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Post by dezii on Jan 19, 2018 15:54:50 GMT -5
"And I STILL contend that our current policy of birthright citizenship for the children of illegals was based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution by the Supreme Court. It should be reversed." point is...u are the same as I...just a private citizen and your contending and mine means squat..nada...nothing. Supreme Court, from what I understand does NOT take in account in it's judicial decisions what some one like u and I feel, believe...It's how they read the intent in the constitution...or at least how I believe the system is supposed to works... The Court erred. It has before and will again. Deal with it. Possible....examples? Where that many decisions reversed..? Don't think so....
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Post by busymom on Jan 19, 2018 15:55:20 GMT -5
Remember the poem attached to the Statue of Liberty?
New Colossus
(statue of liberty poem)
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Three of my grandparents didn't (legally) come to the USA because life was going well "back home". They saw opportunity to make a better life for themselves, & the children they planned to raise. Unfortunately, our current administration doesn't seem to want immigrants who come here seeking to better themselves (even if they're white like my grandparents). They're totally putting out the vibe that they only want the highly educated, moneyed people, and anyone else better not even think about coming here. That's not how our country was built.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 19, 2018 16:02:44 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
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Post by busymom on Jan 19, 2018 16:10:10 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
I've wondered about this case myself. He'd been here for many years, married with kids, and I believe also a business owner. Why does a responsible adult get sent away? (Not to mention, he's been married to the same woman for a long time.)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 19, 2018 16:32:40 GMT -5
"Birthright" citizenship- whatever you think about it- is beside the point. Democrats only care about immigration- legal, illegal, birthright citizenship, birth tourism, islamic jihadi 'refugees'-- the aim is watering down the traditional American culture-- replacement of natives with people predisposed to government dependency and tyranny. The want total control and Americans won't give it to them. This explains their total contempt for everyday Americans.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 19, 2018 16:33:37 GMT -5
Remember the poem attached to the Statue of Liberty? New Colossus (statue of liberty poem) Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” Three of my grandparents didn't (legally) come to the USA because life was going well "back home". They saw opportunity to make a better life for themselves, & the children they planned to raise. Unfortunately, our current administration doesn't seem to want immigrants who come here seeking to better themselves (even if they're white like my grandparents). They're totally putting out the vibe that they only want the highly educated, moneyed people, and anyone else better not even think about coming here. That's not how our country was built. There was / is no poem attached to the Statue of Liberty.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 19, 2018 16:38:45 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
As the children were born to an American woman while she lived in the States, her children are American citizens and not anchor babies. If both parents were here illegally and their children born here, then the children would be called anchor babies. If the children were born in another country, say the home country of their parents, then all of them would be here illegally. ETA: if both parents are foreign nationals and are here legally on a Green card, any children born here would be American citizens and not anchor babies. They would probably be citizens of their parents' home country too (though not too sure about this one part). According to the American wife on news shows, her husband has been trying to get a Green Card and trying to pursue American citizenship for quite some time. That is according to his American wife.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 19, 2018 16:39:19 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
I don't know for sure, but sometimes I learn things from DH b/c he deals with a lot of immigrants on his Job. I do know that the husband of a friend of ours was deported (a long time ago - more than 10 years ago). His wife was born here, US Citizen and they had children. They were married in the US, but as he was here illegally, the immigration department said he had to leave the country for 10 years before he could get legal residency. She went with him to Mexico and lived there with him. She has a large family that are legal residents in the US, and they still have a good amount of family in Mexico too, so it was not like they didn't know anyone in Mexico. She has a brother that is a Police Officer too. They recently were able to return to the US, I think I was told that at her Dad's retirement party. I am sure she and her kids were able to travel back and forth at will, but he stayed in Mexico.
I think the "Crime" they can be accused of committing is that they were deported and came back into the US again without proper documentation. Her parents knew he was undocumented when they married, but I think she was PG at the time. Who is to say it was the wrong decision. Pretty sure her DS's 1st husband was legal, but he was an abusive drug dealer.
DS's friend who's wife overstayed her visa, returned to Poland, and they Married in Poland and then applied for a visa/documentation. If you get married here, they really don't like it. I am not sure if my neighbor married in the US or Poland, but she said the immigration department gave here a really hard time. They went through her husband's family photo albums and asked her who everyone was. She said it was very stressful and they had been married already a year or two when this occurred. They were concerned it was a marriage for citizenship only.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 19, 2018 16:44:02 GMT -5
Remember the poem attached to the Statue of Liberty? New Colossus (statue of liberty poem) Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” Three of my grandparents didn't (legally) come to the USA because life was going well "back home". They saw opportunity to make a better life for themselves, & the children they planned to raise. Unfortunately, our current administration doesn't seem to want immigrants who come here seeking to better themselves (even if they're white like my grandparents). They're totally putting out the vibe that they only want the highly educated, moneyed people, and anyone else better not even think about coming here. That's not how our country was built. There was / is no poem attached to the Statue of Liberty. "As part of one such effort, an auction of art and manuscripts, poet Emma Lazarus was asked to donate an original work. She initially declined, stating she could not write a poem about a statue. At the time, she was also involved in aiding refugees to New York who had fled anti-Semitic pogroms in eastern Europe. These refugees were forced to live in conditions that the wealthy Lazarus had never experienced. She saw a way to express her empathy for these refugees in terms of the statue.[82] The resulting sonnet, "The New Colossus", including the iconic lines "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", is uniquely identified with the Statue of Liberty and is inscribed on a plaque in the museum in its base." In 1903, a bronze tablet that bears the text of Emma Lazarus's sonnet, "The New Colossus" (1883), was presented by friends of the poet. Until the 1986 renovation, it was mounted inside the pedestal; today it resides in the Statue of Liberty Museum, in the base.[168] link
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 19, 2018 16:46:20 GMT -5
There can not be an honest discussion until a decision is made to separate illegal and legal immigration and not treat them as equals by the opposing sides, imo. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/star.gif) POTD
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Post by engineerdoe on Jan 19, 2018 16:49:21 GMT -5
www.us-immigration.com/blog/the-us-green-card-lottery-and-how-it-works/"The 1996 Immigration Act created The Immigrant Diversity Visa Lottery Program in order to create greater diversity in immigration. Many US immigrants come from a few geographic regions and in many cases these regions remain the same year after year. The DV Lottery Program is designed to allow immigrants from other regions to have a chance to immigrate to the US. The 50, 000 green cards available as part of the DV Lottery Program are distributed among six different world geographic areas, with more green cards going to those areas where little immigration to the US takes place. Any country that has sent at least 50, 000 immigrants to the US over the past five years is not eligible for the lottery program. As well, no country may receive more than 7% of the 50, 000 green cards slated for one year. Green cards offered through the Diversity Visa Lottery Program are awarded through a random computer draw. To qualify for the Diversity Visa Lottery Program, you must live in a qualifying country. You must also meet either a training requirement or an education requirement. If you have two years of training or work experience or a high school education you may meet this requirement in most fields of work. The USCIS website has a detailed list of eligibility requirements as well as more details about the program."So the qualifications for the Diversity Visa Lottery Program are the same for the other Visa Programs other than the country requirements. Also base on this: Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year, of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States now are at their highest level ever, at just over 37,000,000 legal immigrants.50,000 out of 400,000 isn't that many to get all upset about. It is exactly like the name implies they win a chance to obtain their green card but to even be in the drawing they still have to meet education/training/work qualifications. We are not just pulling people off the street and giving them a green card.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 19, 2018 16:54:06 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has children anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
I'll try not to twitch too much, but I need to correct you here. whatever his status, his children have an American mother and are absolutely NOT "anchor babies". this particular misconception makes me stabby (not you, when it is directed at me as it's also my circumstance although my dad is and always has been legal) /endhijack to answer your question, it is my understanding through what I have read/heard in the news that he never started the process to become legal, and that he was flagged in the system when he did so. FYI, marrying a citizen does not automatically make you become legal.
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Post by Opti on Jan 19, 2018 16:58:52 GMT -5
"Birthright" citizenship- whatever you think about it- is beside the point. Democrats only care about immigration- legal, illegal, birthright citizenship, birth tourism, islamic jihadi 'refugees'-- the aim is watering down the traditional American culture-- replacement of natives with people predisposed to government dependency and tyranny. The want total control and Americans won't give it to them. This explains their total contempt for everyday Americans. Your post and repeated desire to believe untrue things shows a contempt for the posters here and everyday Americans as you put it. Do you not realize you turn people off to conservatism and Republicans every time you post like this? What I don't quite understand is why you don't post for what you actually want politically instead of creating fake straw men that most of know are BS creations that have little in common with reality. Trump is destroying many conservatives who don't want to see behind the curtain. Are you really trying to make conservatism so unappealing no one wants to be one?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 19, 2018 17:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by tallguy on Jan 19, 2018 17:11:27 GMT -5
The Court erred. It has before and will again. Deal with it. Possible....examples? Where that many decisions reversed..? Don't think so.... Google is your friend. Just to name a quick two: Dred Scott
Plessy v. Ferguson Do a search and find probably 100 more. Not all as consequential, of course.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 19, 2018 17:12:07 GMT -5
Thank you for all of your answers!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 19, 2018 17:29:07 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
in the term "anchor babies" the active part is babies, not anchor. the anchor does not apply to the parents. but according to USC8.1401, the babies are US citizens. edit: the interpretation handed down through the courts is that both birthplace (jus soli) and blood (jus sanguinis). however, as tallguy correctly states, this is something that can be decided by the courts and by legislation. it is not strictly stated in ammendment 14. therefore, it is subject to change over time. CURRENTLY you can become a citizen by being born here OR being born to at least one US parent.
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Post by mroped on Jan 19, 2018 17:38:22 GMT -5
The fundamental disconnect between conservatives and liberals on immigration is worldview. The liberal worldview is that the United States' position in the world is unjust. We are an evil, white European colonialist / imperialist state that is too rich and since they believe in a zero sum game-- we're rich, so the rest of the world is dirt poor. They believe we are racist- white-supremacist, bigoted, etc. and ultimate answer to the injustice that is traditional American culture is to simply replace it. Swamp the indigenous culture with immigrants from shitholes who are predisposed to welfare handouts and strong-man style leadership (Doing what the fuck they're told). The aim of immigration for liberals is population replacement to shift the vote to the left and establish one-party rule. This cannot be argued since we've seen it in California. What most Americans don't realize is that there is no issue more important than immigration because Democrats know this is for all the marbles, and they are committed to making America a shithole. If you like California- vote Democrat. If you don't, you have no choice. You MUST vote Republican NO MATTER WHAT ELSE you disagree with, or what problems you have with the GOP. Period. ![](https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26841197_10215434170747258_6341517993595089144_o.jpg?oh=b27baad507f909eba4841e1e182fc329&oe=5AEB168D) Whatever gave you the idea that those that immigrate to this country are mostly gonna vote Democrat? Just as an example, I’m looking at myself and my fellow Romanians that lived in our area about 20 years ago(I’m talking central Pa) There was a group of 20 some that are all but one gone all over the country. We keep somewhat in touch and most of them are confused by the fact that I’m a liberal/Democrat. Based on my own case I’d like to point out that your assertion on the subject is wrong. The issue is that the GOP is propagating that idea to their own detriment. New comers will not support political views that in no way, form or shape align with their own beliefs. I need to point out that those that legally immigrate to the US are generally well educated. The vast majority holds at least a bachelors degree.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 19, 2018 17:44:15 GMT -5
I have an honest question about this whole anchor baby thing, and I'm asking genuinely because I do not know the specifics about it.
Wasn't a man who had been in the US for 30 years just deported last week, even though he has American born children and was married to an American woman? How did he get deported if he has anchor babies, and an American wife? Is it because the children have another parent here to take care of them? If both of the parents had been illegal immigrants, would he have gotten to stay?
As the children were born to an American woman while she lived in the States, her children are American citizens and not anchor babies. If both parents were here illegally and their children born here, then the children would be called anchor babies. If the children were born in another country, say the home country of their parents, then all of them would be here illegally. ETA: if both parents are foreign nationals and are here legally on a Green card, any children born here would be American citizens and not anchor babies. They would probably be citizens of their parents' home country too (though not too sure about this one part). According to the American wife on news shows, her husband has been trying to get a Green Card and trying to pursue American citizenship for quite some time. That is according to his American wife. Anchor Baby is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon to my knowledge. Children Born on US Soil are Citizens whether or not their parents were here legally at the time. Immigration generally does not deport the [citizen] children of Illegal aliens, but in the rare case a parent with minor children were deported, [and the children to remain in the US without their parent], they would then need a guardian - either a relative or friend to take custody the children in the US after their Parent was deported. They could also go to foster care, but I don't think people choose that option too often. It is my understanding that many of the Dreamers who have Children who are citizens have named a legal guardian and have legal paperwork for their families ie. Brothers/Sisters/Aunts/Uncles/Friends etc,to use all set up jik. Some of the "Dreamers" are in their 30's (Younger than 35?) so their older children can be nearing adulthood.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 19, 2018 17:55:54 GMT -5
As the children were born to an American woman while she lived in the States, her children are American citizens and not anchor babies. If both parents were here illegally and their children born here, then the children would be called anchor babies. If the children were born in another country, say the home country of their parents, then all of them would be here illegally. ETA: if both parents are foreign nationals and are here legally on a Green card, any children born here would be American citizens and not anchor babies. They would probably be citizens of their parents' home country too (though not too sure about this one part). According to the American wife on news shows, her husband has been trying to get a Green Card and trying to pursue American citizenship for quite some time. That is according to his American wife. Anchor Baby is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon to my knowledge. Children Born on US Soil are Citizens whether or not their parents were here legally at the time. Immigration generally does not deport the [citizen] children of Illegal aliens, but in the rare case a parent with minor children were deported, [and the children to remain in the US without their parent], they would then need a guardian - either a relative or friend to take custody the children in the US after their Parent was deported. They could also go to foster care, but I don't think people choose that option too often. It is my understanding that many of the Dreamers who have Children who are citizens have named a legal guardian and have legal paperwork for their families ie. Brothers/Sisters/Aunts/Uncles/Friends etc,to use all set up jik. Some of the "Dreamers" are in their 30's (Younger than 35?) so their older children can be nearing adulthood. Of course anchor baby is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon. It's a derogatory term to describe the child and its role it would play in possibly seeking future citizenship or at least a green card for it's parents. As the term is widely used in discussions today regarding citizenship, I used the word in my reply to the question.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 19, 2018 17:58:21 GMT -5
Anchor Baby is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon to my knowledge. Children Born on US Soil are Citizens whether or not their parents were here legally at the time. Immigration generally does not deport the [citizen] children of Illegal aliens, but in the rare case a parent with minor children were deported, [and the children to remain in the US without their parent], they would then need a guardian - either a relative or friend to take custody the children in the US after their Parent was deported. They could also go to foster care, but I don't think people choose that option too often. It is my understanding that many of the Dreamers who have Children who are citizens have named a legal guardian and have legal paperwork for their families ie. Brothers/Sisters/Aunts/Uncles/Friends etc,to use all set up jik. Some of the "Dreamers" are in their 30's (Younger than 35?) so their older children can be nearing adulthood. Of course anchor is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon. It's a derogatory term to describe the child and its role it would play in possibly seeking future citizenship or at least a green card for it's parents. As the term is widely used in discussions today regarding citizenship, I used the word. But their citizenship is no different than mine or my children's, and actually gives them more rights than a naturalized citizen. So giving them a label that makes them seem different or (Other) is offensive and wrong.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 19, 2018 17:59:51 GMT -5
Of course anchor is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon. It's a derogatory term to describe the child and its role it would play in possibly seeking future citizenship or at least a green card for it's parents. As the term is widely used in discussions today regarding citizenship, I used the word. But their citizenship is no different than mine or my children's, and actually gives them more rights than a naturalized citizen. So giving them a label that makes them seem different or (Other) is offensive and wrong. I agree. If I offended you, I apologize.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 19, 2018 18:02:09 GMT -5
Of course anchor is not a term anywhere in our citizenship lexicon. It's a derogatory term to describe the child and its role it would play in possibly seeking future citizenship or at least a green card for it's parents. As the term is widely used in discussions today regarding citizenship, I used the word. But their citizenship is no different than mine or my children's, and actually gives them more rights than a naturalized citizen. So giving them a label that makes them seem different or (Other) is offensive and wrong. this is exactly what I had to tell someone the other night as I walked away from an argument. she just couldn't understand what the problem was. it's sad how many people are like that woman.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 19, 2018 18:04:54 GMT -5
No problem, My DH always says there is no such thing as a second class citizen in the US and seeing such a label used to describe citizens just struck me as wrong. I do see birthright citizenship as problematic, but not sure I want to see it ended.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 19, 2018 18:11:49 GMT -5
No problem, My DH always says there is no such thing as a second class citizen in the US and seeing such a label used to describe citizens just struck me as wrong. I do see birthright citizenship as problematic, but not sure I want to see it ended. i think you stand with most Americans on that. but it is clearly an issue that we are currently debating.
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Post by mroped on Jan 19, 2018 18:12:51 GMT -5
And what “more rights” are you talking about? Just curiosity because I’ve never heard of any!
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 19, 2018 18:21:15 GMT -5
But their citizenship is no different than mine or my children's, and actually gives them more rights than a naturalized citizen. So giving them a label that makes them seem different or (Other) is offensive and wrong. I agree. If I offended you, I apologize. I wasn't trying to offend anyone either. I was just confused on the subject.
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Post by resolution on Jan 19, 2018 18:21:35 GMT -5
And what “more rights” are you talking about? Just curiosity because I’ve never heard of any! Just off the top of my head, the president needs to be a natural born citizen.
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Post by busymom on Jan 19, 2018 19:47:42 GMT -5
Remember the poem attached to the Statue of Liberty? New Colossus (statue of liberty poem) Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” Three of my grandparents didn't (legally) come to the USA because life was going well "back home". They saw opportunity to make a better life for themselves, & the children they planned to raise. Unfortunately, our current administration doesn't seem to want immigrants who come here seeking to better themselves (even if they're white like my grandparents). They're totally putting out the vibe that they only want the highly educated, moneyed people, and anyone else better not even think about coming here. That's not how our country was built. There was / is no poem attached to the Statue of Liberty. (Gee, thanks for staying on topic, instead of hollering "squirrel!") Are you even remotely familiar with this poem?
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Post by mroped on Jan 19, 2018 19:54:01 GMT -5
I misunderstood and i apologize! I read as “the naturalized citizens have more rights than born citizens” to put it in short. There was my confusion!
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