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Post by dondub on Jan 17, 2018 18:28:58 GMT -5
Sr. Mary Virgil...done with that back in the 60's.
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Post by grits on Jan 17, 2018 20:23:01 GMT -5
His remarks are inappropriate but from what I've seen online, and in public, he's acting like a lot of the american public. He's as rude, inconsiderate, and obnoxious as a lot of people online, and in person. No few of which reside right here on our board, at least when it comes to calling people, places, parties, and institutions every foul name under the sun. But we're not the US President, so... The actions of the leaders tend to be a reflection of the people. If we want our leaders to change, the public must change as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 17, 2018 20:31:49 GMT -5
No few of which reside right here on our board, at least when it comes to calling people, places, parties, and institutions every foul name under the sun. But we're not the US President, so... The actions of the leaders tend to be a reflection of the people. If we want our leaders to change, the public must change as well. most worthwhile movements are bottom up. we change first, then they will change.
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Post by grits on Jan 17, 2018 20:34:00 GMT -5
The actions of the leaders tend to be a reflection of the people. If we want our leaders to change, the public must change as well. most worthwhile movements are bottom up. we change first, then they will change. Be careful. Zombies are on patrol.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 18, 2018 0:28:01 GMT -5
trump considers Haiti and other black African countries, including South Africa, shitholes, but he has no problem giving Haitians H-2B visas to work as housekeepers at his 'winter white house', aka Mar-a -lago. Why doesn't he offer these Mar-a-lago H-2B visas to Norwegians if he wants more white people coming to our country to work. The Foreign Workers of Mar-a-Lago
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 18, 2018 1:47:40 GMT -5
trump considers Haiti and other black African countries, including South Africa, shitholes, but he has no problem giving Haitians H-2B visas to work as housekeepers at his 'winter white house', aka Mar-a -lago. Why doesn't he offer these Mar-a-lago H-2B visas to Norwegians if he wants more white people coming to our country to work.The Foreign Workers of Mar-a-Lago Because they won't work for peanuts?
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 18, 2018 9:07:02 GMT -5
How do Legal/and or illegal aliens vote? It is my understanding that citizenship is required to vote. you can take that logic further. the only way they can do this is to vote using someone elses' ID, which means that they might risk their status here by showing up and voting. if that sounds insane, it is. which is why it is probably not happening, and that less than 30 cases of in person voter fraud have been successfully prosecuted in the last decade, and over half of them were Republicans. We can't even get most citizens to vote, how would we get a bunch of people who would be arrested and deported for voting to want to take time off work (they don't get any paid days off or protection) and get to a voting place (they often have to take public transportation) so they can vote. The amount of labor and money going into voter registration drives and get out the vote campaigns is insane. A campaign to get a million illegal voters would be noticed.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 18, 2018 9:52:54 GMT -5
trump considers Haiti and other black African countries, including South Africa, shitholes, but he has no problem giving Haitians H-2B visas to work as housekeepers at his 'winter white house', aka Mar-a -lago. Why doesn't he offer these Mar-a-lago H-2B visas to Norwegians if he wants more white people coming to our country to work. The Foreign Workers of Mar-a-Lago You realize that calling a locale a SH doesn't mean you're condemning every soul who lives there, or even the majority? A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. Suppose Joe, a businessman, says that Chicago is a SH. Later, while describing his company, Joe mentions that his CFO hails from Chicago. Would your response to Joe be "Hypocrite! You say Chicago is a SH, but you trust a Chicagoan with your company finances. You should have hired a New Yorker since you love New York so much."? Since you're a reasonable man, I'll answer the question for you: No, this would not be your response. It's a non-sequitur. Apply this same logic to Pres. Trump hiring Haitians to work at his hotels. If you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 18, 2018 10:02:20 GMT -5
trump considers Haiti and other black African countries, including South Africa, shitholes, but he has no problem giving Haitians H-2B visas to work as housekeepers at his 'winter white house', aka Mar-a -lago. Why doesn't he offer these Mar-a-lago H-2B visas to Norwegians if he wants more white people coming to our country to work. The Foreign Workers of Mar-a-Lago You realize that calling a locale a SH doesn't mean you're condemning every soul who lives there, or even the majority?A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. Suppose Joe, a businessman, says that Chicago is a SH. Later, while describing his company, Joe mentions that his CFO hails from Chicago. Would your response to Joe be "Hypocrite! You say Chicago is a SH, but you trust a Chicagoan with your company finances. You should have hired a New Yorker since you love New York so much."? Since you're a reasonable man, I'll answer the question for you: No, this would not be your response. It's a non-sequitur. Apply this same logic to Pres. Trump hiring Haitians to work at his hotels. If you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. Don't tell me that. Tell the leaders and citizens of those countries who were insulted by trump's comment.
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Post by dezii on Jan 18, 2018 11:52:02 GMT -5
trump considers Haiti and other black African countries, including South Africa, shitholes, but he has no problem giving Haitians H-2B visas to work as housekeepers at his 'winter white house', aka Mar-a -lago. Why doesn't he offer these Mar-a-lago H-2B visas to Norwegians if he wants more white people coming to our country to work. The Foreign Workers of Mar-a-Lago You realize that calling a locale a SH doesn't mean you're condemning every soul who lives there, or even the majority? A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. Suppose Joe, a businessman, says that Chicago is a SH. Later, while describing his company, Joe mentions that his CFO hails from Chicago. Would your response to Joe be "Hypocrite! You say Chicago is a SH, but you trust a Chicagoan with your company finances. You should have hired a New Yorker since you love New York so much."? Since you're a reasonable man, I'll answer the question for you: No, this would not be your response. It's a non-sequitur. Apply this same logic to Pres. Trump hiring Haitians to work at his hotels. If you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. "f you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. " The man is not a capitalist...he is our POTUS and he rants on how foreign workers are taking jobs from Americans....yet your saying it's ok for him to change hats and put on his "capitalist " hat when it benefits himself.. It's been verified that his resorts do fulfill the law offering jobs / advertising them publicly before going to foreign legal workers.. His managers pick low read media...weekly's...minimum ad two days...small print...legality met then go to the foreign workers...Your suggesting that is fine , ok...I am saying no it isn't ok and correct....
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 18, 2018 16:03:46 GMT -5
You realize that calling a locale a SH doesn't mean you're condemning every soul who lives there, or even the majority? A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. Suppose Joe, a businessman, says that Chicago is a SH. Later, while describing his company, Joe mentions that his CFO hails from Chicago. Would your response to Joe be "Hypocrite! You say Chicago is a SH, but you trust a Chicagoan with your company finances. You should have hired a New Yorker since you love New York so much."? Since you're a reasonable man, I'll answer the question for you: No, this would not be your response. It's a non-sequitur. Apply this same logic to Pres. Trump hiring Haitians to work at his hotels. If you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. "f you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. "The man is not a capitalist...he is our POTUS and he rants on how foreign workers are taking jobs from Americans....yet your saying it's ok for him to change hats and put on his "capitalist " hat when it benefits himself.. It's been verified that his resorts do fulfill the law offering jobs / advertising them publicly before going to foreign legal workers.. His managers pick low read media...weekly's...minimum ad two days...small print...legality met then go to the foreign workers...Your suggesting that is fine , ok...I am saying no it isn't ok and correct.... What happened to "Hire American! Buy American!" Trump and Ivanka are still making their shmatas in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 18, 2018 16:13:01 GMT -5
A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism.
does it hurt bending that much to justify the potty mouth of our CIC?
query: why do you hassle me when i swear?
oh that's right. you're an unrepentant hypocrite. i forgot.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 18, 2018 16:23:24 GMT -5
"f you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. "The man is not a capitalist...he is our POTUS and he rants on how foreign workers are taking jobs from Americans....yet your saying it's ok for him to change hats and put on his "capitalist " hat when it benefits himself.. It's been verified that his resorts do fulfill the law offering jobs / advertising them publicly before going to foreign legal workers.. His managers pick low read media...weekly's...minimum ad two days...small print...legality met then go to the foreign workers...Your suggesting that is fine , ok...I am saying no it isn't ok and correct.... What happened to "Hire American! Buy American!" Trump and Ivanka are still making their shmatas in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh. I heard an interview with the Donald about this back when he was running for POTUS.
He said that he is forced to use foreign workers to make his clothing line because that's what 'all' the clothing manufacturers do, so he has to, too, to maximize his profits.
That's right, the President used the middle school argument 'but everyone else is doing it!' when called out for sending jobs overseas, something he has claimed he would force companies to stop doing if he became president. Seems he can't even stop himself from doing it.
Just another spin from the Spinner in Chief.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 18, 2018 16:41:42 GMT -5
Yeah, he was forced to do it. Everyone knows that billionaires would starve if they paid American workers American wages.
Poor man would be reduced to eating ramen and boxed macaroni and cheese, no doubt.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 18, 2018 17:16:00 GMT -5
You realize that calling a locale a SH doesn't mean you're condemning every soul who lives there, or even the majority?A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. Suppose Joe, a businessman, says that Chicago is a SH. Later, while describing his company, Joe mentions that his CFO hails from Chicago. Would your response to Joe be "Hypocrite! You say Chicago is a SH, but you trust a Chicagoan with your company finances. You should have hired a New Yorker since you love New York so much."? Since you're a reasonable man, I'll answer the question for you: No, this would not be your response. It's a non-sequitur. Apply this same logic to Pres. Trump hiring Haitians to work at his hotels. If you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. Don't tell me that. Tell the leaders and citizens of those countries who were insulted by trump's comment. If they were insulted, perhaps they should do something about their situations. Starting with their leaders not being corrupt.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 18, 2018 17:19:22 GMT -5
Don't tell me that. Tell the leaders and citizens of those countries who were insulted by trump's comment. If they were insulted, perhaps they should do something about their situations. Starting with their leaders not being corrupt. We would probably have a little more credibility if ours weren't.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 18, 2018 17:23:12 GMT -5
These countries have had money poured into them for many years. No improvement. I know it's fun to blame trump but it didn't start with him.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 18, 2018 17:35:46 GMT -5
These countries have had money poured into them for many years. No improvement. I know it's fun to blame trump but it didn't start with him. Have they? I don't know. Haiti, being an island, is a special case, I think. But Africa is huge. I don't see how it's had money pouring into it's countries. Which ones? Has there been a concentration of money pouring into any particular countries there? Really asking, as I'd like to learn more. I think Africa is so big that it would be impossible to do, actually.
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Post by dondub on Jan 18, 2018 17:38:20 GMT -5
Who's blaming Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:59:23 GMT -5
Actually, it refutes your comment that money is flowing into African countries. It's flowing to the Middle East.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 18, 2018 18:08:11 GMT -5
It has flowed in the past and I’m sure they’re still getting some. Guess we’re buying “allies” in the Mideast 🤮
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 18, 2018 18:09:56 GMT -5
These countries have had money poured into them for many years. No improvement. I know it's fun to blame trump but it didn't start with him. they also had money, personnel, and minerals EXTRACTED from them for years. let me guess: not our problem? PS- nobody is blaming trump for anything other than his potty mouth. i presume he is still responsible for it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 18, 2018 18:12:13 GMT -5
DC is a company town for Aramco. trump has not changed that one stitch. in fact, it was his first foreign visit.
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Post by dezii on Jan 18, 2018 18:36:54 GMT -5
"f you're using this to piggyback a complaint that Pres. Trump hires Haitians for his hotels but doesn't want them immigrating: it's called 'capitalism'. Foreign labour is cheaper than domestic labour, and permitted by law; a boon to the capitalist. Immigration of impoverished men to a country with lavish social benefits (such as the US) has ramifications for taxation, which is a burden to the capitalist. Hiring foreign workers and desiring they not immigrate are logically consistent. "The man is not a capitalist...he is our POTUS and he rants on how foreign workers are taking jobs from Americans....yet your saying it's ok for him to change hats and put on his "capitalist " hat when it benefits himself.. It's been verified that his resorts do fulfill the law offering jobs / advertising them publicly before going to foreign legal workers.. His managers pick low read media...weekly's...minimum ad two days...small print...legality met then go to the foreign workers...Your suggesting that is fine , ok...I am saying no it isn't ok and correct.... What happened to "Hire American! Buy American!" Trump and Ivanka are still making their shmatas in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh. Agree as big a pair of hypocrites as any high profile pair in our country's brief history...possible why one of the reason their popularity is still inn the toilet...even with their get together in PA this afternoon...keep repeating same mantra..jobs, bonuses, all due to old Donald...and repeat...some truth to it but also when u repeat a lie enough citizens start to believe it...borrowed from Herr Goebbels back in the 1930's carried through right to last days of Third Reich in 1945...even as he and wife poisoned their five kids and did away with each other... That majority of that base had stopped believing that lie a long tie before thec end...some still did go along with it right to the end...possible same thing here too...
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 18, 2018 20:48:11 GMT -5
37.9 billion doesn't seem.like that much, but stabilizing the mid east would probably save us a shit ton of money, not to mention security.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 19, 2018 8:45:27 GMT -5
All of a sudden these countries are nothing but paradise? Anyone go on a Caribean cruise in the last ten years or so? Do you think the ship's warnings of not going too far off the beaten path is all bullshit? I have yet to read any thread ever started on the boards attacking cruise lines for saying it can be dangerous for you due to robbery or worse.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 19, 2018 9:06:49 GMT -5
All of a sudden these countries are nothing but paradise? Anyone go on a Caribean cruise in the last ten years or so? Do you think the ship's warnings of not going too far off the beaten path is all bullshit? I have yet to read any thread ever started on the boards attacking cruise lines for saying it can be dangerous for you due to robbery or worse. I have been to Citi Sole, Port Au Prince, and Cap-Haitien. Haiti is a literal shit-hole. You cannot even TOUCH water there. We wore masks because the dust contains fecal matter-- people literally just defecate any old where. They will often not even know someone has died for days- an orphaned infant child might be found dead laying next to his mother in a hut with a dirt floor (no floor)-- and aside from the obvious heart-breaking tragedy of the whole thing, it's extremely dangerous to one's health. These are the places the politicians and Hollywood stars don't go. They set up tents at the airport, or the cruise terminals and then allow a limited number of VERY carefully vetted people- mostly children- through to get photo ops of them handing out water. They're not in the villages where I've been-- they've likely never even driven through them.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 19, 2018 9:24:05 GMT -5
A for instance: 'SH' is used rather liberally on our board to describe American cities rife with corruption and American states beset by racism. does it hurt bending that much to justify the potty mouth of our CIC? query: why do you hassle me when i swear? oh that's right. you're an unrepentant hypocrite. i forgot. I'm not justifying Pres. Trump's use of language. It's crass and unprofessional, not unlike your tendency to swear. I reject the false criticism of YMAM members upset by Pres. Trump's use of the same language they use, as though calling Haiti a hole were unacceptably derogatory if and only if uttered by an elected official. As grits says, "The actions of the leaders tend to be a reflection of the people." Finally, I'm pointing out the obvious: that calling a locale a hole, either here or in the White House, isn't an indictment of everyone who lives there. On the many occasions you've personally called places holes, I've always assumed your indictment referred to some quality of a place: corruption, low quality of life, poverty, ethnic strife, etc. Unless you want to go on record admitting what you really meant was that you revile the places, everyone in them, and their predominant races, I'm going to give your president the same benefit of the doubt. As his own son said, he sees green and not-green, not black and white. From a green vs. not-green perspective, it's not hard to imagine why he'd call Haiti a hole.
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