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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 7, 2011 8:53:15 GMT -5
Well, I have given my theory numerous times- I believe he was born in the United States, but since he is a kind of petulant child personality he's just not releasing the info because he likes the chaos and confusion it is causing, and he especially likes making fools of people (he thinks) who doubt it. At some point (he believes) he will release his long form birth certificate from Hawaii and (he thinks) in one fell swoop before the next election he will (he thinks) prove all the critics wrong and make them look like fools. It's a classic Alinsky tactic. Don't answer the question, criticize the critic.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 8:53:55 GMT -5
Personally go to everyone's house and show it?
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 7, 2011 8:54:21 GMT -5
WASHINGTON -- Real estate tycoon Donald Trump said Thursday he hopes questions surrounding Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship won't be the defining issue if he's chosen as the Republican candidate to challenge the president's re-election. Trump told NBC News in an interview that plans to decide by June whether to run. He said that if he's nominated, "I'd like to beat him straight up," not on the basis of the birth issue. Trump said he didn't introduce the citizenship issue, but was asked about it during an interview a month ago. Since then, he said he's looked into it and believes "there is a big possibility" Obama may have violated the Constitution. "I want to see the birth certificate," said Trump in an interview on NBC's "Today" show, according to TIME. " How come his own family doesn't know which hospital he was born in? How come-- forget about birth certificates. Let's say there's no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the...in the hospital itself, there's no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn't say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here's your room bill." Officials in Hawaii have certified that Obama was born in that state. But "birthers" have demanded additional proof, asserting he could have been born in Kenya. "I'm not convinced that he has one," Trump said of the birth certificate issue. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/donald-trump-obama-birth-_1_n_845989.html
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 7, 2011 8:54:44 GMT -5
Either that, or he was born in the United States, but he was NOT born "Barrack Hussein Obama". He was born with a traditional name and this is his Muslim name and he doesn't want anyone to know that he is using a Muslim name not his birth name like Cashus Clay and others have done.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 7, 2011 8:57:49 GMT -5
BTW according to my unreliable and irregular sources the Donald's Presidential Votes have gone from @11% to @17% since he jumped on the Birther Train and is riding that train for all it's worth
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 7, 2011 8:59:06 GMT -5
Personally go to everyone's house and show it? ...nah... a couple late night TV talk shows would suffice...
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 7, 2011 9:26:24 GMT -5
didn't we just have 12 pages of discussion about this recently? that doesn't even touch any of the other threads that talked about it too.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 9:28:06 GMT -5
didn't we just have 12 pages of discussion about this recently? ... I don't recall seeing any discussion in those 12 pages.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 7, 2011 9:41:10 GMT -5
didn't we just have 12 pages of discussion about this recently? ... I don't recall seeing any discussion in those 12 pages. haha, I seem to recall an awful lot about why international law should or shouldn't apply in this case.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 10:02:00 GMT -5
Cool. Soon we will have 13 pages of non-discussion all in one place.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 7, 2011 10:15:16 GMT -5
*Sweeping up the board*
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 7, 2011 10:16:52 GMT -5
IM(notso)HO, Trump wants attention. (If a deep-seeded psychological need can be said to be a "want.) Negative attention is still attention I guess.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 10:18:39 GMT -5
*Sweeping up the board* Yeah, but you are still leaving all the dirt in a corner.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 7, 2011 10:23:13 GMT -5
*Sweeping up the board* Yeah, but you are still leaving all the dirt in a corner. I just tossed a rug over it.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 7, 2011 10:45:32 GMT -5
Who would want to work for an employer, , , or for a supervisor , , or alongside another worker, , , that was so secretive and selective about their dealings , , , when those dealings had a direct effect on your future and that of your children and grandchildren, and their grandchildren??
We need a new president. One whose daddy was an American citizen.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Apr 7, 2011 10:56:51 GMT -5
Right, so he changed it to Barrack HUSSEIN Obama because that's such a non-Muslim sounding middle name. You seem to need extra help, and lucky for you I have a few minutes to give it to you. Now if you were born with a Muslim sounding name and wanted to sound non-Muslim, why not change it to, I don't know, Barack Andrew Obama? How about something all American like Barack Baseballandmomsapplepie Obama? When you change your name, you have hundreds of non-Muslim names to choose from-- just look into any of those baby naming books if you don't believe me. I hope this helps. No, those fools were already made long before he came around. You know what's an amazing coincidence(?)? The current "Chief executive Officer of Reynolds Packaging Group" (the makers of such fine products such as Reynolds Wrap) is also named Paul. "Mr. Paul D. Thomas has been Chief executive Officer of Reynolds Packaging Group since February 2008" investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=1448450&privcapId=3809138&previousCapId=3809138&previousTitle=Closure%20Systems%20International,%20Inc. So all your posts are just indirect product endorsements. Wow, you're a lot more clever than I thought, Paul! And now for a commercial break (well, the boards have to pay the bills somehow) with a word from Paul: "Reynolds wrap: it's good for baking and half baked ideas! My name is Paul, and not only am I a client, but I'm also the President." You should brush up on your American history. George Washington was born in a British colony. Except for laws of physics and such, there's always doubt. But the "doubt" of him being born in Hawaii is a lot less than Kenya or anywhere else. Just show us evidence that will lead us to "doubt" less that he was born in whatever foreign country.
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Post by magichat on Apr 7, 2011 11:04:09 GMT -5
Mkitty you read that backwards, sound out the words if it helps.
or he was born in the United States, but he was NOT born "Barrack Hussein Obama". He was born with a traditional name and this is his Muslim name and he doesn't want anyone to know that he is using a Muslim name
Try again and let us know how the crow tastes.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 7, 2011 11:06:46 GMT -5
Mkitty you read that backwards, sound out the words if it helps. or he was born in the United States, but he was NOT born "Barrack Hussein Obama". He was born with a traditional name and this is his Muslim name and he doesn't want anyone to know that he is using a Muslim name Try again and let us know how the crow tastes.
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Post by pepper112765 on Apr 7, 2011 11:16:23 GMT -5
Who would want to work for an employer, , , or for a supervisor , , or alongside another worker, , , that was so secretive and selective about their dealings , , , when those dealings had a direct effect on your future and that of your children and grandchildren, and their grandchildren?? We need a new president. One whose daddy was an American citizen. I guess the mother of this president or any future president doesn't matter to you? How chauvanistic of you. Natural born citizenship, which is defined by Black's Law Dictionary is "a person born within the jurisdiction of a national government" and is based on jus soli (right of the soil). At best, citizenship is a common law deterimation and Obama's state, Hawaii, considers him a natural born citizen. Period. End of Story. He has nothing left to prove to anyone. And, I find it incredulous, that for some's personal agenda, the rules protecting people's privacy, in this instance, the DHHS of Hawaii regarding the dissemination of information of its citizens should be ignored. And yet some of you complain about privacy rights. You can't have it both ways. Finally, the federal government will, in all probability, shut down putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work and the focus is on this nonsense.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 11:24:02 GMT -5
Either that, or he was born in the United States, but he was NOT born "Barrack Hussein Obama". He was born with a traditional name ... First off, no one is "born with (any) name", all names are given after birth. And secondly, what could be more "traditional" than to be named Blah Blah Blah II? or maybe his real name is Major Major Major
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Post by Shirina on Apr 7, 2011 11:56:14 GMT -5
My, my, isn't this interesting. Why is it suddenly necessary to find documents that "back up" his birth certificate? Isn't a birth certificate enough?
I've always said that Birther loons will never be content with any evidence presented by anyone anywhere. If Trump wants to find supporting documents, what will be next? Documents that support the supporting documents? Followed by documents that support the documents that support the supporting documents? Sooner or later, the paper trail on Obama's life will dry up and then one can say, "See? No evidence that Obama is an American!"
Not to mention the logic itself is fallacious. A lack of evidence does not and cannot prove anything. What people really need to be doing is telling the Birthers to prove Obama was born elsewhere by providing a foreign birth certificate. Preferably a certificate not written in crayon nor one that has Obama born in a city that wasn't even a part of Kenya at the time of his birth.
If the Birthers are so certain that Obama is not a US citizen, then why have they failed to produce an alternate birth certificate that proves their allegations?
Is Obama's daddy the president? No? Then the nationality of his father is irrelevant.
And what, pray tell, has he been so secretive about? And if his dealings have been so secretive, how do you know about them? In addition, just how much documentation did you demand from your employer upon taking a job? I can just see it now:
"Certainly, Mr. Smithers, I would love to work for you. However, before I can accept, I must see your birth certificate, your diplomas, your transcripts going back to 6th grade, all of your written assignments, and suchlike. Oh, and as for when I can start, that will be once my private investigators get back to me. I hired a few to snoop around to make sure you're a legitimate employer and not, say, a front for a Mafia money-laundering scheme."
So let's get it all straight. The Birther loons, in addition to believing Obama is foreign-born, also believe that he is a Muslim. Yet, despite him supposedly being Muslim, he proclaims himself to be Christian because, as we all know, one must be a Christian to be elected (even though there is no such provision in the Constitution). Knowing this, and knowing he is trying to bamboozle the American people by faking his Christianity, Obama decides to run for the office of president using his Muslim name.
And this makes perfect sense to you, does it?
It would be equivalent to saying, "I don't want anyone to know that I'm a Christian, but I'm going to run for president with the name Christian Hallelujah McChrist. Do you think I'll get away with it?"
Pssst ... Mr. Trump. It's too late!
Well, there goes all of Trump's credibility. He definitely has sleaze down to an art. Do you know what he reminds me of with that statement?
He reminds me of those evil villains in race cartoons like the Laff'O'Lympics. You know, the villain who always tries to sabotage the other contestants and then pretends he wants a fair race? He's going to milk the Birthers for all they're worth, rekindle the controversy and fire everyone up - then after the water is boiling, he'll accept the nomination for president and lie through his teeth about how his participation in Birther conspiracy garbage had nothing whatsoever to do with his campaign.
Of course it has everything to do with the campaign. He's taking advantage of his indecision to use Birther nonsense to undermine Obama before he is officially nominated (assuming he will be). That's what most people call "greasing the rails." If Trump really wanted to beat Obama "straight up," then he should never have gotten involved with this Birther idiocy to begin with.
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Post by magichat on Apr 7, 2011 12:15:57 GMT -5
Shirina you do realize the President works for us right? The voters? So last time you hired somebody did you ask for a few documents?
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Post by Shirina on Apr 7, 2011 12:22:06 GMT -5
How many employers have ever asked you for an original certificate of live birth? Much less demanded to see college thesis papers or hired investigators to sniff around looking for corroborating evidence to prove your proof.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 7, 2011 12:22:27 GMT -5
Natural born citizenship, which is defined by Black's Law Dictionary is "a person born within the jurisdiction of a national government" If you're trying to say "boundary" (or something that can be defined on a map), I suggest using a word other than "jurisdiction".
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Post by swamp on Apr 7, 2011 12:23:38 GMT -5
Natural born citizenship, which is defined by Black's Law Dictionary is "a person born within the jurisdiction of a national government" If you're trying to say "boundary" (or something that can be defined on a map), I suggest using a word other than "jurisdiction". If you use "boundary", then John McCain wasn't qualified to be president, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. "Jurisdiction" would qualify him.
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Post by magichat on Apr 7, 2011 12:30:28 GMT -5
How many employers have ever asked you for an original certificate of live birth? Much less demanded to see college thesis papers or hired investigators to sniff around looking for corroborating evidence to prove your proof. Just pointing out your backassward thinking about who employs the President. I don't care about the President's place of birth or eligibility.
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Post by Shirina on Apr 7, 2011 12:32:36 GMT -5
You can't see me, of course, but right now, I'm making that zooming motion over my head with my hand - the universal sign language version of, "Damn, my point just went right over your head."
Oh, and one last thing. Take a look at the original quote that I was basing my comment on:
According to this, the issue is working for or hiring someone who is involved in "secret dealings." It doesn't say employers only. If you have issues, my advice is to comment on the original author instead of blaming me simply because I'm "liberal" and the original author is not.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 7, 2011 12:40:27 GMT -5
Yes, but Obama has not provided one. A "certificate of live birth" is not a birth certificate, and all your wishes and candy-coated dreams will never make it one...
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 7, 2011 12:46:52 GMT -5
Shirina you do realize the President works for us right? The voters? So last time you hired somebody did you ask for a few documents? You do realize that the majority of the hiring committee was satisfied with the documentation provided by the person they hired.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 7, 2011 12:51:46 GMT -5
Well, there goes all of Trump's credibility. He definitely has sleaze down to an art.
Ha ha - and Obama was a straight up Joe in the campaign... "Hope", "Choose Hope Over Fear", "Change", "We are at a crossroads..", "In our time..", "Let me be clear" and countless other one line rhetorics that worked exactly as planned, sell a big bunch of nothing to a severely dumbed down populace. Kids thinking their mommy is getting a free house. Yeah, a real credible guy he is.
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