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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 8:28:09 GMT -5
"And what does McCain have to do with the facts" Presidents set the direction... Obama's direction is much different than McCain's would have been... He hasn't been absent... except in your head?... Its great that we have a strong enough administration, which is technology savy and capable of working from anywhere in the world... so that we can accomplish more than one task at a time... WHO do you think is in charge of our military? Do you think Hilary also ordered the attack? .... lol... Read this article... it is an excellent recap... and shows real strengths in the process... including the Arab nations coming to the UN, outside of an Israel/Arab conflict, addressing its potential and seeing results on its requests... and a COALITION approach to addressing conflicts the area... instead of unilateral American action... I'm quite pleased... www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/19/libya.explainer/index.html?hpt=T1#
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 8:32:21 GMT -5
Obama spoke to reporters here in Brazil shortly after U.S. cruise missiles were launched against targets in Libya. Between trade talks, he got a phone update from U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was in Paris meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and other key allies. Aides said Obama has no plans to cut short his five-day trip to this region because he has secure communications wherever he goes around the world and is traveling with top aides like National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and Chief of Staff Bill Daley, who can offer face-to-face briefings. www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/19/obama.brazil.arrival/index.html#
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 8:33:36 GMT -5
I understand there is a lot of friction at the wining and dining in Brazil because Rousself made no effort to hide her frustrations with the resistance Brazil has faced in becoming a permanent member of the UN Security Council and she chaffed Mr Obama for his policies that have posed tariffs on Brazilian goods and including ethanol and cotton so what did Obama do? Why he changed the subject with President Rousself and talked about his basketball bracket picks..
And Obama said he will try to bolster the kind of economic relationship that can add more jobs for his economy back home while he tries to prove the US is engaged with those who support the terrorism, drugs and climate woes....however President Rousself is still highly agitated over the tariffs and resistance by Obama to become a member of the UN Security Council
So the bottom line is: "was this trip necessary?"
The White House said that President Obama showed no inclinations to cancel this trip....must be the beaches or Ipanema ladies, I guess?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 20, 2011 9:12:38 GMT -5
Which motive are we talking about?I can't keep them all straight. His deep hatred for white people and everything he does is centered around evening up old racial scores motive? His vendetta against business and profits motive? His muslim culture agenda? The he is intentionally destroying the markets and economy to make his communist take over easier motive?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 9:19:10 GMT -5
Which motive are we talking about?I can't keep them all straight. His deep hatred for white people and everything he does is centered around evening up old racial scores motive? His vendetta against business and profits motive? His muslim culture agenda? The he is intentionally destroying the markets and economy to make his communist take over easier motive? But not to worry Obama promised to come home from Latin America with millions of new jobs here....however he ran into a roadblock in Brazil so now maybe he wil be able to do better in Chile
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 20, 2011 16:20:53 GMT -5
lol... Hilary is Obama's Secretary of State... do you have this idea that she is somehow acting on her own? Yes I do, and been following what she has been doing since the Libyan crisis began a few weeks ago... And your point is what ?? There is no way that a person in that role would be acting on her/his own, just would not be happening, never, ever. There would be discussion, back and forths, possible even dinner ware thrown,{ not really, but strong discussion, yes, and then direction by the POTUS would be given. Actually , I am sure they are basically on the same page. If actually that much was not acceptable, then a resignation would be the result and that is not happening here. Your contiuouse suggestions the POTUS is out of the loop, not involved, again, personally me thinks it's your agenda regarding our current POTUS, but for what ever reason is not correct.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 20, 2011 16:28:05 GMT -5
Which motive are we talking about?I can't keep them all straight. His deep hatred for white people and everything he does is centered around evening up old racial scores motive? His vendetta against business and profits motive? His muslim culture agenda? The he is intentionally destroying the markets and economy to make his communist take over easier motive? But not to worry Obama promised to come home from Latin America with millions of new jobs here....however he ran into a roadblock in Brazil so now maybe he wil be able to do better in Chile Ok , good, NOW I understand your agenda...and you had command responsibilities, I wonder if some of your subordinates who appeared a bit different then you appreciated your attentions, just a thought.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 17:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by moon/Laura on Mar 20, 2011 17:13:54 GMT -5
DEZI. LEAVE PI ALONE
PI. IGNORE DEZI
i'm sick of childish bullshit. GOT IT??
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 17:19:10 GMT -5
PI. IGNORE DEZI Ok Moonbeam will do & sent you 2 PMs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 17:39:38 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just STOP. Not addressing anyone in particular, and do not care if anyone gets pissed off at me, either. The less reports and whining to moon, the less moderation needed, as I see it. We all get under each other's skin, sometimes, but, as far as I am concerned, unless someone says they are going to hunt someone else down and kill them, we do not even need mods. Let's try to keep moderation to the minimum.
Again-- not aimed at anyone, and not looking for anger here. If anything, looking for less moderation, which means less complaints, etc.
Luv ya all. Krick
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 20, 2011 17:43:29 GMT -5
Obama has apparently decided that his reelection chances improve proportionally to his failure to take any substantive positions and his avoidance of any actions which could possibly displease anyone. The tactic of avoiding mistakes [and criticism] by doing as little as possible seems to fit Obams's style. He has scrupulously avoided taking any action which might lead to his being required to take any responsibility. I conclude that Obama's motives are to "lay low" and hope problems resolve themselves, thereby avoiding making enemies even if his actions were the right ones. Libya and the "No Fly Zone" is a good example: Hillary Clinton takes any criticism along with Cameron and Sarkozi while he has washed his hands of any responsibility. It's a reelection strategy. Be pleasant, avoid confrontation and controversy and hope for the best. If things work out, as they probably will, it'll be a lead pipe cinch.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 17:48:40 GMT -5
Obama has apparently decided that his reelection chances improve proportionally to his failure to take any substantive positions and his avoidance of any actions which could possibly displease anyone. The tactic of avoiding mistakes [and criticism] by doing as little as possible seems to fit Obams's style. He has scrupulously avoided taking any action which might lead to his being required to take any responsibility. I conclude that Obama's motives are to "lay low" and hope problems resolve themselves, thereby avoiding making enemies even if his actions were the right ones. Libya and the "No Fly Zone" is a good example: Hillary Clinton takes any criticism along with Cameron and Sarkozi while he has washed his hands of any responsibility. It's a reelection strategy. Be pleasant, avoid confrontation and controversy and hope for the best. If things work out, and they probably will, it'll be a lead pipe cinch. Good stuff Safeharbor as always and I would add that if Obama comes back without any Latin American trade agreements or new contracts that translate into jobs; his trip will be deemed just another boondoggle ..but you can bet his advisors will have him spin and hype his trip as one giant success but we will need more than just words and some actions
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 17:50:48 GMT -5
Luv ya all. Krick
Why thanx Ma'am and don't fret or worry we are all in good hands with Chief Inspector Ms Moonbeam on the case from the French Constabulary...and anxiously await her findings in this matter...
BTW did you checkout the usmc website yet??? You will be impressed with how well organized it is..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 17:55:48 GMT -5
I owe you an exalt for not going after me for being a control freak, PI. LOL!! 9 minutes....
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 17:59:29 GMT -5
I owe you an exalt for not going after me for being a control freak, PI. LOL!! 9 minutes.... I am too old going after any ladies anymore ...my new role as a grand pa suits me just fine
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 18:06:21 GMT -5
LOL, PI!!! Me, too I think I still look just fine, but apparently I am 100% grandma now... suits me fine, also, although I was not planning on raising more kids........ well.... not raising, but in the same home as and babysitting, same thing--- hell, maybe I can give them some "wisdom"..... bloody well unlikely, huh?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 18:08:35 GMT -5
I just PM'd you..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 18:32:04 GMT -5
Geez, PI, yeah, that one got me. My fav cry emoticon is gone... but wah........... Oh, man, the sacrifices our country makes for others....... My comp blew up, so I do not have my favs any more. Sure wish I had my sparkly flag, but I can't find it right now........... God BLESS America.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 20, 2011 19:41:40 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just STOP. Not addressing anyone in particular, and do not care if anyone gets pissed off at me, either. The less reports and whining to moon, the less moderation needed, as I see it. We all get under each other's skin, sometimes, but, as far as I am concerned, unless someone says they are going to hunt someone else down and kill them, we do not even need mods. Let's try to keep moderation to the minimum. Again-- not aimed at anyone, and not looking for anger here. If anything, looking for less moderation, which means less complaints, etc. Luv ya all. Krick When your right , your right...
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 20, 2011 20:44:20 GMT -5
This message has been deleted for mod bashing..
Ed, I'm telling you right now that I will not tolerate you bringing stuff from other boards here. If you do so, you are gone from here permanently. As it is, this is your fifth deletion for mod bashing, which means you've earned a 24 hr vacation. That's strike 2.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 20, 2011 22:43:56 GMT -5
First, I want to say that over at YM, I used to sometimes wish we had a PM ability there. I guess I'll file that one under "be careful what you wish for"...
Back to the topic, I want to say something nice about President Obama: I liked his speech on Lybia. It was short, direct, very to the point, and it was the most "Presidential" I've EVER seen him appear. I like that he specified a limited mission, and a cooperative role with allies, but I still disagree with ANY intervention at all. Nevertheless, I knew it was coming, and as such I think Obama and the US is in a kind of a corner / pigeon holed role that we can't quit on abruptly.
But I did like that we appear at least this time to be easing off the lead role in every fire that starts around the world. One thing that concerns me still is mission-creep. We still don't have a definition of victory- no mention of regime change (though Obama did say Q'daffy duck must go earlier in the week, so I guess I'm still a little confused there; and no timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 22:49:35 GMT -5
I agree... i would have been fine with no action, but as long as we can maintain the current objective with the allied support that has been stated and not allow ourselves to be drug into a leading role, then i'm ok with what is happening...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 20, 2011 22:51:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'm "OK" with it...I have a very bad feeling about us being involved in another military action in a middle eastern, muslim nation. But I know what you mean.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 20, 2011 22:57:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'm "OK" with it...I have a very bad feeling about us being involved in another military action in a middle eastern, muslim nation. But I know what you mean. Right there with you.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 22:58:18 GMT -5
Obama barely mentions Libya as Boehner demands details By: CNN Senior White House Correspondent Ed Henry RIO de JANEIRO, Brazil (CNN) - As the massive bombardment of Libya continued for a second day over 5,000 miles away from here, President Barack Obama delivered a speech that did not mention any specifics about the U.S. role in the military action despite Republican demands for him to better define the mission. "We’ve seen the people of Libya take a courageous stand against a regime determined to brutalize its own citizens," Obama said in a 25-minute address that only briefly mentioned Libya. "Across the region, we have seen young people rise up – a new generation demanding the right to determine their own future," added Obama. "From the beginning, we have made clear that the change they seek must be driven by their own people." The speech came shortly after House Speaker John Boehner released a sharply worded statement in Washington pressing Obama to lay out more detail about the administration's goals in Libya. "Before any further military commitments are made, the administration must do a better job of communicating to the American people and to Congress about our mission in Libya and how it will be achieved," Boehner said in the prepared statement. Obama, however, did not offer any sort of a progress report one day after he authorized the U.S. military to join a massive air assault with several allies to wipe out Moammar Gadhafi's defenses and impose a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent the dictator from killing any more of his own people. Instead Obama tried to frame the situation in Libya in the broader context of the change that is sweeping across the Middle East and North Africa, and tied it to Brazil's own revolution in 1984 that eventually ended 20 years of military dictatorship here. Obama noted that the U.S. and Brazil are two nations "who have struggled over many generations to perfect our own democracies" and he stressed that the allies need to let the Arab world determine its own destiny. politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/20/obama-barely-mentions-libya-as-boehner-demands-details/
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 20, 2011 23:00:13 GMT -5
We just couldn't allow a massacre "with no mercy" by that schmuck. Now the people of Libya can toss him...Vive la France!! (there ya go ED
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 20, 2011 23:01:24 GMT -5
Obama, however, did not offer any sort of a progress report one day after he authorized the U.S. military to join a massive air assault with several allies to wipe out Moammar Gadhafi's defenses and impose a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent the dictator from killing any more of his own people.
Probably because Obama has been out of the loop re: Libya and having too much fun vacationing and touring Brazil...or maybe Joe Biden is the acting Commander in Chief and Joe is in the loop re: Libya...
But Boehner is not the only one wondering where's Mr. Obama on Libya? The news tonight is asking the same question why hasn't our President gone on National TV and let the country know about this war in Libya that involves our troops. The families of those in Harm's Way have a right to know or is this asking too much of our president??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 23:03:39 GMT -5
I agree that it should be viewed in larger context... and if Libya rebellion is quashed, i think it is detrimental to the ongoing movements... that said... Bahrain is the same... and we are going to be in some real trouble there if we (all the world not just us specifically) prove openly hypocritical in how we handle the two situations... and the third one... i'm tired... i know there's a third one though?...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 20, 2011 23:09:59 GMT -5
That CNN story is crappe. He IS on a diplomatic mission to BRAZIL ffs. He's not going to reply to Boehner's BS in his speech to the Brazilians...dumb. GD controversy mad media...
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