The Democratic National convention is about to start!

[steff]

Jul 26, 2016 18:58:43 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I think Bernie held off saying it was uncontested and having a roll call was because many of his supporters have never been to a convention. He wanted them to see how it works. It went smoothly with no contested votes like the GOP mess.

This, plus I felt like it was giving his supporters their chance to have their voice, even tho they lost.  The RNC was too scared to allow a roll call & I think this was about making sure the DNC had it & let the Bernie supporters have their moment.  they have earned it. 

For most states that had gone for Bernie (other than a few), when they gave their little speeches before casting their delegate votes, they praised Bernie, but then would finish up with "the 1st female President Hillary Clinton..." Even in states where he got the most delegate votes.  States that went heavily Clinton also praised Bernie's efforts & were very respectful towards him.  So I felt this was all about giving them their moment, their voice, not silencing them like the RNC did to Cruz supporters.  Plus it showed that we can disagree, but still have unity.  We can compromise for the bigger picture. 

Maybe if the RNC had done this instead of being too scared to allow a roll call, Cruz might not have "Cruz'ed" them the way he did.  He could have tried to rally his supporters & delegates to Trump instead of flaming himself onstage. 

[tallguy]

Jul 26, 2016 19:08:22 GMT -5 steff said:

Jul 26, 2016 18:58:43 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I think Bernie held off saying it was uncontested and having a roll call was because many of his supporters have never been to a convention. He wanted them to see how it works. It went smoothly with no contested votes like the GOP mess.

This, plus I felt like it was giving his supporters their chance to have their voice, even tho they lost.  The RNC was too scared to allow a roll call & I think this was about making sure the DNC had it & let the Bernie supporters have their moment.  they have earned it. 

For most states that had gone for Bernie (other than a few), when they gave their little speeches before casting their delegate votes, they praised Bernie, but then would finish up with "the 1st female President Hillary Clinton..." Even in states where he got the most delegate votes.  States that went heavily Clinton also praised Bernie's efforts & were very respectful towards him.  So I felt this was all about giving them their moment, their voice, not silencing them like the RNC did to Cruz supporters.  Plus it showed that we can disagree, but still have unity.  We can compromise for the bigger picture. 

Maybe if the RNC had done this instead of being too scared to allow a roll call, Cruz might not have "Cruz'ed" them the way he did.  He could have tried to rally his supporters & delegates to Trump instead of flaming himself onstage. 

This sounds exactly like a Theodoric of York segment on SNL.  Now all we need is Steve Martin doing a big, "Naaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!"      

[Tennesseer]

Jul 26, 2016 16:37:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Eric Trump called it, and the DNC relents and puts the American flag on the stage... theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/26/facing-criticism-dnc-concedes-puts-u-s-flags-on-stage-for-day-2-of-convention/

Day one: not one single mention of terrorism. And just for DJ-- I'll source it using PolitiFact: www.politico.com/story/2016/07/did-democrats-mention-islamic-state-convention-226202

“Based on our searches of C-SPAN closed-captioning text, Congressional Quarterly transcripts and other video archiving services, we couldn’t find any speaker who mentioned 'ISIS,' 'Islamic' 'terror,' 'terrorist,' or 'terrorism' during the first day of the convention,” PolitiFact wrote.

Of course with the usual "yeah, but"-- but at least they admitted the claim was true.

Fox news confirmed there were American flags on stage during day one of the Democratic convention.

Capture the Flag

[steff]

Jul 26, 2016 20:15:10 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Jul 26, 2016 19:08:22 GMT -5 steff said:

This, plus I felt like it was giving his supporters their chance to have their voice, even tho they lost.  The RNC was too scared to allow a roll call & I think this was about making sure the DNC had it & let the Bernie supporters have their moment.  they have earned it. 

For most states that had gone for Bernie (other than a few), when they gave their little speeches before casting their delegate votes, they praised Bernie, but then would finish up with "the 1st female President Hillary Clinton..." Even in states where he got the most delegate votes.  States that went heavily Clinton also praised Bernie's efforts & were very respectful towards him.  So I felt this was all about giving them their moment, their voice, not silencing them like the RNC did to Cruz supporters.  Plus it showed that we can disagree, but still have unity.  We can compromise for the bigger picture. 

Maybe if the RNC had done this instead of being too scared to allow a roll call, Cruz might not have "Cruz'ed" them the way he did.  He could have tried to rally his supporters & delegates to Trump instead of flaming himself onstage. 

I didn't realize that the Republicans didn't call a roll call.... wow, oh just wow......  but, that is their business tho I guess.

Nope, they didn't allow it.  they called to suspend the procedure & did a voice vote.  That's what the big dust up on day 1 at the RNC was about.  Cruz supporters were losing their shit because they didn't do a roll call & did a quickie "the ayes have it" vote.   

IMO, it set the tone of "fuck you" to anyone who wasn't a die hard Trump supporter.  You didn't matter & they didn't care. 

[sesfw]

It's official! History has been made!

[steff]

Jul 26, 2016 20:25:07 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'm just enjoying the thought of all these people getting all excited about DNC staffers expressing their personal preference for Clinton like it is a horrible breach of democracy but ignoring a breach of democracy at their own convention last week. Oh Lawdy!

Admittedly, it's been yearssss since I watched a convention from day 1, much less watch the opposing convention (to be honest, I was watching for the shit show it was), but I was shocked that they were just going to suspend procedure on something that is such a huge part of a convention.  It's the delegates "moment".  They work for it, wait for it, have earned it, and *BOOM* not gonna do that little part this time.  Sorry, not sorry.  And it be the party that preaches to their choir nonstop about how the other side doesn't follow the rules, doesn't care about the little people, & will just do what they want if they get power?  Not enough face palms in the universe for that. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 26, 2016 16:37:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Eric Trump called it, and the DNC relents and puts the American flag on the stage... theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/26/facing-criticism-dnc-concedes-puts-u-s-flags-on-stage-for-day-2-of-convention/

...

At least they didn't disrespect it.

Sheri Auclair, a Donald Trump delegate from Wayzata, has an American flag shawl she wanted to show off when she got to Cleveland. blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2016/07/if-you-have-respect-for-the-american-flag-dont-watch-rnc-delegates/

[weltschmerz]

Jul 26, 2016 16:37:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Eric Trump called it, and the DNC relents and puts the American flag on the stage... theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/26/facing-criticism-dnc-concedes-puts-u-s-flags-on-stage-for-day-2-of-convention/

Day one: not one single mention of terrorism. And just for DJ-- I'll source it using PolitiFact: www.politico.com/story/2016/07/did-democrats-mention-islamic-state-convention-226202

“Based on our searches of C-SPAN closed-captioning text, Congressional Quarterly transcripts and other video archiving services, we couldn’t find any speaker who mentioned 'ISIS,' 'Islamic' 'terror,' 'terrorist,' or 'terrorism' during the first day of the convention,” PolitiFact wrote.

Of course with the usual "yeah, but"-- but at least they admitted the claim was true.

They also didn't mention that America is going down the toilet, that it's a crime-ridden hellhole, that we should be terrified and that the nominee is the only one who can protect us from the boogeyman.

[Shooby]

Hillary "isn't afraid to say black lives matter".  But, I guess she is afraid to say blue lives matter.  Oh, and flags appeared!  lol

[Shooby]

Oh, don't talk about Isis.  Dont' talk about the National Debt that you and Obama have racked up.  Don't talk about the weak, pathetic economy.  Don't talk about the citizens killed by illegals or the immigration problem.  Just parade some more celebrities to prance about and pretend not to see.  Good luck with that in Nov!

[Deleted]

Voted for Bernie here.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 27, 2016 6:44:14 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Oh, don't talk about Isis.  Dont' talk about the National Debt that you and Obama have racked up.  Don't talk about the weak, pathetic economy.  Don't talk about the citizens killed by illegals or the immigration problem.  Just parade some more celebrities to prance about and pretend not to see.  Good luck with that in Nov!

Isis is a goddess from thepolytheisticpantheon of Egypt. She was first worshiped in Ancient Egyptian religion, and later her worship spread throughout theRoman Empire and the greater Greco-Roman world. Isis is still widely worshiped by manypagans today in diverse religious contexts; including a number of distinctpagan religions, the modern Goddess movement, and interfaith organizations such as the Fellowship of Isis.Isis was worshipped as the ideal mother and wife as well as the patroness of nature and magic. She was the friend of slaves,sinners, artisans and the downtrodden, but she also listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.

Isis is often depicted as the mother of Horus, the falcon-headed deity associated with king and kingship (although in some traditions Horus's mother was Hathor). Isis is also known as protector of the dead and goddess of children.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis


Or did you mean the acronym ISIS.

[Shooby]

  Trump is a lightweight?  Oh ok, lol.  Obama is the King of Lightweights.  

[buystoys]

Jul 26, 2016 19:08:22 GMT -5 steff said:

Jul 26, 2016 18:58:43 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I think Bernie held off saying it was uncontested and having a roll call was because many of his supporters have never been to a convention. He wanted them to see how it works. It went smoothly with no contested votes like the GOP mess.

This, plus I felt like it was giving his supporters their chance to have their voice, even tho they lost.  The RNC was too scared to allow a roll call & I think this was about making sure the DNC had it & let the Bernie supporters have their moment.  they have earned it. 

For most states that had gone for Bernie (other than a few), when they gave their little speeches before casting their delegate votes, they praised Bernie, but then would finish up with "the 1st female President Hillary Clinton..." Even in states where he got the most delegate votes.  States that went heavily Clinton also praised Bernie's efforts & were very respectful towards him.  So I felt this was all about giving them their moment, their voice, not silencing them like the RNC did to Cruz supporters.  Plus it showed that we can disagree, but still have unity.  We can compromise for the bigger picture. 

Maybe if the RNC had done this instead of being too scared to allow a roll call, Cruz might not have "Cruz'ed" them the way he did.  He could have tried to rally his supporters & delegates to Trump instead of flaming himself onstage. 

Are you sure about there being no roll call?  I could swear I listened to hours of "the great state of X known for Y and home to Z casts their vote for _____" last week.....  And I think I remember that NY went out of order to be the ones who put Trump over the top for the nomination....

I do think Bernie showed much more class last night than his establishment detractors deserved.  DH thought Vermont wasn't going to cast their votes when they passed last night.  I couldn't stay awake for all of Bill's speech and unfortunately didn't hit the right button on the remote to record it. 

[Opti]

Jul 27, 2016 6:44:14 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Oh, don't talk about Isis.  Dont' talk about the National Debt that you and Obama have racked up.  Don't talk about the weak, pathetic economy.  Don't talk about the citizens killed by illegals or the immigration problem.  Just parade some more celebrities to prance about and pretend not to see.  Good luck with that in Nov!

Those are the issues *you* want to talk about. I don't know why you think that's what everyone wants to talk about or care about. Trump has his own focus, the Dems have theirs. How silly to think they need to be the same.

What would the point be? You won't change your vote if Hillary talked about those issues to your satisfaction.

[movingforward]

Jul 27, 2016 8:56:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 27, 2016 6:44:14 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Oh, don't talk about Isis.  Dont' talk about the National Debt that you and Obama have racked up.  Don't talk about the weak, pathetic economy.  Don't talk about the citizens killed by illegals or the immigration problem.  Just parade some more celebrities to prance about and pretend not to see.  Good luck with that in Nov!

Those are the issues *you* want to talk about. I don't know why you think that's what everyone wants to talk about or care about. Trump has his own focus, the Dems have theirs. How silly to think they need to be the same.

What would the point be? You won't change your vote if Hillary talked about those issues to your satisfaction.

It wouldn't matter what issues they discussed she hears what she wants to hear, just like her interpretation of Michelle Obama's speech.  Seriously, why even bother...

[Shooby]

Back at ya!

[Shooby]

Yeah keep pretending Isis is the JV team.

[happyhoix]

Jul 27, 2016 9:41:28 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Yeah keep pretending Isis is the JV team.

I'm worried that Trump thinks his good buddy Putin is playing on our team.

ISIS isn't the only group who wants to see the US burned to the ground. It's just one of many. Trump doesn't seem to get that, trying to get all warm and fuzzy with Putin and Kim Young when he should be worrying about them pointing nuclear weapons at us. Apparently Trump thinks all he has to do is nuke ISIS and we'll be winning again.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 26, 2016 23:14:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 26, 2016 16:37:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Eric Trump called it, and the DNC relents and puts the American flag on the stage... theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/26/facing-criticism-dnc-concedes-puts-u-s-flags-on-stage-for-day-2-of-convention/

Day one: not one single mention of terrorism. And just for DJ-- I'll source it using PolitiFact: www.politico.com/story/2016/07/did-democrats-mention-islamic-state-convention-226202

“Based on our searches of C-SPAN closed-captioning text, Congressional Quarterly transcripts and other video archiving services, we couldn’t find any speaker who mentioned 'ISIS,' 'Islamic' 'terror,' 'terrorist,' or 'terrorism' during the first day of the convention,” PolitiFact wrote.

Of course with the usual "yeah, but"-- but at least they admitted the claim was true.

They also didn't mention that America is going down the toilet, that it's a crime-ridden hellhole, that we should be terrified and that the nominee is the only one who can protect us from the boogeyman.

America is already great now that Barack has "fundamentally transformed" it. Yeah, yeah- we know. 3,500 dead people in Chicago didn't get the memo.

[Opti]

Jul 27, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 26, 2016 23:14:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

They also didn't mention that America is going down the toilet, that it's a crime-ridden hellhole, that we should be terrified and that the nominee is the only one who can protect us from the boogeyman.

America is already great now that Barack has "fundamentally transformed" it. Yeah, yeah- we know. 3,500 dead people in Chicago didn't get the memo.

I shouldn't ask where the 3500 number came from, but for people who actually like facts instead of flat our conjecture and exaggeration here's a URL with a nice graph. Overall the trend is down although I notice there were spikes upward in 2008 and 2012 as well as the current election year which is not yet over.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Honestly I don't get the fixation some people have with Chicago and Obama. He got elected President of the US not mayor of Chicago.

ETA: Oh wait, I kind of do get it. Some folks claim to be into facts and the truth yet really prefer emotional blaming and shaming. Pfft that crime level in cities or even states are not the responsibility of the President.  <--- cause the RW base eats this crap up. Stupid voters are some of our best customers.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 27, 2016 8:49:01 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Jul 26, 2016 19:08:22 GMT -5 steff said:

This, plus I felt like it was giving his supporters their chance to have their voice, even tho they lost.  The RNC was too scared to allow a roll call & I think this was about making sure the DNC had it & let the Bernie supporters have their moment.  they have earned it. 

For most states that had gone for Bernie (other than a few), when they gave their little speeches before casting their delegate votes, they praised Bernie, but then would finish up with "the 1st female President Hillary Clinton..." Even in states where he got the most delegate votes.  States that went heavily Clinton also praised Bernie's efforts & were very respectful towards him.  So I felt this was all about giving them their moment, their voice, not silencing them like the RNC did to Cruz supporters.  Plus it showed that we can disagree, but still have unity.  We can compromise for the bigger picture. 

Maybe if the RNC had done this instead of being too scared to allow a roll call, Cruz might not have "Cruz'ed" them the way he did.  He could have tried to rally his supporters & delegates to Trump instead of flaming himself onstage. 

Are you sure about there being no roll call?  I could swear I listened to hours of "the great state of X known for Y and home to Z casts their vote for _____" last week.....  And I think I remember that NY went out of order to be the ones who put Trump over the top for the nomination....

I do think Bernie showed much more class last night than his establishment detractors deserved.  DH thought Vermont wasn't going to cast their votes when they passed last night.  I couldn't stay awake for all of Bill's speech and unfortunately didn't hit the right button on the remote to record it. 

The #NeverTrumpers led by Ken Cuccinelli (whom we discovered later begged the DNC for cash to fund his "floor fight") wanted to "free the delegates" to thwart the will of 14 million voters and then have a delegate by delegate (individual person) roll call vote to "shame" those sleazy delegates who would dare to stick by the rules in place when the primary began instead of moving the goal posts at the convention.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 27, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 27, 2016 9:41:28 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Yeah keep pretending Isis is the JV team.

I'm worried that Trump thinks his good buddy Putin is playing on our team.

ISIS isn't the only group who wants to see the US burned to the ground. It's just one of many. Trump doesn't seem to get that, trying to get all warm and fuzzy with Putin and Kim Young when he should be worrying about them pointing nuclear weapons at us. Apparently Trump thinks all he has to do is nuke ISIS and we'll be winning again.

Russia just wants to keep their mideast client states- namely, Syria, for the oil. The US wants them all-- and Russia will be damned if we do, so the question is: how much is the US willing to risk for economic hegemony?

[movingforward]

Jul 27, 2016 10:29:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

America is already great now that Barack has "fundamentally transformed" it. Yeah, yeah- we know. 3,500 dead people in Chicago didn't get the memo.

I shouldn't ask where the 3500 number came from, but for people who actually like facts instead of flat our conjecture and exaggeration here's a URL with a nice graph. Overall the trend is down although I notice there were spikes upward in 2008 and 2012 as well as the current election year which is not yet over.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Honestly I don't get the fixation some people have with Chicago and Obama. He got elected President of the US not mayor of Chicago.

You mean you didn't get the memo?  It is Obama's fault that the sun isn't shining where I live today, that there is no yogurt in the fridge and that none of the strawberries in the grocery store looked good last night.  Get with it woman...  Don't you know that every single thing that happens or doesn't happen in the entire world is because of Obama.

[buystoys]

Jul 27, 2016 10:36:56 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 27, 2016 8:49:01 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Are you sure about there being no roll call?  I could swear I listened to hours of "the great state of X known for Y and home to Z casts their vote for _____" last week.....  And I think I remember that NY went out of order to be the ones who put Trump over the top for the nomination....

I do think Bernie showed much more class last night than his establishment detractors deserved.  DH thought Vermont wasn't going to cast their votes when they passed last night.  I couldn't stay awake for all of Bill's speech and unfortunately didn't hit the right button on the remote to record it. 

The #NeverTrumpers led by Ken Cuccinelli (whom we discovered later begged the DNC for cash to fund his "floor fight") wanted to "free the delegates" to thwart the will of 14 million voters and then have a delegate by delegate (individual person) roll call vote to "shame" those sleazy delegates who would dare to stick by the rules in place when the primary began instead of moving the goal posts at the convention.

Thanks Paul!  Was the DNC roll call last night person by person?  I thought it was by state just like the RNC?

I admit to not really listening to a lot of what's on as it just goes on and on and on and on.....    DH will pause the action if something good happens and then let me know I need to watch.

[Opti]

Jul 27, 2016 10:40:22 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:29:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

I shouldn't ask where the 3500 number came from, but for people who actually like facts instead of flat our conjecture and exaggeration here's a URL with a nice graph. Overall the trend is down although I notice there were spikes upward in 2008 and 2012 as well as the current election year which is not yet over.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Honestly I don't get the fixation some people have with Chicago and Obama. He got elected President of the US not mayor of Chicago.

You mean you didn't get the memo?  It is Obama's fault that the sun isn't shining where I live today, that there is no yogurt in the fridge and that none of the strawberries in the grocery store looked good last night.  Get with it woman...  Don't you know that every single thing that happens or doesn't happen in the entire world is because of Obama.

I had to shred the memo. First I was confused as to how I was to blame both Obama and the devil for everything, until I read ahead and saw Obama was the anti-Christ. But then I read the section on personal responsibility and was unable to reconcile I was supposed to buy my own yogurt yet blame Obama if I didn't. It seemed overkill to blame Obama, the devil, and myself for the lack of one cup of yogurt.

So I recycled the memo and blamed my non-existent husband instead.   (I'm on a dangerous path to the right my friend! )

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 27, 2016 10:29:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

America is already great now that Barack has "fundamentally transformed" it. Yeah, yeah- we know. 3,500 dead people in Chicago didn't get the memo.

I shouldn't ask where the 3500 number came from, but for people who actually like facts instead of flat our conjecture and exaggeration here's a URL with a nice graph. Overall the trend is down although I notice there were spikes upward in 2008 and 2012 as well as the current election year which is not yet over.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Honestly I don't get the fixation some people have with Chicago and Obama. He got elected President of the US not mayor of Chicago.

ETA: Oh wait, I kind of do get it. Some folks claim to be into facts and the truth yet really prefer emotional blaming and shaming. Pfft that crime level in cities or even states are not the responsibility of the President.  <--- cause the RW base eats this crap up. Stupid voters are some of our best customers.

I'm not sure where the 3,500 number comes from, but I've seen it before. It may be "total dead and wounded" in Chicago thus far in 2016.

From Wiki:

2016 began as the bloodiest initial quarter of a year in Chicago in decades. More than 100 people were shot just within the first 10 days of the year. [42] By the end of March, the murder rate in Chicago had soared 72% compared to the same time frame in 2015, leaving 141 people murdered. Shooting victims that managed to survive their injuries also saw a sharp increase of 88 percent compared to 2015, leaving 800 people with gunshot wounds. [43] ...

By April 20 of 2016, Chicago had recorded 1000 shootings. By May of 2016, Chicago had reached 1500 shootings. [49] In early July of 2016, Chicago had surpassed 2000 shooting victims. [50]

Hence halfway through July, Chicago is looking at 2,000 shooting victims. Add to that victims of other violent attacks, it may be where 3,500 comes from. It could also be a projection for the total number of shooting casualties by the end of 2016, since if the latter half of the year is as bad as the first half of the year shooting-wise, the total casualties could number over 4,000.

Why is Chicago such a big deal to Republicans?

If I had to guess: i) it's Pres. Obama's home turf, ii) it's been Democrat-controlled for decades, iii) it's subject to the strictest gun laws in the US, iv) it's the biggest city in Illinois, which is arguably the most financially mismanaged state in the US, v) Chicago and Illinois are collapsing economically and losing population at a significant rate, vi) it's an early indicator of what will happen to all major US cities when the gravy train runs out and the can can't be kicked any further down the road. In other words, it's the other side of the "we can afford to spend a little more to..." argument.

[Opti]

Jul 27, 2016 10:57:20 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:29:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

I shouldn't ask where the 3500 number came from, but for people who actually like facts instead of flat our conjecture and exaggeration here's a URL with a nice graph. Overall the trend is down although I notice there were spikes upward in 2008 and 2012 as well as the current election year which is not yet over.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Honestly I don't get the fixation some people have with Chicago and Obama. He got elected President of the US not mayor of Chicago.

ETA: Oh wait, I kind of do get it. Some folks claim to be into facts and the truth yet really prefer emotional blaming and shaming. Pfft that crime level in cities or even states are not the responsibility of the President.  <--- cause the RW base eats this crap up. Stupid voters are some of our best customers.

I'm not sure where the 3,500 number comes from, but I've seen it before. It may be "total dead and wounded" in Chicago thus far in 2016.

From Wiki:

2016 began as the bloodiest initial quarter of a year in Chicago in decades. More than 100 people were shot just within the first 10 days of the year. [42] By the end of March, the murder rate in Chicago had soared 72% compared to the same time frame in 2015, leaving 141 people murdered. Shooting victims that managed to survive their injuries also saw a sharp increase of 88 percent compared to 2015, leaving 800 people with gunshot wounds. [43] ...

By April 20 of 2016, Chicago had recorded 1000 shootings. By May of 2016, Chicago had reached 1500 shootings. [49] In early July of 2016, Chicago had surpassed 2000 shooting victims. [50]

Hence halfway through July, Chicago is looking at 2,000 shooting victims. Add to that victims of other violent attacks, it may be where 3,500 comes from. It could also be a projection for the total number of shooting casualties by the end of 2016, since if the latter half of the year is as bad as the first half of the year shooting-wise, the total casualties could number over 4,000.

Why is Chicago such a big deal to Republicans?

If I had to guess: i) it's Pres. Obama's home turf, ii) it's been Democrat-controlled for decades, iii) it's subject to the strictest gun laws in the US, iv) it's the biggest city in Illinois, which is arguably the most financially mismanaged state in the US, v) Chicago and Illinois are collapsing economically and losing population at a significant rate, vi) it's an early indicator of what will happen to all major US cities when the gravy train runs out and the can can't be kicked any further down the road. In other words, it's the other side of the "we can afford to spend a little more to..." argument.

Its important because they feel it proves a point even though their logic is unsound and they link things together that make no sense.

3500 since its a total of *dead* people might be the total of homicides over 8 years, Obama's Presidency. But its as irrelevant and stupid as totaling up Texas dead people when the Bushes were in office, etc. Chicago doesn't have the strictest gun laws in the country, that's just made up shit. I forget who is at the top, but is not Illinois. I think NJ ranks as more strict and we do have less shooting deaths than states where guns laws are more lax. Republicans don't want to acknowledge Tennessee and Memphis because it hurts the fantasy narrative. Parts of Chicago have always had issues just like Baltimore, New Orleans, Memphis, etc. Pretending lax or strict gun laws will change that by itself is massive fantasy wishful thinking.

Yes we all know some Republicans will go to great lengths to make stupid logic chains like shooting deaths in Democrat controlled Chicago somehow have any connection to Obama's influence.

Its still stupid. Its still illogical. Its emotional drama thinking. Obama was a state senator, to my recollection he was never in Chicago city government ever. Current gun deaths in Memphis looked at per capita (2016 to date) equal total homicides per capita in Chicago for 2014. The gun, murder, etc. issue is rarely looked at with realistic eyes on either side. Its a shame, but maybe the rhetoric will die down when Obama leaves office.

www.commercialappeal.com/news/crime/Memphis-Homicide-Tracker-379656401.html

www.google.com/search?q=memphis+population

[djAdvocate]

Jul 27, 2016 10:36:56 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 27, 2016 8:49:01 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Are you sure about there being no roll call?  I could swear I listened to hours of "the great state of X known for Y and home to Z casts their vote for _____" last week.....  And I think I remember that NY went out of order to be the ones who put Trump over the top for the nomination....

I do think Bernie showed much more class last night than his establishment detractors deserved.  DH thought Vermont wasn't going to cast their votes when they passed last night.  I couldn't stay awake for all of Bill's speech and unfortunately didn't hit the right button on the remote to record it. 

The #NeverTrumpers led by Ken Cuccinelli (whom we discovered later begged the DNC for cash to fund his "floor fight") wanted to "free the delegates" to thwart the will of 14 million voters and then have a delegate by delegate (individual person) roll call vote to "shame" those sleazy delegates who would dare to stick by the rules in place when the primary began instead of moving the goal posts at the convention.

Cooch is one of yours, Paul.  he is a socially conservative Republican.  i would think you would be behind him 100%

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 27, 2016 11:24:23 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:57:20 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I'm not sure where the 3,500 number comes from, but I've seen it before. It may be "total dead and wounded" in Chicago thus far in 2016.

From Wiki:

2016 began as the bloodiest initial quarter of a year in Chicago in decades. More than 100 people were shot just within the first 10 days of the year. [42] By the end of March, the murder rate in Chicago had soared 72% compared to the same time frame in 2015, leaving 141 people murdered. Shooting victims that managed to survive their injuries also saw a sharp increase of 88 percent compared to 2015, leaving 800 people with gunshot wounds. [43] ...

By April 20 of 2016, Chicago had recorded 1000 shootings. By May of 2016, Chicago had reached 1500 shootings. [49] In early July of 2016, Chicago had surpassed 2000 shooting victims. [50]

Hence halfway through July, Chicago is looking at 2,000 shooting victims. Add to that victims of other violent attacks, it may be where 3,500 comes from. It could also be a projection for the total number of shooting casualties by the end of 2016, since if the latter half of the year is as bad as the first half of the year shooting-wise, the total casualties could number over 4,000.

Why is Chicago such a big deal to Republicans?

If I had to guess: i) it's Pres. Obama's home turf, ii) it's been Democrat-controlled for decades, iii) it's subject to the strictest gun laws in the US, iv) it's the biggest city in Illinois, which is arguably the most financially mismanaged state in the US, v) Chicago and Illinois are collapsing economically and losing population at a significant rate, vi) it's an early indicator of what will happen to all major US cities when the gravy train runs out and the can can't be kicked any further down the road. In other words, it's the other side of the "we can afford to spend a little more to..." argument.

Its important because they feel it proves a point even though their logic is unsound and they link things together that make no sense.

3500 since its a total of *dead* people might be the total of homicides over 8 years, Obama's Presidency. But its as irrelevant and stupid as totaling up Texas dead people when the Bushes were in office, etc. Chicago doesn't have the strictest gun laws in the country, that's just made up shit. I forget who is at the top, but is not Illinois.

Chicago isn't Illinois. I believe Illinois ranks about 8th strictest, but Chicago implements restrictions over and above state restrictions. Generally speaking, Chicago, New York, and LA are considered the strictest cities in America gun-control-wise.

I think NJ ranks as more strict and we do have less shooting deaths than states where guns laws are more lax. Republicans don't want to acknowledge Tennessee and Memphis because it hurts the fantasy narrative. Parts of Chicago have always had issues just like Baltimore, New Orleans, Memphis, etc. Pretending lax or strict gun laws will change that by itself is massive fantasy wishful thinking.

I don't know exactly what the "fantasy narrative" is, but I've always considered the anti-gun-control narrative to be "Strict gun control laws don't prevent homicides." And for laws implemented on the scale of cities and states, Chicago is one of the most striking examples in their favour.

Yes we all know some Republicans will go to great lengths to make stupid logic chains like shooting deaths in Democrat controlled Chicago somehow have any connection to Obama's influence.

Its still stupid. Its still illogical. Its emotional drama thinking. Obama was a state senator, to my recollection he was never in Chicago city government ever. Current gun deaths in Memphis looked at per capita (2016 to date) equal total homicides per capita in Chicago for 2014. The gun, murder, etc. issue is rarely looked at with realistic eyes on either side. Its a shame, but maybe the rhetoric will die down when Obama leaves office.

I don't know who "some Republicans" are, hence I can't comment on their exact beliefs, but I'd wager what most gun-control opponents, including Republicans, wish to discredit in Americans' minds are Pres. Obama's positions and policies. Specifically, there are tight correlations between Pres. Obama's views and those of the Chicago city government, both during Pres. Obama's tenure and in the years leading up to it. A critic doesn't have to blame Pres. Obama specifically for the sorry state of Chicago in order to blame his ideology for it. Sometimes the two are used interchangeably if the man is believed to wholly embody the ideology being criticized.

www.commercialappeal.com/news/crime/Memphis-Homicide-Tracker-379656401.html

www.google.com/search?q=memphis+population

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