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Post by tskeeter on Dec 14, 2016 18:16:25 GMT -5
Ugh...I have been interviewing for an Accounts Payable position and not having a lot of luck. I found a candidate who seemed perfect, in fact probably over qualified, and he signed our offer letter yesterday. But the offer letter states that you are giving permission for a criminal background check. He called and told HR that he does have something on his record but it had nothing to do with money. he wouldn't say what it was jut that he was innocent and it was some kind of sexual charge.
I googled him...he spent 7 years in prison for molesting a 4 and 5 year old and is on our Megan's Law list.
We obviously rescinded the offer (and I will forever be the woman that offered a pedophile a job!) but I'm literally sick over it. He is married to a woman with young children from a previous marriage. Does she know? The Megan's law website said he is a level 2 offender with moderate risk of reoffending...who the hell would bring him into a home with young children?
And his resume has a lot of Christian charities. One of them is a motorcycle group whose mission has something to do with children. Do they know?
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy. But he is just a sick fuck who needs a bullet to the head. A sexual predator is like a confidence man. Their success is predicated on their ability to be likable and to keep their objective disguised from those around them. Not surprising that you couldn't identify this person was someone you didn't want to employ. What will be surprising is if he doesn't claim that pedophelia is a disability under the ADA, therefore you must hire him and provide whatever accommodation is required to keep employees, customers, and their families safe.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 19:03:02 GMT -5
Ugh...I have been interviewing for an Accounts Payable position and not having a lot of luck. I found a candidate who seemed perfect, in fact probably over qualified, and he signed our offer letter yesterday. But the offer letter states that you are giving permission for a criminal background check. He called and told HR that he does have something on his record but it had nothing to do with money. he wouldn't say what it was jut that he was innocent and it was some kind of sexual charge.
I googled him...he spent 7 years in prison for molesting a 4 and 5 year old and is on our Megan's Law list.
We obviously rescinded the offer (and I will forever be the woman that offered a pedophile a job!) but I'm literally sick over it. He is married to a woman with young children from a previous marriage. Does she know? The Megan's law website said he is a level 2 offender with moderate risk of reoffending...who the hell would bring him into a home with young children?
And his resume has a lot of Christian charities. One of them is a motorcycle group whose mission has something to do with children. Do they know?
And I absolutely cannot read people because he seemed like a great guy. But he is just a sick fuck who needs a bullet to the head. A sexual predator is like a confidence man. Their success is predicated on their ability to be likable and to keep their objective disguised from those around them. Not surprising that you couldn't identify this person was someone you didn't want to employ. What will be surprising is if he doesn't claim that pedophelia is a disability under the ADA, therefore you must hire him and provide whatever accommodation is required to keep employees, customers, and their families safe. Omg 😲
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 14, 2016 19:39:05 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. I couldn't have him working for me. And to be honest, there would be a mutiny if other people found out. Just the thought of it makes me sick.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 14, 2016 20:11:56 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. You are attracted to women, correct? How likely is it that you could change?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 20:16:32 GMT -5
Everyone needs a job but that doesn't mean everyone deserves a job! No way in hell would i hire a pedofile! I wouldn't stay at a company if they knowingly hired one either.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Dec 14, 2016 20:29:44 GMT -5
I think pedophiles will always be attracted to children, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to be an AP clerk. I won't hire them to do anything with kids, but they can work in an office with no child contact.
I'm used to dealing with people with issues. Everyone needs a job. No. They really should just die. Many of the seriously screwed up people on this earth were sexually abused as small children by adults who, in turn, sometimes grow up to do the same thing - or worse. Our jails and society are full of them. Think of how much nicer the world would be without them. Less children being violated and scared (and scarred), less jails, etc. needed if they grow up violent/screwed up, less taxes... They really should die at the very least - for the betterment of society.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2016 21:20:23 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with prejudice, so long as you pick the correct type. Or so some people think. That would be a double standard. What we need is to root out bigotry and the free exercise of judgment, wherever they may lurk. A few six-figure discrimination lawsuits aimed at Miss. T. ought to teach her right from wrong.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 14, 2016 21:23:28 GMT -5
What is all this prejudice nonsense? What, if anything, is "pre"?
This is postjudice.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 14, 2016 21:26:28 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with prejudice, so long as you pick the correct type. Or so some people think. That would be a double standard. What we need is to root out bigotry and the free exercise of judgment, wherever they may lurk. A few six-figure discrimination lawsuits aimed at Miss. T. ought to teach her right from wrong. What exactly am I going to be sued for?
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Post by swamp on Dec 14, 2016 21:30:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'd rather have him sitting at work all day than cruising the school yards. I agree that everyone needs a job, but can you imagine knowing his background and having to work with him every? I don't think I could; I would want to beat the crap out of him every time I saw him. I dint know. I see so much crap in my line of work that I'm not horrified by many people. What he did was wrong, and gross, and he should never be around children again. But meh, he got caught. There are lots out there who haven't been caught yet. I worry more about them. I know to keep my kids away from this guy.
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Post by swamp on Dec 14, 2016 21:32:03 GMT -5
That would be a double standard. What we need is to root out bigotry and the free exercise of judgment, wherever they may lurk. A few six-figure discrimination lawsuits aimed at Miss. T. ought to teach her right from wrong. What exactly am I going to be sued for? Discriminating against sex offenders, I guess. Virgil has a real issue understanding what constitutes a protected class of people.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2016 23:06:13 GMT -5
What exactly am I going to be sued for? Discriminating against sex offenders, I guess. Virgil has a real issue understanding what constitutes a protected class of people. I'm don't misunderstand at all. These people need protection. They're stigmatized, marginalized. Their families shun them. They feel guilty about who they are. Their suicide rates are through the roof. All due to a sexual orientation beyond their control. Many of them are guilty of nothing more than looking at pictures. Just as many were once victims themselves, and we're victimizing them all over again. We're going to let Miss T.'s bigotry decide where they can and can't work? We need a lawsuit or two to wake people up. The courts might dismiss them for a while, but social justice will eventually prevail.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 23:21:42 GMT -5
They are mentally ill and we don't lock up the mentality ill anymore but these are children they molest. Children are supposed to be protected in our society.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 23:22:54 GMT -5
An adult who gets off on naked pictures of children is sick in the head. It's not okay.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2016 23:31:27 GMT -5
An adult who gets off on naked pictures of children is sick in the head. It's not okay. Oh those icky deviants. Oh they're going to doom society. Oh they're going to get us in our sleep.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2016 23:34:06 GMT -5
You've got to be joking. I don't believe you are serious.
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Post by justme on Dec 15, 2016 0:13:39 GMT -5
He's obviously trying to make a parallel between this situation and homosexuality. Completely forgetting things like consent and age of consent.
Excuse me while I go find my eyes that rolled out of my head.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 15, 2016 0:49:19 GMT -5
I would have thought so but he seemed to think looking at pictures of naked children was okay. Good grief.
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Post by quince on Dec 15, 2016 1:26:09 GMT -5
Quite frankly, I think there is nothing "wrong" with being a pedophile. Other than that a good person who is a pedophile will probably have a pretty upsetting life, with the double burden of sexual urges they can never morally act upon, and judgement leveled upon them for actions they have not taken.
There is something wrong with being a rapist. There is something wrong with being a person who commits sexual assault.
Can someone stop harming others? YES. Can someone stop sexually desiring others? Doubtful, barring brain surgery or perhaps chemical/physical castration, but many, many people have sexual desires that they do not act upon.
If you have a legal penalty that is less than death/natural lifespan, after the penalty is served, the convict should be able to scrape together at least a marginal life. Obviously sexual offenders shouldn't be working with vulnerable people (as caretakers, for instance, including daycare or medical), and violent offenders shouldn't work security/police type jobs. Employment outside the area of offense should not be excessively hindered, else all sentences are pretty much life/death sentences. Oh, except the independently wealthy will be fine.
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Post by quince on Dec 15, 2016 1:33:41 GMT -5
...There is also obviously something wrong with being someone who looks at child porn, because that shit is only created by harming children.
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 15, 2016 1:35:04 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with prejudice, so long as you pick the correct type. Or so some people think. That would be a double standard. What we need is to root out bigotry and the free exercise of judgment, wherever they may lurk. A few six-figure discrimination lawsuits aimed at Miss. T. ought to teach her right from wrong. LOLOL. I see my work here is done.
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Post by naughtybear on Dec 15, 2016 5:58:06 GMT -5
I would have thought so but he seemed to think looking at pictures of naked children was okay. Good grief.
This is where this is going to go off the rails and into personal stuff. Then posters will start arguing this point.
No where in Virgil's post does he state that he thinks it's okay to look at pictures of naked children. What a poster seems to infer or think another poster is saying is not truth.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 15, 2016 7:18:27 GMT -5
"Many of them are guilty of nothing more than looking at pictures. "Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe they were pictures of dogs and cats and not pictures of children. Don't know how to quote just part of his quote. But if they were pictures of naked children 👶....
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Post by naughtybear on Dec 15, 2016 7:54:40 GMT -5
What a poster seems to infer or think another poster is saying is not truth.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 15, 2016 8:40:57 GMT -5
What a poster seems to infer or think another poster is saying is not truth. I disagree. While I do think Virgil is being a smart ass for the sake of proving a point (and failing as children are innocent and cannot give consent), what he is saying is that looking at child porn is no big deal. "nothing more than looking at pictures" used in this argument means child porn. You do understand he is defending sexual predators targeting children, right? That is the entire basis of his argument. So I have no idea why you are saying someone is inferring what he is talking about...this thread is about pedophiles.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 15, 2016 9:02:30 GMT -5
Holy shit ya'll. Get a grip here. Some of you are taking this "we need to be tolerant" crap a bit too far. This guy Miss T is talking about doesn't just have "desires" that he doesn't act on. He molested a 4 and a 5 year old child. He's not working beside me in an office. Next thing you know, he's in the bathroom jacking off with the picture of my nephew I keep on my desk. No way in hell. I don't care if he needs a job or not. Personally, I don't care if he starves to death. You hurt kids, you forfeit the right to be treated like a human being and I don't care if he's served his time or not. The people that decided 7 years is long enough for molesting children can starve right along with him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 9:10:49 GMT -5
Virgil keeps trying to place homosexual acts and pedophilia acts in the same catagory, suggesting that if people accept homosexuality they must accept pedophilia. It's a false equivalence, but so long as he toes that line he's going to have to own what he says.
GEL, I understand the point. I also understand Swamp's. I know of one pedophile. I check his work site at least once a year. Knowing he is still there, working and not trolling playgrounds, not slinking in shadows but easily identifiable, while I wouldn't want to work with him, makes him less dangerous in my book than if he was cut loose and floating, desperate and feeling like he had nothing to lose. It's a difficult situation.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 15, 2016 9:15:33 GMT -5
GEL, I understand the point. I also understand Swamp's. I know of one pedophile. I check his work site at least once a year. Knowing he is still there, working and not trolling playgrounds, not slinking in shadows but easily identifiable, while I wouldn't want to work with him, makes him less dangerous in my book than if he was cut loose and floating, desperate and feeling like he had nothing to lose. It's a difficult situation.
Iowa has been wrestling with this when it comes to the restraints on where registered sex offenders can live. Naturally nobody wants them living around their school or daycare. The problem is that the state is starting to lose track of these people because they don't have a lot of options on where to live so they go underground. The question becomes do we want to let them live with 15 feet of a school and know where they are or do we want to accept that with the restrictions it means they could be "anywhere" including sleeping in the school dumpster.
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Post by milee on Dec 15, 2016 9:23:56 GMT -5
Our justice system is good (in many ways, one of the best in the world), but still has many issues. Because there are many more cases than the courts and prosecutors can handle plus with the advent of shows like CSI, juries now think that every case has to have DNA and video evidence in order to convict making convictions much more difficult to obtain, it's very common for there to be a plea deal for greatly reduced charges. Child molestation cases are even more difficult to prosecute, since they often require family members to testify against each other (which most don't want to do) and to get small children - who aren't great witnesses - to testify against someone they love in court (again, incredibly difficult and most don't want to or can't do it.) The point is - it's very, very rare to get a conviction on a child molestation case. It's rare but more common to have someone agree to a plea deal for reduced charges.
So when I see that a person was found guilty of a very serious child molestation charge, I'm always willing to bet that the actual crime was much more serious because what they were convicted of usually represents the lesser charges of a plea deal. It's also not common to see someone serving such a relatively long sentence for a first offense or standard charge. So as serious as it sounds for this person to have been found guilty of child molestation and served 7 years, the actual facts of the case were almost certainly truly horrifying.
Add in the fact that this person was classified as an elevated risk of offending, and that implies either a juvenile record, evidence of repeat offenses that they weren't able to prosecute but for which there's strong evidence or the guy himself stating that he can't/won't control himself.
This is not a case of a person who was "looking at pictures".
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 15, 2016 9:27:16 GMT -5
Is it true these people can't change? I don't know how I feel about branding them for life. On the other hand I don't want them to have the opportunity to do it again. I work really hard at not judging people's choices. I draw the line when a child is hurt. There is no forgiveness from me if someone has intentionally hurt a child. Granted, I work with children, so I may have much stronger feelings about this than others. I couldn't work with him. Anyone that can sexually abuse a child is someone that doesn't deserve to live. Not sure how I could have him report to me when I seriously think he should have been executed. Exactly.
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