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Post by swasat on Aug 31, 2017 11:28:30 GMT -5
I make fun of Jesus all the time. So far I am still alive, still flourishing and no lightening has ever hit me. Haha. day's not over yet. If lightening does strike me would you open your doors for me MJ? Obviously Osteen won't
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 31, 2017 11:32:42 GMT -5
Interesting how there are religious people on one side, handing up excuse after excuse for why Osteen couldn't open the doors to anyone whatsoever - and non-religious do-gooders on the other side, saying at least shelter some people. So much for trying to model your lives after Jesus. I mean it's interesting I suppose but not unexpected. Most groups aren't interested in being told by outsiders what their group should or shouldn't be doing on a voluntary basis.
It seems to only be a problem with "model your lives after Jesus" when people are/aren't doing what some other random groups tell them to do. I rarely see people getting up-in-arms when anyone who claims to be a Christian has some money, even though modeling your life after Jesus would mean you'd give it all away and live in poverty. Anyone who thinks that Christians actually have a concept that they should model their lives after Jesus doesn't seem to know much about Jesus from a practical perspective.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 31, 2017 11:32:50 GMT -5
And to make fun of Jesus? Wow, just wow. I make fun of Jesus all the time. So far I am still alive, still flourishing and no lightening has ever hit me. Haha. If Kellyanne Conway didn't get struck by lightning for stating on Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show trump's biggest asset is his humility, then no one is ever going to get struck.
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Post by dannylion on Aug 31, 2017 11:46:16 GMT -5
So much hatred on this thread and definitely a lot of judging. So what if he got "shamed" by the media into opening the doors, if that is indeed how it happened? Osteen could've kept them closed, but he didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes with this church. Who is anyone to judge from the convenience of one's armchair? Recognizing hypocrisy and pointing it out is not hatred. Failing to point it out would be irresponsible complicity.
If people did not want other people to talk about them, they would not behave the way they do. Mr. Osteen has set himself up as an arbiter of the thoughts and behavior of others in a supposedly "Christian" context. That is the standard by which he is being judged, and that is the standard he failed to meet. He has made a fortune selling his version of "Christianity" to gullible people. People who understand what Christianity really is have pointed out the discrepancy. That is not hatred. That is karma.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 31, 2017 11:47:50 GMT -5
I make fun of Jesus all the time. So far I am still alive, still flourishing and no lightening has ever hit me. Haha. If Kellyanne Conway didn't get struck by lightning for stating on Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show trump's biggest asset is his humility, then no one is ever going to get struck. Isn't that the truth!
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Post by swasat on Aug 31, 2017 11:50:50 GMT -5
So much hatred on this thread and definitely a lot of judging. So what if he got "shamed" by the media into opening the doors, if that is indeed how it happened? Osteen could've kept them closed, but he didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes with this church. Who is anyone to judge from the convenience of one's armchair? Recognizing hypocrisy and pointing it out is not hatred. Failing to point it out would be irresponsible complicity.
If people did not want other people to talk about them, they would not behave the way they do. Mr. Osteen has set himself up as an arbiter of the thoughts and behavior of others in a supposedly "Christian" context. That is the standard by which he is being judged, and that is the standard he failed to meet. He has made a fortune selling his version of "Christianity" to gullible people. People who understand what Christianity really is have pointed out the discrepancy. That is not hatred. That is karma.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 31, 2017 12:24:50 GMT -5
So much hatred on this thread and definitely a lot of judging. So what if he got "shamed" by the media into opening the doors, if that is indeed how it happened? Osteen could've kept them closed, but he didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes with this church. Who is anyone to judge from the convenience of one's armchair? "So what"? Seriously? This so-called "Man of God" didn't want to help his neighbours despite having the resources, had to be shamed into it, and you say "So what?"
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 31, 2017 12:35:43 GMT -5
So much hatred on this thread and definitely a lot of judging. So what if he got "shamed" by the media into opening the doors, if that is indeed how it happened? Osteen could've kept them closed, but he didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes with this church. Who is anyone to judge from the convenience of one's armchair? "So what"? Seriously? This so-called "Man of God" didn't want to help his neighbours despite having the resources, had to be shamed into it, and you say "So what?" Not just "the resources" - but a massive amount of resources.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 31, 2017 14:46:37 GMT -5
So much hatred on this thread and definitely a lot of judging. So what if he got "shamed" by the media into opening the doors, if that is indeed how it happened? Osteen could've kept them closed, but he didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes with this church. Who is anyone to judge from the convenience of one's armchair? And you don't think this is a problem? The ONLY reason he opened the church's doors was he got shamed into doing something that churches with far less resources was already doing. Hypocrisy is alive and well. There is NO defense for his inaction during Harvey.
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Post by Pants on Aug 31, 2017 15:47:17 GMT -5
There was rape and other crimes being committed after Katrina so Is someone going to stand around in halls and bathrooms armed to make sure no one is harmed? 24/7? If something bad does happen who is going to be held responsible? Just so you know - this did not happen. It was reported on but later found not to have actually happened. articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/27/nation/na-rumors27
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Post by Opti on Aug 31, 2017 20:27:42 GMT -5
Interesting how there are religious people on one side, handing up excuse after excuse for why Osteen couldn't open the doors to anyone whatsoever - and non-religious do-gooders on the other side, saying at least shelter some people. So much for trying to model your lives after Jesus. I don't know if there are religious people on one side, but the hate Osteen side is pretty packed. Maybe the non-religious or non-spiritual aren't aware there are many flavors of Christianity and what they tend to emphasize. Osteen's church appears to be a teaching church and has no ongoing ministries to the community per its homepage. My preferred denominational church is also a teaching church and out outreach is mostly through the church's tithing to outside organizations. I've listened to some of his sermons and I don't know if he's ever focused on charity to one's fellow man. Maybe that's not a talk he talks.
Catholic churches are pretty good about doing ministry to the outside community. On the other hand, they have some things that have no reference to Jesus that they are known for. No birth control and no abortion based on verses in Genesis that reference neither. But in this case, people would be OK with them because they act like they expect churches to act, which is open their doors and help directly.
I get its a big ass church and because of that people think it should be utilized. Since it is large though, sheltering some people wouldn't cut it for most that want him to do their preferred good. I wouldn't like telling everyone to come and then find out the flood gates have been breached and now I have to figure out how to get lots of people out safely. But that's me. Its not like inviting over your friends to your house where your basement has two feet to go before hitting the first floor, but their homes have two plus feet in the LR. When they come they know what they are in for and possibly risking.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 31, 2017 21:31:57 GMT -5
Joel Osteen side of the story in case you were even curious to hear the other side of the story and for the record i am not a fan of any church, but he deserves to have his side out there. OK, I don't know how true this is, but I would not want to shelter people with water on the first floor of the building. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen. (Note, I think it is cool that the Quad City River Bandits can still play their games with their flood system in place, so maybe that makes me a hypocrite, but as I plan for having my cities flood system fully functioning in the next 2 decades, I don't like the idea of people behind the flood wall when it is flooding, we'll continue to encourage flood insurance, etc). Eta: I do not like megachurches. I don't understand them at all. I don't know how you end up with a church "family" with 16,000 other people and I don't understand people who get rich off of it. But I do understand flood and flood safety and having people sheltering in a building that has a flooded first floor or basement is not a good idea.
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Post by dannylion on Aug 31, 2017 22:35:10 GMT -5
Joel Osteen side of the story in case you were even curious to hear the other side of the story and for the record i am not a fan of any church, but he deserves to have his side out there. OK, I don't know how true this is, but I would not want to shelter people with water on the first floor of the building. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen. (Note, I think it is cool that the Quad City River Bandits can still play their games with their flood system in place, so maybe that makes me a hypocrite, but as I plan for having my cities flood system fully functioning in the next 2 decades, I don't like the idea of people behind the flood wall when it is flooding, we'll continue to encourage flood insurance, etc). Eta: I do not like megachurches. I don't understand them at all. I don't know how you end up with a church "family" with 16,000 other people and I don't understand people who get rich off of it. But I do understand flood and flood safety and having people sheltering in a building that has a flooded first floor or basement is not a good idea. On the other hand, there's that pesky video done right there at the "church" that demonstrates that neither the garage levels nor the first floor were flooded. The pavement was wet, but it was raining, so that was not really too astonishing.
Someone actually went there and looked (before the "explanation" came out) and posted the video.
I'm too lazy to look for it, but it shouldn't be hard to find. There is, of course, always the last resort of "fake news" or "conspiracy" or "CGI" or "aliens' or "Obama" to throw at what appears to be fairly solid evidence of no flooding. Who knows, maybe it was flooded and the people who "faked" the moon landing videos just happened to be there with the right equipment to make the video, no doubt paid by whoever is behind the "war on religion."
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 31, 2017 22:42:41 GMT -5
I saw that video, so you're not imagining things.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 31, 2017 22:48:30 GMT -5
for the love... I have a friend that lives in Mississippi, who came to become a Catholic as an adult. I know her from my annual music cruise, which has netted me friends from all over the world, including all corners of this country. since we come from all over, we obviously are going to have different opinions on things. she has been particularly combative in her comments to some posts from agnostic and atheistic friends that have made observations that prayers don't do nearly as much as actually doing something. she just posted this - my reply? okay, I'll bite - what are you doing? I fully expect to be blocked when she sees it.
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Post by dannylion on Aug 31, 2017 23:07:23 GMT -5
for the love... I have a friend that lives in Mississippi, who came to become a Catholic as an adult. I know her from my annual music cruise, which has netted me friends from all over the world, including all corners of this country. since we come from all over, we obviously are going to have different opinions on things. she has been particularly combative in her comments to some posts from agnostic and atheistic friends that have made observations that prayers don't do nearly as much as actually doing something. she just posted this - my reply? okay, I'll bite - what are you doing? I fully expect to be blocked when she sees it. Having been a professional linguist for 40 years, I've always been curious: What language does God speak?
If she doesn't block you, maybe you could ask her.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 31, 2017 23:14:43 GMT -5
for the love... I have a friend that lives in Mississippi, who came to become a Catholic as an adult. I know her from my annual music cruise, which has netted me friends from all over the world, including all corners of this country. since we come from all over, we obviously are going to have different opinions on things. she has been particularly combative in her comments to some posts from agnostic and atheistic friends that have made observations that prayers don't do nearly as much as actually doing something. she just posted this - my reply? okay, I'll bite - what are you doing? I fully expect to be blocked when she sees it. Having been a professional linguist for 40 years, I've always been curious: What language does God speak?
If she doesn't block you, maybe you could ask her.
now that would get me blocked for sure. she actually answered a little while ago to say that she's praying. when she's able to do more physically and with cash, she'll get there. oh, and it's feasible for her to "take a break from work and get down and dirty" but that she's going to keep praying. I can't. and then another response comes in - "He just asked me the same thing" with some symbology. I tried. I'm walking away from that entirely. so, is there an update anywhere on how Osteen's church is doing now that they have opened their doors to the great unwashed? I haven't seen anything yet.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 31, 2017 23:32:05 GMT -5
who the hell are you calling old? and 30-60 years post-HS? wow! how old are you? as far as mocking anything, I'm personally beyond annoyed that someone who is way more local than I am, that COULD actually get off her ass to go help, isn't. she's instead attacking people farther away making similar comments to what I just did, and saying that she's just going to sit back and pray. I'm sorry, that's worthy of criticism. I'm sorry you don't understand why. your post won't get deleted, you haven't violated any CoC terms.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 31, 2017 23:38:10 GMT -5
hey, if YOU delete your own posts, that's on you. don't come in here and say that it will "get deleted" when you choose to do so yourself.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 31, 2017 23:40:28 GMT -5
Having been a professional linguist for 40 years, I've always been curious: What language does God speak?
If she doesn't block you, maybe you could ask her.
now that would get me blocked for sure. she actually answered a little while ago to say that she's praying. when she's able to do more physically and with cash, she'll get there. oh, and it's feasible for her to "take a break from work and get down and dirty" but that she's going to keep praying. I can't. and then another response comes in - "He just asked me the same thing" with some symbology. I tried. I'm walking away from that entirely. so, is there an update anywhere on how Osteen's church is doing now that they have opened their doors to the great unwashed? I haven't seen anything yet. Interesting that she didn't pray for the hurricane NOT to hit Texas. Maybe if enough people prayed.....?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 31, 2017 23:52:58 GMT -5
now that would get me blocked for sure. she actually answered a little while ago to say that she's praying. when she's able to do more physically and with cash, she'll get there. oh, and it's feasible for her to "take a break from work and get down and dirty" but that she's going to keep praying. I can't. and then another response comes in - "He just asked me the same thing" with some symbology. I tried. I'm walking away from that entirely. so, is there an update anywhere on how Osteen's church is doing now that they have opened their doors to the great unwashed? I haven't seen anything yet. Interesting that she didn't pray for the hurricane NOT to hit Texas. Maybe if enough people prayed.....? .
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 31, 2017 23:53:57 GMT -5
Wow. Hysterical much?
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 1, 2017 0:27:13 GMT -5
GEE.......where did everyone go? it's 130 am. I had been trying to avtually.get some sleep. but my phone kept twinkling new notifications. I'll be turning it off now for the night. between this repetitive rant and the crazy I've experienced in person tonight, I'm all set. you have yourself a good one.
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Post by resolution on Sept 1, 2017 6:21:41 GMT -5
I worked at an evacuation center for about a month after hurricane Katrina (through my employer), and there is just a ton of logistics that has to be managed to support 1000 evacuees. I really can't begrudge the guy if his church isn't set up to handle it. I think it would be a lot easier for a smaller church that could just house a few families, but once you get into large groups, you end up with just massive amounts of food, drink, bathrooms, security issues, medical issues, etc. It can be overwhelming to figure out on the spot.
At our evacuation center we had just a constant traffic of semis coming in and out to bring supplies and equipment. We even ended up with a security perimeter and id badges for everyone because non-evacuees were trying to sneak in to get the FEMA benefits. It was a massive undertaking and I could see how someone would have no idea where to start, especially as the same disaster is hitting them that is hitting everyone else.
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Post by swasat on Sept 1, 2017 6:26:22 GMT -5
Aww....another beautiful rant(s) from another one on the other side Pretty tantrum. This 30-60 year old doesn't give a shit to the the lecture wxyz is providing for free. One can have faith, one can have love for God, one can have connection to God in whichever way, but it's extremely DELUSIONAL to think only prayers solve any and everything. Osteen can pray as much as he likes, but as a supposed "man of God" he is pretty petty when it comes to opening his heart and soul to the people In need. So I shall continue to call out the mockery that Osteen has made of religion. And I "talked" to God yesterday too. Told him I continue to poke fun at him. No worries from his side
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Post by swasat on Sept 1, 2017 6:27:38 GMT -5
GEE.......where did everyone go? Talking to God. Telling him about that shit Osteen.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 1, 2017 6:53:30 GMT -5
now that would get me blocked for sure. she actually answered a little while ago to say that she's praying. when she's able to do more physically and with cash, she'll get there. oh, and it's feasible for her to "take a break from work and get down and dirty" but that she's going to keep praying. I can't. and then another response comes in - "He just asked me the same thing" with some symbology. I tried. I'm walking away from that entirely. so, is there an update anywhere on how Osteen's church is doing now that they have opened their doors to the great unwashed? I haven't seen anything yet. Interesting that she didn't pray for the hurricane NOT to hit Texas. Maybe if enough people prayed.....? Whoa, there. Let's keep logic and reason out of this. No need to get all crazy.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 1, 2017 7:04:53 GMT -5
GEE.......where did everyone go? Sorry I missed your rant. I was busy roasting babies sleeping.
I see that the other "mean girls" have everything under control, so I'll just go about my day until I'm needed.
Interesting that the angry, bitter poster is the one slinging that label at others.
Still hoping for something wonderful for you to leaven the hate. It cannot be pleasant to live like that.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 1, 2017 8:31:35 GMT -5
Joel Osteen side of the story in case you were even curious to hear the other side of the story and for the record i am not a fan of any church, but he deserves to have his side out there. OK, I don't know how true this is, but I would not want to shelter people with water on the first floor of the building. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen. (Note, I think it is cool that the Quad City River Bandits can still play their games with their flood system in place, so maybe that makes me a hypocrite, but as I plan for having my cities flood system fully functioning in the next 2 decades, I don't like the idea of people behind the flood wall when it is flooding, we'll continue to encourage flood insurance, etc). Eta: I do not like megachurches. I don't understand them at all. I don't know how you end up with a church "family" with 16,000 other people and I don't understand people who get rich off of it. But I do understand flood and flood safety and having people sheltering in a building that has a flooded first floor or basement is not a good idea. From what I can tell, the church had no flooding in the basement, the parking garage, the first floor or the parking lot. The picture of the flooded parking lot was from a few years ago and Joel said on CNN that the water got so high, it was nearly a foot from the top of the flood gate, which would indicate the water never breeched. He said they had flooding in the past, and it has been confirmed that they built the flood gate after that flood happened. I could be wrong, as my sources are not solid. But he stated pretty clearly that he was afraid there was going to be flooding. No one has claimed to be the original source for the pictures of the flooded area. They are not verified by Lakewood.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 1, 2017 8:33:16 GMT -5
""And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."" Guess Jesus was supposed to be tolerant of the money changers in the temple.
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