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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 23:10:39 GMT -5
Obama held the secure conference call with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Bob Gates, AFRICOM Cmdr. Gen. Carter Ham and Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough.
Also participating in the call were Chief of Staff William Daley and National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, both of whom are traveling here with Obama.
A White House statement about the call said Obama received a briefing from Ham on the U.S. military action in Libya "as part of the international effort to enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973," passed last Thursday to enforce a no-fly zone and use any means necessary to stop Gadhafi from continuing to harm civilians.
"The president also discussed the ongoing military and diplomatic consultations taking place on the situation in Libya," said the White House statement. "The president offered his thanks and admiration to General Ham and asked that he communicate that to all of the men and women of the U.S. armed forces who are carrying out this operation."
As part of the diplomatic consultations, especially with Arab nations in order to demonstrate this is a broad coalition and inoculate the White House from charges the mission is anti-Muslim, Vice President Joe Biden also worked the phones on Sunday.
Biden spoke by phone with Prime Minister of Algeria Ahmed Ouyahia as well as Emir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, according to a White House statement.
"The vice president discussed with both the prime minister and the emir their mutual support for the full implementation of the resolution and the need to protect the Libyan people," said the statement.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 20, 2011 23:11:15 GMT -5
What DID he say fcs?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 23:12:57 GMT -5
That CNN story is crappe. He IS on a diplomatic mission to BRAZIL ffs. He's not going to reply to Boehner's BS in his speech to the Brazilians...dumb. GD controversy mad media... Not to worry Joe Biden is now in charge ...but let's hope Ole Joe didn't screw the pooch again or make any verbal gaffs when he is in charge and dicussing Libya with Ouyahia as well as the Emir... Biden spoke by phone with Prime Minister of Algeria Ahmed Ouyahia as well as Emir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, according to a White House statement.
"The vice president discussed with both the prime minister and the emir their mutual support for the full implementation of the resolution and the need to protect the Libyan people," said the statement.Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=4937&page=5#ixzz1HCi17cEm
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 23:17:14 GMT -5
What DID he say fcs?
Who are you refering to? Joe Biden and his calls with the Arab Sheiks ?? Here' what Ole Joe may have said to these Arab Rulers??
"Well now Mr Ahmed Ouyahia or whatever your name is and Mr Emir Sheik here's what is shaking in Libya we have hit that nutjob Crazy Khadahfy right where it hurts; yes you are correct on his palace and bombed the hell out it and may I also add this a big F ing deal in case you don't realize it now and feel free to call me any time over the next few days while my boss is away in Latin America and yes I am the Vice President but minding the store while Obama is away"
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 21, 2011 1:24:41 GMT -5
I wonder how we ever won WW2, considering the lines of communication at the time, two theaters of War , time taken to decode all communications, no computers , Amazing.
Yet then we had a PONTUS who stayed up late each night waiting for the days actions reports, Air Force details on the activities of the day, even offering advice and instructions according to reports, my little war, look how that one turned out.
I guess I have a hard time wondering why it's so important that in todays age, why a POTUS has to be in the War Room in the White House when there is something that he has well trained professionals , with their marching orders directing what ever has been decided , as if that will make a difference in what is accomplished.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 6:19:45 GMT -5
Obama was right to back a no-fly zone over Libya. But he should have done it weeks ago. In this week's Newsweek, Niall Ferguson dissects Obama's epic indecision on what to do about Libya. "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly." Macbeth's famous line before he kills Duncan came to mind last week, when President Obama belatedly changed his mind about military intervention in Libya. Like Obama, Macbeth fervently hopes that "this blow might be the be-all and the end-all" : But in these cases ... we but teach Bloody instructions, which, being taught, return To plague the inventor: this even-handed justice Commends the ingredients of our poison'd chalice To our own lips. The president has been more Hamlet than Macbeth since the beginning of the revolutionary crisis that has swept the desert lands of North Africa and the Middle East. To act or not to act? That has been the question. The results of his indecision have been unhappy. Hosni Mubarak, for so long an American ally, has been overthrown in Egypt. Muammar Gaddafi, the erstwhile sponsor of terrorism so foolishly rehabilitated by the West just four years ago, has-until now-lived to fight another day in Libya. Meanwhile, in Bahrain, another insurrection is being quelled with the help of Saudi Arabia-an American ally even more important than Libya. Obama, a novice in foreign affairs, is a president without a strategy. Once a critic of American military intervention in the Middle East, once a skeptic about the chances of democratizing the region, he now finds himself with a poisoned chalice in each hand. In one there are the dregs of the last administration's interventions: military commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan that he is eager to wind down. In the other is a freshly poured draft of his own making. Make no mistake. Whatever the wording of the United Nations Security Council resolution, the United States is now at war with the Libyan government, and the aim of this war is the overthrow of Gaddafi.more bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/news#wallState=0__%2Fpolitics%2Fthe-big-dither-1683873.story
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 6:22:32 GMT -5
when President Obama belatedly changed his mind about military intervention in Libya. Like Obama, Macbeth fervently hopes that "this blow might be the be-all and the end-all" :
Did he change his mind after Hillary assured him the Arab League would support UN Resolution 1973? He does indeed want this to blow over as Mr Gates said yesterday our troops wil be turning the Libyan over to the Frence and the British..
Are the moves for poltical reasons by Obama? Because Tip O'Neil the great Speaker of the House,& BC Graduate once said "Everything is political in Washington DC"......but not too sure about Brazil.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 7:19:26 GMT -5
I guess I have a hard time wondering why someone is called "Commander in Chief" and has the authority and responsibility to send people to die in combat and i wonder why you are wondering anyone would wonder why he shouldn't instead be wringing his hands in the White House and studying the situation. I agree and I have a very hard time to understand why when I challenge Obama's Leadership on critical issues i.e. domestic oil drilling, immigration, budgetary proposals for spending, and his complete lack or preparing adequately for contingencies in the Middle East, North Africa and abroad that my military service is demeaned and degraded ....What does my prior years in the Marines have to do with anything that we are discussing on this thread?? It is not relevant but yet Mod Bashing is not allowed then how about Military Bashing??? Why is it allowed ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 7:46:58 GMT -5
I heard someone say once, if you like someone, they can spill their plate in your lap and you'll brush off their apologies... but if you dislike someone, the way he holds his fork will make you want to kill him...
Exactly how long does it take to fill out one's NCAA picks anyway? And how many articles do i have to post showing that Obama most certainly is in the loop... and doing what needs to be done, all the conference calls you want on Libya, while also working toward South American goals including Brazil negotiations...
Appearances will always be skewed by the observer... who has a vested interest in measuring skirt length...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 7:55:25 GMT -5
I heard someone say once, if you like someone, they can spill their plate in your lap and you'll brush off their apologies... but if you dislike someone, the way he holds his fork will make you want to kill him... Exactly how long does it take to fill out one's NCAA picks anyway? And how many articles do i have to post showing that Obama most certainly is in the loop... and doing what needs to be done, all the conference calls you want on Libya, while also working toward South American goals including Brazil negotiations... Appearances will always be skewed by the observer... who has a vested interest in measuring skirt length... I suggest you read what John Boehner, Haley Barbour, and John Bolton have said about Obama's leadership re: Libya....are they all wrong and you are correct?? Maybe you might agree with their point of view after you read what they said lately about Obama being AWOL during the crisis in Libya.. Bolton said Obama has been a complete failure in the eyes of the world because of his lack of leadership in foreign affairs... And here's what Speaker John Boehner said: The speech came shortly after House Speaker John Boehner released a sharply worded statement in Washington pressing Obama to lay out more detail about the administration's goals in Libya. "Before any further military commitments are made, the administration must do a better job of communicating to the American people and to Congress about our mission in Libya and how it will be achieved," Boehner said in the prepared statement. And here's what former US Treasurer Rosario Marin said "President Obama needs to defend his poor record. He needs to be raising money and he should be running scared so he plans to appear at more fund risers out here next month"
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 21, 2011 8:00:28 GMT -5
Our leaders and legislators can and should be under our microscope of scrutiny. And, again, they should do what they believe is right and in the best interest of the nation. If they are doing so, then that is what leadership is. But, if the people don't agree, then we have options to vote them out. "The day that I achieve perfection is the day that I will start to expect it of you." Bill Microscopes have different levels of magnification.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 8:04:14 GMT -5
What would you expect them to say? 2 opposing candidates for pres and the opposing Speaker? Bolton speaks at a GOP convention and you think he doesn't have a motive? ... And are Boehner and Barbour Bolton now on the teams privy to and influencial over defence decisions? Are they privy to Obama's conference calls and briefings on Libya? lmao...
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 21, 2011 8:06:54 GMT -5
... I suggest you read what John Boehner, Haley Barbour, and John Bolton have said ... Barbour and Bolton are considering runs for the Presidency. Anything they have to say must be seen and heard through that fact. Boehner is the opposition leader of a competing political party. (He is also correct that we need a clearly stated objective for what we are doing in Libya.)
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 8:07:04 GMT -5
What would you expect them to say? 2 opposing candidates for pres and the opposing Speaker? Bolton speaks at a GOP convention and you think he doesn't have a motive? ... And are Boehner and Barbour Bolton now on the teams privy to and influencial over defence decisions? Are they privy to Obama's conference calls and briefings on Libya? lmao... And your point is what?? Are they correct or not? If not then prove them wrong instead of your typical liberal hype or spin or attack the messengers instead of their messages.. Or do you just want to take cheap shots instead or discussing this thread which is about Obama's motives and not his actions ?? Go for it..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 8:13:08 GMT -5
How do they know anything? Are they on the security team? Do they have any access to what is being told and decided?
You had best learn to examine the messenger for internal bias (and falacy of logic while you're at it) ... its something my 9 and 12 year olds are learning to do quite nicely... so i'm thinking its within your capability...
If anything... Boehner's statement demonstrates that he doesn't know anything... lol...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 8:15:47 GMT -5
Of course, and the President is a man like everyone else. But, we expect a man of high ideals, character, integrity. And, that is why we do not crown kings. We understand that he/she is a human being. But, we can and should hold one another accountable for our behaviors, etc. Just my view but I think Obama is in danger of losing the Military because of the way he handled the Libyan Conflict....I could be wrong but reading between the lines and the lack of preparedness and back and forth for weeks has the military leaders completely frustrated. Gates and Biden were opposed to the NO FLY ZONE and opposed UN Resolution 1973, Obama was unsure but wanted more involvement by the Coalition forces including the Arab League but was slow to make a decision or provide direction until after the UN vote.. and as I said before I think Hillary did all the heavy lifting and I applaud her for it as do the military members who I have discussed this with.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 8:19:12 GMT -5
How do they know anything? Are they on the security team? Do they have any access to what is being told and decided? You had best learn to examine the messenger for internal bias (and falacy of logic while you're at it) ... its something my 9 and 12 year olds are learning to do quite nicely... so i'm thinking its within your capability... If anything... Boehner's statement demonstrates that he doesn't know anything... lol... Just as I expected ...attack the messengers without even reading the messages to understand it or to refute it.. Do they make a case about Obama's leadership or not?? Then prove them wrong and if you want to get into a mud slinging contest again then find someone else I don' have the time or inclination for that. Prove the fallacy of logic ..whatever those buzz words mean...just a lot of fluff with no substance in your retorts...but go ahead and take your best cheap shots again which is all you like to do here.. I think you ought to take the time to read what Boehner said before attacking him ad nauseum BTW no where in our disagreements have I taken any cheap shots at you ...but might just begin because I think so little of you ...in all due respects becauase we all know how important you believe you are here If anything... Boehner's statement demonstrates that he doesn't know anything... lol... Pot meet kettle..
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 21, 2011 8:23:38 GMT -5
... Just my view but I think Obama is in danger of losing the Military because of the way he handled the Libyan Conflict.... Not sure exactly what "losing the Military" means. Any military personnel who feel that they can no longer support their duly elected Commander in Chief should resign. Any who engage in any action impeding the carrying out of orders within the legal chain of command should be terminated from service.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 8:27:50 GMT -5
Well we'll see how this all turns out, but I was and am opposed to American intervention in Libya. It's expensive, it's none of our business, and we have no idea who will have power when all is said and done. Having said that, I hope there is a quick and good resolution to the conflict. I want to believe that we are out in front now because we have capabilities that others don't for compromising Libya's military strength, and that once the initial softening up is done others will take over. I will say, it is amazing to see our military forces in action. Demi FYI: www.marines.mil/news/Pages/pressreleases.aspx?Page=1One of the concerns that our military has if we are seen as weak or leaderless in Libya then that could further embolden our foes in the area...and for some having the French in charge is tough to take or may take time to get used to..??
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 8:52:42 GMT -5
PI- I didn't see any reference to those concerns in the website you linked to. JMO, but I think our forces look anything but weak in Libya right now. If some have a hard time with the French and English running the show who cares? This is their back yard. That website is just to provide the latest or breaking news only but I am privy to a members only military website that has been all abuzz over the Libyan Conflict by active, reserve and retired military...and the bottom line or my take is that our military is having a hard time with this conflict because of Obama's absence from the scene..
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 9:07:37 GMT -5
Well if that's the case, then they are entitled to their opinion, as are we all. My opinion is that we shouldn't even be there, but no one asked me either. We had no choice and as you well know you and I have no idea what went on behind closed doors or on confidential calls with the Arabs in the region. I think Obama was being pressured by the Arab League to do something in Libya to stop the mass killing of Khadahfy's protesters..and he was hesitant until they promised to be part of the Coalition...again just a hunch from my readings and research although must admit somewhat limited and biased.. Gates wanted no part of Libya and I think our military supported him but now that we have skin in the game they just want to know what are their goals or mission and that is unknown since Obama has not yet addressed it but may when he returns from his latest boondoggle.. Demi FYI email on our website from Retired Vice Admiral Bob Scarborough, of Arlington , Va. "I wanted to give you all some disturbing information on our wonderful president. I work with the Catch-A-Dream Foundation which provides hunting and fishing trips to children with life-threatening illnesses. This past weekend we had our annual banquet / fundraiser event in Starkville . "As a part of our program, we had scheduled Sgt. 1st Class Greg Stube, a highly decorated U.S. Army Green Beret and inspirational speaker who was severely injured while deployed overseas and didn't have much of a chance for survival to come. Greg is stationed at Ft. Bragg , NC and received permission from his commanding officer to come speak at our function... Everything was on go until Obama made a policy that NO U.S. SERVICEMAN CAN SPEAK AT ANY FAITH-BASED PUBLIC EVENTS ANYMORE. Needless to say, Greg had to cancel his speaking event with us... Didn't know if anyone else was aware of this new policy. Wonder what kind of news we all will receive next. You're just starting to see the Obamanation. Your religion is on the list next. I don't know about you, but this makes me furious. This is just how the Nazis did it in the 30's, slowly, one step at a time. If you don't see the similarities you are truly blind.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2011 9:35:31 GMT -5
We just couldn't allow a massacre "with no mercy" by that schmuck. Now the people of Libya can toss him...Vive la France!! (there ya go ED We certainly could have. We just didn't because this particular massacre was happening in an oil rich country whose military we can strike with impunity. After all, the Bamster has to get re-elected in two years...and $4 a gallon gasoline doesn't bode well for that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2011 9:38:58 GMT -5
Well if that's the case, then they are entitled to their opinion, as are we all. My opinion is that we shouldn't even be there, but no one asked me either. I'm with you. Strange how this issue has divided left and right.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 9:41:23 GMT -5
Well if that's the case, then they are entitled to their opinion, as are we all. My opinion is that we shouldn't even be there, but no one asked me either. I'm with you. Strange how this issue has divided left and right. I agree and am beginning to think that our Military wanted no part of this confilct in Libya but some probably wanted Col Khadahfy taken out..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2011 9:47:33 GMT -5
Man, this is weird. I also agree Obama was stuck in a no-win situation here. Any President would have been in the same spot.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 9:56:23 GMT -5
Man, this is weird. I also agree Obama was stuck in a no-win situation here. Any President would have been in the same spot. Look for the US to out of Libya in a few days...the Arab League is now pressuring Obama to back off because they don't like what they are seeing with all of the missiles and bombs beind dropped on Khadahfy and his boys
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Post by henryclay on Mar 21, 2011 10:04:44 GMT -5
I think my opinion on "whether" we should be involved is moot. We ARE involved. We could all probably provide some guidance on how to end it. But those opinions would very likely also be moot.
I can offer something concerning military personnel resigning if they can't support the president's directives.
On another thread there was a discussion that a lot of people said involved a contract, and they opined that contracts are binding. Some may not be as binding as people said, but a contract to serve in the military is not one of them. Contracts to serve in the military are probably the poster child of enforceable contracts. The alternative is jail time, as several people have learned since Obama became CIC.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 21, 2011 10:13:21 GMT -5
I think my opinion on "whether" we should be involved is moot. We ARE involved. We could all probably provide some guidance on how to end it. But those opinions would very likely also be moot. I can offer something concerning military personnel resigning if they can't support the president's directives. On another thread there was a discussion that a lot of people said involved a contract, and they opined that contracts are binding. Some may not be as binding as people said, but a contract to serve in the military is not one of them. Contracts to serve in the military are probably the poster child of enforceable contracts. The alternative is jail time, as several people have learned since Obama became CIC. Hey Henry This conflct in Libya is getting very little press on the usmc.news website for some reason?? And BTW there will be no more USMC bashing here..finally won one, I guess?? 26th MEU aims to safeguard Libyans, key city 3/21/2011 By Capt. Richard K. Ulsh, 26th MEU USS Kearsarge, at sea — In an effort to safeguard the Libyan populace and infrastructure in and around the city of Ajdabiyah from further attacks by regime forces, 26th MEU, as part of Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn, launched a second round of strikes by AV-8B Harrier jump jets, March 20. Conditions set forth by the U.N. Security Council towards resolving the unrest in Libya included the removal of Libyan Leader Muammar al-Qadhafi’s forces from Ajdubiyah. These latest strikes by the MEU aimed at preserving the sanctity of the city and the safety of the civilians within it. “Our primary concern was ensuring the people inside Ajdubiyah were safe from Qadhafi’s artillery and tanks,” said Col. Mark J. Desens, commanding officer of 26th MEU. “Everything we are seeing following these strikes indicates that his forces are now less capable of threatening the town than before.” Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn is the U.S. Africa Command task force established to provide operational and tactical command and control of U.S. military forces supporting the international response to the unrest in Libya and enforcement of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1973. UNSCR 1973 authorizes all necessary measures to protect civilians in Libya under threat of attack by Qadhafi regime forces. JTF Odyssey Dawn is commanded by U.S. Navy Admiral Samuel J. Locklear, III. For more information on 26th MEU visit www.marines.mil/unit/26thmeu or follow us on Facebook and Twitter, @26meu. Still and video imagery are available at www.dvidshub.net/units/26MEU. For media queries contact Capt. Richard Ulsh, 26th MEU public affairs officer at richard.ulsh@usmc.mil.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 21, 2011 10:19:35 GMT -5
I agree and am beginning to think that our Military wanted no part of this confilct in Libya but some probably wanted Col Khadahfy taken out.. IMHO, if they really wanted him taken out, they would have launched a special forces unit, not tomahawks.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 21, 2011 10:20:29 GMT -5
Well if that's the case, then they are entitled to their opinion, as are we all. My opinion is that we shouldn't even be there, but no one asked me either. One of the things you couldn't take away friom the military, grunts definitely and even officers to other officers, is their bitching. Told to me by Dad who saw much combat with Patton's third, WW2, and my Uncle Joe who was in the Philippines and other campaigns in the Pacific as well as relatives , cousins who didn't make it overseas. Lo and behold when it was my turn to join that illustrious group, the time honored "bitch and moan, still prevalent, a daily occurrence, especially in down times, other times, a bit of other things on ones mind. So guess even today, a time honored tradition still handed down. I will bet even in the highest levels, say Pentagon's exclusive rest rooms for two star and above, after looking around, same thing, just not on the daily every day cluster F that most of the grunts are bitching about, more the cluster F that those of two stars and above have to deal with.
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