Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 14, 2016 15:25:36 GMT -5
Ugh...I have been interviewing for an Accounts Payable position and not having a lot of luck. I found a candidate who seemed perfect, in fact probably over qualified, and he signed our offer letter yesterday. But the offer letter states that you are giving permission for a criminal background check. He called and told HR that he does have something on his record but it had nothing to do with money. he wouldn't say what it was jut that he was innocent and it was some kind of sexual charge.
I googled him...he spent 7 years in prison for molesting a 4 and 5 year old and is on our Megan's Law list.
We obviously rescinded the offer (and I will forever be the woman that offered a pedophile a job!) but I'm literally sick over it. He is married to a woman with young children from a previous marriage. Does she know? The Megan's law website said he is a level 2 offender with moderate risk of reoffending...who the hell would bring him into a home with young children?
And his resume has a lot of Christian charities. One of them is a motorcycle group whose mission has something to do with children. Do they know?
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy. But he is just a sick fuck who needs a bullet to the head.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 14, 2016 15:28:25 GMT -5
Mods- I have no idea why this landed in Politics...can someone move this to YM off-topic?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 14, 2016 15:32:16 GMT -5
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy
This is where I think the 1980s-1990s "stranger danger" mantra falls short. We've gotten into our heads that we should be able to recognize these people on sight, that they should be trench coat wearing guys in vans with candy or something.
When in reality they hide in plain sight and often in positions of power/authority like Jerry Sandusky.
I've talked about our former pediatrician A LOT on here. It bitch slapped the entire community upside the head when it came out that not only did he molest his 4 year old granddaughter but had been taking pictures of patients going back to the 1980s. It really drove home to me that I do not know ANYONE is behind closed doors. It's a struggle not to go overboard with paranoia.
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Post by taz157 on Dec 14, 2016 15:39:07 GMT -5
A year or 2 ago, the firm I worked for hired a pedophile unknowingly. As soon it was realized, the person was fired. Basically, HR didn't do their due diligence with the background check until after he was hired and started with firm. He started on a Monday and was gone by Friday. Also, I think one of the partners knew him from somewhere but I'm a bit hazy on the details now.
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Post by taz157 on Dec 14, 2016 15:42:20 GMT -5
At a different firm I worked for, there was a former co-worker who had gotten arrested for having child porn in his possession. As it turns out, his wife turned him. They have since divorced. She thought he was cheating on her so she started snooping. She found some hard drives and she wasn't getting a good response on what it was so she looked. As soon as she found out, she turned him and filed for divorce. Last I heard, she moved back to their home state and no clue what happened to him.
All of this was found out after he left the firm for another job opportunity. As soon as the firm found out, they looked at various laptops we had to see if anything was there, but realized his laptop was trashed long ago.
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ken a.k.a OMK
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 14, 2016 15:46:38 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 14, 2016 15:48:22 GMT -5
There was a supervisor at one of DH's former employers that was running a child porn ring out of his office computer. Supervisors had admin rights to their computers unlike other employees so nobody was monitoring what was going on.
DH said one day these guys in suits/sunglasses showed up, put the guy and his computer in a van and drove off. He said it was just like a scene out of the movies.
The plant had to hold an assembly the next day to explain what happened. After that nobody had admin rights and all company computers were monitored.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 14, 2016 15:50:46 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. There are things I am willing to bet people change about - drugs, alcohol, money. I am not willing to be sexual predators change. I am less willing to bet that pedophiles change. Not taking that bet at all.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 14, 2016 15:51:58 GMT -5
Miss T - that sucks. I have no other words.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 14, 2016 15:53:28 GMT -5
Our governor gave a state of the state speech in which he commended a welder for finding work since the governor took office.
Turns out the welder served three years for felony three sexual assault (but, he got the drug charges dropped), and had done previous time in jail for felony forgery and convicted of drunken driving three times.
Clearly someone forgot to do their background checks.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 14, 2016 15:54:31 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. It depends on the person. But, yes some people with sex issues cannot change. Even while being in treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 15:55:46 GMT -5
Ugh...I have been interviewing for an Accounts Payable position and not having a lot of luck. I found a candidate who seemed perfect, in fact probably over qualified, and he signed our offer letter yesterday. But the offer letter states that you are giving permission for a criminal background check. He called and told HR that he does have something on his record but it had nothing to do with money. he wouldn't say what it was jut that he was innocent and it was some kind of sexual charge.
I googled him...he spent 7 years in prison for molesting a 4 and 5 year old and is on our Megan's Law list.
We obviously rescinded the offer (and I will forever be the woman that offered a pedophile a job!) but I'm literally sick over it. He is married to a woman with young children from a previous marriage. Does she know? The Megan's law website said he is a level 2 offender with moderate risk of reoffending...who the hell would bring him into a home with young children?
And his resume has a lot of Christian charities. One of them is a motorcycle group whose mission has something to do with children. Do they know?
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy. But he is just a sick fuck who needs a bullet to the head. At least you caught this before he was hired. Knowing that he is involved with a woman with young children makes me feel sick. I would be very tempted to make sure she knew, but she probably does and believes her man was innocent right?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 14, 2016 15:56:00 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. I don't care how much someone claims to have changed and won't commit pedophilia again. I am not risking my child's safety. If that person wants to work a job that does not involve contact with minors than more power to them. If I find out the daycare hired a known sex offender my kid is being pulled the next day. It's not worth it.
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Post by busymom on Dec 14, 2016 15:56:06 GMT -5
Don't beat yourself up. You can't tell by the way someone looks.
DH & I have a friend who worked inside a prison for years. He reached the point he didn't even want to know what the inmates had done to get inside, as some of the most charming were the pedophiles & sex offenders.
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Post by swamp on Dec 14, 2016 15:56:18 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 14, 2016 15:56:50 GMT -5
There was a supervisor at one of DH's former employers that was running a child porn ring out of his office computer. Supervisors had admin rights to their computers unlike other employees so nobody was monitoring what was going on. DH said one day these guys in suits/sunglasses showed up, put the guy and his computer in a van and drove off. He said it was just like a scene out of the movies. The plant had to hold an assembly the next day to explain what happened. After that nobody had admin rights and all company computers were monitored. There was a woman in my 12-step group who had a husband involved in child porn. Feds came at her house at like 2 am and took a bunch of stuff without warning. She and the kids were forced to stay outside..and I think her husband was arrested on the spot.
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Post by swamp on Dec 14, 2016 15:56:54 GMT -5
Ugh...I have been interviewing for an Accounts Payable position and not having a lot of luck. I found a candidate who seemed perfect, in fact probably over qualified, and he signed our offer letter yesterday. But the offer letter states that you are giving permission for a criminal background check. He called and told HR that he does have something on his record but it had nothing to do with money. he wouldn't say what it was jut that he was innocent and it was some kind of sexual charge.
I googled him...he spent 7 years in prison for molesting a 4 and 5 year old and is on our Megan's Law list.
We obviously rescinded the offer (and I will forever be the woman that offered a pedophile a job!) but I'm literally sick over it. He is married to a woman with young children from a previous marriage. Does she know? The Megan's law website said he is a level 2 offender with moderate risk of reoffending...who the hell would bring him into a home with young children?
And his resume has a lot of Christian charities. One of them is a motorcycle group whose mission has something to do with children. Do they know?
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy. But he is just a sick fuck who needs a bullet to the head. At least you caught this before he was hired. Knowing that he is involved with a woman with young children makes me feel sick. I would be very tempted to make sure she knew, but she probably does and believes her man was innocent right? the working with him as an adult doesn't worry me. It's his home situation that concerns me.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 14, 2016 15:58:13 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. Yes, but own them. Don't gloss over them and say you were innocent.
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Post by swamp on Dec 14, 2016 15:59:39 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. Yes, but own them. Don't gloss over them and say you were innocent. Agreed.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Dec 14, 2016 16:00:02 GMT -5
I walked by one of our attorneys today and overhead pediatrician who was a convicted pedophile. No clue what case though.
I don't think that's something that can be fixed, changed, etc. Something is just wired wrong with them.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 16:00:55 GMT -5
She knows and she doesn't care. Any man is better than no man at all. I wonder if the father of her children knows?
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Post by giramomma on Dec 14, 2016 16:01:10 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children,
Depending on why the pedophile behavior...doesn't mean folks are attracted to kids. Sex addiction does strange stuff to people. Normally straight folks will have same sex encounters because it's the only thing that gets them high...having hetrosexual encounters doesn't work anymore.
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Post by emma1420 on Dec 14, 2016 16:01:14 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. It depends on the study, but there is about a 45% recidivism rate for sex offenders within 5 years of release. Keeping mind that it's estimated that less than 20% of sex crimes get reported and prosecuted, and most studies don't go beyond 5 years. www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec1/ch5_recidivism.htmli worked with a guy who specialized in sex offenders, and his Ph.D., dissertation was about specific kinds of sex offenders (although I don't remember which groups that was) and he argued that child molesters have a recidivism rate of closer to 98%. He truly believed that many of those people had a compulsion that they couldn't control, especially those people who molested kids before they hit puberty.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 16:01:43 GMT -5
Pedophiles freely admit they can't be fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 16:04:12 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'd rather have him sitting at work all day than cruising the school yards.
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Post by wyouser on Dec 14, 2016 16:24:52 GMT -5
Don't feel bad. We've had a couple (both teachers) nailed around here in the last 42 years with the reaction always being the same...."he was such a nice guy." "Who'd have ever thought" Neighbors tend to be in shock. Even co-workers. I've seen the list of back ground checks screening, training etc on anyone who works around children skyrocket. Annual or bi-annual training for anyone in volunteer associations that work with children...fingerprinting....prior conviction checks....and it occurs to me that all these background checks and investigations in the world can only catch the ones who have already been caught. All the screening in the world won't weed out anyone who has never been caught. They seem to have really good fronts. Just saying.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 14, 2016 16:43:23 GMT -5
It'd really suck for him if he was innocent.
With young victims, he must be violating parole to be with a woman with young children? If he is in same building with them??
Not sure how I feel about the job. On the one hand, yes they do need to work, etc. but no one wants to be working with them. Imagine bring your kids to work day?
Supposedly they served their time, but I sure would not want them in an office with me every day.
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 14, 2016 17:57:34 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with prejudice, so long as you pick the correct type.
Or so some people think.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 14, 2016 17:59:00 GMT -5
It'd really suck for him if he was innocent. With young victims, he must be violating parole to be with a woman with young children? If he is in same building with them?? Not sure how I feel about the job. On the one hand, yes they do need to work, etc. but no one wants to be working with them. Imagine bring your kids to work day? Supposedly they served their time, but I sure would not want them in an office with me every day. I couldn't work with him. Anyone that can sexually abuse a child is someone that doesn't deserve to live. Not sure how I could have him report to me when I seriously think he should have been executed.
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Post by suesinfl on Dec 14, 2016 18:04:54 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'd rather have him sitting at work all day than cruising the school yards. I agree that everyone needs a job, but can you imagine knowing his background and having to work with him every? I don't think I could; I would want to beat the crap out of him every time I saw him.
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