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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 31, 2016 16:29:26 GMT -5
You never know what you can become allergic, or sensitive to. I can't take NSAIDS, like Advil or Motrin or Aspirin.
Last time I did, I ended up in the hospital, getting blood transfusions and the Last Rites. It ate holes throughout my GI tract. It's not that uncommon.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 31, 2016 17:50:48 GMT -5
(I'm re-reading my posts and I can't tell whether or not it sounds like I'm be an asshole. I'm not trying to be, was honestly being punny!) (In this particular thread, anyway.) I got it. Didn't sound like an ass hole to me Sent from my SM-G920T using proboards
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 31, 2016 19:08:40 GMT -5
You never know what you can become allergic, or sensitive to. I can't take NSAIDS, like Advil or Motrin or Aspirin.
Last time I did, I ended up in the hospital, getting blood transfusions and the Last Rites. It ate holes throughout my GI tract. It's not that uncommon.
Yeah I very suddenly developed new allergies and asthma a couple years ago. It was very frustrating.
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Post by violagirl on Apr 1, 2016 14:00:45 GMT -5
My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult. What DOES bother me is that with someone doing some sort of DNA analysis, it means that there is a repository of my DNA someplace that can be tapped. I'm guessing that a lot of these companies are not HIPAA compliant, and this is just more health information about me that's floating around that can be used for purposes that may not always benefit me. That is true and why I just ran it through for curiousity's sake, but am unlikely to take drastic steps based on it. For every gene that had "bad" increased risk I had others with the opposite. It would not be for someone who is a hypochondriac. I think in the case of Promethease anyway, it is anonymous and your report is deleted after 45 days. But I think the anonymous DNA is used for various research which I dont' really have a problem with. My husband will not let me near him with one of those tests. He is more freaked out by the DNA floating around being used by people part. But he's a glass half empty kind of guy - I'd rather believe mine could help a researcher toward some kind of huge breakthrough in genetic technology. But all that to say - I think it is possible for "natural" remedies to work for some people and not for others and some conventional medicines to work for some people and not for others. I don't think you can go to extremes in either direction. But for example, it would be better for more doctors to tell their patients they are fat and should eat less and move more than to offer pills. I mean if your knees are giving out and you weigh 300lbs...lose weight. Now that could easier for some than others (as apparently in my case) but it's not rocket science to see the correlation between too heavy= sore knees.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Apr 1, 2016 14:11:08 GMT -5
My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult. What DOES bother me is that with someone doing some sort of DNA analysis, it means that there is a repository of my DNA someplace that can be tapped. I'm guessing that a lot of these companies are not HIPAA compliant, and this is just more health information about me that's floating around that can be used for purposes that may not always benefit me. That is true and why I just ran it through for curiousity's sake, but am unlikely to take drastic steps based on it. For every gene that had "bad" increased risk I had others with the opposite. It would not be for someone who is a hypochondriac. I think in the case of Promethease anyway, it is anonymous and your report is deleted after 45 days. But I think the anonymous DNA is used for various research which I dont' really have a problem with. My husband will not let me near him with one of those tests. He is more freaked out by the DNA floating around being used by people part. But he's a glass half empty kind of guy - I'd rather believe mine could help a researcher toward some kind of huge breakthrough in genetic technology. But all that to say - I think it is possible for "natural" remedies to work for some people and not for others and some conventional medicines to work for some people and not for others. I don't think you can go to extremes in either direction. But for example, it would be better for more doctors to tell their patients they are fat and should eat less and move more than to offer pills. I mean if your knees are giving out and you weigh 300lbs...lose weight. Now that could easier for some than others (as apparently in my case) but it's not rocket science to see the correlation between too heavy= sore knees. Sadly, doctors do tell their patients they need to lose weight. No one wants to hear that. It's mean and unsupportive. *rolls eyes*
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 1, 2016 14:14:57 GMT -5
A lot of people also want fast fixes, losing weight the "old fashioned" way takes a lot of time and can be frustrating.
That's where peddlers of "natural" medicine can come in. You start by painting a picture of the "good old days" before doctors started interfering in our lives and "Big Agra" controlled us all.
Generate mental imagines of thin beautiful cave people running free thru the forest.
All thanks to your "miracle pill" or "miracle cleanse" that was discovered in the depths of the African jungle known only to the indigenous people who have been untouched by modern civilization.
And NONE of that has to be remotely true in order to sell your product since it's not regulated by the FDA.* That tidbit of information is at the bottom of the screen in hard to read fine print that disappears before you even register it's there.
We're all prone to want to get things done as fast as possible, we're hard wired to act first and think later. It can be difficult to train your brain to do the opposite.
*This isn't to say prescription drug commericials aren't a bunch of marketing hooey. However the actual DRUG information included in the commericial has to by law be accurate and verified. The drug they are hocking is the drug I will end up with at the pharmacy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 1, 2016 14:38:04 GMT -5
I do some nutritional counselling with my bigger patients. "Nurse, I eat like a bird! I just can't understand why I can't lose weight!" "I can understand it. Birds eat about half their entire body weight every day. Sometimes more."
I usually see them later in the day, at the McDonald's at the mall, scarfing down bacon cheeseburgers and shakes.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 1, 2016 14:40:03 GMT -5
I saw a guy order a Quad burger (four patties, bacon and cheese on every layer) with no bun at Burger King once.
I was standing there thinking he just got rid of what was probably the only "healthy" part of the burger.
To be fair maybe he had Celiac's or something. It just struck me as weird when I heard the order.
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Post by milee on Apr 1, 2016 14:46:55 GMT -5
But all that to say - I think it is possible for "natural" remedies to work for some people and not for others and some conventional medicines to work for some people and not for others. I don't think you can go to extremes in either direction. But for example, it would be better for more doctors to tell their patients they are fat and should eat less and move more than to offer pills. I mean if your knees are giving out and you weigh 300lbs...lose weight. Now that could easier for some than others (as apparently in my case) but it's not rocket science to see the correlation between too heavy= sore knees. Sadly, doctors do tell their patients they need to lose weight. No one wants to hear that. It's mean and unsupportive. *rolls eyes* But this is exactly the type of case I'm referring to where bedside manner can make a big difference. If a person goes to see a conventional doc, they're lucky to get a whole 10 minutes with that doctor and that 10 minutes will include the doc confirming history, allergies and physically examining the person, which leaves... what? a whole 2 minutes for recommendations and questions? What usually happens is the doc completes the exam, looks the patient in the eye says, "you need to lose weight. Meantime, here's a scrip for NSAIDs for your pain. Come back in 3 weeks if things aren't better." Then the doc moves on to the next patient.
It's not that the doc is mean and it's not that the doc is wrong, but our system isn't set up to encourage or even allow the doc to sit with the patient and spend the time really needed to give that patient a detailed plan about lifestyle changes. That 300 lb person knows they need to lose weight; this is not news. What that person may not know is how or where to start, what to eat, how to go about it. So they get that recommendation "lose weight" and ignore it. It's not specific enough and it doesn't feel like there's a real, medical recommendation or details there.
On the other hand, if you have an alternative healthcare provider who will sit with you for an hour or two, spending that time listening to you and then providing some detailed plans on how and what to eat... that would be really, awesomely helpful. Even if part of that plan involved woo woo tests or even some expensive supplements that may or may not really even be effective. The effective part is that the patient felt listened to, they had enough time to ask questions, they were given a very detailed plan and felt cared about. Might be enough to motivate the patient to make the changes s/he needs to make.
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 1, 2016 14:47:40 GMT -5
My doctor told me to eat more salt. My BP is very, very low. When it's hot and humid out, I've been known to pass out. My father LOVES salt. (I do too and so does DS...I'm thinking it's genetic.) Anyway, he was vehemently anti-salt for decades because he thought it would cause high blood pressure. He is now hyponatremic (i.e. doesn't have enough salt and has to eat more). Needless to say, I'm taking full advantage of my rationalization that salt is good It also makes you think twice about taking any diet recommendations seriously...it's really appalling how often the recommendations change and how diametrically opposed they are from decade to decade. Remember when formula was superior to breastmilk, until it wasn't? Or when fat was Evil and carbohydrates were Good? Or five years later when carbohydrates were Evil but you could have as much fat and protein as you wanted? Until Dr Atkins dropped dead of a heart attack and they decided maybe not? And they still have no idea whether antioxidants are actually good for you or just undoing the effects of any exercise you get. Pharmaceuticals at least have the advantage of large well-controlled studies that actually show what if any benefit is derived from a particular drug; nutrition is a frighteningly blurry field. (Oh, and another shake-your-head moment with my mother: after dad's surgery he was having problems with impulse control and hyponatremia. My mother whined for a good hour about how on earth she was supposed to deal with it...apparently the idea of setting out bowls of salted peanuts, crackers, and pretzels and letting the problem take care of itself never occurred to her. ) Anyway. It's not that I think naturopathy is completely full of it exactly, but I do think they take full advantage of fuzzy feel-good buzzwords and I tend to be immediately suspicious and want to see the actual studies. I'd rather have a pill that has been QC'd and validated every step of the way than a handful of dried herb of unknown potency, that may be the actual herb but is just about as likely to be Chinese grass clippings. The antibiotics prescribed for a cold habit that some doctors have is another story--they're going for a placebo effect (or shut up and get out of my office effect at least) and inadvertently doing real harm with it by increasing antibiotic resistance. I think I should start a new company that sells prescription-only sugar pills for the common cold. Everybody wins!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 1, 2016 17:04:09 GMT -5
My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult. What DOES bother me is that with someone doing some sort of DNA analysis, it means that there is a repository of my DNA someplace that can be tapped. I'm guessing that a lot of these companies are not HIPAA compliant, and this is just more health information about me that's floating around that can be used for purposes that may not always benefit me. That is true and why I just ran it through for curiousity's sake, but am unlikely to take drastic steps based on it. For every gene that had "bad" increased risk I had others with the opposite. It would not be for someone who is a hypochondriac. I think in the case of Promethease anyway, it is anonymous and your report is deleted after 45 days. But I think the anonymous DNA is used for various research which I dont' really have a problem with. My husband will not let me near him with one of those tests. He is more freaked out by the DNA floating around being used by people part. But he's a glass half empty kind of guy - I'd rather believe mine could help a researcher toward some kind of huge breakthrough in genetic technology. But all that to say - I think it is possible for "natural" remedies to work for some people and not for others and some conventional medicines to work for some people and not for others. I don't think you can go to extremes in either direction. But for example, it would be better for more doctors to tell their patients they are fat and should eat less and move more than to offer pills. I mean if your knees are giving out and you weigh 300lbs...lose weight. Now that could easier for some than others (as apparently in my case) but it's not rocket science to see the correlation between too heavy= sore knees. Do you have any idea how to lose weight with failing joints? Please tell me if you do, as it is damn near impossible. It really isn't as easy as you make it seem. Usually, people put on weight when their joints fail and many times they are a near normal weight when it starts out. I'm in this category. My failing hips are responsible for about 40 lbs, and exercise only sends me to narcotics. It sucks, but if my choice is a healthy diet and being overweight, or ruining my ability to walk by abusing what mobility I have, then I'll keep my current mobility. If you go into just about any joint replacement group, you hear the same thing over and over.
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Post by swamp on Apr 1, 2016 17:06:47 GMT -5
That is true and why I just ran it through for curiousity's sake, but am unlikely to take drastic steps based on it. For every gene that had "bad" increased risk I had others with the opposite. It would not be for someone who is a hypochondriac. I think in the case of Promethease anyway, it is anonymous and your report is deleted after 45 days. But I think the anonymous DNA is used for various research which I dont' really have a problem with. My husband will not let me near him with one of those tests. He is more freaked out by the DNA floating around being used by people part. But he's a glass half empty kind of guy - I'd rather believe mine could help a researcher toward some kind of huge breakthrough in genetic technology. But all that to say - I think it is possible for "natural" remedies to work for some people and not for others and some conventional medicines to work for some people and not for others. I don't think you can go to extremes in either direction. But for example, it would be better for more doctors to tell their patients they are fat and should eat less and move more than to offer pills. I mean if your knees are giving out and you weigh 300lbs...lose weight. Now that could easier for some than others (as apparently in my case) but it's not rocket science to see the correlation between too heavy= sore knees. Do you have any idea how to lose weight with failing joints? Please tell me if you do, as it is damn near impossible. It really isn't as easy as you make it seem. Usually, people put on weight when their joints fail and many times they are a near normal weight when it starts out. I'm in this category. My failing hips are responsible for about 40 lbs, and exercise only sends me to narcotics. It sucks, but if my choice is a healthy diet and being overweight, or ruining my ability to walk by abusing what mobility I have, then I'll keep my current mobility. If you go into just about any joint replacement group, you hear the same thing over and over. Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 1, 2016 17:19:02 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how to lose weight with failing joints? Please tell me if you do, as it is damn near impossible. It really isn't as easy as you make it seem. Usually, people put on weight when their joints fail and many times they are a near normal weight when it starts out. I'm in this category. My failing hips are responsible for about 40 lbs, and exercise only sends me to narcotics. It sucks, but if my choice is a healthy diet and being overweight, or ruining my ability to walk by abusing what mobility I have, then I'll keep my current mobility. If you go into just about any joint replacement group, you hear the same thing over and over. Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal.
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Post by violagirl on Apr 1, 2016 19:32:00 GMT -5
I'm no trainer and goodness knows my attempts to eat healthy often fail, but I suppose you could do upper body workouts. When i broke my knee I had to be inventive. In any case, exercise will not do as much to maintain healthy weight as much as eating mainly fruits and vegetables will. But thats a battle for most of us. Not to take this thread on a different tangent but have you read The Dorito Effect?
Food doesn't even taste like food anymore no wonder we are all out there eating fat and salt and sugar trying to get some flavour.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 1, 2016 22:50:21 GMT -5
Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. This is unfortunate. My gym ($59 a month) has a pool with both wide steps and a lift. In fact all pools I have seen here have a lift of some type.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 2, 2016 0:05:46 GMT -5
So did my old gym, but it is 2500 miles away. That doesn't do me any good.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 2, 2016 2:08:43 GMT -5
Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. Do you have a body of water where you could wade in and out, nearby? Yes, swimming is best for non weight-bearing exercise.
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Post by milee on Apr 2, 2016 8:29:39 GMT -5
Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. That is really odd. I wonder how all the health clubs, YMCAs and other public pools have managed to avoid that ADA requirement in your area? It was a huge deal around here for a couple of years especially since the way the requirement was written meant that it phased in during the recession/weak economy years a few years ago and small hotels and health clubs were raising a huge public stink about having to retrofit their pools with multi-thousand dollar lifts when they were already losing money. I think even Windy City Paul wrote a few times about the issue. So how the heck did the pools that are open to the public in your area manage to get out of the lift requirement? Would be interesting to see if there's some sort of exception or extension granted.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 2, 2016 10:33:03 GMT -5
Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. Can't you get in and out at the shallow end? No ladder that way.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 2, 2016 11:56:17 GMT -5
Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. That is really odd. I wonder how all the health clubs, YMCAs and other public pools have managed to avoid that ADA requirement in your area? It was a huge deal around here for a couple of years especially since the way the requirement was written meant that it phased in during the recession/weak economy years a few years ago and small hotels and health clubs were raising a huge public stink about having to retrofit their pools with multi-thousand dollar lifts when they were already losing money. I think even Windy City Paul wrote a few times about the issue. So how the heck did the pools that are open to the public in your area manage to get out of the lift requirement? Would be interesting to see if there's some sort of exception or extension granted.
Not a lot of pools in town. Lot of gyms, but only one has a pool. Not sure how they got around it. There is a pool associated with the hospital PT, but not open to the public (unless I want to pay $150/session for an hour of PT). The last pool is a city pool, and I'm not eligible as to where I live (in the county, not the city). I haven't checked it out, but other than being ridiculously expensive, it is largely used by the schools so getting near it is impossible....all the times are blocked off. Back when I first was starting rehab, I did research into it and just didn't seem to be worth the effort for the little time available and obscene amount of money I'd have to pay.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 2, 2016 11:58:17 GMT -5
Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. Can't you get in and out at the shallow end? No ladder that way. Yes, but the most pools are lap pools. No shallow end with stairs and a rail.
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Post by swamp on Apr 2, 2016 12:00:05 GMT -5
Swimming, water aerobics, and water jogging. Nope. Can't get out of any of the local pools. Tried this already. Climbing the ladder puts too much stress against the joint. Only pool in town that works is part of the PT facility, and I can't afford $150/hour PT. They won't deal. ADA requires a lift for pools. Make stink.
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