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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 17:23:19 GMT -5
I hate anything that has to do with abuse of humans or animals or human rights... However I must say if girls weren't getting wasted so often - rape cases would be reduced by at least 50%.
And you can't 'tell' anything to the boys to not to rape. All know it is wrong. Men are having hearts and brains. Some just are not having enough hearts. Kind people will never do this out of simple decency. It is also applied to 'do not kill' and all 10 commandments. Some people just aren't decent people and whatever you 'tell' them, even threatened by death sentence is not going to work!
I think we need to tell our girls how to protect themselves from rape and other troubles and maybe teach them some self-protection and than some so they wouldn't fall prays to these heartless animals in human bodies.
LOL! You would think so, wouldn't you? but I'm getting beat up for thinking that way Being an old member here I would think you had learned how to enjoy the beating or ...which one up your alley?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 10, 2016 17:26:46 GMT -5
Honestly, we need to do a two-pronged attack on boys and girls: 1. Explain what consent is 2. Continue to teach and guide them regarding respect for other people's bodies and personal space 3. Teach them how to stay safe i have two daughters. WHile it is the aggressor's fault, i'm going to try my best to teach my girls to be safe.
if the stats are right and 15-25% of men would use force to get sex. and the average person goes out wwith 20 people, then they will each date 5 men who would be OK using a little force then I MUST do everything I can to help them be safe. I can't rely on every boy in the world being good
Which is all I've been trying to say but somehow I've become the villain in these threads! Im glad a few of us have some common sense, at least
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 10, 2016 17:27:12 GMT -5
I will. Hugging and kissing relatives is a part of life, even the creepy ones. There's a line, of course, but that falls well short of it. Touching and being touched without consent is a part of life, from childhood through to adulthood. Like most things, it's an issue of trust, context, and a firm sense of what is and isn't over the line. I can't fault you for drawing the line where you do, but I definitely don't draw it in the same place. There you have it people. It's all part of life! No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!!! BTW, if my husband ever touched me without me wanting him to - it would no longer be part of his life for a loooong time. But I guess as long as your wife is OK with it, then you are golden. From hugging relatives to forcible rape in one post. A new record!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 10, 2016 17:27:47 GMT -5
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Studies show 2-8 percent of rape accusations are false. That's in line with false accusations of any other crime. It's not like women are throwing around false rape accusations anymore than people are throwing around false theft accusations.
Is it bad when someone is falsely accused? Yes. Does it occur note with rape than other crimes? No.
All drunken sex is not consensual. Not consensual sex is rape.
I don't know how to quote in a quote so I copied and pasted Justme's post from earlier. In here she states "all drunken sex is not consensual. Not consensual sex is rape"....so, am I misreading that or did you miss it? Because if ALL drunken sex is not consensual and not consensual sex is rape...then anytime anyone on this board had drunken sex they were raped. I've had drunken sex...am I a rape victim and didn't know it?
Context people. He was going on and on about consensual drunken sex. I was saying not all drunk sex is consensual. I can see where you took that as what I meant. Differing of speech patterns places the not in different places as well as the context replying to. Not to mention my other posts that have explicitly mentioned instances where drunk sex is not rape. Thank you for the clarification because i did take it that all drunk sex was rape
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 17:28:40 GMT -5
If they've already started raping you won't be able to tell them anything as they are already a rapist with no moral compass and no conscience. I don't think you can teach those things at that stage in their life. Just like castration doesn't stop the behavior as they will just use something else. They should be in jail. And for way longer than 6 months! If it's a date rape situation and alcohol involved like billis's thread is about I'm not sure because whatever you say may not be on their minds at the time they are intoxicated and ready for "20 minutes of action" <<sarcasm>>. Bless sicko's dad's heart that he thinks his son could go that long even with an unconscious person who can't shove him off. Like I said it was the question asked in the silliest way...STOP raping? Like...'you had done it, son! Many times. Now stop. Please...' 'and btw stop killing those victims or you might get yourself in trouble.' ' ...'and don't ever rob them afterwards or you can be charged with numerous things and we will never see you again.'
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 10, 2016 17:31:50 GMT -5
There you have it people. It's all part of life! No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!!! BTW, if my husband ever touched me without me wanting him to - it would no longer be part of his life for a loooong time. But I guess as long as your wife is OK with it, then you are golden. From hugging relatives to forcible rape in one post. A new record! Yes! That's the only conclusion that can be drawn and that is exactly what I am saying.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 17:31:50 GMT -5
And against a persons will who either says no, is unconscious, or drugged is absolutely an issue that I do not think anybody is arguing here. The question is what about those who are consenting, are fully awake, but have also been drinking? Is it right for that to also be considered rape? Actually, you were arguing when and how she became unconscious. And how because she doesn't remember she consented because that's what he said. The question of this thread is how educate boys about rape in a way to keep it from happening. NO! The question it this thread was how to STOP boys raping. Like I said...enough, sonny. Please, STOP. You wouldn't have to STOP if you had not ever started! Same with drugs. Don't start. Period. Curious? So was that cat...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 10, 2016 17:34:19 GMT -5
Actually, you were arguing when and how she became unconscious. And how because she doesn't remember she consented because that's what he said. The question of this thread is how educate boys about rape in a way to keep it from happening. NO! The question it this thread was how to STOP boys raping. Like I said...enough, sonny. Please, STOP. You wouldn't have to STOP if you had not ever started! Same with drugs. Don't start. Period. Curious? So was that cat...
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 17:34:32 GMT -5
Studies show 2-8 percent of rape accusations are false. That's in line with false accusations of any other crime. It's not like women are throwing around false rape accusations anymore than people are throwing around false theft accusations. Is it bad when someone is falsely accused? Yes. Does it occur note with rape than other crimes? No. All drunken sex is not consensual. Not consensual sex is rape. Drunken sex has no way of telling who did what to whom and why. So if both parties were hammered - kiss and part. BTW I read that the woman wanted to have apology and SETTLEMENT! Anyone else got that? SETTLEMENT! This is when 'rapist' started with lawyers.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 17:39:31 GMT -5
NO! The question it this thread was how to STOP boys raping. Like I said...enough, sonny. Please, STOP. You wouldn't have to STOP if you had not ever started! Same with drugs. Don't start. Period. Curious? So was that cat...
[br This made me literally lol Right! Right?
My DH sometimes tells me that we had a good time last night and I do not recall even being there. So if I went to police station and filed for rape would they take my report? Well...where were you? In bed with my husband. So do you recall him having sex with you? NO! But he says it happened and I don't remember ANYTHING! Charge him with rape...please. I am feeling assaulted. Because if he was any good I would remember...I think.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 10, 2016 17:45:04 GMT -5
[br This made me literally lol Right! Right?
My DH sometimes tells me that we had a good time last night and I do not recall even being there. So if I went to police station and filed for rape would they take my report? Well...where were you? In bed with my husband. So do you recall him having sex with you? NO! But he says it happened and I don't remember ANYTHING! Charge him with rape...please. I am feeling assaulted. Because if he was any good I would remember...I think. Be warned that you're treating the issue with a smidgen too little sensitivity for the thread readership.
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Post by justme on Jun 10, 2016 17:45:47 GMT -5
Studies show 2-8 percent of rape accusations are false. That's in line with false accusations of any other crime. It's not like women are throwing around false rape accusations anymore than people are throwing around false theft accusations. Is it bad when someone is falsely accused? Yes. Does it occur note with rape than other crimes? No. All drunken sex is not consensual. Not consensual sex is rape. Drunken sex has no way of telling who did what to whom and why. So if both parties were hammered - kiss and part. BTW I read that the woman wanted to have apology and SETTLEMENT! Anyone else got that? SETTLEMENT! This is when 'rapist' started with lawyers.
There's no black and white with two people drinking. Sometimes they're both equally drunk. Sometimes one is drunk and one is only buzzed. There is definitely a point where one is impaired enough not to be able to give consent while still being conscious, and a problem arises when the other person is not in an equal state. As for the settlement, if it's true I don't begrudge her it. For one her medical bills probably are a rather large sum given the injuries she sustained. There's also the time off work for the trial and the time off work due to ptsd. People don't begrudge a person going to get a settlement after a person who ran a red light and hit them, a person who committed fraud against someone, a person who beat them to a pulp, this is no different.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 18:00:50 GMT -5
There you have it people. It's all part of life! No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!!! BTW, if my husband ever touched me without me wanting him to - it would no longer be part of his life for a loooong time. But I guess as long as your wife is OK with it, then you are golden. From hugging relatives to forcible rape in one post. A new record! Why are you saying "forcible rape"? It's rape.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 18:24:34 GMT -5
Right! Right?
My DH sometimes tells me that we had a good time last night and I do not recall even being there. So if I went to police station and filed for rape would they take my report? Well...where were you? In bed with my husband. So do you recall him having sex with you? NO! But he says it happened and I don't remember ANYTHING! Charge him with rape...please. I am feeling assaulted. Because if he was any good I would remember...I think. Be warned that you're treating the issue with a smidgen too little sensitivity for the thread readership. Is it a bad thing?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 10, 2016 18:36:47 GMT -5
From hugging relatives to forcible rape in one post. A new record! Why are you saying "forcible rape"? It's rape. Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 18:39:16 GMT -5
Why are you saying "forcible rape"? It's rape. Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 10, 2016 18:46:26 GMT -5
Be warned that you're treating the issue with a smidgen too little sensitivity for the thread readership. Is it a bad thing? It's neither good or bad. It just is. Of course, we're in a thread where at least two examples have come up where a woman doesn't resist unwanted sex because she's worried about hurting somebody's feelings. Maybe the world could use a few more people with hurt feelings.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 18:46:54 GMT -5
Why are you saying "forcible rape"? It's rape. Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Re: Lena's comment.... The problem is the thought process behind being forced to be touched by a relative. You are basically saying that the child's desire for physical space and comfort should come second to the feelings of an adult. Never mind that a mature adult should understand that kids are typically particular about who they let touch them - they generally only want people they know and trust touching them. If you force them to be touched by anyone, especially when they don't want it to occur, you are sending them the message that unwanted bodily contact is okay. And they may very well carry that message with them beyond childhood and into other encounters.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 18:48:19 GMT -5
It's neither good or bad. It just is. Of course, we're in a thread where at least two examples have come up where a woman doesn't resist unwanted sex because she's worried about hurting somebody's feelings. Maybe the world could use a few more people with hurt feelings. Like the relatives your kid doesn't want to hug.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 18:49:12 GMT -5
Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible? The one when one concent and then after filing report. I think.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 18:52:05 GMT -5
Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible? The one when one concent and then after filing report. I think. That's not any kind of rape.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 18:53:02 GMT -5
It's neither good or bad. It just is. Of course, we're in a thread where at least two examples have come up where a woman doesn't resist unwanted sex because she's worried about hurting somebody's feelings. Maybe the world could use a few more people with hurt feelings. So if it is not good nor bad why did you addressed it?
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 18:54:01 GMT -5
The one when one concent and then after filing report. I think. That's not any kind of rape. Tell this to the man who is it filed against
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 10, 2016 18:54:42 GMT -5
Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible? Any rape where force isn't a factor. The example Archie gives, for instance. Or a case where a girl gets high and welcomes the advances of a man who intends to exploit her impaired judgment.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 10, 2016 18:56:06 GMT -5
Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible? Any rape where force isn't a factor. The example Archie gives, for instance. Or a case where a girl gets high and welcomes the advances of a man who intends to exploit her impaired judgment. What? Whoever got it please explain
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Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Re: Lena's comment.... The problem is the thought process behind being forced to be touched by a relative. You are basically saying that the child's desire for physical space and comfort should come second to the feelings of an adult. Never mind that a mature adult should understand that kids are typically particular about who they let touch them - they generally only want people they know and trust touching them. If you force them to be touched by anyone, especially when they don't want it to occur, you are sending them the message that unwanted bodily contact is okay. And they may very well carry that message with them beyond childhood and into other encounters. I hope they do carry that message with them beyond childhood, since I don't consider all forms of all bodily contact, in all contexts, to be inappropriate without express consent. There are situations where the desire for space and comfort should come second to others' feelings. I fully intend to teach my kids what forms of contact, in which contexts, are appropriate and which ones are not. Where does courtesy end and self-preservation begin. Believe it or not, even teenagers have the mental capacity to exercise good judgment if one invests the time to teach them. It's neither good or bad. It just is. Of course, we're in a thread where at least two examples have come up where a woman doesn't resist unwanted sex because she's worried about hurting somebody's feelings. Maybe the world could use a few more people with hurt feelings. Like the relatives your kid doesn't want to hug. Relatives' feelings take precedence over kids' feelings in this situation. It's an expected courtesy in my world.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2016 19:13:22 GMT -5
Not all rape is forcible rape. That's the purpose of adjectives: to qualify a noun. As for why whoisjohngalt jumped from hugging relatives to "No wonder such high % of men said that they would force a woman to have sex. Part of life!" (i.e. forcible rape) in one post, you'll have to ask her. Aside from possibly statutory, what other rape isn't forcible? Virgil likes to role play in the bedroom? Too soon?
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Re: Lena's comment.... The problem is the thought process behind being forced to be touched by a relative. You are basically saying that the child's desire for physical space and comfort should come second to the feelings of an adult. Never mind that a mature adult should understand that kids are typically particular about who they let touch them - they generally only want people they know and trust touching them. If you force them to be touched by anyone, especially when they don't want it to occur, you are sending them the message that unwanted bodily contact is okay. And they may very well carry that message with them beyond childhood and into other encounters. I hope they do carry that message with them beyond childhood, since I don't consider all forms of all bodily contact, in all contexts, to be inappropriate without express consent. There are situations where the desire for space and comfort should come second to others' feelings. I fully intend to teach my kids what forms of contact, in which contexts, are appropriate and which ones are not. Where does courtesy end and self-preservation begin. Believe it or not, even teenagers have the mental capacity to exercise good judgment if one invests the time to teach them. Like the relatives your kid doesn't want to hug. Relatives' feelings take precedence over kids' feelings in this situation. It's an expected courtesy in my world. Why?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 10, 2016 19:20:14 GMT -5
The only reason to touch someone without their expressed or implied consent is in an emergency (giving CPR, rescuing someone, etc.).
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2016 19:27:55 GMT -5
The only reason to touch someone without their expressed or implied consent is in an emergency (giving CPR, rescuing someone, etc.). Since I'm much older than you I can tell you it's always been that way especially in the south to say "Go give Grandma or Grandpa some sugar or a kiss or hug". It was to teach the little one's to: 1. Learn who their relatives are and why they appeared in their lives 2. How to be affectionate (and not robotic cold people which many studies have shown that the young (animals too) who weren't touched or snuggled with at an early age grew up "weird" or cold and undemonstrative.) 3. It was only little pecks on the cheeks and little appropriate hugs under full supervision so the little one's knew it was ok. Not until about 6-10 years of age was "bad touch" taught. Not everybody had the internet or perverts in their lives and had such stringent rules about such things. Now people know better. But most people I know still practice hugging and kissing grandparents/aunts and uncles unless they are step or creepy - then parents lie and say they don't practice it.
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