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Post by dezii on Jan 20, 2018 11:30:48 GMT -5
Oh well then. Have fun with your mirror. Rukh....he is not joshing...this IS his belief and feelings...get use to it.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 20, 2018 11:52:51 GMT -5
please check your math. there are more than 50 Republican senators at the moment, enough to have passed this with or without Schumer or any other Democrat's interference. your party has a stranglehold on Congress right now, and couldn't pass this shitty budget for exactly that reason - it's shitty. and let me remind you that the last shutdown happened because the Republicans were bent on dismantling the ACA. please stop blowing smoke up everyone's ass. Needs 60 votes to pass a deal. The reason they were able to get the terrible tax bill through with 51 is because the rules are screwed up. fair enough. but the point still stands that they didn't have ALL of the Republican senators with them on this.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 20, 2018 12:25:09 GMT -5
And they did have several Democrats I believe.
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Post by Poptart on Jan 20, 2018 15:47:13 GMT -5
It needs to go back to the way it was. You need to be healthy and not become a public charge. Plus, you need to be here legally. Go through the immigration process the way others did before you. You mean when Europeans came and took land that did not belong to them? I think people like you are woefully uneducated when it comes to immigration and how the system works. In 2017 it was reported that immigration services was working on applications for green cards from 1997! I have a client who just got her green card- she applied in 1992. White people tend to forget that they are also immigrants, do you know where the term WASP came from? Did you forget how Italians were treated when they set foot in the US, and how about the Irish? Yeah, they totally turned the US into a shithole, right? Some of you people have real selective memories.
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Post by dee27 on Jan 20, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5
It needs to go back to the way it was. You need to be healthy and not become a public charge. Plus, you need to be here legally. Go through the immigration process the way others did before you. You mean when Europeans came and took land that did not belong to them? I think people like you are woefully uneducated when it comes to immigration and how the system works. In 2017 it was reported that immigration services was working on applications for green cards from 1997! I have a client who just got her green card- she applied in 1992. White people tend to forget that they are also immigrants, do you know where the term WASP came from? Did you forget how Italians were treated when they set foot in the US, and how about the Irish? Yeah, they totally turned the US into a shithole, right? Some of you people have real selective memories. It is not an issue of race and other countries have much stricter immigration policies than we do. Why should the US encourage unhealthy, unskilled workers who will not seek employment to emigrate here? The US should protect its own citizens first and then encourage legal immigration for people who want to live here, assimilate and add value to our country. www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/121114/5-hardest-countries-getting-citizenship.aspwww.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-hardest-countries-to-immigrate-into-521729/?singlepage=1
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2018 17:28:18 GMT -5
You mean when Europeans came and took land that did not belong to them? I think people like you are woefully uneducated when it comes to immigration and how the system works. In 2017 it was reported that immigration services was working on applications for green cards from 1997! I have a client who just got her green card- she applied in 1992. White people tend to forget that they are also immigrants, do you know where the term WASP came from? Did you forget how Italians were treated when they set foot in the US, and how about the Irish? Yeah, they totally turned the US into a shithole, right? Some of you people have real selective memories. It is not an issue of race and other countries have much stricter immigration policies than we do. Why should the US encourage unhealthy, unskilled workers who will not seek employment to emigrate here? The US should protect its own citizens first and then encourage legal immigration for people who want to live here, assimilate and add value to our country. www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/121114/5-hardest-countries-getting-citizenship.aspwww.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-hardest-countries-to-immigrate-into-521729/?singlepage=1streamlining immigration would be a great step. however, slamming the door with the immigration system as dysfunctional as it is looks.....well.....racist, really. i don't know what the actual motivation for making it so difficult is. if someone can explain that to me, i am all ears.
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Post by Poptart on Jan 20, 2018 18:06:53 GMT -5
You mean when Europeans came and took land that did not belong to them? I think people like you are woefully uneducated when it comes to immigration and how the system works. In 2017 it was reported that immigration services was working on applications for green cards from 1997! I have a client who just got her green card- she applied in 1992. White people tend to forget that they are also immigrants, do you know where the term WASP came from? Did you forget how Italians were treated when they set foot in the US, and how about the Irish? Yeah, they totally turned the US into a shithole, right? Some of you people have real selective memories. It is not an issue of race and other countries have much stricter immigration policies than we do. Why should the US encourage unhealthy, unskilled workers who will not seek employment to emigrate here? The US should protect its own citizens first and then encourage legal immigration for people who want to live here, assimilate and add value to our country. www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/121114/5-hardest-countries-getting-citizenship.aspwww.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-hardest-countries-to-immigrate-into-521729/?singlepage=1Yes it freaking well is about race. Do you know how many Brits and Australians are here and have over stayed their Visas? But no one even bats an eye at them because they are white, but give me someone of color and suddenly they are unhealthy and unskilled. As the kids would say "B*tch please"- how much of your fruits and vegetables are picked by these unhealthy and unskilled workers? Will any of your pasty friends go out and pick fruit for maybe at best 10.00 an hour? How many will wait tables for barely nothing? How many will go work construction and risk getting injured without having the benefit of getting medical insurance, disability or unemployment? We all benefit from these "unhealthy and unskilled" workers. FYI, I doubt many of the Italians, Polish and Irish that came to the US when almost anyone could get in were 100% healthy and skilled. They just got lucky they were white and got here when immigration was a whole lot easier- especially for those lacking melanin.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 20, 2018 18:31:15 GMT -5
It is not an issue of race and other countries have much stricter immigration policies than we do. Why should the US encourage unhealthy, unskilled workers who will not seek employment to emigrate here? The US should protect its own citizens first and then encourage legal immigration for people who want to live here, assimilate and add value to our country. www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/121114/5-hardest-countries-getting-citizenship.aspwww.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-hardest-countries-to-immigrate-into-521729/?singlepage=1Yes it freaking well is about race. Do you know how many Brits and Australians are here and have over stayed their Visas? But no one even bats an eye at them because they are white, but give me someone of color and suddenly they are unhealthy and unskilled. As the kids would say "B*tch please"- how much of your fruits and vegetables are picked by these unhealthy and unskilled workers? Will any of your pasty friends go out and pick fruit for maybe at best 10.00 an hour? How many will wait tables for barely nothing? How many will go work construction and risk getting injured without having the benefit of getting medical insurance, disability or unemployment? We all benefit from these "unhealthy and unskilled" workers. FYI, I doubt many of the Italians, Polish and Irish that came to the US when almost anyone could get in were 100% healthy and skilled. They just got lucky they were white and got here when immigration was a whole lot easier- especially for those lacking melanin. You should probably check the history of Ellis Island. Here is one to get you started.
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Post by dee27 on Jan 20, 2018 19:34:21 GMT -5
Thanks tallguy I was going post to Poptart before you did. becomingauscitizen.weebly.com/ellis-island.htmlIMMIGRANTS: Ellis stayed open until 1954. Over all that time, approximately twelve million immigrants passed through the island. At the peak of immigration in 1907, almost 12,000 immigrants came each day. Many that traveled to America were from Europe, including countries such as Russia, Italy, Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Denmark and Armenia. After 1917, checks for health issues, literacy and money became mandatory. Most first and second class passengers were able to be checked on the boats. It was believed that anyone who had enough money to buy a higher class ticket was least likely to cause trouble later. The third class passengers, sometimes referred to as steerage were taken to Ellis Island. Before arriving there, they were split up by people called groupers into different groups; first by boat, then into women and children, and men, and then into smaller groups of about thirty or so. Immigrants were given boarding cards that they later showed to Ellis Island officials.
Once they came to Ellis, they were inspected for any kind of illnesses. Inspectors looked at everything including their heads and eyes and were even watched for signs of limping. If anyone found anything wrong, they marked on their clothes with chalk in order to alert someone else later on. Here is a list of some of the codes they used when using the chalk. H= Heart L= Lameness X= Suspected Mental Illness EX: Examine Farther Ct: Trachoma
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Post by mroped on Jan 20, 2018 20:53:53 GMT -5
You mean when Europeans came and took land that did not belong to them? I think people like you are woefully uneducated when it comes to immigration and how the system works. In 2017 it was reported that immigration services was working on applications for green cards from 1997! I have a client who just got her green card- she applied in 1992. White people tend to forget that they are also immigrants, do you know where the term WASP came from? Did you forget how Italians were treated when they set foot in the US, and how about the Irish? Yeah, they totally turned the US into a shithole, right? Some of you people have real selective memories. Yes, I disagree with what zip said about “ going back the way it was before” but I have to point out that there might be some misinformation in your post there. I don5 know where you got the report about immigration working in 2017 on applications from 1997 but that is either a case of delayed by the applicant for various reasons or a “special case” applicant. I applied for my GC in 1999 and I had my GC by 2004-2005 and that was about 4 years longer than it should’ve been according to the law. I change in law/procedure in 2000 cut the number of applications processed from a few hundred thousand to 100000 a year. Also, the background checks became more stringent, the medical checkups more detailed and the tests for citizenship more complicated. There seemed to be a push for “how well do you speak/read/write English”. The funny part is that many of those that were handling the process with the exception of judges and head clerk were foreign born white accents so thick that you needed and extra set of ears to figure out what they wanted. When I took my citizenship test, I had this Latino guy as an examiner and after a few questions I couldn’t take it anymore so I had to correct his grammar. I must say that he didn’t take it very well!😀
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Post by busymom on Jan 20, 2018 21:18:54 GMT -5
(Gee, thanks for staying on topic, instead of hollering "squirrel!") Are you even remotely familiar with this poem? I am familiar with the poem, yes. The poem is not part of the statue. It was added later as part of a fundraiser to build the pedastal for the statue- which looks out, shining her light as an inspiration to other nations to not be shitholes- not because she's the porchlight on the front of a homeless shelter. Nevertheless, the sentiment of the poem does not reflect anything about United States immigration law. The poem has never been interpreted by anyone as an open door for unvetted masses of people to pour in simply because they're "tired, poor" or "your huddled masses". We will always have limited immigration, and everyone who comes in from one country necessarily takes a slot from someone else from another. It is our right and our duty then to make sure that those that come in are going to be good for this country. We are a nation, not a soup kitchen, and not a homeless shelter. Maybe you might want to check your US history. Back in school, we covered such topics as the big Swedish migration (all of these dates are approximate) 1821-1930, the Norwegian migration 1825-1925, the Irish migration 1820-1860, and there were waves of German migrations. Most of these folks came over due to, for example, several years of crop failures, etc., and the hope that life would go better here. (Oh, and the poem is on-site at the Statue of Liberty's museum.) We "let" a lot of folks into our country during those years. Most likely, unless you are American Indian, your own ancestors came over under similar circumstances.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2018 23:55:56 GMT -5
like it or not (he doesn't), the poem is intertwined with the statue as far as most people are concerned.
Neimoeller's Poem was never uttered by him, as far as anyone can tell. but it doesn't stop people from associating it with him, nor does it stop people from considering it a work of high ethical principle.
trying to brush off the New Colossus as some trivial PR stunt is hopeless. the poem was written to raise money for the pedestal on the statue, and was engraved on it 20 years later. thus, it is rather like a tattoo. you might not be born with it, but like it or not, it becomes a part of you, and what everyone thinks of you.
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Post by dezii on Jan 21, 2018 0:10:52 GMT -5
like it or not (he doesn't), the poem is intertwined with the statue as far as most people are concerned. Neimoeller's Poem was never uttered by him, as far as anyone can tell. but it doesn't stop people from associating it with him, nor does it stop people from considering it a work of high ethical principle. trying to brush off the New Colossus as some trivial PR stunt is hopeless. the poem was written to raise money for the pedestal on the statue, and was engraved on it 20 years later. thus, it is rather like a tattoo. you might not be born with it, but like it or not, it becomes a part of you, and what everyone thinks of you. IMHO it's unimportant when the poem was written, added to the statue... It's there because majority of Americans believe the poem reflects what our country is all about...what makes us special and different in a positive way from most all, if not all, other countries in the world. 100% acceptance of citizens here? Of course not but IMHO believe the great majority of....and most of us still feel that way today...ok, possible not the paranoid who see evil under every rock and spend their waking moments worrying and stressing out over those illegals in our midst...like the one who wants my address so he can report my illegal next door neighbor.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2018 0:16:53 GMT -5
unlike some countries, he is free to think whatever he likes.
let's hope that our titular leader doesn't change that.
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Post by dezii on Jan 21, 2018 1:16:16 GMT -5
unlike some countries, he is free to think whatever he likes. let's hope that our titular leader doesn't change that. IMHO believe if he could get away with it believe he would...would have to be a dictator but believe in back of his mind he..... In a way, I believe he so admires Putin for the power he wields...for so many years and still has a favorable rating of over 80%...admires and is jealous of....also the supposedly estimated wealth of the man, reported as much as $200 billion...but if say only half of that...not shabby at all.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 21, 2018 6:38:39 GMT -5
I watched the PBS show Frontline last night. EXODUS: The Journey Continues.
I see how this show could be seen as a European equivalent of the American immigration. The hardship encountered!
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 21, 2018 11:56:34 GMT -5
We need to have rules like Cayman.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 21, 2018 12:05:08 GMT -5
We need to have rules like Cayman. such as...?
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Post by dezii on Jan 21, 2018 12:12:45 GMT -5
Seems the Donald off spring feels the shut down of the government is a good thing....for the Donald...also feel the Donald has accomplished more positive things in one year then any other modern [ possible also non modern] POTUS in history....I wonder what this family drinks in the morning as it's pepper upper beverage... With such feelings and beliefs by this group , methinks this is going to be a very, very long shut down.... ========================================= ""My father has had incredible momentum," Eric Trump said. "He's gotten more done in one year than arguably any president in history. And so, how do they divert from that message? I mean, how do they save their own party when they don't have any leadership, they don't have any, you know, good candidates of their own? How do they do that?" Commentary: Why this is the "Trump shutdown" Eric Trump blamed Democrats for the government shutdown, saying the Democrats are "absolutely terrified" that his father's "working like no one has ever worked before to bring back this country, and, you know, fulfill his promise to make America great again." Republicans have been trying to blame the Democrats for the shutdown, labeling it the "Schumer shutdown" after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. But Democrats have cast it as the "Trump Shutdown." ----------------------------------------- To read complete article click on link below ====================== www.cbsnews.com/news/eric-trump-fox-news-the-shutdown-is-good-thing-for-us-politically/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2018 12:29:38 GMT -5
We need to have rules like Cayman. we need to have rules like Iceland.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 21, 2018 12:29:55 GMT -5
I worked with a guy who had been illegal, and got his green card through marriage. He was white and British. He had a college education and worked in accounting. He wasn't particularly notable as a brain trust. He told me a story about how he was the office manager for a company that hired illegal workers (including him) and there was an INS bust. All the workers ran and hid, and he did too. He was in a ditch behind the building with all these Mexican laborers, and he was in dress pants and a tie. A few years later the INS came back and he greeted them at the door. They didn't ask him about his status or anything, even though he had a thick British accent. Our system is skewed to find brown people. The white guy who clearly isn't native didn't even cross their mind.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 21, 2018 12:31:21 GMT -5
We need to have rules like Cayman. we need to have rules like Iceland. There is an app in Iceland where you can enter the name of your date and find out how closely you are related. Apparently inbreeding is a real problem.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 21, 2018 13:29:33 GMT -5
We need to have rules like Cayman. such as...? Read Caymans rules
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 21, 2018 13:38:25 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Democrats believe Americans are too stupid, too immoral, or racistsexistbigothomophobexenophobebigotedsexist and/or rapists and pedophiles to vote right, so they want to use immigration to change the culture. They want population replacement. That is their goal. Everything else in this discussion is a distraction.
Again, you trying to explain what Dems think is like me trying to explain why my beagle used to like to eat dried turds.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 21, 2018 13:43:26 GMT -5
I shouldn't have to, you posted about it without a link, in a discussion about immigration. you should be providing that link to backup your comment.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 21, 2018 14:02:22 GMT -5
Yes, master. Sorry no link. Not that computer savvy. It’s easy to look up but of course it’s not what anyone wants to hear. They also have very strict gun laws which libs would love and dui laws that put ours to shame.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 21, 2018 16:25:35 GMT -5
yes, master? sorry, it's common practice on politics threads to provide a link to support an opinion you're introducing. sorry to put you out. wow.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 21, 2018 16:32:43 GMT -5
yes, master? sorry, it's common practice on politics threads to provide a link to support an opinion you're introducing. sorry to put you out. wow. Or at least a little detail. I googled it and got the hours of the immigration office, a phone number, a link to the forms and an explanation of the process, but I still don't know what rule or rules we should be copying. What I saw was what documentation you needed to get a student or work visa. No where on there was something that said "certified documentation proving you are not a terrorist" so I'm not sure what their restrictions are that are so desirable. I don't even know where to start.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 21, 2018 18:25:47 GMT -5
You have to be healthy and have a job waiting. If you’re a visitor you have to show your return ticket and where you’re staying. Monthly you have to submit to a health screening that you pay for. Commit any infraction or lose your job, instant deportation. The country is extremely safe. I could walk around by myself at 3 am and not worry about a thing. Hugely strict gun laws which seem to work for them and total respect for police. An anchor baby isn’t going to happen-ever. It was a wonderful experience and no wonder people return again and again.
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