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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 17, 2011 17:17:23 GMT -5
I actually am not having a hissy fit over no action in Libyia. I'm highly suspicious of Obama-- and it would take three pages to explain why I'm especially suspicious of the entire middle east policy of the Obama regime (and it IS a plan, he is not stupid, or incompetent (naive, maybe)).
But I don't mind setting a precedent where the US would "participate" in a NATO led no fly zone, or a UN move. But I'm frankly tired of "leading the free world", and especially paying for it. Nothing going on in Libyia has anything to do with freedom anyway...
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 17, 2011 17:53:35 GMT -5
I actually am not having a hissy fit over no action in Libyia. I'm highly suspicious of Obama-- and it would take three pages to explain why I'm especially suspicious of the entire middle east policy of the Obama regime (and it IS a plan, he is not stupid, or incompetent (naive, maybe)). But I don't mind setting a precedent where the US would "participate" in a NATO led no fly zone, or a UN move. But I'm frankly tired of "leading the free world", and especially paying for it. Nothing going on in Libyia has anything to do with freedom anyway... I am thinking maybe Bosnia already set that precendent. Anyone more versed in that situation have a comment?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 17, 2011 18:19:37 GMT -5
I actually am not having a hissy fit over no action in Libyia. I'm highly suspicious of Obama
We are all waiting to see what his response is now that the UN Security Council just voted a few minutes ago to enforce a NO FLY ZONE in Libya.....hard to say who will take the lead on this one or will the US intervene in Libya because it could mean ground actions a well as shooting down any Libyan Planes.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2011 18:23:09 GMT -5
But I'm frankly tired of "leading the free world", and especially paying for it. I'd venture that many on the right would share this opinion. that said, I wonder why so many are whining about what we "haven't done to help out in Japan." what do you think?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 17, 2011 18:27:12 GMT -5
Actually the Marines were the first to land in Japan on Monday and set up a Helo Base in northeast Japan so they can refuel their choppers needed to bring humantarian relief to the Japanese. The Marines are trying to helo in just the basics food, water, blankets, and medicine. Not too sure how the Japanese will like eating MRE's and hopefully they are getting better than that ..
I used to do this for a living in my other life and for some reasons it was very enjoyable to know you were helping out folks in dire need....Too bad I cannot do more now except to watch the horrific scenes coming out of Japan..
I saw on CNN that the towns cut off from trucks and cars have only three more days left for food, water and medicine so the Marines have their work cut out for them along with the JDF helos
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2011 18:32:15 GMT -5
Actually the Marines were the first to land in Japan on Monday and set up a Helo Base in northeast Japan so they can refuel their choppers needed to bring humantarian relief to the Japanese. The Marines are trying to helo in just the basics food, water, blankets, and medicine. Not too sure how the Japanese will like eating MRE's and hopefully they are getting better than that .. I used to do this for a living in my other life and for some reasons it was very enjoyable to know you were helping out folks in dire need....Too bad I cannot do more now except to watch the horrific scenes coming out of Japan.. have you read this thread? I know you were in there. you have a PM, btw. I'm just trying to parse the contradictory arguments to come up with something solid. it's not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 18:39:19 GMT -5
Quadaffi just said the UN resolution "is not worth the paper it is written on." Geez-- looks like we are going to bomb Libya. And now we are evacuating Americans from Japan.. recommended by our gov't. Bad times..............
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 17, 2011 18:40:03 GMT -5
I just glanced at that thread very quickly, and commented about NPR funding being disallowed by the House ..
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 17, 2011 19:06:24 GMT -5
I actually am not having a hissy fit over no action in Libyia. I'm highly suspicious of ObamaWe are all waiting to see what his response is now that the UN Security Council just voted a few minutes ago to enforce a NO FLY ZONE in Libya.....hard to say who will take the lead on this one or will the US intervene in Libya because it could mean ground actions a well as shooting down any Libyan Planes. I am thinking the moment has passed in Libya personally. It seems Gaddafi's forces , while not the strongest in the world, with their artillery, armor and planes, the insurgents are in dire straits. Unless they actually went after Qaddafi himself which they won't , the ground forces as well, they won't ..I expect another 40 years with his kids in power, thy will crush those who rose up, the tribes who took up arms and it will be another generation if then to try again.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 17, 2011 19:08:49 GMT -5
I actually am not having a hissy fit over no action in Libyia. I'm highly suspicious of ObamaWe are all waiting to see what his response is now that the UN Security Council just voted a few minutes ago to enforce a NO FLY ZONE in Libya.....hard to say who will take the lead on this one or will the US intervene in Libya because it could mean ground actions a well as shooting down any Libyan Planes. I am thinking the moment has passed in Libya personally. It seems Gaddafi's forces , while not the strongest in the world, with their artillery, armor and planes, the insurgents are in dire straits. Unless they actually went after Qaddafi himself which they won't , the ground forces as well, they won't ..I expect another 40 years with his kids in power, thy will crush those who rose up, the tribes who took up arms and it will be another generation if then to try again. And its a darn shame
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2011 19:09:55 GMT -5
I just glanced at that thread very quickly, and commented about NPR funding being disallowed by the House ..
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 17, 2011 20:47:32 GMT -5
Not to worry- the cavalry will get their in time....
And all this worry about Obama's "motives" are irrelevant dittohead paranoia brought on by thousands of hours of Fox/Rush/Pub fearmongering and lies....
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 18, 2011 7:10:14 GMT -5
But I'm frankly tired of "leading the free world", and especially paying for it. I'd venture that many on the right would share this opinion. that said, I wonder why so many are whining about what we "haven't done to help out in Japan." what do you think? Until there is a private international business that specializes in fleets of ships, planes, helicoptors and duece and a halfs, that can move food, supplies and medicine, in 48 hours to anywhere in the world, at a moment's notice to save thousands of lives, I can live with our military doing this job. I admit, it would be nice to send a payment due notice afterwards, like the EMT'S do to us, in an emergency, but I think it would be rather tacky. Maybe we could send it to the UN instead, and deduct from our dues that they keep demanding from us.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 18, 2011 8:07:15 GMT -5
Obama had Louisville reaching the regional semifinals when he filled out a bracket for ESPN for the third straight year. The fourth-seeded Cardinals were upset by 13th-seeded Morehead State on the tournament's first full day Thursday. Obama correctly predicted the other upset in the region, tabbing 12th-seeded Richmond to topple fifth-seeded Vanderbilt. In fact, Obama was perfect for the rest of the early games other than that Louisville stumble. He picked the favored seeds to advance in the remaining six matchups, and they did. Obama selected Kansas to win it all. msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/president-barack-obama-ncaa-tournament-bracket-busted-by-louisville-031711/?gt1=39002
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 18, 2011 9:02:53 GMT -5
I'd venture that many on the right would share this opinion. that said, I wonder why so many are whining about what we "haven't done to help out in Japan." what do you think? Why would you try to tie military action together with disaster relief / aid? It's an apples and oranges comparison IMHO.
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Post by swamp on Mar 18, 2011 9:27:00 GMT -5
I did too. I hope he's right.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 18, 2011 9:33:52 GMT -5
U - Conn Husky, symbol of might to the foe. Fight, fight Connecticut, It's vict'ry, Let's go. Connecticut U - Conn Husky, vict'ry again for the White and Blue So go - go - go Connecticut, Connecticut U. C - O - N - N - E - C - T - I - C - U - T Connecticut, Connecticut Husky, Connecticut Husky Connecticut C - O - N - N - U! Fight! Granted, one of the great Fight songs it is not, however one goes with what it has
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 18, 2011 9:37:26 GMT -5
Not to be a sports Debbie Downer, but we have a sports forum for basketball.......
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 18, 2011 12:20:08 GMT -5
I like Obama's cool measured approaches to issues. No panic, no hysteria, no going to take them out, no your with me or against me period. I like the fact he is seeming to get his ducks in a row before making a statement. Like the no drama, Obama approach thank you, very well put and while some make fun with them, I like em and you get one from me. I am sure at times his decisions will not work out as he hoped and possible some of them may have to be reworked but how he gets to them, the decisions, yup.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 18, 2011 12:29:09 GMT -5
I'd venture that many on the right would share this opinion. that said, I wonder why so many are whining about what we "haven't done to help out in Japan." what do you think? Why would you try to tie military action together with disaster relief / aid? It's an apples and oranges comparison IMHO. it's all part of "leading the free world, and paying for it" IMHO.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 18, 2011 14:20:21 GMT -5
Re: Obama's Motives Worry Me, Not His ActionsCould it be that you are worried because Obama is not seen as a strong leader, but rather one who is overly cautious or paralyzed by fear of making a mistake... Remember his background as a community organizer, college professor and short stint in Illinois legislature and the senate did not prepare him very well to handle all of the challenges coming with the job as President of the United States. However after two years I think we deserve better than someone who wants to walk softly, carry a small stick and let others take the lead. But cheer up maybe he will be gone in less than two more years.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 18, 2011 14:28:30 GMT -5
Obama warns Gadhafi to comply with UN demands
'All attacks against all civilians must stop,' president says
Obama's critics are jumping all over this comment and asking where were you Mr President a few weeks ago?? Obama is getting so much heat for whatever he does or doesn't do it is making our country look like a complete joke across the globe except for our Military which is well respected by NATO and the UN...IMHO
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 18, 2011 16:04:53 GMT -5
Very much agree. I think that the heat given for him filling out NCAA basketball brackets is the epitome of criticism that makes our citizens look like complete jokes.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 18, 2011 16:10:29 GMT -5
Obama warns Gadhafi to comply with UN demands
'All attacks against all civilians must stop,' president says Obama's critics are jumping all over this comment and asking where were you Mr President a few weeks ago?? Obama is getting so much heat for whatever he does or doesn't do it is making our country look like a complete joke across the globe except for our Military which is well respected by NATO and the UN...IMHO Granted you have been giving him lots of heat, that is for sure and jumping on him for the above comment "'All attacks against all civilians must stop,", he said the same only more some weeks ago, basically paraphrasing here but say " Mr. Gaddafi, you have to go", that was the message he gave out. Your insinuating , falsely by the way, it seems to be your thing, "making our country look like a complete joke across the globe " just is not so. We will be part of a team. The world , the United Nations, not just us , have given the Libyan leader a international warning, laid down the way it will be, no ploy for negotiations, cease fire, pull back and he listed specifically where. As I said before , your agenda is not discussion, just the constant dissing of the President to the point where it is impossible for you to think or give the POTUS any support or any good will on any thing he would do, thus I suggest all your statements on any thing related to the POTUS, are suspect.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 18, 2011 20:02:04 GMT -5
A nuclear crisis in Japan, fighting in Libya, turmoil in the Mideast and the threat of a government shutdown at home. So what does Obama decide to do? Go on a trip to Brazil. Is this not a tough time for President Barack Obama to leave on a trip to Latin America??
Obama says this trip is necessary to work with Latin America to create more jobs here....
But Obama's critics think he should cancel his trip to Latin America and provide the Presidential leadership that he was elected for in 2008 and travel to Brazil at some other time..
I personally believe Obama is running away because he is overwhelmed with so many issues that he cannot deal with.
"When the going gets tough the not so tough just run away"
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 18, 2011 20:37:02 GMT -5
I would encourage people to consider how President Obama's physical absence from Washington, D.C. impacts the nuclear crisis in Japan. If immedicate presidential authorization for an action is called for, it would take place over a phone line. Does it truly matter where on the planet that President Obama is when he takes that phone call? There is no issue currently facing our country that requires President Obama's physical presence in one particular place.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 3:20:05 GMT -5
But US weakness on Libya is also a reminder of a White House incapable of leading domestically as well. This is a paralysed presidency, whether it is facing momentous events abroad or towering debts at home. The Obama administration remains in a complete state of denial regarding the massive threat the United States faces with its budget deficit, which is now the largest since 1945. As I’ve noted before, the Obama presidency is sleepwalking America towards long-term economic decline by saddling the American people with a burden of epic proportions, with the Congressional Budget Office predicting in one fiscal scenario that US debt as a share of GDP could reach a staggering 185 percent by 2035 unless it is checked. What future historians may describe as the “Libya syndrome” – a byword for US presidential inaction – is having a crippling effect on America’s ability to project global power. Barack Obama could well go down in history as the president who dithered while Rome burned, and his legacy of weakness and indecision on several fronts will haunt future generations to come. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100080169/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-paralysed-presidency-the-white-house-looks-incapable-of-leading-at-home-and-abroad/
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 19, 2011 3:25:45 GMT -5
In their hour of need, the Libyan people have looked to the most powerful figure in the world to back their cause in the face of a brutal tyrant, but until now they have been largely met with silence. Is it any wonder that some of those now fighting Gaddafi are appealing for former president Bush to help them rather than the current occupant of the White House? And as I noted in an earlier piece: The White House’s painful navel-gazing on Libya last week, with even the French adopting a far tougher stance, is cause for grave concern. The Obama administration’s timid approach to foreign policy is the last thing the world needs at a time of mounting turmoil in the Middle East, including the growing threat of a nuclear-armed Iran, and Islamist militancy on the rise from Egypt to Yemen. US leadership is now needed more than ever, but has embarrassingly gone AWOL on the world stage blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100078538/why-did-it-take-obama-two-weeks-to-publicly-call-for-gaddafi-to-go-the-us-president-arrives-late-at-the-table-on-libya/
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