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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 2, 2017 8:55:08 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#Environmental_impacts Environmental impacts Illegal slash-and-burn agriculture in Madagascar, 2010 A number of scientists have argued that the current global population expansion and accompanying increase in resource consumption threatens the world's ecosystem.[153][154] The InterAcademy Panel Statement on Population Growth, which was ratified by 58 member national academies in 1994, states that "unprecedented" population growth aggravates many environmental problems, including rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, global warming, and pollution.[155] Indeed, some analysts claim that overpopulation's most serious impact is its effect on the environment.[19] The situation has continued to worsen, as at the time of the 1994 IAP statement, the world population stood at 5.5 billion and lower-bound scenarios predicted a peak of 7.8 billion by 2050, a number that current estimates state will be reached in the late 2020s. By the way, the population has already hit 7,500,000,000, So some how 315 million of us Americans driving Prius's are going to stop Global Warming, while the rest of to World burns donkey shit to cook their meals!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 2, 2017 9:09:40 GMT -5
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 2, 2017 9:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 2, 2017 9:27:50 GMT -5
We have had returnable bottles ever since our "Bottle Bill" passed about 1979. I highly recommend it. The deposit on the containers virtually assures that they will be returned. Even when people litter them other people pick them up to collect the deposit fees. It was amazing how our roadside litter problem lessened after that bill was passed. Yeah - what is the opposite of the supposed nanny state when it comes to the environment? Let the assholes be assholes and ruin it for everyone? It only takes one dumping of contaminated waste water into a lake to ruin it for everyone. No one should have the "right" to ruin the environment for the rest of us just because they are an asshole. Sorry - but if industry or individuals are wont to act as petulant greedy children over a bowl of sweets - then a nanny is what is needed.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 2, 2017 9:30:32 GMT -5
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2017 10:28:37 GMT -5
Old Coyootie,
Don't buy any coastal properties in Florida.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 2, 2017 10:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 2, 2017 10:34:56 GMT -5
Old Coyootie,
Don't buy any coastal properties in Florida. From the maps that have been projected if ALL the ice in the world melted....our little place would be a water front property with only a narrow strip to attach it to higher ground, it would be a peninsula, but MUCH smaller than Fl.!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 2, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2017 10:48:24 GMT -5
Good to see he is completely ignoring the climate change hoaxers at the Pentagon. Those demented liberals are trying to destroy America.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 2, 2017 10:53:14 GMT -5
IDK, does Trump's "America First" mean continuing to be a world leader? Cause it certainly looks like China is gonna start dictating what the rest of the world does sooner rather than later...
What happens when China picks up all the R&d Investment Dollars and does all the production for renewable energy 'hardware' and such for the rest of the world... while America keeps on keeping on with 20th century energy and technology.
Isn't the way to create more jobs (and more manufacturing) to provide NEW stuff to the world? Not keep making OLD stuff??
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2017 11:06:57 GMT -5
I have never quite understood why people still litter.
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Post by emma1420 on Jun 2, 2017 11:18:49 GMT -5
Feck the coal industry. Even Exxon Mobil and BP are on board with this treaty- natural gas. We are already more that halfway to our goal, and the study that Trump cites on economic damage is repudiated. Another shameful day for the USA. That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. I could live with that argument if the state wasn't so interested in legislating what I do with my uterus and what people do in their bedroom's. Of if the government wasn't interested in taking my tax dollars and spending it on the military complex or providing tax breaks to the wealthy. What I find is that people hate the nanny state until they need it, and then they want to know why the government isn't helping them. In terms of the climate, I do think that the government should be setting strict regulations and I do think it's a travesty that we've pulled out of a global agreement. We have one planet. If we destroy it we can't go out an get another one. Time is critical. There are some things that we can't leave up to private citizens because most people do what is best for them not necessarily what is best for the planet in 100 years. To me this is no different than regulations surrounding nuclear weapons or anything else that could destroy the world. We are frog in pot of water right now and the temperate is being slowly raised. But, the end result is the same to the frog whether he's in the pot of boiling water or he's blown up by a nuke.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 2, 2017 11:29:28 GMT -5
Using the UN's own numbers, the most optimistic projection of the benefits of the Paris Accord- assuming all nations complied with its requirements and met their objectives- is that in 10 years, at a cost of $100 trillion dollars, the Earth's climate would be 86 100ths of a degree cooler than it otherwise would be.
In my opinion, there's simply no accounting for people who make such projections, and craft these kinds of solutions save that they have an agenda unrelated to climate change-- like a big fucking slush fund, and a mechanism by which they can take control of the lives of everyone on the planet, and transfer wealth from producers to their own idle useless pockets.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 2, 2017 11:32:03 GMT -5
I must say that I really like Trump's key accomplishment: exposing the left to the concept of federalism and its importance. Now, we will have a free market of states and cities each choosing to alert the marketplace as to where one might want to live, work, and do business.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 2, 2017 11:34:56 GMT -5
If we really believed or cared about climate change, we'd immediately deregulate and then focus on the problem of the unequal distribution of free market capitalism.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 2, 2017 11:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 2, 2017 14:14:11 GMT -5
I must say that I really like Trump's key accomplishment: exposing the left to the concept of federalism and its importance. Now, we will have a free market of states and cities each choosing to alert the marketplace as to where one might want to live, work, and do business. No, Trump's key accomplishment is relinquishing America's position as leader of the free world, the shining city on the hill, etc. Now it's a joke and a laughingstock.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 2, 2017 17:07:28 GMT -5
outrageous, yet not surprising
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 2, 2017 23:42:30 GMT -5
No, Trump's key accomplishment is relinquishing America's position as leader of the free world, the shining city on the hill, etc. Now it's a joke and a laughingstock. you said the same thing with GWB was president. you say this anytime you don't agree with American politics I never said that. Can you back it up and show a quote of mine saying that?
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 3, 2017 9:22:58 GMT -5
I started looking at what happens to an iceberg, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_B-15 Scientists believe that the enormous piece of ice broke away as part of a long-term natural cycle, which occurs every fifty to one hundred years
What ?? this wasn't caused by Trump pulling out of the Accord??
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 3, 2017 16:31:57 GMT -5
Follow the $$$. $50 million. Who cares what kind of world we leave our children and grandchildren?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 3, 2017 17:40:08 GMT -5
So did trump also drink the Kool-Aid? Haley: 'President Trump believes the climate is changing'Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump does believe in climate change and that humans have a role in it, US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley told CNN's Jake Tapper in an interview on "State of the Union." "President Trump believes the climate is changing and he believes pollutants are part of the equation," Haley said Saturday, answering a central question in the wake of his decision to withdraw the country from the Paris climate accord. Trump "knows that it's changing and that the US has to be responsible for it and that's what we're going to do," she continued, adding that withdrawing from the Paris agreement won't change the country's commitment to curbing climate change. "Just because the US got out of a club doesn't mean we aren't going to care about the environment," she said. Haley: 'President Trump believes the climate is changing'
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Post by b2r on Jun 3, 2017 17:43:52 GMT -5
The climate is changing...No shit Sherlock!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 3, 2017 17:50:55 GMT -5
The climate is changing...No shit Sherlock! Did you miss the part where Haley said trump believes pollutants are part of the problem? Sounds to me trump believes man is at least partially responsible for climate change.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 18:55:01 GMT -5
Got out of a club?
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