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Post by happyhoix on Sept 8, 2017 8:01:05 GMT -5
Maybe in case people want to get out of town . If they suspect even one drop of ice in the winter where I live then the schools close. There have been a few times when there was zero precipitation and no school. There's really nowhere to go. I live in NW GA and they were saying on the news this AM that hotels in the area are booked solid with refugees - so Florida refugees may have to drive further north to find a room - very stressful, I'm sure.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 8, 2017 8:05:06 GMT -5
I felt so bad, yesterday they showed pictures of St Martin. Dh and I stayed there a year ago, at the end of a cruise, in the Hotel Mercure on the French side of the island, and it was a beautiful tropical oasis. They had several photos of the Mercure with their palm trees ripped away, roof gone, pool flooded, cars strewn around on the beach and the lawns. So sad. It will be years before St Martin gets that lush tropical feel again, since all the vegetation seems to be stripped away. The staff at the hotel and the restaurant workers in Marigot were so friendly, even the taxi guy was so nice, I hope they all came through the storm ok, and I hope the tourist industry gets back on it's feet quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 8:05:56 GMT -5
Many people forget hurricanes spawn tornadoes. Ivan in 2004 produced the most at 120 according to information on The Weather Channel. Tornadoes occur in the storm bands up to 250 miles from the eye. True. But tornados occur way more often in tornado alley and people don't quit their job and evacuate every tornado season. That's because they're completely random and unpredictable. If I knew 100 of them were coming at me, I'd be out of here.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 8, 2017 8:55:44 GMT -5
I felt so bad, yesterday they showed pictures of St Martin. Dh and I stayed there a year ago, at the end of a cruise, in the Hotel Mercure on the French side of the island, and it was a beautiful tropical oasis. They had several photos of the Mercure with their palm trees ripped away, roof gone, pool flooded, cars strewn around on the beach and the lawns. So sad. It will be years before St Martin gets that lush tropical feel again, since all the vegetation seems to be stripped away. The staff at the hotel and the restaurant workers in Marigot were so friendly, even the taxi guy was so nice, I hope they all came through the storm ok, and I hope the tourist industry gets back on it's feet quickly.
I saw pictues too. DH and I were there years ago. It was a lovely place.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 9:38:45 GMT -5
True. But tornados occur way more often in tornado alley and people don't quit their job and evacuate every tornado season. That's because they're completely random and unpredictable. If I knew 100 of them were coming at me, I'd be out of here. Are they though? I've never lived in the area so I'm not familiar, but I didn't think the tornadoes appeared out of thin air in bright blue skies. They occurred in storm fronts that came from the west coast. So while you couldn't say with certainty that that storm would throw off tornadoes, during tornado season it's a pretty good chance that the storm coming your way will have one. Which, to me, is similar to hurricanes. They can produce tornadoes, but they don't always. It's random. The storm that threw off 100+ is not the norm. I've lived through hurricanes for 30+ years and haven't had a tornado from one anywhere near me. In actuality I've had way closer calls from tornadoes thrown off from the afternoon summer storms. And as for out of here - out where? If you drive up to Georgia or the Carolinas - guess what? The storm is going there too. Not to mention it's 9+ hour drive from the center of the state on a good day. The two highways out of Florida are packed and it's taking way longer to get out of the state. Hell, some of em may still be stuck on the damn road by the time the storm starts getting here. They can't start up contra flow until much closer to the storm because those not evacuating still have to be able to get around - while the governor may have closed the schools the rest of the state is still running. My company isn't letting us go until 3 today. A lot of my friends aren't even going to be able to leave early today. The stores aren't closing today. Etc etc. Hell Disney and Universal are officially still open all day Sunday and Monday. Get out of evacuation zones definitely, but the entire state isn't an evac zone.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 8, 2017 9:39:41 GMT -5
True. But tornados occur way more often in tornado alley and people don't quit their job and evacuate every tornado season. That's because they're completely random and unpredictable. If I knew 100 of them were coming at me, I'd be out of here. I was in .San Antonio (about 200 miles away) when Houston got hit by a hurricane. I woke up, power was off so got up to go to work. Apparently when I lost power, a tornado had gone through the campus and it took out the cooling plant for the facility. Generators failed too, so I wound up spending the day halting dry ice up 4 flights of stairs to keep out freezers cold. Those same tornados bounced through the closest apartment complex to campus, and when I passed it going to work, the buildings were in the road and the traffic was directed into the other direction (2 lanes in each direction with median). I swear, that complex was jinxed as the 14 years I lived there, there were 3 major fires and the tornado in it. ETA...I lived about 2 miles from campus, and one from that apartment complex. The tornados wound taking a route about a block from where I lived, but as tornados were not a norm, there was no notification system. I had no idea they were so close until I went to work and saw the damage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 9:52:12 GMT -5
That's because they're completely random and unpredictable. If I knew 100 of them were coming at me, I'd be out of here. Are they though? I've never lived in the area so I'm not familiar, but I didn't think the tornadoes appeared out of thin air in bright blue skies. They occurred in storm fronts that came from the west coast. So while you couldn't say with certainty that that storm would throw off tornadoes, during tornado season it's a pretty good chance that the storm coming your way will have one. Which, to me, is similar to hurricanes. They can produce tornadoes, but they don't always. It's random. The storm that threw off 100+ is not the norm. I've lived through hurricanes for 30+ years and haven't had a tornado from one anywhere near me. In actuality I've had way closer calls from tornadoes thrown off from the afternoon summer storms. And as for out of here - out where? If you drive up to Georgia or the Carolinas - guess what? The storm is going there too. Not to mention it's 9+ hour drive from the center of the state on a good day. The two highways out of Florida are packed and it's taking way longer to get out of the state. Hell, some of em may still be stuck on the damn road by the time the storm starts getting here. They can't start up contra flow until much closer to the storm because those not evacuating still have to be able to get around - while the governor may have closed the schools the rest of the state is still running. My company isn't letting us go until 3 today. A lot of my friends aren't even going to be able to leave early today. The stores aren't closing today. Etc etc. Hell Disney and Universal are officially still open all day Sunday and Monday. Get out of evacuation zones definitely, but the entire state isn't an evac zone. I wasn't talking about leaving because of the possibility of random tornadoes. You KNOW you're going to get hit by a hurricane. I'm just saying if I KNEW a tornado was going to hit my farm, I'd have the horses on a trailer and the cats in the van and we'd be gone. But we'd never get that kind of warning or more than an couple hours heads up in the form of a watch if anything...and we might have watches every day for weeks on end. We have storms that "might" produce tornadoes, but I've lived at the top edge of tornado alley for almost 49 years now and have never seen a single one, nor known anyone directly affected by one. They touch down, take out a field and a farm and a trailer park (if anything as I live in a very rural area) then are gone. While they're absolutely devastating, the path of destruction might be 100 feet wide for a mile or two. One house is flattened and all the neighbors are fine kind of thing. I'm not saying you should leave. I'm just saying I would. But, the fact that everyone is trapped down there is all the more reason I will never live in a heavily congested area with only two ways out. That would just make me really uncomfortable. I have the same hang up with islands. I have lots of family wanting me to move to Hawaii, but two weeks is about my limit before I start feeling claustrophobic and trapped.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 10:02:34 GMT -5
Gotcha.
There's more than two ways out - those are just the main ways and don't involve endless stretches with no gas stations and such. Do many states have more than two main interstates that go through them?
This is the part where I tell you I slept through Andrew as a kid 😜 though we were far enough away to not get the brunt of it. Same in this instance. With it currently going up the center it should be decently weak by the time it gets here.
Disclosure: I've wondered why it was raining all day before only to be told don't I know there's a tropical storm over us. Another time a group of us waited for a break in the storm and then ran to the playground to play. So while I worry about hurricanes it's mostly the well over 100 mph sustained that worries me.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 10:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by Ryan on Sept 8, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -5
That's because they're completely random and unpredictable. If I knew 100 of them were coming at me, I'd be out of here. Are they though? I've never lived in the area so I'm not familiar, but I didn't think the tornadoes appeared out of thin air in bright blue skies. They occurred in storm fronts that came from the west coast. So while you couldn't say with certainty that that storm would throw off tornadoes, during tornado season it's a pretty good chance that the storm coming your way will have one. Which, to me, is similar to hurricanes. They can produce tornadoes, but they don't always. It's random. The storm that threw off 100+ is not the norm. I've lived through hurricanes for 30+ years and haven't had a tornado from one anywhere near me. In actuality I've had way closer calls from tornadoes thrown off from the afternoon summer storms. And as for out of here - out where? If you drive up to Georgia or the Carolinas - guess what? The storm is going there too. Not to mention it's 9+ hour drive from the center of the state on a good day. The two highways out of Florida are packed and it's taking way longer to get out of the state. Hell, some of em may still be stuck on the damn road by the time the storm starts getting here. They can't start up contra flow until much closer to the storm because those not evacuating still have to be able to get around - while the governor may have closed the schools the rest of the state is still running. My company isn't letting us go until 3 today. A lot of my friends aren't even going to be able to leave early today. The stores aren't closing today. Etc etc. Hell Disney and Universal are officially still open all day Sunday and Monday. Get out of evacuation zones definitely, but the entire state isn't an evac zone. People don't evacuate because of tornados because it's pretty easy to stay safe from one in your own home. Go to the lowest level, get into an area with no windows, and wait. It's not like tornados linger, they just come through and move on. I probably wouldn't leave FL if I was in Orlando or something though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:13:37 GMT -5
Do many states have more than two main interstates that go through them? No. But all the news stories I'm seeing are how everyone is trapped in gridlock on these two interstates and couldn't get out. I just figured there were bridges or impassable areas or something that everyone was piling on these two and not just taking the backroads.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 8, 2017 10:16:23 GMT -5
At this point, roads are packed, gas is gone and there are no hotels. The governor is opening more schools as shelters, however, which will help. But the issue is timing and need. Many people have pets and special needs, and the newly-opened shelters won't accommodate either one. The southbound highways are open, to allow emergency supplies to get where they need to be. Many people thought all lanes should have been routed northbound, and had that happened, it would have alleviated the congestion. But then there's no way to move supplies to the Keys or the lower counties. And the state is shut down today - all state and local offices, except for emergency -related offices, are closed. All schools, including private and universities, are closed in the lower FL counties. Many federal facilities are closed. Most banks and credit unions are closed (their ATMs are out of money anyway). Grocery stores are closing either today or tomorrow by noon. Malls and shopping centers are closed. Even our 24-hour Wal Mart is closing today. I did go for a run this morning, and saw a Publix grocery tractor trailer heading for our local store. And behind it...a caravan of cars. I ran to the Publix (to get a paper and prune juice - because DH had to tell me this morning that he was out of prune juice. Could not tell me that yesterday when I went to the grocery store ). And the truck had pallets of water. The pallets were brought in and unloaded near the registers. There are two senior citizen facilities near me, both very high-end establishments. Both include memory care patients, both in the level 1 evacuation zone. Not sure what they are doing. Both new structures, so I think they could withstand the storm. As for DH and I, we have all the shutters down except the back ones, which we will close tomorrow morning, or tonight, if the winds pick up significantly. I have one more load of laundry to do, and I will sweep and vacuum the floors when we are done working outside. I will make a chicken and veggie stirfry tonight to use up food, and cook whatever chicken is left for snacking.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 10:19:07 GMT -5
Do many states have more than two main interstates that go through them? No. But all the news stories I'm seeing are how everyone is trapped in gridlock on these two interstates and couldn't get out. I just figured there were bridges or impassable areas or something that everyone was piling on these two and not just taking the backroads. The back roads are harder if you don't know them and definitely less direct. I think back roads took an hour more last time I went to Miami. We have big areas like the everglades and Ocala forest and a crap ton of lakes that the back roads have to navigate around. Whereas the interstates just build a bridge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:24:40 GMT -5
No. But all the news stories I'm seeing are how everyone is trapped in gridlock on these two interstates and couldn't get out. I just figured there were bridges or impassable areas or something that everyone was piling on these two and not just taking the backroads. The back roads are harder if you don't know them and definitely less direct. I think back roads took an hour more last time I went to Miami. We have big areas like the everglades and Ocala forest and a crap ton of lakes that the back roads have to navigate around. Whereas the interstates just build a bridge. Right. But slow-going is better than just sitting and not moving at all. That would drive me batshit crazy. I don't care if I'm going 25 and hundreds of miles more. I can't just sit in gridlock without wanting to kill someone.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 10:26:29 GMT -5
The back roads are harder if you don't know them and definitely less direct. I think back roads took an hour more last time I went to Miami. We have big areas like the everglades and Ocala forest and a crap ton of lakes that the back roads have to navigate around. Whereas the interstates just build a bridge. Right. But slow-going is better than just sitting and not moving at all. That would drive me batshit crazy. I don't care if I'm going 25 and hundreds of miles more. I can't just sit in gridlock without wanting to kill someone. I'm with you. Assuming those aren't crowded.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 10:28:15 GMT -5
Right. But slow-going is better than just sitting and not moving at all. That would drive me batshit crazy. I don't care if I'm going 25 and hundreds of miles more. I can't just sit in gridlock without wanting to kill someone. I'm with you. Assuming those aren't crowded. And there's enough gas available that you aren't stuck in the boonies somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:45:08 GMT -5
I'm with you. Assuming those aren't crowded. And there's enough gas available that you aren't stuck in the boonies somewhere. I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 10:51:40 GMT -5
And there's enough gas available that you aren't stuck in the boonies somewhere. I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas. Then the debate when you evacuate becomes do you carry the gas so you have it when you run out or do you carry other things with you that might rather have instead? I'm not sure you could take enough with you to get all the way up the state if you were in the south end of it.
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 10:55:07 GMT -5
Basically, MPL should just stay where it freezes.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 10:58:37 GMT -5
She can keep her snow and I'll keep my hurricanes.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 8, 2017 10:58:42 GMT -5
Gotcha. There's more than two ways out - those are just the main ways and don't involve endless stretches with no gas stations and such. Do many states have more than two main interstates that go through them? This is the part where I tell you I slept through Andrew as a kid 😜 though we were far enough away to not get the brunt of it. Same in this instance. With it currently going up the center it should be decently weak by the time it gets here.
Disclosure: I've wondered why it was raining all day before only to be told don't I know there's a tropical storm over us. Another time a group of us waited for a break in the storm and then ran to the playground to play. So while I worry about hurricanes it's mostly the well over 100 mph sustained that worries me. So far it looks like they are predicting Irma to retain it's hurricane status for quite a while after it makes landfall IF it goes up the center of Florida (ie it might still have hurricane force winds as it nears Orlando)
That said, it looks like it's going to hit Florida from the West coast (as they have the track moving towards the Gulf). I was wrong - I was pretty sure Irma was going to crawl up the East Coast... it's looking like the East Coast of Florida will just have "bad weather" and the West Coast will get pummeled.
It also looks like the project course
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 11:00:00 GMT -5
I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas. Then the debate when you evacuate becomes do you carry the gas so you have it when you run out or do you carry other things with you that might rather have instead? I'm not sure you could take enough with you to get all the way up the state if you were in the south end of it. Did I mention I have a minivan and 9X12' trailer? I can take a lot of stuff!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 11:01:09 GMT -5
Then the debate when you evacuate becomes do you carry the gas so you have it when you run out or do you carry other things with you that might rather have instead? I'm not sure you could take enough with you to get all the way up the state if you were in the south end of it. Did I mention I have a minivan and 9X12' trailer? I can take a lot of stuff! And it'll affect your gas mileage. I don't think you'll be worry much about hurricane evacuations any time soon though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 11:04:54 GMT -5
Did I mention I have a minivan and 9X12' trailer? I can take a lot of stuff! And it'll affect your gas mileage. I don't think you'll be worry much about hurricane evacuations any time soon though. Meh. FL is about the same length as MN. That's a tank and a half. I'll bring two extra tank loads to be safe.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 8, 2017 11:07:33 GMT -5
No. But all the news stories I'm seeing are how everyone is trapped in gridlock on these two interstates and couldn't get out. I just figured there were bridges or impassable areas or something that everyone was piling on these two and not just taking the backroads. The back roads are harder if you don't know them and definitely less direct. I think back roads took an hour more last time I went to Miami. We have big areas like the everglades and Ocala forest and a crap ton of lakes that the back roads have to navigate around. Whereas the interstates just build a bridge. On the road/highway topic - my nephew and his wife were visiting family in Lee County and cut their vacay short. They left at Midnight last nite - and it took 6 hours instead of 3 hours to get to their first "milestone" on the trip home. They also saw a large RV that had flipped over on it's side and was blocking All 3 lanes of the highway - with cars having to go around on the shoulder. My nephew also reported that the "emergency" lanes were open - but people weren't using them - they would stay in the 'slow' lanes going slow (he used the emergancy lane). He also reported that the expressway would back up at exists --- presumably because people were getting off to get gas. They took advice and stopped for gas when the tank hit the 1/2 way mark... so they could go further before they really hit 'empty'. They were able to keep driving past the backed up exits - because they had topped off the tank early rather than later.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 8, 2017 11:16:13 GMT -5
And there's enough gas available that you aren't stuck in the boonies somewhere. I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas. the thing is - if you stay for the storm and DON"T have a generator - what are you going to do with the gas you are hoarding? Once the storms past - you probably won't be able to drive anywhere - with trees and debris blocking the roads. And even once the roads are open it will be a few days (or longer) before stores/places of business are open. You're just stuck at home cleaning up.
FWIW: my brother is staying home (his wife is a nurse and will spend the weekend at the Hospital). Most of the neighborhood is also staying - a handful of their neighbors have generators and fuel (as in they can keep their fridge/freezer and TV running for up to 2 weeks). My family doesn't have a generator - but they are close with their neighbors so everyone's "pooling their resources". They haven't gotten an evaculation order (suggestion or mandatory) yet. My "stupid" brother doesn't have a crate for his little dog... so if they do have to move to a shelter - his dog may not get in. I'm hoping he can borrow one from a neighbor. If they survive this - I'm getting my "dog neice" a crate - my local Animal Shelter Resale store ALWAYS has a variety of crates at very reasonable prices. Other than that - they are set for the hurricane.
(I have cats - and over the years I've acquired a 'spare' set of cat accessories - an extra cat carrier, extra litter box, bowls etc... I suspect someone there will have an extra crate for his dog).
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 11:17:32 GMT -5
I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas. the thing is - if you stay for the storm and DON"T have a generator - what are you going to do with the gas you are hoarding? Once the storms past - you probably won't be able to drive anywhere - with trees and debris blocking the roads. And even once the roads are open it will be a few days (or longer) before stores/places of business are open. You're just stuck at home cleaning up.
FWIW: my brother is staying home (his wife is a nurse and will spend the weekend at the Hospital). Most of the neighborhood is also staying - a handful of their neighbors have generators and fuel (as in they can keep their fridge/freezer and TV running for up to 2 weeks). My family doesn't have a generator - but they are close with their neighbors so everyone's "pooling their resources". They haven't gotten an evaculation order (suggestion or mandatory) yet. My "stupid" brother doesn't have a crate for his little dog... so if they do have to move to a shelter - his dog may not get in. I'm hoping he can borrow one from a neighbor. If they survive this - I'm getting my "dog neice" a crate - my local Animal Shelter Resale store ALWAYS has a variety of crates at very reasonable prices. Other than that - they are set for the hurricane.
(I have cats - and over the years I've acquired a 'spare' set of cat accessories - an extra cat carrier, extra litter box, bowls etc... I suspect someone there will have an extra crate for his dog). Chainsaws? Offer to help run the neighbor's generator if they let you plug the fridge/freezer in? Be the only one who can get around when roads are finally clear enough to do so?
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Post by justme on Sept 8, 2017 11:18:49 GMT -5
What I haven't figured out is the number of people down here that are suddenly buying generators and plywood right before the storm. It makes way more sense to keep that in your garage or a shed (like my parents do) instead of buying and getting rid of it every hurricane. Or better yet, just buy hurricane shutters that are way easier than plywood to put up and sturdier too. I have neither because I can't because condo, but if I was in a house I would.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 11:20:41 GMT -5
I'd be a gas hoarder down there rather than water. I'd keep a bunch of gas containers filled in my garage. I keep 20 gallons or so where I am now just because I hate to drive to town for tractor gas. the thing is - if you stay for the storm and DON"T have a generator - what are you going to do with the gas you are hoarding? Once the storms past - you probably won't be able to drive anywhere - with trees and debris blocking the roads. And even once the roads are open it will be a few days (or longer) before stores/places of business are open. You're just stuck at home cleaning up. Well, I do have a generator actually, but I guess I would just use the gas in my vehicle? It's not like it goes bad in a few days...you can keep it in cans for over a year without a problem. Most people in the country keep gas on hand.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 8, 2017 11:21:09 GMT -5
And it'll affect your gas mileage. I don't think you'll be worry much about hurricane evacuations any time soon though. Meh. FL is about the same length as MN. That's a tank and a half. I'll bring two extra tank loads to be safe. A tank and a half if you'e actually moving and not idling for hours on end in traffic 2 extra might get you to where you can sit in the car in a small hurricane instead of the big one.
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