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Post by tloonya on Apr 5, 2016 14:27:48 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. Your age please. I was like that until 26.
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Post by yogiii on Apr 5, 2016 14:28:30 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged.
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Post by steph08 on Apr 5, 2016 14:31:05 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged. On Easter, we were at my in-laws. I thought "Yes, I get to go to the bathroom alone without the kid watching me!"
Nope, their dog followed me and wouldn't leave. Sigh.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 14:32:52 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. Your age please. I was like that until 26. I just turned 43
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Post by tloonya on Apr 5, 2016 14:42:21 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged. What do you mean 'alone' time? You are a MOTHER! What alone time? I remember bringing her tot he kitchen while I was cooking so I would not HAVE alone time! She could play in play pen or crib in another room but I WANTED her with me. Plus when they are in school - there is alone time! Some instincts are getting weaker in women nowadays, maybe this is why there are so many men who are simply 'thought it would be different'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 14:47:21 GMT -5
Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged. What do you mean 'alone' time? You are a MOTHER! What alone time? I remember bringing her tot he kitchen while I was cooking so I would not HAVE alone time! She could play in play pen or crib in another room but I WANTED her with me. Plus when they are in school - there is alone time! Some instincts are getting weaker in women nowadays, maybe this is why there are so many men who are simply 'thought it would be different'
When my kids are in school I'm at work. Not exactly alone time. My only alone time is after they go to bed. We have early bedtimes.
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Post by yogiii on Apr 5, 2016 14:48:34 GMT -5
Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged. What do you mean 'alone' time? You are a MOTHER! What alone time? I remember bringing her tot he kitchen while I was cooking so I would not HAVE alone time! She could play in play pen or crib in another room but I WANTED her with me. Plus when they are in school - there is alone time! Some instincts are getting weaker in women nowadays, maybe this is why there are so many men who are simply 'thought it would be different'
The fact that any person, mother or not would like a few hours every once in a while alone to do whatever they wish should not need to be explained.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 14:56:45 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. I am with you on that one. I always said I would be SUPER crabby if I had kids. Even worse are the ones that have to go out of town every weekend for sports.
My friend's children are grown up and on their own now.
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Post by tloonya on Apr 5, 2016 14:56:46 GMT -5
What do you mean 'alone' time? You are a MOTHER! What alone time? I remember bringing her tot he kitchen while I was cooking so I would not HAVE alone time! She could play in play pen or crib in another room but I WANTED her with me. Plus when they are in school - there is alone time! Some instincts are getting weaker in women nowadays, maybe this is why there are so many men who are simply 'thought it would be different'
The fact that any person, mother or not would like a few hours every once in a while alone to do whatever they wish should not need to be explained. Oy! There is babysitting services, grandparents, friends...why to make a big deal out of being tired from OWN kids?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 14:59:50 GMT -5
The fact that any person, mother or not would like a few hours every once in a while alone to do whatever they wish should not need to be explained. Oy! There is babysitting services, grandparents, friends...why to make a big deal out of being tired from OWN kids?
You had ONE kid and she's off to college now. You probably don't even remember what it's like to have little kids.
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Post by tloonya on Apr 5, 2016 15:05:00 GMT -5
Oy! There is babysitting services, grandparents, friends...why to make a big deal out of being tired from OWN kids?
You had ONE kid and she's off to college now. You probably don't even remember what it's like to have little kids. I vividly remember not ever wanting to have a free time from her. You know my Mom is always lived with us and we could vacation with child being under loving care. Not once it is had happened (oops, once we didn't take her to LV)... We had been taking her to every party, BDays, clubs...I had never felt a need to be without.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 5, 2016 15:08:23 GMT -5
My bff is always complaining about how tired she is & how much she has to do. Her children are grown, she doesn't cook dinner, her house isn't all that big & she has a cleaning service. I can't for the life of me figure out what all she has to do. I find that with some people, what little they do have to do can be expanded to fill an entire day. It's almost like they are afraid to have free time because, well, then, they would have to choose/find something to do -- that's alot of pressure. Parkinson's Law - a task expands or contracts to fill the amount of time available.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 5, 2016 15:08:24 GMT -5
For me lately there seem to be conflicts between things I would like to do and would highly prioritize over a lot of other things and things that I classify as obligations. This weekend I have three separate invitations. Two birthday parties and one bridal shower. I would prefer to go to either birthday party over the bridal shower. The problem is the bridal shower falls under obligation because it's for my fiancee's first cousin and as the female my presence is expected. They are a close family and the whole damn family is traveling 3 hours west to attend.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 5, 2016 15:11:42 GMT -5
There are many times I feel like I am doing life incorrectly. I don't know where most of my friends have the time or money to do the things they do. I work M-F. I am out of the house at 7:30 and home between 5:30 and 6:00. We get dinner ready, baths for the kids, bedtime stories, clean up the kitchen and house. That stuff is done by 8:30 or 9:00. If I am feeling for it I exercise, watch a show or two and go to bed. On weekend, I do work around the house. No I don't have time to golf, take a day off to go the brewery, go out for beers after work, start brewing my own beer (my friends have lots of beer related activities...), join a basketball league, or softball league, coach my kid's soccer team, join a band, etc, etc, etc Yes I can do things sometimes, but not too often or it is not fair to my wife. I am doing something wrong. Something terribly wrong. I don't have a spouse or kids and I too feel I'm doing something wrong... I get home a bit later than you (7:00pm) and I have to take care of my 'house' on my own (no one to divvy up the chores with)... and it still feels like the bit of free time I do have is no where near as much free time as other people...
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Post by tloonya on Apr 5, 2016 15:15:56 GMT -5
There are many times I feel like I am doing life incorrectly. I don't know where most of my friends have the time or money to do the things they do. I work M-F. I am out of the house at 7:30 and home between 5:30 and 6:00. We get dinner ready, baths for the kids, bedtime stories, clean up the kitchen and house. That stuff is done by 8:30 or 9:00. If I am feeling for it I exercise, watch a show or two and go to bed. On weekend, I do work around the house. No I don't have time to golf, take a day off to go the brewery, go out for beers after work, start brewing my own beer (my friends have lots of beer related activities...), join a basketball league, or softball league, coach my kid's soccer team, join a band, etc, etc, etc Yes I can do things sometimes, but not too often or it is not fair to my wife. I am doing something wrong. Something terribly wrong. I don't have a spouse or kids and I too feel I'm doing something wrong... I get home a bit later than you (7:00pm) and I have to take care of my 'house' on my own (no one to divvy up the chores with)... and it still feels like the bit of free time I do have is no where near as much free time as other people...
Some people take care of the house bit less maybe?
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 15:16:38 GMT -5
You had ONE kid and she's off to college now. You probably don't even remember what it's like to have little kids. I vividly remember not ever wanting to have a free time from her. You know my Mom is always lived with us and we could vacation with child being under loving care. Not once it is had happened (oops, once we didn't take her to LV)... We had been taking her to every party, BDays, clubs...I had never felt a need to be without.
Well, make sure and eat yourself a cookie later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 15:19:09 GMT -5
There are many times I feel like I am doing life incorrectly. I don't know where most of my friends have the time or money to do the things they do. I work M-F. I am out of the house at 7:30 and home between 5:30 and 6:00. We get dinner ready, baths for the kids, bedtime stories, clean up the kitchen and house. That stuff is done by 8:30 or 9:00. If I am feeling for it I exercise, watch a show or two and go to bed. On weekend, I do work around the house. No I don't have time to golf, take a day off to go the brewery, go out for beers after work, start brewing my own beer (my friends have lots of beer related activities...), join a basketball league, or softball league, coach my kid's soccer team, join a band, etc, etc, etc Yes I can do things sometimes, but not too often or it is not fair to my wife. I am doing something wrong. Something terribly wrong. I don't have a spouse or kids and I too feel I'm doing something wrong... I get home a bit later than you (7:00pm) and I have to take care of my 'house' on my own (no one to divvy up the chores with)... and it still feels like the bit of free time I do have is no where near as much free time as other people...
But you only have 1/2 as much work to do. -- I am being facetious.
That used to bother me. People always thought that since I lived alone my bills and chores were only 1/2 as much as theirs. No, I am pretty sure homeowner's insurance and mortgage would be about the same no matter how many people lived there. Utilities might be less, but I doubt 1/2 less.
In fact, when my fiancé moved in, my electric bill went from around $100 to $130, not double. The cable bill stayed the same. It is handy having him around to help with chores though. He does his own laundry and I do my own so that didn't change.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 5, 2016 15:20:07 GMT -5
Lack of alone time is definitely something I misjudged. What do you mean 'alone' time? You are a MOTHER! What alone time? I remember bringing her tot he kitchen while I was cooking so I would not HAVE alone time! She could play in play pen or crib in another room but I WANTED her with me. Plus when they are in school - there is alone time! Some instincts are getting weaker in women nowadays, maybe this is why there are so many men who are simply 'thought it would be different'
More power to you that you can literally tolerate your young children touching you for 20-21 hours in a 24 hour day, for three days in a row. I don't think there's something wrong with me because I can't. My third would only sleep when we (I) held her from 0-13 months. We switched her to a "big girl" bed and now we are paying for it. She MUST be touching me when she sleeps, save for the first 2-3 hours after we put her down. I also have to sit outside her door until she falls asleep. When she doesn't nap, it's 15 minutes. If she does nap, she's in bed for up to an hour before she falls asleep. My youngest throws tantrums when I go to work. To young to understand me not working=we don't live in a house and have no food to eat. I NEVER talk to my husband anymore. Which is a little stressful when he needs to be three places at the same time between two kids, and I don't know which child to pick up when. Then you toss in the unpredictability of the weather. Sunday, my peanut would actually accept DH taking her to the park while I was home. I had 4 hours to declutter my house. The last time I think I had that big of a chunk of time to work like that is before she was born. My third kid is a tough. She's emotionally sucks everything out of you and spits you out like chewed up meat. Love her to bits. But Lord she is draining.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 15:25:02 GMT -5
I don't have kids and I have been contemplating hiring someone to clean 1-2 times a month. I haven't quite been able to justify it to myself yet. I do travel some for work but in general there are just other things I would rather spend time doing. I leave for NYC on Monday for a week. I need to clean before I leave but there are a lot of other things I would rather spend the weekend doing. My place is not that big so I can thoroughly clean everything in about 3 hours but I have an exercise class on Saturday morning, then lunch plans with my BFF, need to run errands and pack before I leave for NYC. On Sunday afternoon I have an appointment to get my hair highlighted and nails done (yep, I am SO not YM material). So I will probably get up early on Sunday morning to clean. I don't want to but I will. Yes, I know, cry me a river
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 5, 2016 15:33:05 GMT -5
My bff is always complaining about how tired she is & how much she has to do. Her children are grown, she doesn't cook dinner, her house isn't all that big & she has a cleaning service. I can't for the life of me figure out what all she has to do. Generating sympathy is a full time and emotionally draining task. On a on less snarky note, I think a lot of people underestimate what they are committing themselves to when they start a volunteer activity. Most volunteer organizations will very willingly suck up all of you time, if you allow it. And, so many folks self image and public image are so intertwined that they find it difficult to set appropriate limits.
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Post by imawino on Apr 5, 2016 15:44:25 GMT -5
The fact that any person, mother or not would like a few hours every once in a while alone to do whatever they wish should not need to be explained. Oy! There is babysitting services, grandparents, friends...why to make a big deal out of being tired from OWN kids?
Dunno. Why to make a big deal out of being tired and broke due to ones OWN poor life choices, like opening and mismanaging a store?
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Post by lexxy703 on Apr 5, 2016 15:44:35 GMT -5
I really don't know how people who work with small children do it. Of course, I realize I am a selfish bitch which is why I chose not to have kids . Seriously though, I had to attend a board retreat this past weekend where it was a 24/7 mix of bonding/teambuilding and strategic planning. I was so happy to go home and be alone on Sunday afternoon. If I had kids to go home to I think I would have screamed. My guess is I would have stayed an extra night at the hotel "pretending to work" just get some alone time. I'm a selfish bitch too. I also love my alone time.
I had a cleaning person who came every two weeks for years until she had to quit because of her back. I entertain the idea of hiring a new one except I'd have to thoroughly deep clean before getting an estimate
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 15:53:32 GMT -5
Some people want/need more alone time then others. I could seriously go weeks without seeing another human and be fine...in heaven actually...others would go nuts.
I have a kid a bit like Gira's in that he's always TOUCHING me. I am not a touchy person and it drives me up the wall. We'll go somewhere and he's literally hanging on me. Watch TV and he's on my lap. At night he comes into my room and is pressed right up against me. He doesn't like it when I go outside to do chores, and his latest thing is being afraid to go into the bathroom by himself in the evening after it gets dark. Thankfully, he's not like that all the time and doesn't sound near as bad as Gira's daughter, but he's definitely HARDER than older son ever was and wears me out more.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 15:54:38 GMT -5
I am also one of those people who needs to have a couple of hours to unwind each evening. I can't just walk in the house and go to bed. It doesn't work for me. It doesn't matter what time I get home or how tired I am I will end up watching TV or reading for a couple of hours before I go to sleep.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 15:57:25 GMT -5
Some people want/need more alone time then others. I could seriously go weeks without seeing another human and be fine...in heaven actually...others would go nuts. I have a kid a bit like Gira's in that he's always TOUCHING me. I am not a touchy person and it drives me up the wall. We'll go somewhere and he's literally hanging on me. Watch TV and he's on my lap. At night he comes into my room and is pressed right up against me. He doesn't like it when I go outside to do chores, and his latest thing is being afraid to go into the bathroom by himself in the evening after it gets dark. Thankfully, he's not like that all the time and doesn't sound near as bad as Gira's daughter, but he's definitely HARDER than older son ever was and wears me out more. Sounds like my cat
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Post by imawino on Apr 5, 2016 16:04:19 GMT -5
Shoot, I can't even go to my stitching club anymore. Once a month, for an hour and a half. Why? Work. We ARE busy now. Season of life and all that. Choosing to have alternative priorities does not jive with our parenting philosophy. I really only have time to nurture one relationship besides my relationship with my kids. I'd like it to be my marriage. I, personally don't like "girls night" and "girl talk." I missed that gene. I've tried girl talk, and I don't like it.
I'm also a firm believer that there are things others won't ever really understand until they actually go through it. One of my friends has dropped me within the past year. She gave birth at 22 weeks and now has a child with significant health issues. Rather than be upset that I lost a friend, I remember how grateful I am that my kids are healthy. When people ask about the kids, I do talk to them about what is going on. The usual response is "My you are busy!" And I usually say "Yes. It's a good busy. You remember those days." I try to not complain too much about not having enough hours in the day. Please don't take this personally, because I like a lot of your posts and think they are thoughtful and worthwhile, and this isn't about you at all. I'm only quoting and bolding the above because it's something I feel like I see here all. the. time. in some iteration or another and it's wearing on me. The "I missed the girl gene" followed by whatever thing the poster thinks makes women shallow or vapid. Or the "I prefer the company of men because women are catty" comments. Then the VAST majority of all the women here chime in to say they too dislike catty people, or prefer intelligent conversations or whatever. So it seems like the majority of women aren't catty or vapid. For example, I'm a girl. When I speak with another girl it is often about work, relationships, kids/stepkids, family issues, current events, home renovations, life, etc. That's "girl talk", and it appears to be just regular people talk, like men do. Do I ever talk about other people? of course I do! So do men. But seriously, can we stop blaming all shitty boring-ass conversations on women?
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Post by imawino on Apr 5, 2016 16:07:32 GMT -5
My bff is always complaining about how tired she is & how much she has to do. Her children are grown, she doesn't cook dinner, her house isn't all that big & she has a cleaning service. I can't for the life of me figure out what all she has to do. I find that with some people, what little they do have to do can be expanded to fill an entire day. It's almost like they are afraid to have free time because, well, then, they would have to choose/find something to do -- that's alot of pressure. That. I say this about time, and about stuff. You will somehow find that your activities expand to fill your time - like your junk will find a way to fill empty space in your basement/attic. Stuff just magically expands and reproduces!
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 16:13:10 GMT -5
Shoot, I can't even go to my stitching club anymore. Once a month, for an hour and a half. Why? Work. We ARE busy now. Season of life and all that. Choosing to have alternative priorities does not jive with our parenting philosophy. I really only have time to nurture one relationship besides my relationship with my kids. I'd like it to be my marriage. I, personally don't like "girls night" and "girl talk." I missed that gene. I've tried girl talk, and I don't like it. I'm also a firm believer that there are things others won't ever really understand until they actually go through it. One of my friends has dropped me within the past year. She gave birth at 22 weeks and now has a child with significant health issues. Rather than be upset that I lost a friend, I remember how grateful I am that my kids are healthy. When people ask about the kids, I do talk to them about what is going on. The usual response is "My you are busy!" And I usually say "Yes. It's a good busy. You remember those days." I try to not complain too much about not having enough hours in the day. Please don't take this personally, because I like a lot of your posts and think they are thoughtful and worthwhile, and this isn't about you at all. I'm only quoting and bolding the above because it's something I feel like I see here all. the. time. in some iteration or another and it's wearing on me. The "I missed the girl gene" followed by whatever thing the poster thinks makes women shallow or vapid. Or the "I prefer the company of men because women are catty" comments. Then the VAST majority of all the women here chime in to say they too dislike catty people, or prefer intelligent conversations or whatever. So it seems like the majority of women aren't catty or vapid. For example, I'm a girl. When I speak with another girl it is often about work, relationships, kids/stepkids, family issues, current events, home renovations, life, etc. That's "girl talk", and it appears to be just regular people talk, like men do. Do I ever talk about other people? of course I do! So do men. But seriously, can we stop blaming all shitty boring-ass conversations on women? Yeah, I talk to other women about all sorts of things like politics, work, TV shows, etc. I know very few women who sit around talking about hair and make-up. There are a couple that don't seem to have anything to talk about other than their kids but that seems rare. I am not sure what "girl talk" consist of these days.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 5, 2016 16:17:21 GMT -5
I also think there are people who feel criticized by society if they are not constantly busy. I work with some who fit that category. It's like they don't want to admit they take time out to read, relax, or watch TV. Not me...I like having time to unwind and I have no problem admitting it.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 5, 2016 16:17:38 GMT -5
Since I'm coming out of the other side of the parenting years, my advice for you deep in the middle of it all, is to 1) pace yourselves -- every age has its "busy" demands, and 2) try and hold onto something that doesn't involve your kids so that you have something to do once they leave (for college, for life, whatever). I know -- easier said than done and when you're in the thick of parenting, it's hard to see tomorrow never mind a few years away -- but now that I have the time and energy to pick my head up, I'm trying to figure out what's next. I wish I had started thinking about that a lot sooner.
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