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Post by movingforward on Jun 23, 2016 12:59:19 GMT -5
I am going through a tough time right now.
My job does not provide health insurance so I buy my own. It pays good and has a good retirement plan, but no health or disability insurance.
I am actively looking for a new job, but not having any luck. I live in a rural area so there are not a lot of opportunities either.
I do realize I might have to consider relocating in the next few years. I don't want to. I like this area, my house is paid for, but I might have to for financial reasons.
I am very sorry you are having such a tough time. That truly sucks. A fresh start in a new location might not be the worst thing though. It could end up being a good move for you.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2016 12:59:37 GMT -5
I'm independent to a fault, often times people don't know I am in trouble until I collapse under the weight of whatever I am trying to carry. That's not a trait to be proud of. That's not something I want my spouse to encourage me to be. My spouse is supposed to be the one who steps up to help me carry the burden when it becomes too much. For better or worse, in sickness and in health" is part of your marriage vows. If you can only count on him for the "health and better" part then why get married at all? I am not getting married.
It's just a ring. I have no desire to marry anyone ever. To me, marriage is just a piece of paper.
Okay let me rephrase that then. Why waste seven years of your life on someone who can't count on being there for you if times get tough? If you are going to be expected to handle all your burdens alone why keep him around?
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Post by midjd on Jun 23, 2016 13:00:05 GMT -5
I am fortunate to have a great support system. I wish I could lend it out to people who don't have one, because I would almost rather die than ask for help (except maybe from DH). It's just how I'm wired. If there's something to be done about a problem, I'll find a way to do it myself (especially now that "throw money at it" is sometimes an option); if there's nothing to be done, no use in worrying anyone by telling them, right? At least that's my thought process. My mom got really upset with me a few weeks ago when she found out that I hadn't told her about a medical issue I went through when I was pregnant with my daughter. From my perspective, there was no reason to mention anything because it would just worry her and I was being carefully monitored by my doctors. She saw it as me purposely excluding her in my time of need. But I didn't need anything!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2016 13:02:45 GMT -5
My mom got really upset with me a few weeks ago when she found out that I hadn't told her about a medical issue I went through when I was pregnant with my daughter. From my perspective, there was no reason to mention anything because it would just worry her and I was being carefully monitored by my doctors. She saw it as me purposely excluding her in my time of need.
My parents got pissed at me when I was 35 weeks pregnant with Gwen and went to the hospital for what ended up being BH. I was stuck there for four hours before they let me go home. We didn't think to call because it ended up being nothing. My parents were worried when our car did not return home for several hours and there was no phone call. They figured out where I must have been but would have liked confirmation. Whoops.
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Post by Jaguar on Jun 23, 2016 13:04:16 GMT -5
I have a really good friend who is there for me emotionally. My siblings are not the best cause they live far away, but my niece's and nephews are right here helping me.
There's such an age difference between myself and my next two siblings, that their kids are around my age. I grew up with my niece's and nephews.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 13:11:40 GMT -5
I am not getting married.
It's just a ring. I have no desire to marry anyone ever. To me, marriage is just a piece of paper.
Okay let me rephrase that then. Why waste seven years of your life on someone who can't count on being there for you if times get tough? If you are going to be expected to handle all your burdens alone why keep him around? I guess because I have never been with anyone that was willing or able to help me. ?
Maybe it's me.
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Post by midjd on Jun 23, 2016 13:26:07 GMT -5
Dumb question, but do you ask for help? I know how hard it is for me to do, but the few times I (very reluctantly) have, I've been pleasantly surprised at how many people step up. I think a lot of times, people are unsure how to help, especially if the person who needs it isn't someone who is inclined to ask.
You can't choose your family, but I'd be loath to keep anyone around as a friend or companion if I truly believed they would refuse to help me if/when I needed it. It's one thing not to want help or not to accept help when offered, but I'd rather be alone than with someone who I knew would go running as soon as the shit hit the fan (or worse, sit there asking "so what are you gonna do about all this shit?")
I hope that if things went south your fiance would step up, even if he doesn't seem supportive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 13:34:32 GMT -5
Dumb question, but do you ask for help? I know how hard it is for me to do, but the few times I (very reluctantly) have, I've been pleasantly surprised at how many people step up. I think a lot of times, people are unsure how to help, especially if the person who needs it isn't someone who is inclined to ask. You can't choose your family, but I'd be loath to keep anyone around as a friend or companion if I truly believed they would refuse to help me if/when I needed it. It's one thing not to want help or not to accept help when offered, but I'd rather be alone than with someone who I knew would go running as soon as the shit hit the fan (or worse, sit there asking "so what are you gonna do about all this shit?") I hope that if things went south your fiance would step up, even if he doesn't seem supportive. Fortunately, I have not had to ask for help.
I am in a position now where I may need to if something bad happens. That is IF something bad happens. I try not to think about it.
FYI - I am going to be gone the rest of the day. TTYL
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Post by giramomma on Jun 23, 2016 13:39:56 GMT -5
I am going through a tough time right now.
My job does not provide health insurance so I buy my own. It pays good and has a good retirement plan, but no health or disability insurance.
I am actively looking for a new job, but not having any luck. I live in a rural area so there are not a lot of opportunities either.
I do realize I might have to consider relocating in the next few years. I don't want to. I like this area, my house is paid for, but I might have to for financial reasons.
I'm sorry. We wrestle with these decisions, too. It is hard. If we stay in town, DH likely will never find full time employment in his field. Generally, 1-3 full time positions open up a year in a city of 200K. The last one he just applied for had 100 applicants. That said, we don't want to move. We love where we are, and overall it's a good place to be. Plus, our support system is here.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 23, 2016 16:27:01 GMT -5
My mom got really upset with me a few weeks ago when she found out that I hadn't told her about a medical issue I went through when I was pregnant with my daughter. From my perspective, there was no reason to mention anything because it would just worry her and I was being carefully monitored by my doctors. She saw it as me purposely excluding her in my time of need.
My parents got pissed at me when I was 35 weeks pregnant with Gwen and went to the hospital for what ended up being BH. I was stuck there for four hours before they let me go home. We didn't think to call because it ended up being nothing. My parents were worried when our car did not return home for several hours and there was no phone call. They figured out where I must have been but would have liked confirmation. Whoops. I tried to avoid telling my mom anything negative going on in my life because she tended to make a mountain out of every mole hill and then call up all our friends, neighbors and relatives to let them know about this fresh disaster.
For instance, I told her once I accidentally bounced a check in college due to not balancing my check book (not because I was broke) and she told everyone in the family I was penniless and couldn't manage money and would be poor my whole life. (Mom did this because she liked the attention she got from everyone if one of her kids was in a crisis, so she imagined crisis's for us all on a weekly basis. I knew some of her friends had kids with REAL problems, like drug addictions, unmarried teen pregnancies, etc, and I used to imagine how they wanted to smack her in the mouth when she went on about how I was destitute and practically homeless because I bounced a check.)
I did occasionally get yelled at for not telling her things in a prompt manner, but I always waited to see if they would just go away before I said anything, so as not to get her all stirred up unnecessarily.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jun 23, 2016 17:01:23 GMT -5
Along with asking yourself why you would stay with someone who would not be there for you in times of need, you should take some time to truly consider the reverse: do you want to be there for him if he needed help (especially when you know he won't be there for you)??
It's not my place -- a creepy internet stranger -- to tell you what to do. But, if I was in your shoes, I'd move on from him, end the engagement, and start a new path in life. True, you would then be alone, but from what you posted, aren't you already alone? How could dumping someone who has so little care for you be any worse? I think it could very much improve things for you -- maybe there are opportunities out there for you for meaningful relationships once you've untangled yourself from this one.
Just a thought...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2016 17:07:30 GMT -5
My mom got really upset with me a few weeks ago when she found out that I hadn't told her about a medical issue I went through when I was pregnant with my daughter. From my perspective, there was no reason to mention anything because it would just worry her and I was being carefully monitored by my doctors. She saw it as me purposely excluding her in my time of need.
My parents got pissed at me when I was 35 weeks pregnant with Gwen and went to the hospital for what ended up being BH. I was stuck there for four hours before they let me go home. We didn't think to call because it ended up being nothing. My parents were worried when our car did not return home for several hours and there was no phone call. They figured out where I must have been but would have liked confirmation. Whoops. I tried to avoid telling my mom anything negative going on in my life because she tended to make a mountain out of every mole hill and then call up all our friends, neighbors and relatives to let them know about this fresh disaster.
For instance, I told her once I accidentally bounced a check in college due to not balancing my check book (not because I was broke) and she told everyone in the family I was penniless and couldn't manage money and would be poor my whole life. (Mom did this because she liked the attention she got from everyone if one of her kids was in a crisis, so she imagined crisis's for us all on a weekly basis. I knew some of her friends had kids with REAL problems, like drug addictions, unmarried teen pregnancies, etc, and I used to imagine how they wanted to smack her in the mouth when she went on about how I was destitute and practically homeless because I bounced a check.)
I did occasionally get yelled at for not telling her things in a prompt manner, but I always waited to see if they would just go away before I said anything, so as not to get her all stirred up unnecessarily.
Are you my sister in law?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 17:31:35 GMT -5
Im still my Momma's "baby", so I have no doubt that she'd do anything for me that she could. Her only sibling, my Aunt, is like my other Momma, her daughter's are like my big sisters, and her husband knows how my family rolls, so we can all count on each other for support. My family and my ex's family were a HUGE help when I was raising my kids and working an odd schedule. I rarely talk to my brother, but if I call him and need something he can do, he's there. My sweetie is very supportive. He likes to try to take care of me and make my life easier however he can, I can depend on him for help if I need it. My BFF is my ride or die. We don't talk or hang out like we use to, but we're there for each other when it counts. I also have a couple more good friends that will and have been there for me. I've been feeling kind of pitiful today and typing this post reminded me that I have a lot to be grateful for, having people in my life that I know have and will be there for me if/when something happens or I'm just feeling blue, is a blessing. Thank you for reminding me of one of the great gifts I have in my life. I know you said you don't want this thread to be about your fiance, but I gotta tell you that if he wouldn't be there for you if you needed him, he's probably not worthy enough to be your life partner. What's the point in being together for so long if you don't have each other's back?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 23, 2016 18:18:44 GMT -5
I try to take care of myself. But no questions asked my family is there for me. Last November I drove myself from urgent care to the ER. They admitted me. I had to call my brother to pack my bag and come get my car. No questions asked. And he showed up every day after work with whatever I needed. My dad drove from six hours away to be there for my surgery and took me home to Grandma's for Thanksgiving when I was finally released.
I have some friends and coworkers I can count on as well. And some of my brother's friends are family and would help too. While I try not to be "needy" I don't know what I would have done in several situations without my support system.
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Post by obelisk on Jun 23, 2016 20:11:11 GMT -5
Nothing from direct family after an accident with broken bones and much later the birth of my child. My wife is the only person I can depend on. My wife is my rock. The family is within 1.5 hours away. As my parents are retired, I have learned not to bother them. My parents expect for me to take care of any issues on my own since the age of 15. This includes a lack of financial help/financial forms for any university forms to fill out. I graduated with an engineering degree in 1988 with no loans while working 35 hours a week on average. My parent will have to deal with their choices as my immediate family comes first.
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Post by msventoux on Jun 23, 2016 20:37:16 GMT -5
Sorry, you're having a crappy time. I was feeling the same a few months ago, but have pretty much ignored it since then. No, I don't have a support system. I'm independent to a fault and hold people at a distance. Probably not the best way to be, but I have my reasons and a drastic change is unlikely at this point in my life.
It slapped me up side the head when I realized I might have to stay overnight in the hospital for a procedure. Fortunately I didn't, but I realized I would probably have to hire someone to get me home and run errands for me and take care of the animals if it came to that. I have disability insurance that I pay for out of pocket (work doesn't offer any) and a large enough emergency fund that I can survive until the disability insurance kicks in. I'm hoping for the best, planning for the worst, and will do my best to get through whatever life tosses my way.
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Post by swamp on Jun 23, 2016 20:48:09 GMT -5
I almost have to say that too. It's not good that the fiancee isn't very supportive. :/ But you may see something in them that we do not. But when I hear unsupportive I just know when looking for a partner that was always something important to me. I am very independent. He wants an independent woman (learned the hard way).
Sometimes I would like to have someone to lean on. I don't think he wants anyone leaning on him.
Edited: I used to make more money than him. Every time I mentioned groceries or anything just in conversation, he would say "you make more money than I do!"
My DH likes independent women too. I really don't ask for much in the way of emotional support. However, when I do need him, he's there. Unconditionally.
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Post by bcdfgh on Jun 23, 2016 20:53:34 GMT -5
Are there other people like this? I'm in a similar situation. Although I'm financially independent, I don't family, relatives or close friends to lean on emotionally. I'm alone during Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays so those days are like any other days. For transportation use Uber if needed. I used it when my doc didn't let me drive due to medication for the procedure.
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Post by cronewitch on Jun 23, 2016 21:00:14 GMT -5
I have people who would make sure I am ok, they tell me to let them know. I almost broke up with my boyfriend after the WTO riots in Seattle. I broke a leg in 1995 and was a brat not bringing me coffee when I couldn't carry a cup so I spent 6 weeks standing in the kitchen to eat or drink coffee, not willing to ask for help again after a no. Then after the riots we went down town shopping all day and I got low blood sugar. I told him I was hungry because I didn't want to explain low blood sugar. He got mad at me and told me I should have eaten earlier then walked away and left me down town blocks from my truck. I had taken care of him with a broken pelvis and hand for months and he can't even listen to me when I tell him I need something. So I considered dumping him, don't need a man like that when get old in a couple of weeks he asked if we needed to talk so I told him what I thought. The next time he got the flu I brought him juice, tea, soup, tissues and when he recovered he finally understood, when you need someone they take care of you. I am not needy and don't ask much but when I have a need I need to know he would take care of me. This was 20 years ago, now when I told him I need a surgery and he lives 100 miles away he said let me know when and I will take you. He says he will take care of me even if I get cancer and if I can't afford my house I can live with him. My brother and his wife and kids and grand kids are local so if I was stranded they could come take me somewhere. Another niece would help me too. I don't plan on needing help and long term I would hire help not ask for volunteers but my brother and his wife say if I need help with getting to a doctor they want me to call them. I will never need financial help but I could count on my brother if I needed some.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 21:29:37 GMT -5
I try to take care of myself. But no questions asked my family is there for me. Last November I drove myself from urgent care to the ER. They admitted me. I had to call my brother to pack my bag and come get my car. No questions asked. And he showed up every day after work with whatever I needed. My dad drove from six hours away to be there for my surgery and took me home to Grandma's for Thanksgiving when I was finally released. I have some friends and coworkers I can count on as well. And some of my brother's friends are family and would help too. While I try not to be "needy" I don't know what I would have done in several situations without my support system. I would have slapped you and screamed why didn't you call me!?!?!?!?! If I like, or love, you, call me any time day or night and I will be there. Sounds like an old song but true. We found that out when I had a seizure and instead of calling 911, like most normal people do, DH called our neighbor. THEN he called 911. She came upstairs and then drove him to the hospital, all the way down the street, afterwards. She is a true blue friend and we are always there for each other. My sister, oth, would have bitched and moaned, much as she did when I told her about it after the fact. The drive up 128, at that time of night would have taken about 15 minutes, the way she drives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 21:32:17 GMT -5
Are there other people like this? I'm in a similar situation. Although I'm financially independent, I don't family, relatives or close friends to lean on emotionally. I'm alone during Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays so those days are like any other days. For transportation use Uber if needed. I used it when my doc didn't let me drive due to medication for the procedure. Not around here I'm not. Seems like every night on the news there is a new driver who is a sex offender who doesn't have a license or some such thing. Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick to calling DH's brothers and nephews.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 21:41:31 GMT -5
Are there other people like this? I'm in a similar situation. Although I'm financially independent, I don't family, relatives or close friends to lean on emotionally. I'm alone during Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays so those days are like any other days. For transportation use Uber if needed. I used it when my doc didn't let me drive due to medication for the procedure. Sooo, where do you live? I'm in MA and I don't work during the day. If you need a ride, let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 22:11:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry @patstab. I really am. Too bad we aren't closer. I'd be glad to do what I can.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jun 23, 2016 22:13:44 GMT -5
I can understand being independent and avoiding being vulnerable. But, there are times folks need some straightforward help -- not intrusion into one's life -- but practical help like rides and grocery shopping or picking up a prescription.
It seems to me that like-minded people who need that kind of occasional, reliable, casual help (without getting too personally involved) should be able to form an alliance and help each other out. Years ago, we belonged to a babysitting coop. One earned points sitting for other people's kids and could spend those points having other members of the club sit for your kids (small town, everyone knew everyone else). Why not band together with other singles or folks without support systems -- there appear to be a fair amount of such folks out there -- and form a similar type of exchange? It doesn't have to be complicated. Everyone doesn't have to become best friends. The goal is to find a group who, on occasion, has similar need for some support during an illness or after an injury. Heck, just among neighbors and work colleagues, one should be able to put a small group together who would commit to giving, and getting, such practical help.
Why go it alone just because family and friends suck? That's got to be a very stressful feeling. With a little effort and putting oneself out there just a little, one can create a support system for oneself despite, or perhaps, in spite of, callous family members.
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Post by msventoux on Jun 23, 2016 22:20:58 GMT -5
There's actually something called a TimeBank that looked like it would be a good idea. Unfortunately there's none active that are close to me. I don't know how well they work, but it's an interesting concept.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 0:49:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry @bluster. That is kind of scary I'm sure . People can surprise you though and when really needed pull through for you more than you think they can or will. Sometimes you have to ask for help which can also be scary I know. I do feel lucky to have a husband, a brother and at least two really good friends I can count on but all are supportive in different ways . My dad also and it's kind of strange because he seems really emotionally detached from pretty much everyone, doesn't offer much support to pretty much anyone, and yet I still know he would be there for whatever I needed or asked of him. I'm not quite sure how I know that but I do. I hope things get better for you and build yourself a little network if you can. If not family, then friends.
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Post by CCL on Jun 24, 2016 1:04:34 GMT -5
I'm independent to a fault, often times people don't know I am in trouble until I collapse under the weight of whatever I am trying to carry. That's not a trait to be proud of. That's not something I want my spouse to encourage me to be. My spouse is supposed to be the one who steps up to help me carry the burden when it becomes too much. For better or worse, in sickness and in health" is part of your marriage vows. If you can only count on him for the "health and better" part then why get married at all? I am not getting married.
It's just a ring. I have no desire to marry anyone ever. To me, marriage is just a piece of paper.
Then why do you have a fiance?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 24, 2016 1:25:04 GMT -5
The short answer is I thought I had the flu or something. I never ever thought they would admit me to the hospital. I could have come home from urgent care and got someone to take me to ER if I thought they were going to keep me. The landlord is usually around and would happily do it. He drove my brother to the hospital to pick my car up.
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Post by cronewitch on Jun 24, 2016 2:40:45 GMT -5
I like the idea of a loose network of people willing to lend a hand. My ISO has neighbors who buy egg his best neighbor moved away, he would watch the chickens so he could leave home overnight. So a couple of weeks ago my ISO accepted an request from another friend to go camping a few days. I told him to ask the women who home schools 4 kids and buys eggs to watch the chickens for free eggs, she said yes and asked about the cats so watched the chickens and cats for 3 nights for some free eggs. I hope if they need a little something they would ask, we did give them a free kitten. The elder man who owns the RV park got two free kittens and buys eggs. When we needed to lift something too heavy for us he came with his employee for 5 minutes and lets us use his boat ramp. When he cuts down trees he has his employee bring us the wood and limbs and we burn them for him. I do what I can for ISO but it is nice to know someone walking distance instead of me driving 100 miles. It works unless someone is a user so as long as they will ask a favor back occasionally we can ask. We need another camping trip this summer, the hens aren't laying a lot of eggs so we should offer her money to cat and chicken sitting, she likes cats and chickens. Maybe I can bake her some cookies or something to say thanks.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 24, 2016 8:08:23 GMT -5
I'm in a similar situation. Although I'm financially independent, I don't family, relatives or close friends to lean on emotionally. I'm alone during Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays so those days are like any other days. For transportation use Uber if needed. I used it when my doc didn't let me drive due to medication for the procedure. Not around here I'm not. Seems like every night on the news there is a new driver who is a sex offender who doesn't have a license or some such thing. Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick to calling DH's brothers and nephews. Yep. This is why my city voted them out. I figure if it is a really big emergency then I can call 911. The ambulance can come and take me to the hospital if necessary. I live alone but my BFF lives right up the street, and so do other friends I can depend on, but if I feel like I am having a heart attack or something 911 is going to be my first call anyway (if I can get to the phone).
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