More proof the fix was in for Hillary to win the primary

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Fusion Collusion is THE scandal of our time-- far bigger than Watergate. People had their houses raided; they've had legal expenses, we've had a year-long investigation at great expense to the taxpayers, people were spied on by intelligence services and unmasked-- this is an unbelievable amount of corruption. Heads have to roll. 

Just for starters, Mueller MUST be fired; and the "Russia investigation" must be directed towards the real crimes.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

There's also an "unnamed Republican" involved. Be fun to guess who that would be? I'm putting my money on Jeb!

[swamp]

Oct 25, 2017 10:35:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 25, 2017 9:53:41 GMT -5 swamp said:

I care because of Trump has business ties to Russia that he has been lying about I think his ties are really important to know about. He can't seem to say anything bad about Russia well he feels free to go off in a tweet storm about every other national leader.

And I care about Podesta and Clinton because they colluded for financial reasons with a foreign entity.

then you should be in complete support of the probe against trump. 

[Deleted]

My $ is on Jeb.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Hannity: "Tick Tock...massive news about to break in the Uranium One Russia-Clinton bribery / extortion / racketeering scandal...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 25, 2017 12:44:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

Oct 25, 2017 10:35:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And I care about Podesta and Clinton because they colluded for financial reasons with a foreign entity.

then you should be in complete support of the probe against Trump. 

I'm in support of a probe-- not conducted by a member of the federal agency that is caught up in the scandal (we know for a fact now that the FBI continued to pay Steele to make shit up until his name showed up in the press)-- into exactly who came up with the dossier idea, who executed it, and why the FBI and the CIA thought it appropriate to use it as a pretext to spy on and unmask people in the Trump camp? Were they misled and goaded into it (which is illegal), or did they knowingly engage in the illegal spying and unmasking activities?

[Value Buy]

Oct 25, 2017 12:29:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Fusion Collusion is THE scandal of our time-- far bigger than Watergate. People had their houses raided; they've had legal expenses, we've had a year-long investigation at great expense to the taxpayers, people were spied on by intelligence services and unmasked-- this is an unbelievable amount of corruption. Heads have to roll. 

Just for starters, Mueller MUST be fired; and the "Russia investigation" must be directed towards the real crimes.

I wanted to like your post up to the last sentence. I think Mueller is moving the investigation towards Podesta and Clinton.
Saw another article today where they are going after Manafort for money laundering during the time period he was working for the Podesta group. The article just failed to mention Manafort was working for Podesta at this time

[Value Buy]

Oct 25, 2017 12:44:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

Oct 25, 2017 10:35:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And I care about Podesta and Clinton because they colluded for financial reasons with a foreign entity.

then you should be in complete support of the probe against Trump. 

I am interested in the probe, because I am pretty sure it has swung towards the Podesta Group, covering time well before the campaigns.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Salient points on the Trump dossier issue:

1. Fusion GPS principals take the 5th when asked to testify in Capitol Hill
2. Fusion GPS asked federal court to not release its financial records
3. WaPo reports that the DNC and Hillary's campaign paid GPS and Christopher Steele to develop Trump dossier (picking up from where some unnamed Rep source originally funded)...
4. Trump dossier was used in part for justification of FISA wiretaps of members of Trump's campaign team. Obama admin approved FISA wiretaps based on this
5. Members of Obama administration unmasked members of Trump campaign that were targets of FISA wiretaps.
6. Identities of Trump campaign members that were targets of FISA wiretaps were then leaked to the media.

7. FBI paid Christopher Steele according to a Washington Post article.
8. Mueller knew about the Uranium One bribery and extortion when he ran the FBI, yet withheld that crucial information from CFIUS and the Congressional oversight committees.
9. Rod Rosenstein, before he was second in command at the DOJ, was the federal prosecutor for Maryland on the Uranium One bribery and extortion, yet withheld that crucial information from CFIUS and the Congressional oversight committees.
10. John McCain turns the dossier over to the FBI.

In the game of unethical politics, Dems were playing 3D chess while Trump campaign played checkers.

Once the dots fully connect from here to Uranium One the circle of activity will be complete. Question is what will Mueller do with it.

Thus Mueller and Rosenstein should recuse themselves. They should also answer questions under subpoena.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

From reading my newsfeed this morning, many of my Democratic friends appear to be very excited that a few GOP senators and a Democratic congresswoman are criticizing the president. Meanwhile, Pres. Trump is continuing to work hard to fulfill his campaign promises. He soon will sign a bill that will make it harder to bring frivolous class action lawsuits against businesses. Moreover, although Robert Mueller apparently is either too dumb or compromised to investigate the Uranium One scandal, Congress will. This scandal, involving the transfer of 20 percent of all U.S. uranium to Russia via the sale of the Uranium One company, just as nine foreign investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation to help grease the wheels, may just be the one that finally puts the Clintons where they belong - in a jail cell.

[happyhoix]

Oct 25, 2017 14:28:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 25, 2017 12:44:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

then you should be in complete support of the probe against Trump. 

I'm in support of a probe-- not conducted by a member of the federal agency that is caught up in the scandal (we know for a fact now that the FBI continued to pay Steele to make shit up until his name showed up in the press)-- into exactly who came up with the dossier idea, who executed it, and why the FBI and the CIA thought it appropriate to use it as a pretext to spy on and unmask people in the Trump camp? Were they misled and goaded into it (which is illegal), or did they knowingly engage in the illegal spying and unmasking activities?

No, this is not a fact.

 

One of the GOP candidates paid a company for the research Steele did. When he dropped out of the race, the Dems continued to fund it. Steele is an experienced professional analyst and many of the items in the dossier (but not all) have been proven to be 100% true.

Due to the potentially critical information in the dossier, it was given to McCain and the FBI, who then reviewed it with Trump. The FBI HAD to continue to investigate to determine if they could confirm or deny the allegations - we have to know of our POTUS could be blackmailed by the Russians - but they did not end up paying Steele to continue the research, because right at that time, the dossier became public knowledge and Steele was compromised. However, they have continued to try to investigate it, just as Mueller is investigating it, because it's critically important to know what parts of it are completely true, and which parts aren't. I think it's self evident why we need to know if Trump can be manipulated by the Russians. Under the circumstances, it's also self evident why the FBI and CIA were engaged in investigating/spying on members of Trump's campaign who might have their fingers in the Russian pie.  Subversives have always been the target of FBI and CIA interest.

The dossier has parts that have proven to be true. Trump's bigly friend Manafort has proven ties with Russian oligarchs, and Mueller is probably sitting on proof that Manafort was engaged in money laundering for the Russians - something Trump has always been accused of, as well.

You can act all butt hurt as much as you want to, but facts are facts. If Trump has been engaging in these kinds of activities, if there is actually blackmail material that the Russians are holding over him (Russians love to get shit they can use to blackmail people with) and Trump lied about, that's another huge problem.

We won't know until all these investigations finish up. But one thing I can 100% assure you of, Trump will not go down in history as the guy who drained the swamp. He will be the guy who brought the alligators to town with him - even if none of the Russian stuff can be proven, all the self dealing Trump has done to funnel money into his company, and all the wealthy donors who donated to his election and ended up as foxes in the henhouses of the departments they are supposed to be managing will make Trump stand out in history as a dirty politician on par with the Tea Pot Dome scandal.

You know, just repeating what you hear on Fox and Brietbart doesn't make it real.

 

[happyhoix]

Oct 26, 2017 6:42:15 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

From reading my newsfeed this morning, many of my Democratic friends appear to be very excited that a few GOP senators and a Democratic congresswoman are criticizing the president. Meanwhile, Pres. Trump is continuing to work hard to fulfill his campaign promises. He soon will sign a bill that will make it harder to bring frivolous class action lawsuits against businesses. Moreover, although Robert Mueller apparently is either too dumb or compromised to investigate the Uranium One scandal, Congress will. This scandal, involving the transfer of 20 percent of all U.S. uranium to Russia via the sale of the Uranium One company, just as nine foreign investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation to help grease the wheels, may just be the one that finally puts the Clintons where they belong - in a jail cell.

Wrong again.

Geez, Paul, get better sources.

UraniumOne has 20% of the uranium produced IN THE US. World wide, it's 2% of the global production per year.

AND - the uranium produced there cannot be exported. So - it's not going to make Russian bombs.

Once again, a few pieces of bullshit beat into a shit mountain by talking head 'news commentators'  on Fox.

Finally -- the information about UraniumOne came out AFTER they made a donation to the Clinton foundation, so the donation was not made to 'grease the wheels.'  Sure, they probably wanted to get in good with the Clintons, but how is this any different from foreign nationals renting hotel rooms, paying for banquets and entertainment spaces at the Trump Hotel in DC in order to grease the wheels with Trump? If Trumps' charity wasn't on lock down for illegal self dealing, no doubt they would be donating money to it, too.

Next you're going to try to argue that Trump never lies.

 

[zibazinski]

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And here's another one that got by while we were all busy focused on the "bread and circuses".  This conspiracy shit could go on for DECADES.  Meanwhile stuff is being signed and passed right under your noses that will have a far bigger impact on your life.  


Our attention needs to be on all the busy worker bees because they are the ones running the show.  Clinton or Trump in jail doesn't change anything.   It's the worker bees that are controlling our destiny right now.


www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/10/25/the-fcc-plans-to-roll-back-some-of-its-biggest-rules-against-media-consolidation/?utm_term=.1af815229711

[b2r]

 The biggest Russian threat to Western institutions doesn't come from disinformation or the clever use of social networks but from a certain kind of money that, by its very nature, corrupts everything it touches. To understand how that works, it's worth re-examining a uranium story that has resurfaced as part of the U.S. political debate after Washington, D.C. publication The Hill ran an article about it on Tuesday.

The article, which prompted the Senate Judiciary Committee to open a probe into "Russian nuclear bribery," recounts how the Obama administration approved the sale of Uranium One, a Canadian company with some U.S. mining assets, to Russian state-owned nuclear power monopoly Rosatom, despite an ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation corruption probe into the activities of a Rosatom official in the U.S. The Uranium One case and the bribery case of the official, Vadim Mikerin, were reported by the media separately but it's the linking of the two by The Hill that has caused a ruckus.

Tenam, the company Mikerin set up and ran in the U.S., is a subsidiary of Rosatom's foreign trade arm, known outside Russia as Tenex. Vadim Zhivov, who became president of Uranium One after Rosatom assumed control in three separate deals between 2009 and 2013, was also deputy head of Tenex and might have run the company had he been willing to give up his Canadian dual citizenship. Mikerin, the son of a Soviet deputy minister for nuclear energy, had only ever worked in the Rosatom-Tenex system, which he knew inside out and, it turned out, exploited for personal profit.

When Rosatom decided in 2010 to acquire Uranium One and applied to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. (Cfius) for approval, Mikerin was the top Rosatom official in the U.S. Though his primary responsibility was to facilitate the sales of Russian uranium to U.S. power plants, it's likely he was involved in planning the Uranium One purchase. Mikerin was under an FBI investigation for offering a U.S. businessman a consulting contract in exchange for kickbacks; the American went to the authorities and was allowed to pay the kickbacks as the FBI and the Department of Energy watched and recorded everything.

Along the way, they discovered that Mikerin also received kickbacks from U.S. companies involved in the transportation of Russian uranium in the U.S., and that he apparently shared the money -- in cash -- with his Rosatom superiors when they visited. Some of that was known to government agents before Cfius approved the Uranium One deal, but, apparently, it never come up in discussions, though Attorney General Eric Holder was on the committee.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also sat on the committee. By the time of the Uranium One decision, the charitable foundation run by her husband Bill Clinton had received, but not fully disclosed, hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from a Uranium One shareholder and former chariman, Ian Telfer, who stood to benefit from a generous Rosatom offer of a premium to the stock price. In June, 2010, when Rosatom made known its interest in controlling Uranium One, Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a speech organized by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank that was talking up Uranium One shares.

Ostensibly, these were all unrelated events: A kickback probe into the work of a Rosaton official in the U.S.; Rosatom's bid for Uranium One and for U.S. approval of the deal; Bill Clinton's fundraising. No one has managed to connect the dots convincingly, since there was no formal link between Mikerin and Uranium One, Hillary Clinton maintained she'd done nothing to expedite the deal, and Telfer insisted he'd never talked to her about it.

Russia, however, is a land of magic. Whatever happened in Washington in 2010, Rosatom ended up owning Uranium One. In 2016, it made an operating profit of $67.8 million on $314.6 in revenue.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-18/russian-money-talks-america-was-all-ears

[b2r]

Oct 26, 2017 9:28:38 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

New information has come out about Russia's efforts to get uranium from the U.S.

thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

The investigation was ultimately supervised by then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, an Obama appointee who now serves as President Trump’s deputy attorney general, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now the deputy FBI director under Trump, Justice Department documents show.



Both men now play a key role in the current investigation into possible, but still unproven, collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s campaign during the 2016 election cycle. McCabe is under congressional and Justice Department inspector general investigation in connection with money his wife’s Virginia state Senate campaign accepted in 2015 from now-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe at a time when McAuliffe was reportedly under investigation by the FBI. The probe is not focused on McAuliffe's conduct but rather on whether McCabe's attendance violated the Hatch Act or other FBI conflict rules.



The connections to the current Russia case are many. The Mikerin probe began in 2009 when Robert Mueller, now the special counsel in charge of the Trump case, was still FBI director. And it ended in late 2015 under the direction of then-FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump fired earlier this year. 

[Value Buy]

drip drip drip drip drip

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-dnc-connections-to-trump-dossier-funding-could-create-election-law-issues/ar-AAu3kFk

[mmhmm]

There's a lot of talk about the Steele dossier. Has anyone here actually read the entire document?

[Value Buy]

Oct 26, 2017 13:17:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

There's a lot of talk about the Steele dossier. Has anyone here actually read the entire document?

Just like there was a lot of talk of Trump collusion with the Russians, and now the dossier, the real story is the Clinton campaign paying an out of the country source and use it to influence an election, which is illegal.
The fact they paid Five million dollars for it, and marked it as "legal fees" with campaign dollars also makes it a breach of campaign laws. The laws are very specific as to what is allowed to list the funds very specifically for what the use is.
"Lawyer fees" is not the correct legal interpretation of it. They have to be specific in language.
She is going down......

[mmhmm]

Oct 26, 2017 14:02:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 26, 2017 13:17:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

There's a lot of talk about the Steele dossier. Has anyone here actually read the entire document?

Just like there was a lot of talk of Trump collusion with the Russians, and now the dossier, the real story is the Clinton campaign paying an out of the country source and use it to influence an election, which is illegal.
The fact they paid Five million dollars for it, and marked it as "legal fees" with campaign dollars also makes it a breach of campaign laws. The laws are very specific as to what is allowed to list the funds very specifically for what the use is.
"Lawyer fees" is not the correct legal interpretation of it. They have to be specific in language.
She is going down......

My question was:  Has anyone actually read the entire document? I've read it so don't need you to tell me about it. It's 25 pages long. There's a lot in there. I'm not one to cherry-pick the information I like. I much prefer to access all the information available.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 26, 2017 7:43:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Oct 25, 2017 14:28:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I'm in support of a probe-- not conducted by a member of the federal agency that is caught up in the scandal (we know for a fact now that the FBI continued to pay Steele to make shit up until his name showed up in the press)-- into exactly who came up with the dossier idea, who executed it, and why the FBI and the CIA thought it appropriate to use it as a pretext to spy on and unmask people in the Trump camp? Were they misled and goaded into it (which is illegal), or did they knowingly engage in the illegal spying and unmasking activities?

No, this is not a fact.

 

One of the GOP candidates paid a company for the research Steele did. When he dropped out of the race, the Dems continued to fund it. Steele is an experienced professional analyst and many of the items in the dossier (but not all) have been proven to be 100% true.

Due to the potentially critical information in the dossier, it was given to McCain and the FBI, who then reviewed it with Trump. The FBI HAD to continue to investigate to determine if they could confirm or deny the allegations - we have to know of our POTUS could be blackmailed by the Russians - but they did not end up paying Steele to continue the research, because right at that time, the dossier became public knowledge and Steele was compromised. However, they have continued to try to investigate it, just as Mueller is investigating it, because it's critically important to know what parts of it are completely true, and which parts aren't. I think it's self evident why we need to know if Trump can be manipulated by the Russians. Under the circumstances, it's also self evident why the FBI and CIA were engaged in investigating/spying on members of Trump's campaign who might have their fingers in the Russian pie.  Subversives have always been the target of FBI and CIA interest.

The dossier has parts that have proven to be true. Trump's bigly friend Manafort has proven ties with Russian oligarchs, and Mueller is probably sitting on proof that Manafort was engaged in money laundering for the Russians - something Trump has always been accused of, as well.

You can act all butt hurt as much as you want to, but facts are facts. If Trump has been engaging in these kinds of activities, if there is actually blackmail material that the Russians are holding over him (Russians love to get shit they can use to blackmail people with) and Trump lied about, that's another huge problem.

We won't know until all these investigations finish up. But one thing I can 100% assure you of, Trump will not go down in history as the guy who drained the swamp. He will be the guy who brought the alligators to town with him - even if none of the Russian stuff can be proven, all the self dealing Trump has done to funnel money into his company, and all the wealthy donors who donated to his election and ended up as foxes in the henhouses of the departments they are supposed to be managing will make Trump stand out in history as a dirty politician on par with the Tea Pot Dome scandal.

You know, just repeating what you hear on Fox and Brietbart doesn't make it real.

Continuing to complain about the sources that have been right for the last two years- the sources that have not spent 1000 minutes on "Russsia"- the sources that have called it again and again correctly-- doesn't make it not true. At some point, you have to admit your "sources" are fake news. Breitbart doesn't have to run banana ads to reassure its audience that it cares about facts, lol. (You probably have no idea what I'm talking about).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Why did the DNC confess to paying to create the fake dossier?

Because of the subpoena. They want to say to the court, in effect: you don't really need access to the bank accounts because we're 'fessing up.

What they're going to find when they get into Fusion GPS's bank accounts is going to be devastating because they are going to uncover pay-to-play journalism. Fusion GPS is engaged in hiring former journalists to make shit up and pay journalists to create fake news in a systematic way. They're a smear campaign operation-- and they're going to find out that "reputable" sources I know many of you like-- are on the take.

I

CANNOT

WAIT

[Shooby]

The Campaign Legal Center (CLC), a Washington, DC-based election law non-profit, filed a complaint with the Federal Election Committee (FEC) Wednesday over Hillary for America and the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) conduct in commissioning the infamous “pee-pee dossier.”

According to the CLC, the Clinton campaign and the DNC violated federal law when they “failed to accurately disclose the purpose and recipient of payments for the dossier of research alleging connections between then-candidate Donald Trump and Russia, effectively hiding these payments from public scrutiny.”



The complaint alleges:



[T]he DNC and Hillary for America reported dozens of payments totaling millions of dollars to the law firm Perkins Coie with the purpose described as “Legal Services” or “Legal Compliance Consulting,” when in reality, those payments were earmarked for the firm Fusion GPS, with the purpose of conducting opposition research on Donald Trump.



Citing FEC statements of policy that the “purpose of disbursement” section
on campaign disclosure forms “must be sufficiently specific to make the purpose of the disbursement clear,” CLC is arguing these facts constitute a violation of federal election law.

www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/25/hillary-campaign-dnc-accused-of-violating-election-law-with-dossier-payments/

[Shooby]

Hurry hurry!  Sweep this under the rug!!  

[dezii]

Oct 26, 2017 16:18:29 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Hurry hurry!  Sweep this under the rug!!  

ok...sounds like the thing to do...no biggie...thank s for the suggestion Shooby, nice of u,,,

[thyme4change]

If Hillary (and co) did collude with Russia to sway the election, I guess they weren't very good at it. Did they give them any info that they then used against her in the whole planted stories/bot campaign?

[chiver78]

sure, I will sweep it right in to the other thread in the Politics forum that already exists on this topic.

-chiver mod

[Deleted]

Oct 26, 2017 16:46:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If Hillary (and co) did collude with Russia to sway the election, I guess they weren't very good at it. Did they give them any info that they then used against her in the whole planted stories/bot campaign?

They were good enough for her to win the popular vote (not that that matters... but sooo many people like to mention it).

[thyme4change]

Oct 26, 2017 19:29:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 26, 2017 16:46:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If Hillary (and co) did collude with Russia to sway the election, I guess they weren't very good at it. Did they give them any info that they then used against her in the whole planted stories/bot campaign?

They were good enough for her to win the popular vote (not that that matters... but sooo many people like to mention it).

Lol

[b2r]

The plot thickens! 

 Obama’s Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Secretly Paid Fusion GPS In 2016

thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/