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Post by dezii on Jan 14, 2018 0:25:42 GMT -5
I know many Canadians, coast to coast, and they won't even visit the USA any more. Like me, they won't spend a dime there as long as Trump is in power. 2017 trade stats aren't out yet, but if there's been so much as a 10% drop in Canadian travel to the US and business to the US since Pres. Trump took office, I'll hug a snow leopard. And the only reason I'm hedging with 10% is because travel fluctuate that much in a given year anyway. A lot of things about the US irk Canadians, with the NAFTA posturing being one of the most recent. But these spats amount to noise in the grand scheme of US-Canada relations. I daresay there's no stronger international tie between two nations anywhere else on Earth, and that includes between member states of the EU. Incidentally, your being permitted to call other members ignorant and delusional doesn't mean you have to go around saying, "You're ignorant." and "You're delusional." like a child showing off her first swear word. "Incidentally, your being permitted to call other members ignorant and delusional doesn't mean you have to go around saying, "You're ignorant." and "You're delusional." like a child showing off her first swear word. "
Absolutly agree...no need at all...
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Post by dezii on Jan 14, 2018 0:37:29 GMT -5
All great / powerful countries have done so...because of many reasons. Actually u would think now we would have learned our lesson but the man in charge, to pander to a minority of the population with racial and financial fears is doing that today...we are under the control of a minority fring...a A h of a leader...in less then a year the country has turned from one beloved and emulated by millions in so many countries to one of the most hated countries....who would have believed it. Think about it...admired countries..China, Russia...Iran... We are despised or if to strong a word, disliked by most of European countries, major Asian countries....and middle east..even our allies are not happy with us and the rest have always hated us...and the whole continent of Africa...oh wait, were loved in Israel... [whoopee]
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2018 8:01:40 GMT -5
Pffft. A 6/7 percent MoM travel decline as of last Juin, based at least in part in the rise in the Loonie. Some "shit list". Maybe if you'd said "The US is 6% on Canada's shit list." According to US news Canada is overwhelmed by our refugees. Excellent news!
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2018 8:04:34 GMT -5
Yes, supposedly there have been millions of dollars poured into Haiti. Funds that ended up in corrupt hands in Haiti as well as “foundations” on the US side. Continuing to pour money into a situation that isn’t prepared to do anything constructive is stupid. Kind of like the UN
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2018 8:06:03 GMT -5
Norway is going to regret their decision to take in refugees.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2018 10:46:50 GMT -5
Norway is going to regret their decision to take in refugees. so are Native Americans
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 14, 2018 12:01:53 GMT -5
Oh please I can't even drive down the road without having some car with Canadian tags slowing up traffic. They are everywhere! A lot of seniors own condos in the US. They're not going to abandon the condos and freeze here. But just to visit? Not so much. Then why are they not selling for a profit and getting out? The housing market here is on fire and the Canadian dollar is up almost 10% in a year against the dollar, so they are now in positive cash flow. They would not be abandoning them. Perhaps they do not want to pay on the profit of their investment to your government? Our Florida community is about 65% single family, 35% condo. Our development has about 7% Canadian owners. Our SFH street consists of about 20 homes on a cul de sac. We have to my knowledge, today, seven Canadian owners, two which bought here in 2017. All but two spend about five to six months here, the limit your country allows them. Two families, have moved here permanently. Canadians are more omnipresent here this year around the entire SWFL landscape than last year. Why? The local paper says, Canadians buying and renting now because the Canadian dollar is gaining strength, and goes further in their purchasing power. They do not care about the politics of our leaders, and many do talk about your PM in less than flattering terms, but since they are all "nice people" they also sugar coat their thoughts to us.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 14, 2018 12:30:53 GMT -5
So, I can call another poster delusional or ignorant without getting my hand slapped? I don't believe you. Yes, you can. Neither is a personal insult. Calling someone a liar is a personal insult. Being ignorant isn't purposeful; nor, is holding ideas that seem delusional. Lying, however, is purposeful. I hope that helps to explain the difference in terminology. Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process. Regardless, it makes it a less than inviting place to roam. I have already been called ignorant. Virgil, something else in one thread! It obviously does show how immature some posters are though. That is a consolation. (I only used this quote for responding, since the explanation is here)
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Post by dezii on Jan 14, 2018 15:39:23 GMT -5
Yes, you can. Neither is a personal insult. Calling someone a liar is a personal insult. Being ignorant isn't purposeful; nor, is holding ideas that seem delusional. Lying, however, is purposeful. I hope that helps to explain the difference in terminology. Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process. Regardless, it makes it a less than inviting place to roam. I have already been called ignorant. Virgil, something else in one thread! It obviously does show how immature some posters are though. That is a consolation. (I only used this quote for responding, since the explanation is here) "while conservatives will be purged in the same process."You've been asked to leave?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 14, 2018 16:01:14 GMT -5
Yes, you can. Neither is a personal insult. Calling someone a liar is a personal insult. Being ignorant isn't purposeful; nor, is holding ideas that seem delusional. Lying, however, is purposeful. I hope that helps to explain the difference in terminology. Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process.Regardless, it makes it a less than inviting place to roam. I have already been called ignorant. Virgil, something else in one thread! It obviously does show how immature some posters are though. That is a consolation. (I only used this quote for responding, since the explanation is here) Constantly crying victimhood. It's what you and other conservatives do.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 14, 2018 16:33:26 GMT -5
Like the “Christians” who cry they are being persecuted when they aren’t permitted to discriminate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2018 17:32:28 GMT -5
Yes, you can. Neither is a personal insult. Calling someone a liar is a personal insult. Being ignorant isn't purposeful; nor, is holding ideas that seem delusional. Lying, however, is purposeful. I hope that helps to explain the difference in terminology. Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process. how did you reach that conclusion? do conservatives have a higher propensity for tossing around the L word? it might be well to note that i was the one that got censored. me. LIBERAL. so...yeah. not getting you, here.
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Post by dezii on Jan 14, 2018 17:33:48 GMT -5
Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process.Regardless, it makes it a less than inviting place to roam. I have already been called ignorant. Virgil, something else in one thread! It obviously does show how immature some posters are though. That is a consolation. (I only used this quote for responding, since the explanation is here) Constantly crying victimhood. It's what you and other conservatives do. For quite a long time now this board has leaned left...not right...At one time there were quite a few more to the right posters but for what ever reason they left...It is what it is...I am sure there are plenty of sites that are very, even exclusively conservative out there...thankfully, this one does not.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 14, 2018 18:11:16 GMT -5
Oh, I can see how this makes the board a much more inviting place to be. Somehow, I think the liberal side will be able to survive it,(there are so many more of them, a simple matter of large scale numbers) while conservatives will be purged in the same process. how did you reach that conclusion? do conservatives have a higher propensity for tossing around the L word? it might be well to note that i was the one that got censored. me. LIBERAL. so...yeah. not getting you, here. I get censored all the time, and have had many posts removed. The cons can whine about how the mods have it in for them, and how certain posters are "protected", but it's bullshit.
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Post by MN-Investor on Jan 14, 2018 20:10:01 GMT -5
Found on Twitter: "The people of Haiti don't want an apology from Trump; just a lock of his hair...."
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 14, 2018 21:09:48 GMT -5
here is the whole point. Trump missed it, and half the people posting on this thread miss it: people come here to better their lives, folks. they come from...."bad situations". that doesn't make them bad people. you all...WE all...are blessed with the bounty of where were were born. out of the 5B people on this planet, half of whom face grinding poverty on a daily basis, essentially NONE live here in the US. when we say "we don't want you because you come from a shithole" you are sentencing them to a life of misery and suffering without any way out- no matter how much vitality, energy, and intelligence they might bring to this place. do you have any idea how arrogant, self centered, and cruel that sounds? no? this country is rapidly becoming a place i don't want to be associated with. I can see the point you're trying to make. But for most of this country's history, there were lots of jobs for people without an education and very few social services. In those circumstances, bringing in a bunch of uneducated people from dysfunctional countries makes sense. There's plenty for them to do and it isn't going to cost the country much of anything if they fail. Now the economy has changed. We have a large number of poorly educated people already in this country and not enough living wage jobs for them to be financially independent. Continuing to import large numbers of uneducated people will only further depress wages on the lower end, making it harder for someone born into modest circumstances to get ahead. When I went to college 20 years ago, I knew plenty of guys who weren't getting a penny of help from their families but were still able to earn a significant chunk of their tuition by spending their summers working dirty jobs (canneries, construction, slaughterhouses). But in a lot of places, those jobs have been taken over by illegals and even if you can get in, the wages for these jobs haven't kept up with inflation. At this point, there is something to be said for prioritizing people who have the skills to be self sufficient.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2018 21:15:52 GMT -5
here is the whole point. Trump missed it, and half the people posting on this thread miss it: people come here to better their lives, folks. they come from...."bad situations". that doesn't make them bad people. you all...WE all...are blessed with the bounty of where were were born. out of the 5B people on this planet, half of whom face grinding poverty on a daily basis, essentially NONE live here in the US. when we say "we don't want you because you come from a shithole" you are sentencing them to a life of misery and suffering without any way out- no matter how much vitality, energy, and intelligence they might bring to this place. do you have any idea how arrogant, self centered, and cruel that sounds? no? this country is rapidly becoming a place i don't want to be associated with. I can see the point you're trying to make. But for most of this country's history, there were lots of jobs for people without an education and very few social services. In those circumstances, bringing in a bunch of uneducated people from dysfunctional countries makes sense. There's plenty for them to do and it isn't going to cost the country much of anything if they fail. Now the economy has changed. We have a large number of poorly educated people already in this country and not enough living wage jobs for them to be financially independent. Continuing to import large numbers of uneducated people will only further depress wages on the lower end, making it harder for someone born into modest circumstances to get ahead. When I went to college 20 years ago, I knew plenty of guys who weren't getting a penny of help from their families but were still able to earn a significant chunk of their tuition by spending their summers working dirty jobs (canneries, construction, slaughterhouses). But in a lot of places, those jobs have been taken over by illegals and even if you can get in, the wages for these jobs haven't kept up with inflation. At this point, there is something to be said for prioritizing people who have the skills to be self sufficient. i'll take the risk of seeming nativist or elitist in replying to this post. i will agree that the economy has changed- but not in the way that most Trump supporters like to think. it is not the case that immigrants are now occupying part of the food chain that 2nd or 3rd or 10th generation Americans want to occupy. rather it is the case that the 2nd rung on the food chain is no longer paying enough. what has happened in the last decade is that somehow IMMIGRANTS have been blamed for that, even though NET IMMIGRATION INTO THE US IS ZERO. think about that. so, we have a period of stagnating wages, where half the population is slowly drowning in a combination of house-poor and healthcare-poor. but rather than demanding higher wages that would fix that problem, apparently we are listening to our masters and blaming "immigrants" because...well, they are not us. it is a shame, not only because it is knee jerk, but because it won't actually solve the problem. today the high was 62F and the low was 56F in Malta.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 14, 2018 21:18:54 GMT -5
Found on Twitter: "The people of Haiti don't want an apology from Trump; just a lock of his hair...." Lol! Love it!
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 14, 2018 22:22:36 GMT -5
Constantly crying victimhood. It's what you and other conservatives do. For quite a long time now this board has leaned left...not right...At one time there were quite a few more to the right posters but for what ever reason they left...It is what it is...I am sure there are plenty of sites that are very, even exclusively conservative out there...thankfully, this one does not. In my real life, I'm not the only person that went from Independent, confused and having opinions on both sides of the aisle to identifying as a Democrat due to the last couple of years of the GOP. Maybe that happened to a few on this board, too.
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Post by steff on Jan 14, 2018 22:28:37 GMT -5
how did you reach that conclusion? do conservatives have a higher propensity for tossing around the L word? it might be well to note that i was the one that got censored. me. LIBERAL. so...yeah. not getting you, here. I get censored all the time, and have had many posts removed. The cons can whine about how the mods have it in for them, and how certain posters are "protected", but it's bullshit. I get my hands smacked here all the time. Happened again just the other day.
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Post by pooks on Jan 15, 2018 0:04:27 GMT -5
For quite a long time now this board has leaned left...not right...At one time there were quite a few more to the right posters but for what ever reason they left...It is what it is...I am sure there are plenty of sites that are very, even exclusively conservative out there...thankfully, this one does not. In my real life, I'm not the only person that went from Independent, confused and having opinions on both sides of the aisle to identifying as a Democrat due to the last couple of years of the GOP. Maybe that happened to a few on this board, too. I went from republican (voted R everywhere but president in 2016) to being completely horrified by the republican party. When they went along with Trump, I left the party.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 15, 2018 0:16:37 GMT -5
i was a registered Republican in the last election. i have a more libertarian streak than the mainstream part of the party, but libertarians don't run left here, unfortunately (i might be able to go for that). i changed to Unaffiliated as soon as i got back from Costa Rica (i was gone during the election).
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Post by kadee79 on Jan 15, 2018 0:25:59 GMT -5
I'm only a Republican in our primaries, otherwise, I get no say in local elections.
In the general elections...I vote for person not party.
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Post by dezii on Jan 15, 2018 1:32:24 GMT -5
I get censored all the time, and have had many posts removed. The cons can whine about how the mods have it in for them, and how certain posters are "protected", but it's bullshit. I get my hands smacked here all the time. Happened again just the other day. I think from comments over time , some here feel I get away with a lot of stuff... Hey mmhmm...up to telling how much and many times u and I have gone at it...Ok, don't have to..just kidding..[not about our interactions] just the fact of...
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Post by steff on Jan 15, 2018 3:07:15 GMT -5
It will probably shock some, but since moving to Georgia, I have on more than one occasion voted for a Republican. On the town/county level, there often isn't even a Democrat on the ticket. On the state level, I voted for the Republican Gov'n choice over the Tea Party choice. I also voted for a Republican gov'n choice once because I liked the way he handled a crisis situation in the state & didn't like certain aspects of the Democrat candidate. I have never voted for a Republican on a Federal level.
I am eagerly looking forward to finally seeing Democratic candidate on our county/state tickets for a change.
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Post by emma1420 on Jan 15, 2018 11:26:52 GMT -5
Norway is grappling with a lot of the same issues as the US and a lot of countries. I'm curious if they will also see a decline in support for social services as their population diversifies. It's a well known side effect. I'm surprised that the US election isn't put in a greater context. We aren't special. There are populist/anti-immigrant movements in many countries. bostonreview.net/world/sindre-bangstad-norway-populist-rightI think it's unlikely. Take Brexit. That was never about not spending on social services for their population. Instead it was about not funding social services adequately enough. Hell, the whole mantra of the pro-Brexit movement was that millions of pounds per week could be send to the NHS rather than Brussels. Even here in the US many Trump voters liked him initially because he specifically said he wouldn't cut social security, medicaid, medicare, etc. He said that he would get better cheaper health insurance for everyone. He was talking about spending more on social services not less.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 15, 2018 11:32:16 GMT -5
Norway is grappling with a lot of the same issues as the US and a lot of countries. I'm curious if they will also see a decline in support for social services as their population diversifies. It's a well known side effect. I'm surprised that the US election isn't put in a greater context. We aren't special. There are populist/anti-immigrant movements in many countries. bostonreview.net/world/sindre-bangstad-norway-populist-rightI think it's unlikely. Take Brexit. That was never about not spending on social services for their population. Instead it was about not funding social services adequately enough. Hell, the whole mantra of the pro-Brexit movement was that millions of pounds per week could be send to the NHS rather than Brussels. Even here in the US many Trump voters liked him initially because he specifically said he wouldn't cut social security, medicaid, medicare, etc. He said that he would get better cheaper health insurance for everyone. He was talking about spending more on social services not less. Well, that was back when we thought we could believe what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 11:57:25 GMT -5
Trump has never been someone anyone should have trusted. I think we need comprehensive psychological education in the schools.
People need to learn what NPD is, how it's "sufferers" behave and truly think about other people (or don't), and how to spot people who are psychopaths/sociopaths, so they don't get to run your church or lead your country.
Malignant narcissists are dangerous, and Trump is no different. He proves it every time he sits on the toilet and gets out the Twitter... And, it's a proven fact that it can't be changed. He will never be "more presidential" or whatever you want to call it. His behavior comes from his personality.
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Post by swamp on Jan 15, 2018 12:44:49 GMT -5
I think it's unlikely. Take Brexit. That was never about not spending on social services for their population. Instead it was about not funding social services adequately enough. Hell, the whole mantra of the pro-Brexit movement was that millions of pounds per week could be send to the NHS rather than Brussels. Even here in the US many Trump voters liked him initially because he specifically said he wouldn't cut social security, medicaid, medicare, etc. He said that he would get better cheaper health insurance for everyone. He was talking about spending more on social services not less. Well, that was back when we thought we could believe what he said.
There was a time we could believe what he said?
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