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Post by chiver78 on Apr 2, 2011 13:47:19 GMT -5
What would be for them to recognize? I think the point is that some countries say that you cannot hold dual citizenship, while US does not say that. I think i will apply for Romanian citizenship for my kids though, so that if they ever had to answer as to their intent, then it wasn't theirs, it was mine.. ?.. the other citizenship. it was my reply to a comment someone made about Indonesia not recognizing dual citizenship. I'm not sure what that comment had to do with anything, either. why Romanian? are you of Romanian descent?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 13:48:18 GMT -5
From your post hum:
"According to an April 2000 report by the Congressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the “natural born” requirement. This same CRS report also asserts that citizens born in the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are legally defined as "natural born" citizens and are, therefore, also eligible to be elected President"
So... even if he weren't born in Hawaii (which he was)... he would be natural born...
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 13:51:03 GMT -5
Oped...Links? the constitution is the best but here are some:4 Legal opinions
4.1 James Madison 4.2 John Bingham 4.3 1862 opinion of the U.S. Attorney General 4.4 Dictionaries 4.5 Congressional Research Service 4.6 Academic and legal publications 5 Legislation and executive branch policy 6 Eligibility challenges 6.1 Standing in eligibility challenges 6.2 Presidential candidates whose eligibility was questioned
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 13:53:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 13:58:11 GMT -5
My husband is from Romania. He came to the US about 14 years ago. He is a citizen here, but was not asked to relinquish Romanian citizenship. I don't know that i actually have to apply for citizenship for them, or just apply for them as much as declare them... and apply for passports, etc... I don't know how that works... will check before we go next time.
hum... you said the constitution explained it... the point i was making is that the constitution does not define it...
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:00:33 GMT -5
Yes your husband is a citizen but not a natural born citizen.....He could not hold the office of President of the United States nor be eleigible to run for the office.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:14:01 GMT -5
If Obama was born in Kenya then he had dual citizenship, If he also had citizenship in Indonesia then he had dual citizenship(Barry Sotoro)...These two things alone if they can be proven would disqualify him as President and if they are true then there are many more that should pay for this deception being played out against the American people and the Constitutional laws of this country. If they are proven false then lets get on with life here and just let the voters decide in the next election if he has been or will be a good president for the people of this country. I will not offer my opinion and I think there are those that already know what that is anyway. I did a lot of research during the election and I am convinced of the outcome if this indeed goes to court before a judge that really wants to know the truth and have it come out. Since you say you don't know where my comment concerning Indonesia not recognizing dual citizenship came from, humok, it came from your post above. I've highlighted the remark that elicited my response. For your edification, Kenya doesn't recognize dual citizenship, either. Therefore, even if the president had been born in, or naturalized to one of those countries, he still would not be a dual citizen.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 2, 2011 14:14:37 GMT -5
oped, that's how I hold dual as well - by nature of my birth to a Canadian father. thanks for answering, I was just curious.
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:14:51 GMT -5
Mkitty...Yes I can prove when and where I was born and I have the records or copies thereof....do you?
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:16:55 GMT -5
mmhmm....so you say but his name there was Barry Sotoro and not Barrack Hussein Obama.........
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:21:10 GMT -5
Many of you are correct about citizenship of everyday people but the rules are very different when it comes to "Natural Born" and becoming president.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 2, 2011 14:21:35 GMT -5
Thanks, hummer, and once again, , , ,from your link, the reasoning behind "natural born". Society not being able to subsist and perpetuate itself, but by the children of its citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children, and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 14:23:45 GMT -5
The rules are not very different for our president... you are natural born, you are natural born... fact is Obama was born in Hawaii. He was born to a United States Citizen. He's a narual born citizen...
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:25:22 GMT -5
mmhmm....so you say but his name there was Barry Sotoro and not Barrack Hussein Obama......... Heh. My children often used my second husband's name while going to school, even though it was not their birth name and he had not adopted them. In fact, that was the name they used, by their choice, in Indonesia. As I've said before, you can buy anything you like in Indonesia, up to, and including a birth certificate, proof of citizenship, etc. It's a matter of knowing who to go to and how much to offer. That's how it works there. By the way, the name was not Sotoro. It was . Furthermore, it isn't I saying Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship. It's the laws of the country of Indonesia (and Kenya, for that matter) saying that. They're out there to look up, provided you're interested in knowing what's real and not just knowing what you want to be real.
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:26:39 GMT -5
Ah...I guess I should take your word for it as proof.......Can you prove it? No and if he can then why hasn't he? He has spent a lot of tax-payers money to keep from having to prove it....That in and of itself tells me something is amiss.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:27:47 GMT -5
The rules are not very different for our president... you are natural born, you are natural born... fact is Obama was born in Hawaii. He was born to a United States Citizen. He's a narual born citizen... As has been made quite obvious, oped, those who wish to believe something will find a way to believe that something even if it's totally off-the-wall. Truth isn't what drives them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 14:28:58 GMT -5
Please show me where he spent tax payer money... he has not defended ANY claims to date... all cases have been thrown...
He HAS proven it.. he has shown his birth certificate... it has been verified, repeatedly, by government officials...
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:30:20 GMT -5
mmHmm...I see...Sorry I left out the "e" but it is what it is no matter how you and others try to spin it. Take it through due process and if it stands then so be it. A person that had nothing to hide would not spend so much money and time avoiding providing proff.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:30:52 GMT -5
Ah...I guess I should take your word for it as proof.......Can you prove it? No and if he can then why hasn't he? He has spent a lot of tax-payers money to keep from having to prove it....That in and of itself tells me something is amiss. Take whose word for proof? Look it up. I'm not your mommy. You're as capable of using Google to find the truth as anyone else. It's not my job to do your job. You can believe whatever you like. It's no skin off my nose. As to why the president has chosen not to respond to some of this stupidity, I can't answer for him. I can say, if it were me, I wouldn't respond to it either ... simply because it's too stupid for me to bother. He's provided a Certificate of Live Birth certified by the state of Hawaii. Microfiche is available from 1961 showing the announcement of said birth in the local newspapers. I think he's done all that's necessary for any sentient individual. You mileage may vary.
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:32:51 GMT -5
Birth certificate....Ah you mean the forgery that was posted on the net, or so go the claims. I say lets make the current puppet put up the facts in court or get out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 14:34:27 GMT -5
lmao....
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:34:31 GMT -5
You say those things are available in Hawii but he froze all of those records and 3will not let anyone view them. Why do you think he has done that?
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:37:12 GMT -5
I cannot say either way but would like to see it proven so this crap will go away. It has been over two years and I think it is time to settle it...Just saying...I have never been one to blindly follow the leader.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 14:37:47 GMT -5
Where does it say he froze his records? He released his birth certificate, which has been verified as authentic and an accurate record over and over again, by multiple sources, as well as announcement documentation...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 14:38:19 GMT -5
It is settled... its been proven... if you don't want to accept the truth... nothing i can do for you...
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Post by humok on Apr 2, 2011 14:39:08 GMT -5
Its been fun but I have other pending obligations. "can you see the forest for the trees?"
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:42:57 GMT -5
He did not freeze the records. The governor of Hawaii froze the records pursuant to Hawaiian law which states anyone accessing original birth records of those born in the state must meet specific criteria before being allowed to do so.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:43:40 GMT -5
Yep. I see the forest very well. I also see the trees. Look out for that treeeeeee! Oooops. Too late. Sorry.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2011 14:45:34 GMT -5
I suppose, for humok, microfiche dating back to 1961 is a forgery, too ...
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