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Post by b2r on Jun 1, 2017 20:27:22 GMT -5
If you were really worried about global warming, you wouldn't allow icebreakers, would you?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 1, 2017 20:39:49 GMT -5
If you were really worried about global warming, you wouldn't allow icebreakers, would you? No ice breaker involved with the Larsen C ice shelf break.
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Post by b2r on Jun 1, 2017 20:45:12 GMT -5
If you were really worried about global warming, you wouldn't allow icebreakers, would you? No ice breaker involved with the Larsen C ice shelf break. So our years of breaking ice on our way to Antarctica could not contribute to the ice shelf breakage?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 1, 2017 20:49:00 GMT -5
No ice breaker involved with the Larsen C ice shelf break. So our years of breaking ice on our way to Antarctica could not contribute to the ice shelf breakage? ice shelves are attached to the land, so I think when you get to the ice shelf you're there?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 1, 2017 20:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by b2r on Jun 1, 2017 20:53:56 GMT -5
Ice reflects sunlight...open ocean absorbs sunlight...Human caused climate change!
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Post by b2r on Jun 1, 2017 21:13:09 GMT -5
You people and your ancestors would have been a hoot during the Laurentide Ice Sheet's retreat!
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 1, 2017 21:51:14 GMT -5
So the states do their own thing and accomplish the same goals. Just like Obamacare was not good in it's form for every state, neither was this accord. Incidently since this accord was voluntary to reach the goals, who is really hurt when most countries never stick to voluntary goals in the first place. When this accord was accepted by the President, the green people said it was the worst deal ever, and accomplished very little. All of a sudden it is golden
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 1, 2017 22:40:33 GMT -5
Feck the coal industry. Even Exxon Mobil and BP are on board with this treaty- natural gas. We are already more that halfway to our goal, and the study that Trump cites on economic damage is repudiated. Another shameful day for the USA. That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 1, 2017 22:40:38 GMT -5
Since trump pulled out of the Paris Accord, WOW. Can I book that new tropical paradise spot called Antarctica? Now looking at the posts I can only guess that "All" repeat "All" of the Ice has melted and flood New York city, Hmmmm, I can't find that in the news,,,, Maybe I need to check with some of those Liberal newscast, they can bring me up to speed. www.accuweather.com/en/aq/amundsen-scott-south-pole-station/2258520/weather-forecast/2258520Current temp at the South pole is -48 degrees Apparently they have not heard the news ,,, raised the thermostat! Pretty hard to melt ice at -48 degrees! A massive iceberg is about to calve off the Larson C ice shelf. When this melts, how high is the oceans going to rise?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 1, 2017 22:46:27 GMT -5
Feck the coal industry. Even Exxon Mobil and BP are on board with this treaty- natural gas. We are already more that halfway to our goal, and the study that Trump cites on economic damage is repudiated. Another shameful day for the USA. That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. By us pulling out of the Accord, does that mean everything reverts back to 1956?? If not, why is there a large over reaction to this? A shameful day??
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 1, 2017 22:47:47 GMT -5
... But it's this top down government knows best nanny state ... Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. Is it only the federal government that can be a nanny state?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 1, 2017 22:55:46 GMT -5
That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. By us pulling out of the Accord, does that mean everything reverts back to 1956?? If not, why is there a large over reaction to this? A shameful day?? No, as others pointed out, the move away from coal and other emissions heavy industries is happening already because the market supports it. That won't change. Furthermore, many companies and city/state governments are working on reducing emissions. In reality, the impact on overall emissions reduction should be low. One could argue the diplomatic impact, but who cares about that? A leadership vacuum in global climate policy? *snort*
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 2, 2017 2:59:32 GMT -5
Little wonder that NATO said to keep speeches short and simple, because Trump has a short attention span and has no clue as to how the world works.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 3:31:05 GMT -5
That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. By us pulling out of the Accord, does that mean everything reverts back to 1956?? If not, why is there a large over reaction to this? A shameful day?? Did you see Macron today? Do you see China poised? We are relinquishing any world leadership role. We will no longer be the place the worlds best and brightest go to practice science and innovation. Economy? We are going to set our economy back a freaking century.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 3:32:37 GMT -5
... But it's this top down government knows best nanny state ... Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. Is it only the federal government that can be a nanny state? Since everyone I know says they voted specifially for 'life' ie the Supreme Court imposing the biggest nanny state rules it can, I'm not seeing it.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 2, 2017 5:58:09 GMT -5
Feck the coal industry. Even Exxon Mobil and BP are on board with this treaty- natural gas. We are already more that halfway to our goal, and the study that Trump cites on economic damage is repudiated. Another shameful day for the USA. That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. Don't you chose to work for the feds, though? I don't understand this? If the fed is so bad, why be their employee? Why not choose a different career/employer? And what happens when companies do what's best for them, but not for citizens? On and off, for example, there have been mega farms in our state that have ended up contaminating the drinking water for people...So, you are telling me, since this is good for a company, that folks who can no longer use their wells for drinking water should suck it up, butter cup? And it's not as simple as "Duh, folks should move." Because who is going to buy a house with no potable water?
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Post by giramomma on Jun 2, 2017 6:42:04 GMT -5
That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. That's cool. So to heck with laws. If I decide I like Phoenix84's car I should just take it? Let's take it further. There should be no such thing as hate crimes? Right. So if someone doesn't look/think/act/have the same gender and/or sexual orientation as you...clearly that's an open invitation to take matters into your own hands up to taking their life. Because that's what's best for you and that's what your conscious tells you to do. And besides! Gun Rights! It's my god-given american duty, right?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2017 7:13:00 GMT -5
No ice breaker involved with the Larsen C ice shelf break. So our years of breaking ice on our way to Antarctica could not contribute to the ice shelf breakage? I have often wondered whether all the icebreakers that explore or travel through the Artic region do effect the water and ice natural capabilities due to breaking the ice and letting the sun do it's thing while shining on the hole cut through the ice. Same for the Great Lakes where they use ice breakers so bulk transports can navigate the lakes most of the winter. The ice protects the lake and keeps it cold. Do the ice breakers help melt the ice five or ten days later than natural in the spring thaw, thus warming the lakes slightly more than nature would in the summer? All the scientific groups using ice breakers to study the Artic region might be contributing to global warming, just by continually breaking ice that was never meant to be navigated.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 2, 2017 7:14:39 GMT -5
You people and your ancestors would have been a hoot during the Laurentide Ice Sheet's retreat! "You people and your ancestors"? Are you not from this planet too or are you from planet Nine or some other solar system?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 2, 2017 7:24:01 GMT -5
That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. Don't you chose to work for the feds, though? I don't understand this? If the fed is so bad, why be their employee? Why not choose a different career/employer? And what happens when companies do what's best for them, but not for citizens? On and off, for example, there have been mega farms in our state that have ended up contaminating the drinking water for people...So, you are telling me, since this is good for a company, that folks who can no longer use their wells for drinking water should suck it up, butter cup? And it's not as simple as "Duh, folks should move." Because who is going to buy a house with no potable water? First of all, the feds aren't "bad," I never said that, and if I did, please point it out.
Second of all, regarding my employment, the federal government has a place in society and enumerated powers. They have to tackle jobs that are too big for any one state to handle, like common defense and security. Therefore, the department of defense (my employer) is specifically authorized in the constitution. So I'm not sure where you're going with this argument, especially given where I never qualified the federal government as "bad."
Third, "doing what's good for you" comes with the addendum "as long as it doesn't harm anyone else." I thought it was obvious and didn't need to be said.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2017 8:07:04 GMT -5
That's fine by me if private citizens, companies, and even city or state governments want to make a goal to reduce emissions. But it's this top down government knows best nanny state crap that cost the Democrats the election. Every state/company/citizen should do what their conscious tells them or what's best for them. That's cool. So to heck with laws. If I decide I like Phoenix84's car I should just take it? You do realize you just used conservatives argument on illegal aliens.......you have seen the light
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2017 8:13:36 GMT -5
You do realize you just used conservatives argument on illegal aliens.......you have seen the light You don't recognize the sarcasm in that statement? Curious. No, I did not. Still do not.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 2, 2017 8:15:58 GMT -5
That's cool. So to heck with laws. If I decide I like Phoenix84's car I should just take it? You do realize you just used conservatives argument on illegal aliens.......you have seen the light VB That's a good one, LOL.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 2, 2017 8:22:46 GMT -5
Don't you chose to work for the feds, though? I don't understand this? If the fed is so bad, why be their employee? Why not choose a different career/employer? And what happens when companies do what's best for them, but not for citizens? On and off, for example, there have been mega farms in our state that have ended up contaminating the drinking water for people...So, you are telling me, since this is good for a company, that folks who can no longer use their wells for drinking water should suck it up, butter cup? And it's not as simple as "Duh, folks should move." Because who is going to buy a house with no potable water? First of all, the feds aren't "bad," I never said that, and if I did, please point it out.
Second of all, regarding my employment, the federal government has a place in society and enumerated powers. They have to tackle jobs that are too big for any one state to handle, like common defense and security. Therefore, the department of defense (my employer) is specifically authorized in the constitution. So I'm not sure where you're going with this argument, especially given where I never qualified the federal government as "bad."
Third, "doing what's good for you" comes with the addendum "as long as it doesn't harm anyone else." I thought it was obvious and didn't need to be said.
Oh, you mean bigger jobs like ensuring clean air and water? If "as long as it doesn't harm anyone else" is clearly not obvious, or there would be no need for such regulations in the first place.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2017 8:29:44 GMT -5
I must admit, I am a less than perfect progressive. As I age, some of it becomes about me. After all, I won't be here in 50 years anyway. For the most part, I don't compost anymore. It is a royal PITA to do in the winter. Sometimes if I am eating in the truck I will throw food waste OUT THE WINDOW. It will decompose. I don't always separate out all of my recyclables. Hell, we still only put out one trash barrel a week, which is less than most on our road. I guess this climate change thingee is more of the same. I won't be here, so why should this Earth? My grandsons are visiting us. They think we are green freaks, and we do barely the minimum with paper and plastic to be considered recyclers. Recycle is picked up every two weeks, and we fill the regular recycle can (full size garbage can) about 3/4's full, but there is only two of us normally. I do hate plastic bottles in the regular garbage as well as newspapers. We do some little things, but not barely enough, and we were totally surprised by the grandsons, as they were both so cavalier about it. And they come from the democratic side of the family! Sometimes the acorn does roll far from the tree.
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