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Post by dezii on Jan 13, 2018 8:50:08 GMT -5
Outstanding....brilliant...hope picture goes nationwide including Trump country...great American humor...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 13, 2018 10:46:23 GMT -5
sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but i have never encountered such a black and white poster as you, Virgil. tg is absolutely right here. if you can't see it in yourself, then it is a problem in self perception. in addition, i have never encountered a poster that doesn't say this about you. if you disagree, i can assure you that the way others see you and the way you see you are totally different. and i would posit that how you are seen is more important in the context of this discussion. You're not looking in the right places. I've had posters tell me on countless occasions my arguments are too complex, too hypothetical, too qualified, too contrived; that I'm making distinctions I shouldn't make; I'm being too tolerant; I'm rationalizing a double standard; etc. Just the other day it was me telling you you were being too black-and-white in your assessment of whether Scott Adams is a fan of Pres. Trump. While I admit I'm far more black-and-white on moral issues than most of P/CE, this is as much a function of the board as it is my fundamentalism. In other venues (for example, my family and church), I'm more often criticized for making sophistic arguments concerning ultimately simple, black-and-white moral issues.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 13, 2018 10:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 13, 2018 11:00:34 GMT -5
Substituting "as little" with "less" completely changes the meaning of the statement, hence no, it doesn't help me to understand your point. not from my perspective. If your point is that you don't expect less from Pres. Trump than you expect of yourself, you needn't worry, since you're one of the worst offenders at calling other nations "shitholes". no, i pretty clearly say i expect more of him than i do of myself. but that does NOT imply that i don't expect much of myself. that is where you made your mistake. oh, and you are wrong, btw. i rarely use that (shithole) term. if you think otherwise, provide links. otherwise, i am calling that one a lie. i will up it to bald faced without support. If your point is that you expect a lot more from Pres. Trump because you expect little of yourself (which is the meaning of "as little as"), I stand by my "lowly peon" comment. well, that IS what i meant (minus the lined out portion, which i never said, nor meant). and you free to think of yourself any way you like, as i already stated. i expect my president to behave and speak far better than me. that is what it means to live in a Republic, Virgil. that doesn't mean that i think little of myself, AT ALL. did you really pass logic, or do you just like to fake it? Exhibit APlease note that we are not permitted to accuse other members of lying. You can accuse other members (including me) of being mistaken, delusional, ignorant, careless, but not of lying. This is admin's ruling. See the thread for a go/no-go heuristic concerning the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:01:33 GMT -5
Part of the affliction we call NPD is that its sufferers don't realize they don't communicate with the world in the same way as others. They actually see their way as "better" while the normal humans see it for what it is. "Narcissists are notorious for having one way communication…they do all the talking and none of the listening. Narcissists don’t talk or communicate; they fend off. They hide and evade and disguise. They lecture, badger and preach. They perfect the ability to say nothing in lengthy speeches. Their speech is crowded with first person pronouns (“I”, “me”, “my”, “mine”). A conversation with a narcissist is always about their needs, wants and thoughts. A normal conversation requires give and take between two people but with a narcissist there is only one person that matters in their world. The narcissists’ egos are self inflated and full of grandiosity; it is common for them to lie to further inflate their egos. They crave any attention, positive or negative. Any behavior or wild story that will draw attention to them will be utilized. Understanding this will help explain many of the irrational interactions you will encounter when communicating with them. Narcissists never talk to others – rather, they talk at others." thenarcissisticlife.com/the-narcissist-and-communication/Sound familiar?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 13, 2018 12:09:03 GMT -5
Virgil: Just the other day it was me telling you you were being too black-and-white in your assessment of whether Scott Adams is a fan of Pres. Trump.
if i have commented on what he thinks of Trump, i have no recollection of it, nor do i care enough to be as strident as you imply here. i know enough about Scott Adams to ONLY consider him for his (office) humor. he has no other expertise worth considering. he is a know-nothing asshat, so i can't see why i would spend any time speculating about what his opinions are. so you shouldn't waste any time speculating about what MY opinion is on the subject.
you can choose to think of yourself as a nuanced guy, but nobody else thinks of you that way, Virgil. being detailed doesn't make your opinions less black and white, it only sharpens the contrast to the point of pain.
NOTE: i am done talking about you. i have stated my opinion. if you don't want to hear it, that's fine.
edit: i'd ask you to stop talking about me, but you can't help it. so, have a ball i guess.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 13, 2018 12:48:41 GMT -5
I don't think much of people who are willing to leak info that damages the US' reputation more in order to tell us something we already know. There's no gain there. That being said a better way to handle Trump from the press would have been to tell the president he is absolutely correct, flash pictures of poor children from those countries ad nauseam on the telly, and then beg him to save the children since he is the only one that can do it. Assuming they actually want to help people from those countries instead of bashing on Trump of course. I cannot possibly disagree with you more. You don't want to see our country or its reputation damaged? We can survive the world thinking we elected a disgusting, narcissistic moron who cares nothing about anyone or anything else in the world, if it is seen as an aberration. That "image rehabilitation" can begin as soon as we elect a serious-minded person to replace that POS. If we show the world that we either accept or have knuckled under to someone the likes of Trump we are done on the world stage. Not only would we never be respected as a world leader again, but we would not deserve to be. We have to stand for something, as we always have in the past. Truth, honor, and dignity are only three of those things, and Trump has thrown all by the wayside. He wants to insist on making America First, but all he is succeeding at is making America Alone. Our allies do not respect him. They openly question his sanity. They do still believe in The United States of America. For the moment. Whether they continue will depend in large part on our response to Trump. Indulging the worthless twit in any way will not help us.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jan 13, 2018 12:57:00 GMT -5
I don't think much of people who are willing to leak info that damages the US' reputation more in order to tell us something we already know. There's no gain there. That being said a better way to handle Trump from the press would have been to tell the president he is absolutely correct, flash pictures of poor children from those countries ad nauseam on the telly, and then beg him to save the children since he is the only one that can do it. Assuming they actually want to help people from those countries instead of bashing on Trump of course. That's not the job of the press, nor do I want it to be.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 13, 2018 12:57:13 GMT -5
i would like to know the last president to call Africa a shithole.
take your time. i have all day.
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Post by dezii on Jan 13, 2018 13:47:51 GMT -5
But it's not being shown as an aberration. Instead we are getting a list of every nasty thing said by a politician or reporter about a foreign country in the past. For the younger readers here who may sometime wonder what is the cause of our problems with Iran are...remember, in our Donalds eyes , next to North Korea, our next greatest enemy...here is a simple brief history of why as a country their religious leadership and many of their people are so pissed off at us... It isn't all about the taking of diplomats and capturing of our embassy...there is the Shah, his secret police and their tortures and imprisonments of protestors, political differences and most important..our helping out our ally, Great Britain, in over throwing a popular elected PM, who nationalized their oil industries , upsetting the Brits who called on us to help then out..which we did but lead to the return of their spiritual leader from exile in France...then the s hit the fan... As a country we did do some stupid and nasty things in the past, this is just one.....With our Donald as top dog, it seems we are back to doing them again... ------------------------------------ all-that-is-interesting.com/shah-iran?llid=BvQZk&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fbpdliquids&utm_term=EBLW
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 13, 2018 14:15:47 GMT -5
I don't think much of people who are willing to leak info that damages the US' reputation more in order to tell us something we already know. There's no gain there. That being said a better way to handle Trump from the press would have been to tell the president he is absolutely correct, flash pictures of poor children from those countries ad nauseam on the telly, and then beg him to save the children since he is the only one that can do it. Assuming they actually want to help people from those countries instead of bashing on Trump of course. The context was immigration. Your suggestion does nothing to address the immigration issue. Nobody's "bashing" the "Very Stable Genius". He is rightfully being criticized for making racist, demeaning slurs that affect American foreign policy and he's too ignorant to see that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 13, 2018 14:33:11 GMT -5
They were interviewing people in Norway on one of our news channels. The general consensus was "Why would we move to a shithole like the USA?"
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 13, 2018 14:34:48 GMT -5
Substituting "as little" with "less" completely changes the meaning of the statement, hence no, it doesn't help me to understand your point. not from my perspective. If your point is that you don't expect less from Pres. Trump than you expect of yourself, you needn't worry, since you're one of the worst offenders at calling other nations "shitholes". no, i pretty clearly say i expect more of him than i do of myself. but that does NOT imply that i don't expect much of myself. that is where you made your mistake. oh, and you are wrong, btw. i rarely use that (shithole) term. if you think otherwise, provide links. otherwise, i am calling that one a lie. i will up it to bald faced without support. If your point is that you expect a lot more from Pres. Trump because you expect little of yourself (which is the meaning of "as little as"), I stand by my "lowly peon" comment. well, that IS what i meant (minus the lined out portion, which i never said, nor meant). and you free to think of yourself any way you like, as i already stated. i expect my president to behave and speak far better than me. that is what it means to live in a Republic, Virgil. that doesn't mean that i think little of myself, AT ALL. did you really pass logic, or do you just like to fake it? Exhibit APlease note that we are not permitted to accuse other members of lying. You can accuse other members (including me) of being mistaken, delusional, ignorant, careless, but not of lying. This is admin's ruling. See the thread for a go/no-go heuristic concerning the rule. So, I can call another poster delusional or ignorant without getting my hand slapped? I don't believe you.
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Post by dezii on Jan 13, 2018 14:47:12 GMT -5
They were interviewing people in Norway on one of our news channels. The general consensus was "Why would we move to a shithole like the USA?" especially with such a shithole , elected by these idiotic prejudiced afraid of their shadow countryman, President...
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Post by dezii on Jan 13, 2018 14:50:17 GMT -5
Exhibit APlease note that we are not permitted to accuse other members of lying. You can accuse other members (including me) of being mistaken, delusional, ignorant, careless, but not of lying. This is admin's ruling. See the thread for a go/no-go heuristic concerning the rule. So, I can call another poster delusional or ignorant without getting my hand slapped? I don't believe you. Just beware of mmhmm...lady rightly runs a tight ship...doesn't tolerate nonsense...or at least idiotic nonsense...just saying.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 13, 2018 14:55:59 GMT -5
I don't think much of people who are willing to leak info that damages the US' reputation more in order to tell us something we already know. There's no gain there. That being said a better way to handle Trump from the press would have been to tell the president he is absolutely correct, flash pictures of poor children from those countries ad nauseam on the telly, and then beg him to save the children since he is the only one that can do it. Assuming they actually want to help people from those countries instead of bashing on Trump of course. Poverty porn has detrimental effects. It makes stupid Americans believe that certain countries are shitholes where everyone is starving. In reality, there is a civilization complete with commerce and such.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 13, 2018 15:01:27 GMT -5
But it's not being shown as an aberration. Instead we are getting a list of every nasty thing said by a politician or reporter about a foreign country in the past. dt is the aberration, his language at least for him is not. This country is being abused by the continuous stream of foulness that spews forth from the WH. IMO, not speaking up about this is the equivalent of a family protecting a domestic abuser because they are more worried about what the neighbors think, than (trying to) put a halt to it. A Dutch saying puts my thoughts very precisely into words: he who stays silent, agrees. (Wie zwijgt stemt toe)
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 13, 2018 15:08:27 GMT -5
Oh not a poster, just left thinking posters as a group.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 13, 2018 15:12:34 GMT -5
Oh not a poster, just left thinking posters as a group. Nope. Seem to me that calling individual posters ignorant/delusional is a go, now. Somehow, that doesn't ring true.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 13, 2018 15:30:42 GMT -5
LOL, A bookstore that opened November of 2017 and already having to display all the slow sellers right up front to v]clear out the deadwood. Wonder if it was a buy one get two free sale In any event I am sure you can order from them online, so knock yourself out! (yes I recognize one or two are, or were good sellers, but their day is over) If a bookstore is welling to waste this much space on deadwood, I guess they too will be deadwood.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 13, 2018 15:35:43 GMT -5
Geez it's a book store putting up a display based on current events.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 13, 2018 15:47:08 GMT -5
They were interviewing people in Norway on one of our news channels. The general consensus was "Why would we move to a shithole like the USA?" You have a link? Who's consensus? The people being interviewed, the interviewers, or your own consensus? I sincerely do not believe Norwegians consider the USA a shithole. And I believe many would not want to immigrate here either, but i do not want to go there either, and I do not consider it a shithole......
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Post by dondub on Jan 13, 2018 16:08:40 GMT -5
Hey VB,
Deadwood? Kite runner and it's companion book have sold over 38,000,000 copies worldwide. A Brief History Of Seven Killings, which won the Man Booker Award in 2015 is well into the 7 figures. Isn't your wife in a bookclub?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 13, 2018 16:13:00 GMT -5
here is the whole point. Trump missed it, and half the people posting on this thread miss it:
people come here to better their lives, folks. they come from...."bad situations". that doesn't make them bad people. you all...WE all...are blessed with the bounty of where were were born. out of the 5B people on this planet, half of whom face grinding poverty on a daily basis, essentially NONE live here in the US. when we say "we don't want you because you come from a shithole" you are sentencing them to a life of misery and suffering without any way out- no matter how much vitality, energy, and intelligence they might bring to this place. do you have any idea how arrogant, self centered, and cruel that sounds?
no?
this country is rapidly becoming a place i don't want to be associated with.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 13, 2018 16:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 13, 2018 16:15:56 GMT -5
Exhibit APlease note that we are not permitted to accuse other members of lying. You can accuse other members (including me) of being mistaken, delusional, ignorant, careless, but not of lying. This is admin's ruling. See the thread for a go/no-go heuristic concerning the rule. So, I can call another poster delusional or ignorant without getting my hand slapped? I don't believe you. Yes, you can. Neither is a personal insult. Calling someone a liar is a personal insult. Being ignorant isn't purposeful; nor, is holding ideas that seem delusional. Lying, however, is purposeful. I hope that helps to explain the difference in terminology.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 13, 2018 16:18:31 GMT -5
LOL, A bookstore that opened November of 2017 and already having to display all the slow sellers right up front to v]clear out the deadwood. Wonder if it was a buy one get two free sale In any event I am sure you can order from them online, so knock yourself out! (yes I recognize one or two are, or were good sellers, but their day is over) If a bookstore is welling to waste this much space on deadwood, I guess they too will be deadwood. You have lost your sense of humor.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 13, 2018 16:21:53 GMT -5
You have lost your sense of humor. i might have gone further with that.
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Post by dondub on Jan 13, 2018 17:05:09 GMT -5
Hey! I just read somewhere that you can say he's delusional.
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Post by dezii on Jan 13, 2018 17:28:19 GMT -5
here is the whole point. Trump missed it, and half the people posting on this thread miss it: people come here to better their lives, folks. they come from...."bad situations". that doesn't make them bad people. you all...WE all...are blessed with the bounty of where were were born. out of the 5B people on this planet, half of whom face grinding poverty on a daily basis, essentially NONE live here in the US. when we say "we don't want you because you come from a shithole" you are sentencing them to a life of misery and suffering without any way out- no matter how much vitality, energy, and intelligence they might bring to this place. do you have any idea how arrogant, self centered, and cruel that sounds? no? this country is rapidly becoming a place i don't want to be associated with. Well if u notice on this little site except for a couple...rest seem to be horrified with this A holes comments and actions since assuming the office. That he has a unwavering base that it doesn't seem to have wavered in their support of him is troubling but I am thinking there has always been folks who are jealous of others especially if they are different and jealous when these folks move ahead of them ...so they turn to hate to compensate...Seems it is a phenomenon in all society's. Positive is they are not in majority and hopefully this nightmare we are now going through is a temporary one...soon to be corrected ...
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