viable potential authors.
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 8, 2018 14:19:36 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty big problem that an anonymous source wrote that piece, and there are literally hundreds of viable potential authors.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 8, 2018 14:35:16 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty big problem that an anonymous source wrote that piece, and there are literally hundreds of viable potential authors. I saw on one story somewhere that while trump is on his own witch hunt looking for who wrote it - he hasn't actually bothered about disputing the content. ?
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Post by Jaguar on Sept 8, 2018 15:17:14 GMT -5
Yes and if the piece was written by John McCain as I read somewhere, then 45 and his minions are chasing ghosts. I'm finding this aspect of it just hilarious.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 8, 2018 15:53:35 GMT -5
It is not McCain. He did not work in the White House and was not part of the administration with day-to-day access to the president or the Oval Office. Too, he was not one to shy away from criticizing Trump if he wished. Finally, the NYT would not run an anonymous piece from someone who had died. The rationale for keeping the author unnamed was to protect his or her job and to get the author's perspective without putting him or her at risk. Whoever wrote that opinion is not thinking it through.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 8, 2018 16:52:57 GMT -5
Be "anonymous" and gutless. Who cares?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2018 17:08:42 GMT -5
Deep.
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Post by steff on Sept 8, 2018 17:19:16 GMT -5
Be "anonymous" and gutless. Who cares? This administration cares or they wouldn't be freaking their shit over it.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 8, 2018 17:33:27 GMT -5
Be "anonymous" and gutless. Who cares? Why is being anonymous gutless? You are just quoting your gutless leader.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2018 21:28:45 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty big problem that an anonymous source wrote that piece, and there are literally hundreds of viable potential authors. Ok ,OK I admit I wrote it!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2018 21:32:53 GMT -5
I doubt the POTUS (ANY POTUS) would allow security cameras in the oval office. Can you imagine Clinton and his interns with cameras?
Supposedly anonymous is a WH staff member, the SS wouldn't stop staff members from freely moving around the WH. I remember when Omarosa worked there, the other staff members complained that she would just walk into meetings (including in the Oval Office) where she hadn't been invited and didn't really have a dog in the hunt.
I think the best thing for Trump to have done was to state he was certain the anonymous ob ed was more fake news and immediately move on to something else. By trying to find who might of written it actually adds credibility to the idea that this was actually written by a staff member and not by the newspaper itself. Mounting a witch hunt inside the WH for the author just demoralizes and frightens his staff. The whole story would have gone away a lot quicker if he ignored it.
Maybe Anonymous IS someone in the Secret Service. No, No, I am not with the SS, but my Wife says I do my best work in the dark!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2018 21:33:39 GMT -5
Be "anonymous" and gutless. Who cares? Why is being anonymous gutless? You are just quoting your gutless leader. Heyyyyy!!
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Post by dezii on Sept 9, 2018 0:29:04 GMT -5
Maybe Anonymous IS someone in the Secret Service. No, No, I am not with the SS, but my Wife says I do my best work in the dark!! Not a biggie BUT the first time was clever and cute..u got the "kudo"...now it is just childish and {yawn] boring...Just saying. ...
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 10, 2018 14:22:28 GMT -5
Ok, so Mueller charging 8 Americans, including the president's national security advisor and two former campaign advisors, plus his lawyer, 13 Russian nationals, 3 related companies, a Russian associate of Manafort's, and 12 Russian intelligence officers of crimes is no big deal?
Cohen admitting that Trump engaged in illegal activities isn't much of a thing, either?
A book by a prize winning journalist documenting how the president's staff think he's an idiot, combined with a Trump senior staff member posting an anonymous editorial claiming there is a parallel administration keeping the WH from doing something horrible didn't both you at all?
The NY State attorneys office's investigation into Trump's business activities - Ho hum?
So, I'm guessing you grew up in a banana republic? Or maybe the son of a mob boss? Someplace where illegal activity and criminal charges were just the cost of doing business? To be honest, it's startling to me that the presidency is as crime ridden and dramatic as the Sopranos. Not used to it, myself.
You should be. It doesn't really change much from administration to administration. Just how it's reported on. Sorry, that's bullshit.
I know you guys who are Trump supporters have to find something to hang your hat on, to excuse why you continue to support him, but trying to claim that this level of corruption is standard for any POTUS is a desperate ploy.
If this level of corruption was present during the Obama era, you know the conservative media, led by Fox news, would have broadcast every inch of it across the largest screens possible. As it was, remember how many endless Hillary investigations the GOP led congress launched, trying to convict her of anything - anything at all - and what a waste of time and tax dollars that was? Yet here we are, just two years into the Trump administration, with >50 people either pled guilty or indicted for criminal activities in Trump's WH or campaign, and Mueller is only starting. The NYC investigation into Trump's business is still gearing up.
Then go back to Bush Jr and Bush Sr - if the 'liberal' media can fabricate stories about a corrupt WH, why were those two president's administrations relatively clean? Why is it only poor, picked on Trump that has been caught thigh deep in swamp water?
Cause he's a fucking alligator, that's why.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 10, 2018 20:27:29 GMT -5
since 1970, Republican presidents have chalked up over 100 indictments. i think Democratic presidents have chalked up less than 5. and yeah, that really sucks for them. but it is not because of bias. it is because of graft. i would like them to deal with it. but rather than doing that, they appear only interested in making this about the judiciary. that is what fascists do.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 11, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 12, 2018 16:24:26 GMT -5
Maybe Anonymous IS someone in the Secret Service. No I am not in the SS. Were he alive today and had the benefit of being able to see history, Freud might have something to say about that answer. But never mind, there are "good people good people on both sides" (paraphrasing dt "bigly")
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 12, 2018 23:33:20 GMT -5
That is why I chose Anonymous Source, as a name,, Yes,I knew you would be quoting me!!
As a highly reliable credible Anonymous Source,, See!!
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Post by swamp on Sept 13, 2018 7:28:59 GMT -5
since 1970, Republican presidents have chalked up over 100 indictments. i think Democratic presidents have chalked up less than 5. and yeah, that really sucks for them. but it is not because of bias. it is because of graft. i would like them to deal with it. but rather than doing that, they appear only interested in making this about the judiciary. that is what fascists do.
I think you should check into how many presidents of each party was a lawyer (or not) since 1970. Might have a wee bit of something to do with it. Richard Nixon (1969-1974) R Lawyer Gerald Ford (1974-1977) R Lawyer Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) D. Not a lawyer Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) R. Not a lawyer George Bush (1989-1993) R. Not a lawyer Bill Clinton (1993-2001) D. Lawyer George W. Bush (2001-2009) R. Not a lawyer Barack Obama (2009-2017) D. Lawyer. Donald Trump (2017- ) R. Not a lawyer. I'm not seeing the correlation.
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Post by Waffle on Sept 13, 2018 8:45:20 GMT -5
swamp Obama is a lawyer, but I still don't know what point @jma23 was trying to make.
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 13, 2018 8:47:11 GMT -5
Nixon & Clinton, both lawyers, had the most problems..."charges"?
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 13, 2018 8:48:52 GMT -5
Maybe rather than look at who is or isn't lawyers, we should look at who has had more lawsuits filed against them outside of any government positions. That would have one clear winner in that category!
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Post by swamp on Sept 13, 2018 9:30:36 GMT -5
swamp Obama is a lawyer, but I still don't know what point @jma23 was trying to make. Thank you. I knew that, I'm not sure what my issue is today.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 13, 2018 10:48:19 GMT -5
Nixon & Clinton, both lawyers, had the most problems..."charges"? There is an interesting chart in here: It compares criminal indictments, convictions, and prison sentences by presidential administration. While the author admits that it is not entirely thorough, since he relied on Wikipedia's list of presidential scandals and then limited that to the executive branch scandals that resulted in a criminal indictment, the results are still illuminating. In the 28 years of Republican administrations between 1968-2016, there were 120 indictments, 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences. In the 20 years of Democratic presidents, the respective numbers were 3, 1, and 1. Criminal convictions by president show Nixon (55), Reagan (16), and George W. Bush (16) far in front. Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Ford each had one. Carter and Obama had zero. There is also an interesting bit about Bush 41: I am not seeing the lawyer/not a lawyer correlation at all. The true correlation seems to be Republican/not Republican.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 13, 2018 13:48:20 GMT -5
swamp Obama is a lawyer, but I still don't know what point @jma23 was trying to make. I was expanding a point from DJ, as a possible correlation. The whole lawsuit thing, by media echo chamber reasoning, doesn't really mean anything. It's just another one of the useless scare tactics, that only work on the uninformed. It's like a continual liberal media effort, trying to get those base Democrat voters off the couch, and into the voting places. I still haven't "buckled up" for the first one, 2 years ago, lol. Is it anything like the continual far right media effort, trying to get those base Trumpettes off the couch and into the voting places, by fear mongering about hordes of brown people flooding over the borders to rape our white women and steal our jobs?
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Post by dezii on Sept 14, 2018 11:39:25 GMT -5
It seems that former President Jimmy Carter is not a fan of our Donald either....in fact it seems if back in office, would undo just about all of what ever the Donald has initiated...and as most former Presidents try to do...does not like to criticize their recent holders of the office....but in the case of the Donald.... --------------------------------------------------- "Former President Jimmy Carter clearly has no love or respect for the policies of President Donald Trump’s administration. In fact, Carter said he would change “all of” them if he had his time in the White House again, per The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “If I were foolish enough to feel I could be president again, I think the first thing I would do would be to change all of the policies that President Trump has initiated,” Carter told students at an Emory University event in Atlanta on Wednesday." -------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-wouldn-apos-t-104103678.html----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Along with the Former President...Retired Admiral who was in charge of the Ben Laden event in Pakistan, has quit his advisory post at the Pentagon...also in response to the Donalds revoking the security clearance for former General......publicly chastising the President for his political motivating doings....You would think with all these top peoples criticizing..u might think the Donald might get the message...possible his actions are not those of a POTUS ...u would think but not our Donald. I expect him to start tweeting zingers at both men any minute now. ------------------------------------------------------ abcnews.go.com/Politics/bin-laden-raid-commander-resigns-pentagon-board-criticizing/story?id=57817765&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_hero_headlines_headlines_hed
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 14, 2018 12:12:17 GMT -5
Headline:
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