Another example of CBS bias and hatred to the President

[Phoenix84]

As much as you want to expend detailing them.

[Peace Of Mind]

Mar 31, 2017 12:21:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

As much as you want to expend detailing them.

Nice try getting me banned but I prefer that you continue to suffer by continuing to be alone with yourself so I'll let you try to figure it out all by your closed minded self.

[Lizard Queen]

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

No, I don't, and yes it is.

One company Christmas party, I decided to wear similar clothes to some of the other female accountants:  pencil skirt, black knee-high boots with spiked heels, and a push-up bra under a knit turtleneck blouse.  Not quite prostitute territory, but still.  Surprisingly, I got all kinds of attention from some of the male managers (higher-up) whom had never given me the time of day before.  It was ridiculous and unexpected.  An admin. assistant was already having an affair with the CEO, and it did increase her title to executive AA.

[Icelandic Woman]

Mar 29, 2017 14:24:00 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Mar 29, 2017 14:19:14 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

As for bias:  I have noticed that many news articles about Trump use unflattering photographs of him. 

No, he really looks like that.

I don't think I have ever seen a flattering picture of him. Maybe in his younger days but the man is ugly on the inside which seeps to his exterior so in a nutshell ugly both inside and out. He always looks like he has a cork up his ass and is eternally constipated. JMHO

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

[djAdvocate]

PS- i would appreciate a little love for the "expired citrus" comment.  that was pretty clever. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Mar 31, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

THAT'S IT!   Could you go post that over on Pheonix's thread?   You just boiled down what I've been trying to explain in three posts.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 12:35:41 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

No, I don't, and yes it is.

One company Christmas party, I decided to wear similar clothes to some of the other female accountants:  pencil skirt, black knee-high boots with spiked heels, and a push-up bra under a knit turtleneck blouse.  Not quite prostitute territory, but still.  Surprisingly, I got all kinds of attention from some of the male managers (higher-up) whom had never given me the time of day before.  It was ridiculous and unexpected.  An admin. assistant was already having an affair with the CEO, and it did increase her title to executive AA.

you will probably be accused of presenting anecdotally, but i would challenge any MAN here to consider their attitudes toward women for LESS THAN A MINUTE and see if this comment makes sense to them.

disclosure: i look women up and down ALL OF THE TIME.  but i try VERY HARD, once i do that, to look past that.  i don't know if it makes me better or worse (either thing) than any other man to do that, but i am quite conscious of it, and i hope that not too many women find it offensive.  it is a fact of me, and if we can get past that fact, i can assure you that i am interested in who you are inside that skin. 

one nice thing about this board is that i have no idea if you all are porn stars or couch potatoes, so i don't get the chance to consider that.  it is just your mind and my mind, and i kinda like it that way. 

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 13:36:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Mar 31, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

THAT'S IT!   Could you go post that over on Pheonix's thread?   You just boiled down what I've been trying to explain in three posts.

sure, as long as i can go on record as saying that i consider the way Phoenix presents things to be somewhat of a dissertative distraction.  is that alright? 

edit: oh, and can you PLEASE flatter me for my expired citrus comment?  i really loved that one.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Mar 31, 2017 13:38:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 13:36:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

THAT'S IT!   Could you go post that over on Pheonix's thread?   You just boiled down what I've been trying to explain in three posts.

sure, as long as i can go on record as saying that i consider the way Phoenix presents things to be somewhat of a dissertative distraction.  is that alright? 

Fine by me.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 13:39:24 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Mar 31, 2017 13:38:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

sure, as long as i can go on record as saying that i consider the way Phoenix presents things to be somewhat of a dissertative distraction.  is that alright? 

Fine by me.

fair enough.  done.  please see my addendum above. 

[swamp]

Mar 31, 2017 7:19:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Mar 29, 2017 14:24:00 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

No, he really looks like that.

Can you imagine the blow back and moral outrage if these comments were directed at a female politician? But I guess it's ok because Trump is a white male and republican.

The double standard is alive and well.

No, because if he was a democrat (just like he used to be) he would still not be an attractive man and have that sour puss/pouty look on his face.

[swamp]

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

No.

Yes. I will never be a trophy wife. And I'm OK with that. I wouldn't be very good at it.

[Icelandic Woman]

Mar 31, 2017 13:43:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 31, 2017 7:19:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Can you imagine the blow back and moral outrage if these comments were directed at a female politician? But I guess it's ok because Trump is a white male and republican.

The double standard is alive and well.

No, because if he was a democrat (just like he used to be) he would still not be an attractive man and have that sour puss/pouty look on his face.

So much

[djAdvocate]

wimminvolken:

this is a teaching moment for us menfolk.  bring it. 

i gotta go.  it is a beautiful day out, and i am going to go n-joy it.

[dondub]

  I think I've got it. It's not acceptable to make fun of Trump's hair even though he has turned it into his personal symbol. Even though he raped Ivana for referring him to a scalp

reduction specialist that caused him pain.

  However, it is acceptable for women to go to Hooter's even though the appearance of the wait staff is what gets them hired.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

1. No.

2. No.

[Phoenix84]

Mar 31, 2017 12:27:38 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Mar 31, 2017 12:21:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

As much as you want to expend detailing them.

Nice try getting me banned but I prefer that you continue to suffer by continuing to be alone with yourself so I'll let you try to figure it out all by your closed minded self.

Fair enough. 

I'd never presume to know all the issues going on with any poster here, but we all can't be as omniscient as you.

I better stop posting on this thread, I have suffering to get back to after all. 

 

[Lizard Queen]

Mar 31, 2017 13:37:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 12:35:41 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

No, I don't, and yes it is.

One company Christmas party, I decided to wear similar clothes to some of the other female accountants:  pencil skirt, black knee-high boots with spiked heels, and a push-up bra under a knit turtleneck blouse.  Not quite prostitute territory, but still.  Surprisingly, I got all kinds of attention from some of the male managers (higher-up) whom had never given me the time of day before.  It was ridiculous and unexpected.  An admin. assistant was already having an affair with the CEO, and it did increase her title to executive AA.

you will probably be accused of presenting anecdotally, but i would challenge any MAN here to consider their attitudes toward women for LESS THAN A MINUTE and see if this comment makes sense to them.

disclosure: i look women up and down ALL OF THE TIME.  but i try VERY HARD, once i do that, to look past that.  i don't know if it makes me better or worse (either thing) than any other man to do that, but i am quite conscious of it, and i hope that not too many women find it offensive.  it is a fact of me, and if we can get past that fact, i can assure you that i am interested in who you are inside that skin. 

one nice thing about this board is that i have no idea if you all are porn stars or couch potatoes, so i don't get the chance to consider that.  it is just your mind and my mind, and i kinda like it that way. 

Well, too be fair, the dress code at work was quite casual, so I was normally couch potato.  That's why it was such a noticeable change for me in how I was treated.  Like I said, it was ridiculous.  I was the same person that had talked to this one particular manager about a dozen times in person.  Suddenly, looking like I had boobs made me more important. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 31, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 11:06:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Women of YMAM:

Do you look like a 23-year-old prostitute?

If not, do you feel your social mobility is hamstrung?

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

We'll discuss this PRINCIPLE in the other thread.

The principle in this thread is whether your focus on Pres. Trump's appearance is any more appropriate than "men's" focus on women's appearance. ISFAIC, the answer is plainly 'no'.

Either focus on the things you want other people to focus on or pipe down and let them focus on the same things you do. Your attempt to divorce focus from judgment is nothing but a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 16:49:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 31, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

We'll discuss this PRINCIPLE in the other thread.

The principle in this thread is whether your focus on Pres. Trump's appearance is any more appropriate than "men's" focus on women's appearance. ISFAIC, the answer is plainly 'no'.

Either focus on the things you want other people to focus on or pipe down and let them focus on the same things you do. Your attempt to divorce focus from judgment is nothing but a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

sure you will. 

the fact that that 300 lb Brittany Spaniel "shoudn't" be teased for his bloated gingerness is actually not the subject.  nobody should.  that's true.  everybody gets that.  the problem is that principle is NEVER applied equally.

ever.

focus on that.

edit: conservatives presume that we live in a perfect world.  we don't.  and it won't be made perfect by screaming "equal rights" when rights are denied to the half you are screaming TO.

[Peace Of Mind]

Mar 31, 2017 10:47:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 7:19:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Can you imagine the blow back and moral outrage if these comments were directed at a female politician? But I guess it's ok because Trump is a white male and republican.

The double standard is alive and well.

of course.  but women are constantly judged for their looks.  it doesn't matter if the president is as bloated as a dead body at sea for a week.  it doesn't matter if he has the complexion of an expired citrus.  it doesn't matter if his hair looks like a lifetime supply of shark fin cartalege.  he can still do whatever the hell he wants, with credibility and a sense of power.

if a woman fails to look like a 23 year old prostitute, however, her social mobility is hamstrung.

but don't take my word for it.  ask the women on this board.  just ask them.  don't assume anything.  i think you will find that the double standard is NOT being perpetuated by women, and those that defend them.

<<looks DJ up and down objectively>>         I love you so hard right now for being honest about this! 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Mar 31, 2017 19:18:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 31, 2017 14:53:25 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

1. No.

2. No.

that wasn't quite the relevant question, but thanks for your participation.

Well...you are quite welcome but it wasn't your question I was answering.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 31, 2017 20:45:10 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Mar 31, 2017 19:18:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that wasn't quite the relevant question, but thanks for your participation.

Well...you are quite welcome but it wasn't your question I was answering.

you say tomayto, i say tomahto.

[weltschmerz]

Can you imagine the blow back and moral outrage if these comments were directed at a female politician? But I guess it's ok because Trump is a white male and republican.

Why do you care?? Trump doesn't.

“You know, it really doesn`t matter what (the media) write as long as you`ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”



-Donald Trump

[Opti]

Mar 31, 2017 16:49:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 31, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that's not the question, actually.  but amuse yourself with it if you wish.

the real question is THIS:

do men judge you FIRST by your appearance, THEN by everything else you have to offer?

don't get distracted by the details, Virgil.  the PRINCIPLE is what is in question, here.

We'll discuss this PRINCIPLE in the other thread.

The principle in this thread is whether your focus on Pres. Trump's appearance is any more appropriate than "men's" focus on women's appearance. ISFAIC, the answer is plainly 'no'.

Either focus on the things you want other people to focus on or pipe down and let them focus on the same things you do. Your attempt to divorce focus from judgment is nothing but a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

I'd much rather discuss the principle DJ brought up in this thread. As an admin, you should remember that no one is supposed to determine what is discussed in a thread as long as it does not violate the COC. I get you want to discuss comparing any focus on Trump's appearance with the usual focus on women's appearance, but it is a false equivalency as DJ pointed out. Men who look bad are not perceived to have other flaws simply because they look bad. This is not true for women. And that's why the comparison fails.

Hillary's pantsuits were brought up to criticize her as a woman, as competent. Trump's badly fitting suits barely got any play in comparison. And as noted earlier, all the dislike of his hair and complexion, had nothing to do with his perceived competency.

That's very important. By failing to acknowledge sexism when its pointed out, you are helping to perpetuate it. MHO.

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 1, 2017 2:20:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 31, 2017 16:49:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

We'll discuss this PRINCIPLE in the other thread.

The principle in this thread is whether your focus on Pres. Trump's appearance is any more appropriate than "men's" focus on women's appearance. ISFAIC, the answer is plainly 'no'.

Either focus on the things you want other people to focus on or pipe down and let them focus on the same things you do. Your attempt to divorce focus from judgment is nothing but a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

I'd much rather discuss the principle DJ brought up in this thread. As an admin, you should remember that no one is supposed to determine what is discussed in a thread as long as it does not violate the COC. I get you want to discuss comparing any focus on Trump's appearance with the usual focus on women's appearance, but it is a false equivalency as DJ pointed out. Men who look bad are not perceived to have other flaws simply because they look bad. This is not true for women. And that's why the comparison fails.

Hillary's pantsuits were brought up to criticize her as a woman, as competent. Trump's badly fitting suits barely got any play in comparison. And as noted earlier, all the dislike of his hair and complexion, had nothing to do with his perceived competency.

That's very important. By failing to acknowledge sexism when its pointed out, you are helping to perpetuate it. MHO.

I stand by my assessment in the other thread.

People choose their targets based on who they resent; they choose a mode of attack based on what they believe will do the most damage. In many cases this equates to more attacks on women's appearance since--both neurologically and socially--women are more self-conscious (as well as more critical of others; look it up if you don't believe me) when it comes to appearance. It's the easiest way to cause harm.

North Americans are also sensitive about race, disabilities, and hygiene. Not surprisingly, these criticisms feature prominently in North American dialogue. They're the handguns of ideological warfare: easy to wield, easy to fire, and they cause a lot of damage.

My starting point is that we shouldn't be invoking such criticism in political debate, period. When we start arguing about when and where it may be appropriate to use them, which is precisely what a debate about sexism entails here, we've lost sight of the bigger picture.

As I've said elsewhere, the only good any of us will ever get out of these discussions is the opportunity to amend our behaviour. Unless you believe we needn't abstain from attacking politicians' appearance, race, dress, etc. in some circumstances, debate on the prevalence of (or motivations behind) such attacks is irrelevant from an amending-our-behaviour perspective. If you're just here to complain about how society ain't right, be my guest. I'll be outside eating a doughnut.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 1, 2017 2:20:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 31, 2017 16:49:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

We'll discuss this PRINCIPLE in the other thread.

The principle in this thread is whether your focus on Pres. Trump's appearance is any more appropriate than "men's" focus on women's appearance. ISFAIC, the answer is plainly 'no'.

Either focus on the things you want other people to focus on or pipe down and let them focus on the same things you do. Your attempt to divorce focus from judgment is nothing but a poor excuse for bad behaviour.

I'd much rather discuss the principle DJ brought up in this thread. As an admin, you should remember that no one is supposed to determine what is discussed in a thread as long as it does not violate the COC. I get you want to discuss comparing any focus on Trump's appearance with the usual focus on women's appearance, but it is a false equivalency as DJ pointed out. Men who look bad are not perceived to have other flaws simply because they look bad. This is not true for women. And that's why the comparison fails.

Hillary's pantsuits were brought up to criticize her as a woman, as competent. Trump's badly fitting suits barely got any play in comparison. And as noted earlier, all the dislike of his hair and complexion, had nothing to do with his perceived competency.

That's very important. By failing to acknowledge sexism when its pointed out, you are helping to perpetuate it. MHO.

i don't even think it speaks to core competency.  women are never making it past the first checkpoint with certain gatekeepers.

it is more like a grocery wholesaler that is selecting shelf sale fruit.  y'all are getting culled out before you even get the CHANCE to show competency.  and it is not just jobs.  i think it hits you at every level of society.

is it getting more subtle over time?  sure.  well....until 2016, anyway. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 1, 2017 10:01:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 1, 2017 2:20:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'd much rather discuss the principle DJ brought up in this thread. As an admin, you should remember that no one is supposed to determine what is discussed in a thread as long as it does not violate the COC. I get you want to discuss comparing any focus on Trump's appearance with the usual focus on women's appearance, but it is a false equivalency as DJ pointed out. Men who look bad are not perceived to have other flaws simply because they look bad. This is not true for women. And that's why the comparison fails.

Hillary's pantsuits were brought up to criticize her as a woman, as competent. Trump's badly fitting suits barely got any play in comparison. And as noted earlier, all the dislike of his hair and complexion, had nothing to do with his perceived competency.

That's very important. By failing to acknowledge sexism when its pointed out, you are helping to perpetuate it. MHO.

i don't even think it speaks to core competency.  women are never making it past the first checkpoint with certain gatekeepers.

it is more like a grocery wholesaler that is selecting shelf sale fruit.  y'all are getting culled out before you even get the CHANCE to show competency.  and it is not just jobs.  i think it hits you at every level of society.

is it getting more subtle over time?  sure.  well....until 2016, anyway. 

You know, the more I read about how rotten and sexist I am from a guy who doesn't know a blessed thing about me...

[djAdvocate]

Apr 1, 2017 10:15:05 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Apr 1, 2017 10:01:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i don't even think it speaks to core competency.  women are never making it past the first checkpoint with certain gatekeepers.

it is more like a grocery wholesaler that is selecting shelf sale fruit.  y'all are getting culled out before you even get the CHANCE to show competency.  and it is not just jobs.  i think it hits you at every level of society.

is it getting more subtle over time?  sure.  well....until 2016, anyway. 

You know, the more I read about how rotten and sexist I am from a guy who doesn't know a blessed thing about me...

i have not said a single (negative) thing about you or any other poster on this thread, Virgil.

taking my comments AS IF they were directed to you doesn't put you in a good light.

i would suggest that you refrain from doing so.