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Post by giramomma on Sept 22, 2016 9:24:23 GMT -5
You might be more of a joiner, a go getter, etc and he is laid back. I'm definitely NOT a joiner. LOL I was never in anything in high school. Not even class most of the time. But, I don't think my "take the path of least resistance" way was a good idea. I'm kind of a nobody with no great job skills. I'm making about the same now as I was 20 years ago (albeit with a lot less OT). I really want him to have a better life than I do with having to stress about every purchase. But, I hate, hate, HATE running around to all this stuff. I get off work at 4pm and am only home before 8 on Tuesdays and sometimes Fridays. I'd rather just go home, but if we drop this stuff all he'll do is sit around and play video games...and worse...watch youtube videos of other people playing video games. He still does that for a couple hours (at least) every day. Tonight younger son starts Cub Scouts. The thought of starting all over in that program is exhausting. I get it. My DS is in two sports this fall. It's a huge PITA. And, we don't really even have time to put the peanut in something...and she needs something now that she's adjusting to school. More importantly, she wants to do something. But, like you, the alternative is that DS will sit in front of a screen. So we run around. If your older son joins a school activity, will that mean less running around for you? My office mate is thinking about pushing her daughter towards a school sponsored sport, because practice is after school and there are no weekend games. IE, less running around. As for having a better life. and all that...I'm sure this is going to sound like a terrible parent ..but here goes..I doubt my kids will have a better standard of living than we have. My kids will have to be a high earners..In order to be pushed up into the wealthy category, my kids are going to have to be doctors, partners in a CPA firm, and marry someone who is a lawyer or other professional type making over 6 figures. I don't see them doing that. The reality is your kids, like my kids, are living more of upper middle class lifestyle, even if the income doesn't match. Private school? Alaskan Cruises? Trips to Hawaii? Multiple activities? This is not an average middle class lifestyle. I have to remind my kids, that what they see at their school isn't average, constantly. Stressing about purchases is a choice. A person can be mindful of a budget without anxiety. Unless your son is Bill Gates, the reality is he is going to have to budget and mind his spending. And, lastly, are you doing OK? You seem to be down on yourself lately. Just because you aren't Bill Gates doesn't mean you are a nobody...I think "hearing" you post that is equally as worrisome as your son's activities, if not more.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 22, 2016 9:28:09 GMT -5
www.fastweb.com/I'm surprised the school hasn't told you anything about this. It's a great resource. You'd be surprised at how many little scholarships there are floating around out there that when put together add up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 9:41:40 GMT -5
www.fastweb.com/I'm surprised the school hasn't told you anything about this. It's a great resource. You'd be surprised at how many little scholarships there are floating around out there that when put together add up. Nope, never heard of it, but he's just a freshman. OMG. There's a Gofundeme scholarship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 9:47:08 GMT -5
I'm definitely NOT a joiner. LOL I was never in anything in high school. Not even class most of the time. But, I don't think my "take the path of least resistance" way was a good idea. I'm kind of a nobody with no great job skills. I'm making about the same now as I was 20 years ago (albeit with a lot less OT). I really want him to have a better life than I do with having to stress about every purchase. But, I hate, hate, HATE running around to all this stuff. I get off work at 4pm and am only home before 8 on Tuesdays and sometimes Fridays. I'd rather just go home, but if we drop this stuff all he'll do is sit around and play video games...and worse...watch youtube videos of other people playing video games. He still does that for a couple hours (at least) every day. Tonight younger son starts Cub Scouts. The thought of starting all over in that program is exhausting. I get it. My DS is in two sports this fall. It's a huge PITA. And, we don't really even have time to put the peanut in something...and she needs something now that she's adjusting to school. More importantly, she wants to do something. But, like you, the alternative is that DS will sit in front of a screen. So we run around. If your older son joins a school activity, will that mean less running around for you? My office mate is thinking about pushing her daughter towards a school sponsored sport, because practice is after school and there are no weekend games. IE, less running around. As for having a better life. and all that...I'm sure this is going to sound like a terrible parent ..but here goes..I doubt my kids will have a better standard of living than we have. My kids will have to be a high earners..In order to be pushed up into the wealthy category, my kids are going to have to be doctors, partners in a CPA firm, and marry someone who is a lawyer or other professional type making over 6 figures. I don't see them doing that. The reality is your kids, like my kids, are living more of upper middle class lifestyle, even if the income doesn't match. Private school? Alaskan Cruises? Trips to Hawaii? Multiple activities? This is not an average middle class lifestyle. I have to remind my kids, that what they see at their school isn't average, constantly. Stressing about purchases is a choice. A person can be mindful of a budget without anxiety. Unless your son is Bill Gates, the reality is he is going to have to budget and mind his spending. And, lastly, are you doing OK? You seem to be down on yourself lately. Just because you aren't Bill Gates doesn't mean you are a nobody...I think "hearing" you post that is equally as worrisome as your son's activities, if not more. It must be the rain. But yeah, life has been kind of sucky lately. Get up, go to the job I hate, then run kids around all evening and try to get them to get everything done that needs to be done before they go to bed, then start all over the next day. Not a lot of "fun" in my life. I just work and drive. I sure don't feel like we live an upper middle class lifestyle. Probably because I have family that is traveling ALL THE TIME and driving 50K trucks and building 100K horse barns. Private school is only 3K/year because it's heavily subsidized and I saved for years. Same with the cruise 4 years of savings for a 7 day trip. When child support ends I'm hosed. 46 months to live it up.
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Post by alabamagal on Sept 22, 2016 9:49:36 GMT -5
Part of the stress for parents when kids are involved in activities is the expectation that parents be super involved in everything that the kids do. Especially as our kids got older, we were not always involved in every single thing they did. We did a lot of drop off parenting. School activities meant they stayed after school, let me know what time you need to be picked up. We tried to attend most games, but we missed some.
Some things were easier for us since kids were close in age and they were involved in same type of activities. DD was a cheerleader and I was a bad cheerleader mom for sure! I attended a few school basketball games to see her cheer, but not all. When she was football cheerleader, her brothers were on the team so I got a 2 or 3 for 1 deal out of that! Two kids were on the tennis team (only 1 year overlap though), I would go to maybe 2 or 3 local matches. It also got a lot easier once oldest could drive - she was required to deal with her brothers, when she went to college next kid could drive and same with the third.
I did help out a lot when my boys were on football team. We spent a good bit of time and money helping with before and after game meals. We also went to all the games. One of the problems with them being in a small private school in a rural part of the state is that games could be up to 3 hours away, and we managed to deal with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 10:01:35 GMT -5
I did tell him last night, we should cut down on some of the scouting stuff, maybe not do EVERY meeting and EVERY camp out. He's going to a merit badge fair this weekend so we're scrambling to squeeze in the pre-reqs for the badges he's going to be working on, but it's kind of pointless for him to go. He already has way more elective badges than he needs and our troop doesn't allow you to work on Eagle badges at these fairs, so he's just going to spend an entire Saturday to get some more bling for his uniform basically.
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Post by gs11rmb on Sept 22, 2016 10:03:51 GMT -5
And, lastly, are you doing OK? You seem to be down on yourself lately. Just because you aren't Bill Gates doesn't mean you are a nobody...I think "hearing" you post that is equally as worrisome as your son's activities, if not more.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 22, 2016 10:31:27 GMT -5
It must be the rain. But yeah, life has been kind of sucky lately. Get up, go to the job I hate, then run kids around all evening and try to get them to get everything done that needs to be done before they go to bed, then start all over the next day. Not a lot of "fun" in my life. I just work and drive. I sure don't feel like we live an upper middle class lifestyle. Probably because I have family that is traveling ALL THE TIME and driving 50K trucks and building 100K horse barns. Private school is only 3K/year because it's heavily subsidized and I saved for years. Same with the cruise 4 years of savings for a 7 day trip. When child support ends I'm hosed. 46 months to live it up. I hear you. I came home crying from job earlier this week. I'm still not in the office yet. I've been working at home. I don't want to go in. The highlight of my work day is my job walking a kid from daycare to 4K. We chat. We read a few books. It's awesome. It's OK to tell your sons, "No. I'm not going to drive you to a merit badge clinic." or "Mom is off limits for the next hour. Only come to me if you have a bone sticking out of your leg or you've lost an arm." Let me tell you about the middle class families I know. Their vacations are to the dells for a few days. Or Mackinaw island. Or Door county. All long weekends. All within a 5 hour drive. Their kids do one or two activities, not all at the same time. They also have a huge village to lean on. It doesn't matter how much private school does or doesn't cost. The fact is your son is going. And it's not the norm for most folks. Same with travel to far away places. I wish I lived closer. I'd bring my oldest and youngest. They could hang keep themselves occupied and I'd take you to a place where you could just be for a few hours.
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Post by busymom on Sept 22, 2016 10:59:01 GMT -5
I agree that activities are important. He needs to do SOMETHING. When DD got accepted to the college she graduated from, admissions told her that students in multiple activities (like DD) who were in leadership positions in some of those activities were highly preferred for entry into their college. Even non-athletic activities: band, choir, yearbook, debate, etc.
Can you trade driving with another parent? When DD was in marching band, another mom & I took turns, because the practices were sometimes far away. As a parent who's constantly in the car, a little help goes a long way!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:04:17 GMT -5
I wish I lived closer. I'd bring my oldest and youngest. They could hang keep themselves occupied and I'd take you to a place where you could just be for a few hours. You and Beth should both come and talk me off the cliff. I'll be ok, just trying to adapt to all this change at once.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:13:18 GMT -5
I agree that activities are important. He needs to do SOMETHING. When DD got accepted to the college she graduated from, admissions told her that students in multiple activities (like DD) who were in leadership positions in some of those activities were highly preferred for entry into their college. Even non-athletic activities: band, choir, yearbook, debate, etc.
Can you trade driving with another parent? When DD was in marching band, another mom & I took turns, because the practices were sometimes far away. As a parent who's constantly in the car, a little help goes a long way! Most of the driving is from my house to town and back, sometimes a couple times a day. We're in the country and nobody to carpool with, but most everything is in town for now. Marching band practices in town, scouts is all in town and they ride with the adult leaders to campouts and activities, pep band just plays home games... I just found out Speech is only January through March, so that's not horrible, but they have a lot of meets and they are far away, like as in spending the night at some of them. I will find out more about what I'd have to do Monday night when we meet with the coach. I won't be driving him to meets 3 hours away I know that.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 22, 2016 11:31:42 GMT -5
Most of the driving is from my house to town and back, sometimes a couple times a day. We're in the country and nobody to carpool with, but most everything is in town for now. Marching band practices in town, scouts is all in town and they ride with the adult leaders to campouts and activities, pep band just plays home games... I just found out Speech is only January through March, so that's not horrible, but they have a lot of meets and they are far away, like as in spending the night at some of them. I will find out more about what I'd have to do Monday night when we meet with the coach. I won't be driving him to meets 3 hours away I know that. Do you know any families in town that can help you out so you don't have to keep making trips there? Can your son hang out at a friends house or something?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 22, 2016 11:58:24 GMT -5
I just found out Speech is only January through March, so that's not horrible, but they have a lot of meets and they are far away, like as in spending the night at some of them. I will find out more about what I'd have to do Monday night when we meet with the coach. I won't be driving him to meets 3 hours away I know that.I went to a government run public school and when there were speech meets we all went on a bus together. You'd think a private school could spring for a bus. I get the school is forcing this down your throat but if it's going to mean even MORE work for you then tell them piss off. Seriously. There are plenty of books, online classes and even Toastmasters if he wants to learn to speak. Community Colleges often offer courses in public speaking/interpersonal communication. Scouts probably also has ample opportunities if you ask around. And it's never too late to learn. Don't force this commitment on yourselves out of fear that if he doesn't do it he'll somehow be doomed to the shadows and never move ahead in life. I know plenty of people who learned later in life. I also know plenty of people who can't do it and are doing just fine for themselves. Lie goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:59:16 GMT -5
Most of the driving is from my house to town and back, sometimes a couple times a day. We're in the country and nobody to carpool with, but most everything is in town for now. Marching band practices in town, scouts is all in town and they ride with the adult leaders to campouts and activities, pep band just plays home games... I just found out Speech is only January through March, so that's not horrible, but they have a lot of meets and they are far away, like as in spending the night at some of them. I will find out more about what I'd have to do Monday night when we meet with the coach. I won't be driving him to meets 3 hours away I know that. Do you know any families in town that can help you out so you don't have to keep making trips there? Can your son hang out at a friends house or something? Well, I'd still have to go get him at some point. Like Mondays. I get back done with work at 4 or 5 (depending if I'm working in Rochester or not which has been another stresser). Pick up kids, rush home, get there about 5:30 or so, feed kids, do barn chores, get DS2 to practice piano and run back to town for Scouts at 7. Younger and I will sit in the van and go over his spelling list or read or go for a walk while he's in there until about 8:30, then head home and drag a 55 pound sleeping 1st grader into the house (getting him in the top bunk is a challenge). Wednesday repeat for Jazz band. Thursday is going to be an eat at Kwik Trip day because it's get done with work at 4, piano at 4:30 and Cub scouts at 6. I should have bought the Tribble house. It is seriously walking distance to everything. If DS gets out of a dance at 11pm or home from a game on the bus at midnight, it's a two block walk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 12:01:40 GMT -5
Scouts probably also has ample opportunities if you ask around. They have a communications merit badge that he needs to get. The counselor for that is the husband of the Speech Team coach. He thinks if he goes out for Speech team he can meet some of the requirements for the MB.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 12:11:21 GMT -5
They might have a bus for speech team, I really don't know. I know nothing about the program at all or much about the school yet.
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Post by busymom on Sept 22, 2016 12:34:43 GMT -5
Do you still have DH's trailer? Park it in the school's parking lot!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 12:41:08 GMT -5
Do you still have DH's trailer? Park it in the school's parking lot! LOL No. Left that sitting in a Walmart parking lot with the keys in it and sent him a text to hurry up and get it if he didn't want all his stuff stolen. :-)
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 22, 2016 13:16:38 GMT -5
DD did marching band for four years. Every Friday night basically from Sept through Nov was spent at a football game somewhere. And yes the bus got back after eleven for almost every away game. Practices were Mon and Wed and at a weird time like school got out at 2:30 and practice started at 6:30. The school is a decent drive away from us. The first few weeks she just went out and got dinner and spent the rest of the time in the band room doing her homework. It was actually good for that. The class brainiacs were all in band so for once peer pressure worked in our favor. I did have to do a decent amount of driving to pick her up but actually not as bad as when she was younger as I only picked her up instead of having to do both. Eventually she made friends with kids in the band who lived down the street. So dinner got to be at their house instead of pizza. Actually as they got more scheduled it got to me doing less not more and that is what was more difficult. It was weird all of a sudden to have her go to school in the morning and not see her until late at night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 13:28:18 GMT -5
Actually as they got more scheduled it got to me doing less not more and that is what was more difficult. It was weird all of a sudden to have her go to school in the morning and not see her until late at night. I foresee this happening in two years because I'm hoping he's responsible enough to have a car. Then it will be weird because younger will still be at the age of no homework and minimal activities.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 22, 2016 13:39:39 GMT -5
Well, I'd still have to go get him at some point. Like Mondays. I get back done with work at 4 or 5 (depending if I'm working in Rochester or not which has been another stresser). Pick up kids, rush home, get there about 5:30 or so, feed kids, do barn chores, g et DS2 to practice piano and run back to town for Scouts at 7. Younger and I will sit in the van and go over his spelling list or read or go for a walk while he's in there until about 8:30, then head home and drag a 55 pound sleeping 1st grader into the house (getting him in the top bunk is a challenge). Wednesday repeat for Jazz band. Thursday is going to be an eat at Kwik Trip day because it's get done with work at 4, piano at 4:30 and Cub scouts at 6. OK. I was thinking about this more. Because it's either that or focus on my work and start crying (again). Here's what I would do. I would for the next few months, reduce your college contributions to your kids' 529 accounts by however much it would cost to get a babysitter to come to your house on Mondays to watch DS2 twice a month. Use that non-DS2 time for yourself to do whatever. I know it isn't ideal. But, it's just for a few months. And the realities are you can always find a way to make college work later. And, the boys not having an extra $200 set aside for college isn't going to prevent them from going. And I think it's more important that you regain some sanity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 13:57:13 GMT -5
I would for the next few months, reduce your college contributions to your kids' 529 accounts by however much it would cost to get a babysitter to come to your house on Mondays to watch DS2 twice a month. Use that non-DS2 time for yourself to do whatever. But, I'd just want to go home!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 22, 2016 14:17:21 GMT -5
Where's his dad in all of this? Can't he help with transportation once or twice a week?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 22, 2016 14:21:14 GMT -5
Where's his dad in all of this? Can't he help with transportation once or twice a week? As in, pick him up and bring him home the nights you'd have to get the other kid out of bed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 14:31:00 GMT -5
He used to help more, but now he's worse off than me. He's 52 with a one and three year old and his wife recently started working evenings, so as soon as he gets off work he has full time child care for two really little ones until 9 or 10. He's a scout leader and used to go to all the meetings and help out with some of that stuff, but he doesn't do that anymore. He probably only made it to a handful of meetings last year and spent most of the time chasing his kids around, so I kind of took over the scout stuff. He did agree to pick up DS from the homecoming dance last Friday, but I got like 4 calls from my son and the school because he wasn't showing up or answering his phone at 11pm. Apparently while I was stressing about our son going to his first dance, he fell asleep and couldn't be woken. Just as I was about to drag the sleeping kid to the van he picked up.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 22, 2016 14:36:59 GMT -5
He used to help more, but now he's worse off than me. He's 52 with a one and three year old and his wife recently started working evenings, so as soon as he gets off work he has full time child care for two really little ones until 9 or 10. He's a scout leader and used to go to all the meetings and help out with some of that stuff, but he doesn't do that anymore. He probably only made it to a handful of meetings last year and spent most of the time chasing his kids around, so I kind of took over the scout stuff. He did agree to pick up DS from the homecoming dance last Friday, but I got like 4 calls from my son and the school because he wasn't showing up or answering his phone at 11pm. Apparently while I was stressing about our son going to his first dance, he fell asleep and couldn't be woken. Just as I was about to drag the sleeping kid to the van he picked up. I've got as much sympathy for him as I do my ex, who was also closer to done than starting with our oldest when he had another one. I think that one's 5 now and DS is 19. Good luck with figuring it out. But I vote with Gira here, get a sitter! One that can drive themselves!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 14:50:12 GMT -5
He used to help more, but now he's worse off than me. He's 52 with a one and three year old and his wife recently started working evenings, so as soon as he gets off work he has full time child care for two really little ones until 9 or 10. He's a scout leader and used to go to all the meetings and help out with some of that stuff, but he doesn't do that anymore. He probably only made it to a handful of meetings last year and spent most of the time chasing his kids around, so I kind of took over the scout stuff. He did agree to pick up DS from the homecoming dance last Friday, but I got like 4 calls from my son and the school because he wasn't showing up or answering his phone at 11pm. Apparently while I was stressing about our son going to his first dance, he fell asleep and couldn't be woken. Just as I was about to drag the sleeping kid to the van he picked up. I've got as much sympathy for him as I do my ex, who was also closer to done than starting with our oldest when he had another one. I think that one's 5 now and DS is 19. Good luck with figuring it out. But I vote with Gira here, get a sitter! One that can drive themselves! No, I don't have much sympathy either. Plus he's moving from his super convenient house with almost no yard, literally 2 blocks from where we both work that DS could bike to from school to a place farther out with lots of land and buildings so I foresee his involvement dropping even more.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 22, 2016 14:59:30 GMT -5
I've got as much sympathy for him as I do my ex, who was also closer to done than starting with our oldest when he had another one. I think that one's 5 now and DS is 19. Good luck with figuring it out. But I vote with Gira here, get a sitter! One that can drive themselves! No, I don't have much sympathy either. Plus he's moving from his super convenient house with almost no yard, literally 2 blocks from where we both work that DS could bike to from school to a place farther out with lots of land and buildings so I foresee his involvement dropping even more. Ugh. Why is he making himself more work to do? He's lost his mind hasn't he? Do you have a neighbor who wouldn't mind coming over and sitting with the youngest when you have to pick up at 8:30? Give them a beer and say you'll be right back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 15:07:19 GMT -5
No, I don't have much sympathy either. Plus he's moving from his super convenient house with almost no yard, literally 2 blocks from where we both work that DS could bike to from school to a place farther out with lots of land and buildings so I foresee his involvement dropping even more. Ugh. Why is he making himself more work to do? He's lost his mind hasn't he? Do you have a neighbor who wouldn't mind coming over and sitting with the youngest when you have to pick up at 8:30? Give them a beer and say you'll be right back. It would have to be several beers with my neighbors. A trip to town is 45 minutes minimum. That's not a one beer trip for them. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 15:15:29 GMT -5
I'm considering letting younger son's Dad take some or all of the Cub Scout duty. It makes me nervous handing over too much control to him though because of his history, but he is going to be at the meeting tonight and wants to do them.
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