More proof the fix was in for Hillary to win the primary

[dezii]

Nov 5, 2017 15:57:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Nov 5, 2017 15:34:11 GMT -5 Opti said:

Agreed. Because the dossier was written by a British National. That's who was paid. If the Briton spoke to Russians, its to be expected as he was hired to do so.

No payment to Russia.

And not a payment to any foreign government either!

AND, I wish some would get it through their heads...BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!  He is an independent who ran as a Democrat to get national attention.  He has done NOTHING for the democratic party and just how much did he fund raise for the DNC?

and I believe, something I read some where..that for all his years in the Senate and there were / are so many...he really had little  input, influence in legislation beyond voting yea or nay...few if any bills...even co sponsored....just saying...yet still felt qualified to run for POTUS..

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Nov 5, 2017 7:37:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 3, 2017 20:42:19 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oops...


Elizabeth Warren and Donna Brazile both now agree the 2016 Democratic primary was rigged
November 2 at 5:04 PM

The former interim head of the Democratic Party just accused Hillary Clinton's campaign of “unethical” conduct that “compromised the party's integrity.” The Clinton campaign's alleged sin: A hostile takeover of the Democratic National Committee before her primary with Sen. Bernie Sanders had concluded.

Donna Brazile's op-ed in Politico is the equivalent of taking the smoldering embers of the 2016 primary and throwing some gasoline on them. Just about everything she says in the piece will inflame Sanders's passionate supporters who were already suspicious of the Democratic establishment and already had reason to believe — based on leaked DNC emails — that the committee wasn't as neutral in the primary as it was supposed to be.

But the op-ed doesn't break too much new provable, factual ground, relying more upon Brazile's own perception of the situation and hearsay.

...



(great videos at the link)

Source: www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/02/ex-dnc-chair-goes-at-the-clintons-alleging-hillarys-campaign-hijacked-dnc-during-primary-with-bernie-sanders/?utm_term=.56cd632c251d

Duh. Have you read the assessment that Bernie wouldn't have won anyway? BTW, there is no requirement of either party being neutral. That's an expectation of some Joe Voters which is almost like expecting big companies to pass up longtime company faithful employees for positions and hire outsiders.

The parties are not non-profits and do not exist to be fair. They exist to promote their interests and ideals. I am surprised its still a big deal for some here after all this time discussing it.

Yes, I've read that assessment... and dismissed it out-of-hand, as it was pure speculation (kind of like "Hillary would have won if not for Russia").

And yes, I know that there's no REQUIREMENT for any party to be fair... but it's kind of misleading to the members of their own party to bother even having votes if they aren't going to matter. If the PARTY is going to pick the nominee... just say so in the first place. 

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Nov 5, 2017 16:23:37 GMT -5 dezii said:

Nov 5, 2017 15:57:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

And not a payment to any foreign government either!

AND, I wish some would get it through their heads...BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!  He is an independent who ran as a Democrat to get national attention.  He has done NOTHING for the democratic party and just how much did he fund raise for the DNC?

and I believe, something I read some where..that for all his years in the Senate and there were / are so many...he really had little  input, influence in legislation beyond voting yea or nay...few if any bills...even co sponsored....just saying...yet still felt qualified to run for POTUS..

At least he wasn't a criminal... (can't say the same about Hillary)

[billisonboard]

Nov 5, 2017 20:29:09 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

... If the PARTY is going to pick the nominee... just say so in the first place. 

I agree. Now back to the reality of the 2016 Democratic Party nomination process.

[dondub]

Hillary died before the election. The Parkinson's Disease and Brain Cancer combined to bring her down. That faint became permanent and she was replaced by a well trained imposter.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 6, 2017 17:41:15 GMT -5 dondub said:

Hillary died before the election. The Parkinson's Disease and Brain Cancer combined to bring her down. That faint became permanent and she was replaced by a well trained imposter.

If I remember correctly, one particular poster was pushing this theory on us for a few days:

Clinton Body Double Count
#HillarysBodyDouble took over Twitter with claims that lookalike Teresa Barnwell had appeared in New York to impersonate Hillary Clinton after the candidate left a 9/11 event following a medical incident.

On 11 September 2016, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton made headlines for appearing unsteady on her feet before abruptly leaving a 9/11 memorial event (a phenomenon later attributed to pneumonia).

Two hours later, Clinton appeared outside daughter Chelsea Clinton’s apartment, sparking rumors (along with a hashtag, #HillarysBodyDouble) that political impersonator Teresa Barnwell had “filled in” for the candidate in public later in the day to create a false appearance of renewed vigor.

The rumor took off on Twitter alongside the aforementioned hashtag, with a number of details appended to the intriguing mystery. Twitter users were confused by Clinton’s seemingly vast medical improvement in the space of two hours and referenced a widely-circulated clip of a visibly recovered of the presidential candidate:

More:  Snopes: Clinton Body Double Count

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Nov 6, 2017 17:41:15 GMT -5 dondub said:

Hillary died before the election. The Parkinson's Disease and Brain Cancer combined to bring her down. That faint became permanent and she was replaced by a well trained imposter.

All of that was horse puckey, and anyone who knew anything about reality knew it then.

[dondub]

Are you sure? I can't tell if that is an opinion or a fact.

[justme]

Oct 30, 2017 10:46:59 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 30, 2017 10:10:03 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Conservatives are like a dog with a bone about Hillary.  They can't let go of the fact that she lost the election and is therefore irrelevant.  

Maybe by the time I die they will stop talking about her.

Well they won't stop after she's dead. There will be zombie Hillary, cryogenically frozen Hillary, cyborg Hillary, Hillary hiding where Elvis is, Hilary downloaded herself to computers and is voting as an illegal alien everywhere...

He, these are fun to come up with.

[justme]

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

[Tennesseer]

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

Blaming Clinton for trump is like blaming guns for mass shootings. Clinton didn't elect trump. Voters elected trump.

[Opti]

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

That narrative is especially funny because in the earlier days of the two parties primaries, it was thought Trump would be the least likely candidate to prevail over Clinton ... so you kind of wonder what mental gymnastics have to occur to believe Clinton's existence inspired, no actually made happen that Trump was the nominee.

I'll take conservative fantasies for $1200 Alex...

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2017 13:50:14 GMT -5 dondub said:

Are you sure? I can't tell if that is an opinion or a fact.

If ever in doubt whether something that I state is opinion or fact, look for the words "opinion", "guess", or "belief"/"believe" used by me, and referring to me (examples: "in my opinion...", "it's my belief that...", "I guess...", "I believe...")... in those instances it will be opinion.

They can usually clear up any confusion that you may have (if you don't know those words, here's a link to a dictionary: OED)

[Value Buy]

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

Of course there are no people in this thread who voted for Trump and will not admit it. Most of the women here are in the "It's our turn" camp and would have voted for an ax murderer if they were on the ticket. Actually they sort of did......
Now the men, that is another story. I imagine there were a few (ok, maybe only one) who crossed over and will never admit it here.

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Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

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Nov 7, 2017 20:50:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

That narrative is especially funny because in the earlier days of the two parties primaries, it was thought Trump would be the least likely candidate to prevail over Clinton ... so you kind of wonder what mental gymnastics have to occur to believe Clinton's existence inspired, no actually made happen that Trump was the nominee.

I'll take conservative fantasies for $1200 Alex...

Early in the primaries, I said Trump's only chance (if he got the Republican nomination) was if Hillary were to win the Democrat nomination.

[justme]

Nov 7, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

A) any excuses are disingenuous - if you voted for Trump you are 100% responsible for what he did and B) I highly doubt those "I voted for trump because I couldn't vote for Hillary" would have honestly voted for Bernie.

[justme]

Nov 7, 2017 23:07:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

Of course there are no people in this thread who voted for Trump and will not admit it. Most of the women here are in the "It's our turn" camp and would have voted for an ax murderer if they were on the ticket. Actually they sort of did......
Now the men, that is another story. I imagine there were a few (ok, maybe only one) who crossed over and will never admit it here.

There might be a few that voted for her, but I also know there's more than a few former repubs that voted for her because they couldn't vote for trump. And I'm guessing gender didn't come into play for a lot more. Most is grossly overstated from what I've seen.


Btw - check your reading comprehension. Not once did I say they didn't admit they voted for trump. You'd have a sliver more credibility if you responded to what I actually wrote.

[thyme4change]

Nov 7, 2017 23:07:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

Of course there are no people in this thread who voted for Trump and will not admit it. Most of the women here are in the "It's our turn" camp and would have voted for an ax murderer if they were on the ticket. Actually they sort of did......
Now the men, that is another story. I imagine there were a few (ok, maybe only one) who crossed over and will never admit it here.

Both my husband and I would have voted for an ax murderer over Trump. Doesn't need to be female. Really, get Tounces the driving cat to run in 2020, and he's got my vote.

[dondub]

If ever in doubt whether something that I state is opinion or fact, look for the words "opinion", "guess", or "belief"/"believe" used by me, and referring to me (examples: "in my opinion...", "it's my belief that...", "I guess...", "I believe...")... in those instances it will be opinion.

They can usually clear up any confusion that you may have (if you don't know those words, here's a link to a dictionary: OED)
 


I'm actually never confused by anything you post, but feel free to ramble on anyway. In the meantime, you were the one that was confused. My post you responded to was complete

sarcasm. You get the whoosh award for butting in and then taking it seriously.

[Opti]

Nov 7, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Nov 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Are there seriously people in this thread who voted for and in turn elected a male narcissistic megalomaniac blaming all he has wrought and will wrought on the female that wasn't elected?


Did you blame everything Obama did on McCain and Romney? Oh, you didn't did you.

FFS

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

Wrong. Those who have delusional feelings about Hillary and lean conservative might say something like that, but real smart people wouldn't. The anti-dynasty thing worked against Jeb Bush (two Bush Presidents) and Hillary (spouse was President, she was Sec of State). Republicans who nominated Trump need to suck it up and admit they are the reason he was the nominee and a large part of why he got elected.

You can blame me and others for getting Hillary nominated. I will accept no blame for Trumps election. That's on the people who voted for him. And to some extent those who didn't, who like you play apologist for him and trot out tried and false Hillary narratives. Speaking of rocks being rocks. Some folks apparently are incapable of seeing Hillary accurately ... so I suppose since they can't help it we should just ignore it and wait until they have something else to obsess on.

[Value Buy]

Nov 8, 2017 1:50:12 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 7, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

Wrong. Those who have delusional feelings about Hillary and lean conservative might say something like that, but real smart people wouldn't. The anti-dynasty thing worked against Jeb Bush (two Bush Presidents) and Hillary (spouse was President, she was Sec of State). Republicans who nominated Trump need to suck it up and admit they are the reason he was the nominee and a large part of why he got elected.

You can blame me and others for getting Hillary nominated. I will accept no blame for Trumps election. That's on the people who voted for him. And to some extent those who didn't, who like you play apologist for him and trot out tried and false Hillary narratives. Speaking of rocks being rocks. Some folks apparently are incapable of seeing Hillary accurately ... so I suppose since they can't help it we should just ignore it and wait until they have something else to obsess on.

And yet many posters here refuse to believe or admit it was the soccer mom crowd of the Democrats who went Trump last year.
I guess the soccer moms became delusional and racists overnight.

[Opti]

Nov 8, 2017 5:52:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 8, 2017 1:50:12 GMT -5 Opti said:

Wrong. Those who have delusional feelings about Hillary and lean conservative might say something like that, but real smart people wouldn't. The anti-dynasty thing worked against Jeb Bush (two Bush Presidents) and Hillary (spouse was President, she was Sec of State). Republicans who nominated Trump need to suck it up and admit they are the reason he was the nominee and a large part of why he got elected.

You can blame me and others for getting Hillary nominated. I will accept no blame for Trumps election. That's on the people who voted for him. And to some extent those who didn't, who like you play apologist for him and trot out tried and false Hillary narratives. Speaking of rocks being rocks. Some folks apparently are incapable of seeing Hillary accurately ... so I suppose since they can't help it we should just ignore it and wait until they have something else to obsess on.

And yet many posters here refuse to believe or admit it was the soccer mom crowd of the Democrats who went Trump last year.
I guess the soccer moms became delusional and racists overnight.

Its probably because I don't think the soccer mom crowd went for Trump. What happened in some of the places like Wisconsin, that tipped Trump into the win column is enough Democrats simply stayed home and enough Trump voters voted. And more independents voted for Trump than for Hillary.

Turnout and interest in the election has always made a difference. Locally the Democrats pushed for Democrats to go out and vote and win some races. I'm not sure how well it worked in my county, but I do know the newly elected county clerk is a registered Democrat. Republicans have held that position for over 35 years. The incumbent only won by less than 1% of the votes cast in 2012. The Democratic challenger won by about 1% of the votes cast.

[Opti]

Video interlude whether you care about how soccer moms, Nascar dads, or whomever voted.

[thyme4change]

The suburbs are seething hell holes.

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Nov 7, 2017 23:19:23 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 7, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

A) any excuses are disingenuous - if you voted for Trump you are 100% responsible for what he did and B) I highly doubt those "I voted for Trump because I couldn't vote for Hillary" would have honestly voted for Bernie.

A> I agree... excuses usually are. Reasons however, usually aren't. But, voting for someone only makes them, the voter, partially responsible for that person being elected. After that, the candidate is responsible for what they do. At most the voter can be held partially responsible for giving the candidate the chance to do what they do.

B> Some of them might have, and some of them might not have... but... more importantly, if they couldn't support the "non-Hillary" Democrat nominee... they probably would have just stayed home. If you take away the "Never Hillary, at ANY cost" voters that went to Trump... well... the outcome is mighty different.

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Nov 8, 2017 1:39:42 GMT -5 dondub said:

If ever in doubt whether something that I state is opinion or fact, look for the words "opinion", "guess", or "belief"/"believe" used by me, and referring to me (examples: "in my opinion...", "it's my belief that...", "I guess...", "I believe...")... in those instances it will be opinion.

They can usually clear up any confusion that you may have (if you don't know those words, here's a link to a dictionary: OED)
 


I'm actually never confused by anything you post, but feel free to ramble on anyway. In the meantime, you were the one that was confused. My post you responded to was complete

sarcasm. You get the whoosh award for butting in and then taking it seriously.

I figured you MEANT it as sarcasm (or maybe even rhetorical), but whether you intended to or not, you did ask a legitimate question... so I gave you the legitimate, and factual answer.

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Nov 8, 2017 1:50:12 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 7, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The smart people blame the Hillary SUPPORTERS for Trump... because without the almost violently ill reaction to her being the Democrat candidate that sensible people had, Trump would not have been elected.

Only an idiot would blame Hillary herself. She can't help but be the crooked corrupt egomaniac that she is. "A thing is what it is, it's not it's fault. A rock is a rock, a tree is a tree.".... that saying applies to people as well, and in this case: a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary is just a corrupt, lying, cheating, swindling, conniving, security-non-conscious Hillary. She can't help it. It's not her fault.

Wrong. Those who have delusional feelings about Hillary and lean conservative might say something like that, but real smart people wouldn't. The anti-dynasty thing worked against Jeb Bush (two Bush Presidents) and Hillary (spouse was President, she was Sec of State). Republicans who nominated Trump need to suck it up and admit they are the reason he was the nominee and a large part of why he got elected.

You can blame me and others for getting Hillary nominated. I will accept no blame for Trumps election. That's on the people who voted for him. And to some extent those who didn't, who like you play apologist for him and trot out tried and false Hillary narratives. Speaking of rocks being rocks. Some folks apparently are incapable of seeing Hillary accurately ... so I suppose since they can't help it we should just ignore it and wait until they have something else to obsess on.

A few of things you have wrong in that post:

1> It's not wrong. It's absolutely 100% accurate. I know that you don't like it, but your dislike of it doesn't change the facts... if not for Hillary being the Democrat nominee, Trump wouldn't have won.

2> It's not "anti-dynasty" alone that did Hillary in. It's was her being a known corrupt lying politician that was for sale that did her in more than anything else... including the "dynasty" label.

3> I agree that Republicans need to suck it up and admit that they nominated Trump. BUT, Republicans always nominate a disaster in waiting. That's not news. All the Democrats need to do to win is nominate someone that doesn't suck worse than the Republican nominee. This past election, they failed to do that. Miserably.

4> What you will accept and what the reality actually is are two entirely different things. If I don't accept that the world is (generally speaking) round, does that make the world NOT round just because I don't accept it? NO. Reality is what reality is... whether we accept it or not.

5> I've never been a Trump apologist. Stop repeating provably false claims against him and I'll stop correcting them. You might remember, whenever someone posted false claims against Hillary I defended her then too. I defend the truth. Period. regardless of who benefits from that defense. There's PLENTY of true garbage about Trump... I wish people would stick to the true stuff.

6> I agree that that there are many that are incapable of seeing Hillary accurately... they are the ones that for some inexplicable reason continue to support and defend her.

[Value Buy]

Nov 8, 2017 14:56:40 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The suburbs are seething hell holes.

YEH, the democrats move out of the Democratic inner city hell holes and decide to vote Democrats into office in their new home areas that were safe zones for them, and twenty years later, they move further out from the burbs because they are now democratic hell holes riddled with the same crime and high property taxes they no longer can afford.......