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Post by kittensaver on Mar 30, 2016 17:40:27 GMT -5
What about my friend that is convinced she has colon cancer even though the colonoscopy came back fine?
That is not a "did I see the right practitioner" problem. That is a "she doesn't believe her test results" problem.
An internist is the most logical and appropriate person to test and diagnose her. Most traditional internists, however, are totally clueless about how to counsel clients to use diet and lifestyle to keep themselves healthy and cancer free. They are disease-oriented (as in, they are trained to diagnose and treat diseases).
A naturopathic doctor is the most logical and appropriate person to counsel her on diet and lifestyle to help keep her cancer free. They are health-oriented (as in, they work with clients to improve their health and prevent diseases from taking hold or getting out of hand).
If everybody (all the practitioners out there) just concentrated on doing what they do best and let the other branches of medicine do what THEY do best, the consumer would be much better off.
It's not appropriate to treat the common cold with a 4-week course of antibiotics (which MANY allopathic doctors still do ). It's not appropriate to treat a systemic infection with herbs (which many unlicensed "naturopaths" try to do).
Their orientations are completely different and when you try to be THE treatment provider for everyone you steer a lot of folks wrong. Several people here have pointed out that no one discipline has the lock on every condition or treatment modality.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 30, 2016 18:40:56 GMT -5
What about my friend that is convinced she has colon cancer even though the colonoscopy came back fine?
she is just cray cray
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Post by Pants on Mar 30, 2016 18:57:45 GMT -5
What about my friend that is convinced she has colon cancer even though the colonoscopy came back fine?
That is not a "did I see the right practitioner" problem. That is a "she doesn't believe her test results" problem.
An internist is the most logical and appropriate person to test and diagnose her. Most traditional internists, however, are totally clueless about how to counsel clients to use diet and lifestyle to keep themselves healthy and cancer free. They are disease-oriented (as in, they are trained to diagnose and treat diseases).
A naturopathic doctor is the most logical and appropriate person to counsel her on diet and lifestyle to help keep her cancer free. They are health-oriented (as in, they work with clients to improve their health and prevent diseases from taking hold or getting out of hand).
If everybody (all the practitioners out there) just concentrated on doing what they do best and let the other branches of medicine do what THEY do best, the consumer would be much better off.
It's not appropriate to treat the common cold with a 4-week course of antibiotics (which MANY allopathic doctors still do ). It's not appropriate to treat a systemic infection with herbs (which many unlicensed "naturopaths" try to do).
Their orientations are completely different and when you try to be THE treatment provider for everyone you steer a lot of folks wrong. Several people here have pointed out that no one discipline has the lock on every condition or treatment modality.
Please tell me about these 4 week courses of antibiotics and how you know many doctors prescribe them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2016 19:09:10 GMT -5
What about my friend that is convinced she has colon cancer even though the colonoscopy came back fine?
Hypochondria maybe? I don't think anyone has said holistic medicine can't work. The issue is its unregulated. They are not obligated to disclose anything or create consistent product. If I am prescribed wellbutrin I know no matter who fills it or where by law those pills are exactly the same. By law all the information has to be pubically available. By law it has to go thru trialsa and be approved for use in humans. That is not to say it's the best choice for me or that my doctor is perfect but at least being my own advocate is fairly easy. Holistic medicine isn't obligated to provide you with any of that. Some are researched enough you can find side effects and drug interactions. However every combo and every new miracle herb has not. Placebo effect in and of itself is not a bad thing. However if you're taking something else and it reacts with your placebo you could be in a lot of trouble. It's no different than taking a prescription you don't need because what's the harm if it makes you feel better? My MIL's doctor does this with cipro. In and of itself it's not harmful...till it mixes with something else. The problem is people see the word natural and think it harkens back to some golden age where nobody got sick or suffered. It's evio traditional medicine that did that. If you want to do your own homework and choose holistic medicine it's your business as a grown adult. That doesn't mean it's automatically saved than a scip. It doesn't mean it's well regulated. Go into it with your eyes open. Just as those people insist I go into holistic medicine with. Yet when I counterpoint I'm simply "part of the problem".
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 30, 2016 19:14:41 GMT -5
That is not a "did I see the right practitioner" problem. That is a "she doesn't believe her test results" problem.
An internist is the most logical and appropriate person to test and diagnose her. Most traditional internists, however, are totally clueless about how to counsel clients to use diet and lifestyle to keep themselves healthy and cancer free. They are disease-oriented (as in, they are trained to diagnose and treat diseases).
A naturopathic doctor is the most logical and appropriate person to counsel her on diet and lifestyle to help keep her cancer free. They are health-oriented (as in, they work with clients to improve their health and prevent diseases from taking hold or getting out of hand).
If everybody (all the practitioners out there) just concentrated on doing what they do best and let the other branches of medicine do what THEY do best, the consumer would be much better off.
It's not appropriate to treat the common cold with a 4-week course of antibiotics (which MANY allopathic doctors still do ). It's not appropriate to treat a systemic infection with herbs (which many unlicensed "naturopaths" try to do).
Their orientations are completely different and when you try to be THE treatment provider for everyone you steer a lot of folks wrong. Several people here have pointed out that no one discipline has the lock on every condition or treatment modality.
Please tell me about these 4 week courses of antibiotics and how you know many doctors prescribe them. Holy yeast infection after 4 weeks of antibiotics! Sent from my SM-G920T using proboards
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2016 20:29:26 GMT -5
Please tell me about these 4 week courses of antibiotics and how you know many doctors prescribe them. Holy yeast infection after 4 weeks of antibiotics! Sent from my SM-G920T using proboards You know.....after 6 months on IV and oral antibiotics, a yeast infection was the only problem that I did NOT have. To this day, I have absolutely no idea how I escaped this!
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Post by violagirl on Mar 30, 2016 20:42:39 GMT -5
I believe in the case of the meningitis baby even the naturopathic doctor told them to take the baby to the hospital. I know a family where everyone in it is about 100lbs overweight. Every few months they go to the naturopathic doctor who sells them homeopathic drugs and puts them on diets of lean protein and vegetables. They feel fantastic from the change to a better diet and think he is a genius. Maybe he is a genius if you can get people to adopt a healthier lifestyle at the price of a few placebo pills, maybe he is providing what they need.
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 30, 2016 20:46:44 GMT -5
That is not a "did I see the right practitioner" problem. That is a "she doesn't believe her test results" problem.
An internist is the most logical and appropriate person to test and diagnose her. Most traditional internists, however, are totally clueless about how to counsel clients to use diet and lifestyle to keep themselves healthy and cancer free. They are disease-oriented (as in, they are trained to diagnose and treat diseases).
A naturopathic doctor is the most logical and appropriate person to counsel her on diet and lifestyle to help keep her cancer free. They are health-oriented (as in, they work with clients to improve their health and prevent diseases from taking hold or getting out of hand).
If everybody (all the practitioners out there) just concentrated on doing what they do best and let the other branches of medicine do what THEY do best, the consumer would be much better off.
It's not appropriate to treat the common cold with a 4-week course of antibiotics (which MANY allopathic doctors still do ). It's not appropriate to treat a systemic infection with herbs (which many unlicensed "naturopaths" try to do).
Their orientations are completely different and when you try to be THE treatment provider for everyone you steer a lot of folks wrong. Several people here have pointed out that no one discipline has the lock on every condition or treatment modality.
Please tell me about these 4 week courses of antibiotics and how you know many doctors prescribe them. Well for starters - two people in my immediate family and at least three people at work (that I know of). They have all told me that when their first two-week (which is standard) course "didn't work," they were given a second two weeks.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 30, 2016 21:19:54 GMT -5
I can completely understand why people want to get away from Western medicine. I don't think the solution is to go 180 and go all in for the alternative, but the trust is completely gone towards doctors and medications they prescribed.
And I think it's easy to say "do your research", but it's much harder to do. First of all, you can find a study to support pretty much anything. Second of all, understanding the information is not the easiest thing to do for most people.
So, I can see people turning to "natural healers" bc they have a tendency to listen better (or fake it if they don't) and they come off as they really really care. And they can sound just as good and convincing and authoritative as any MD.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 31, 2016 8:45:30 GMT -5
Maybe he is a genius if you can get people to adopt a healthier lifestyle at the price of a few placebo pills, maybe he is providing what they need.
I read something similar about the popularity of being "gluten free". It's not that all these people are sensitive to gluten it's that they were eating a ton of crap before. When they switched they had to be more aware of their food choices and are eating healthier all around. Some may be people with Celiac's that were never diagnosed. It's apparently REALLY hard to clinically diagnose and there is a large population of people running around undiagnosed. So they're unwittingly treating themselves when they go gluten free. The second situation they are treating a real medical problem. The first situation they aren't treating anything, they are just being smarter about their food choices which they could have done without going gluten free. The first situation is the problem because you then have people touting it as a miracle cure for all sorts of things. I read the book The Gluten Myth which was really interesting. It talks extensively about nutrition science and how we came to believe a lot of the stuff we do about our diet. It's shocking how little of what we do in regards to our diets has any actual science behind it. It's worth a read and applies just as well to holistic medicine. Adam Ruins Everything is a show on TruTV that also did a show about these subjects and was really fascinating. I pay much closer attention now when I watch The Doctors or Dr. Oz.
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Post by Pants on Mar 31, 2016 9:19:20 GMT -5
Maybe he is a genius if you can get people to adopt a healthier lifestyle at the price of a few placebo pills, maybe he is providing what they need.
I read something similar about the popularity of being "gluten free". It's not that all these people are sensitive to gluten it's that they were eating a ton of crap before. When they switched they had to be more aware of their food choices and are eating healthier all around. Some may be people with Celiac's that were never diagnosed. It's apparently REALLY hard to clinically diagnose and there is a large population of people running around undiagnosed. So they're unwittingly treating themselves when they go gluten free. The second situation they are treating a real medical problem. The first situation they aren't treating anything, they are just being smarter about their food choices which they could have done without going gluten free. The first situation is the problem because you then have people touting it as a miracle cure for all sorts of things. I read the book The Gluten Myth which was really interesting. It talks extensively about nutrition science and how we came to believe a lot of the stuff we do about our diet. It's shocking how little of what we do in regards to our diets has any actual science behind it. It's worth a read and applies just as well to holistic medicine. Adam Ruins Everything is a show on TruTV that also did a show about these subjects and was really fascinating. I pay much closer attention now when I watch The Doctors or Dr. Oz. Better option: turn off dr oz and the doctors, cut the power cord to your TV in half, take your TV to the driveway and run it over with your car. Dr Oz is a fucking quack who should be indicted.
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Post by violagirl on Mar 31, 2016 9:25:36 GMT -5
It can be difficult to know what is in your head and what is biological.
I had done a DNA test for genealogy purposes, but I then ran it through Promethease and the resulting report was interesting.
It didn't tell me anything substantial that I didn't already know because I know my family's history and what we tend to die from. But it did indicate I may have some resistance to many of the drugs used to treat depression. Since I also have a genetic predisposition toward depression, I think that is information that is good to know.
I also tested my parents. My mother has an intolerance to something but we don't know what, possibly lactose intolerant, so I'm interested to see if this report could shed any light on it.
I think you will see these types of tests becoming more main stream. But there is really two different ways to take them and it might be overwhelming to some people. It showed that I have a higher likelihood of being obese. I could use that and say - well, it's genetic!! and take another cookie (which is what I actually did say this weekend) or really just tell me I have to work that much harder than other people to keep weight off. To me it is a good motivator to tell my genes - screw you! I'm not going to die of Type 2 Diabetes and heart disease!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 31, 2016 9:28:30 GMT -5
Maybe he is a genius if you can get people to adopt a healthier lifestyle at the price of a few placebo pills, maybe he is providing what they need.
I read something similar about the popularity of being "gluten free". It's not that all these people are sensitive to gluten it's that they were eating a ton of crap before. When they switched they had to be more aware of their food choices and are eating healthier all around. Some may be people with Celiac's that were never diagnosed. It's apparently REALLY hard to clinically diagnose and there is a large population of people running around undiagnosed. So they're unwittingly treating themselves when they go gluten free. The second situation they are treating a real medical problem. The first situation they aren't treating anything, they are just being smarter about their food choices which they could have done without going gluten free. The first situation is the problem because you then have people touting it as a miracle cure for all sorts of things. I read the book The Gluten Myth which was really interesting. It talks extensively about nutrition science and how we came to believe a lot of the stuff we do about our diet. It's shocking how little of what we do in regards to our diets has any actual science behind it. It's worth a read and applies just as well to holistic medicine. Adam Ruins Everything is a show on TruTV that also did a show about these subjects and was really fascinating. I pay much closer attention now when I watch The Doctors or Dr. Oz. Better option: turn off dr oz and the doctors, cut the power cord to your TV in half, take your TV to the driveway and run it over with your car. Dr Oz is a fucking quack who should be indicted. I agree with you on that. But I am not running over my TV. I admit that watching The Doctors is a guilty pleasure. Mainly b/c I have a "captive audience" to sit and yell at. It's good for releasing my frustrations. I can't watch Dr. Oz anymore it makes me want to throw things at the TV.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 31, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -5
It can be difficult to know what is in your head and what is biological. I had done a DNA test for genealogy purposes, but I then ran it through Promethease and the resulting report was interesting. It didn't tell me anything substantial that I didn't already know because I know my family's history and what we tend to die from. But it did indicate I may have some resistance to many of the drugs used to treat depression. Since I also have a genetic predisposition toward depression, I think that is information that is good to know. I also tested my parents. My mother has an intolerance to something but we don't know what, possibly lactose intolerant, so I'm interested to see if this report could shed any light on it. I think you will see these types of tests becoming more main stream. But there is really two different ways to take them and it might be overwhelming to some people. It showed that I have a higher likelihood of being obese. I could use that and say - well, it's genetic!! and take another cookie (which is what I actually did say this weekend) or really just tell me I have to work that much harder than other people to keep weight off. To me it is a good motivator to tell my genes - screw you! I'm not going to die of Type 2 Diabetes and heart disease! This is interesting. When my dad became hypertensive, he went through god knows how many permutations of meds in order to find something that would work for him. I want to say it took almost 3 years and a pharmacy of whatever the current BP meds were. So when my BP finally tipped over the line, my PCP started with the first line of defense - which had absolutely NO impact. BP didn't budge. I finally went to my dad and asked him what he finally wound up taking to control his BP and he told me. At my next appointment of another unsuccessful attempt, I suggested to my doctor what my dad was on, and it might make more sense to go in that direction. Sure enough, that did it and it was merely a matter of titrating it to work for me. My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult. What DOES bother me is that with someone doing some sort of DNA analysis, it means that there is a repository of my DNA someplace that can be tapped. I'm guessing that a lot of these companies are not HIPAA compliant, and this is just more health information about me that's floating around that can be used for purposes that may not always benefit me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 31, 2016 10:05:44 GMT -5
My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult.
I've noticed a position as a "genetic counselor" pops up from time to time on Nebraska Med's web site. They go thru with you what it all means and what your options are. I think that's a fantastic thing for the hospital to offer people. I am not sure how much stock I put in companies where I send them a cheek swab and they come back with all these things. It may all be true but I am not sure I would base any kind of treatment or preventative care on that unless we're talking really basic things like stop drinking, stop smoking or eating better all of which could be done without prior screening. I wouldn't do anything drastic like a mastectomy without first talking to a doctor and having them confirm the results. For things like cancer just because you have a "higher risk" doesn't mean you will end up getting it, nor does "lower risk" mean you won't. Cancer is an extremely complicated process that we're just beginning to understand. It would not be a bad tool to use as a talking point with your doctor. Unfortunately after seeing how my DH and MIL take that kind of information I can see a lot of people trying to use those to force their doctors to give them a diagnosis/treatment or treating themselves.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 31, 2016 10:20:54 GMT -5
My big problem with the genetic tests are that they really aren't the be-all to end all. It's not a yes or no, but an increased risk and explaining increased risk is a lot more difficult.
I've noticed a position as a "genetic counselor" pops up from time to time on Nebraska Med's web site. They go thru with you what it all means and what your options are. I think that's a fantastic thing for the hospital to offer people. I am not sure how much stock I put in companies where I send them a cheek swab and they come back with all these things. It may all be true but I am not sure I would base any kind of treatment or preventative care on that unless we're talking really basic things like stop drinking, stop smoking or eating better all of which could be done without prior screening. I wouldn't do anything drastic like a mastectomy without first talking to a doctor and having them confirm the results. For things like cancer just because you have a "higher risk" doesn't mean you will end up getting it, nor does "lower risk" mean you won't. Cancer is an extremely complicated process that we're just beginning to understand. It would not be a bad tool to use as a talking point with your doctor. Unfortunately after seeing how my DH and MIL take that kind of information I can see a lot of people trying to use those to force their doctors to give them a diagnosis/treatment or treating themselves. I look at this rather side-eyed, as you have no idea as to what kind of QC the company has. Chances are, they will tell you you have an increased risk of some sort of disease and if you look back in your family history, you'll think "hmmm, Aunt Myrtle had that disease". In most people's families, you will find someone who has had most conditions. Very few families don't have drug (or alcohol) addiction, depression, cancer, arthritis, etc. in them. I do think that these could be important in directed therapies, in that certain people respond better to certain drugs. Where this is particularly important is in cancer chemotherapies. However, at this point you need to be looking for specific genotypes and it is financially impossible to screen for everything under the sun.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 31, 2016 11:28:51 GMT -5
It's insanely expensive to test for the things we can test for. When I was pregnant they do offer sickle cell and cystic fibrosis testing but it is INSANELY expensive. Your insurance will only cover it if one of you is a carrier and then they'll also cover it for your spouse.
Otherwise it's not part of routine testing due to it being so costly.
Then some genetic testing isn't even a confirmation. It's more a process of ruling out everything else. They really can't tell you 100% for sure your risk level since it's not specific enough.
Like I said if it begins a conversation between you and your doctor I think that is great. I would caution anyone who thought it should be used to self diagnose that it's about as useful as using WedMD to do the same.
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Post by copperboxes on Mar 31, 2016 13:25:36 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on naturopathy? Do you go to a naturopathic doctor?
I find naturopathic medicine very interesting. I try herbs and supplements before prescription medicine. I'm a mid ground person. Many really common medicines are based on natural sources of things like fungi, bark, leaves and stems, stuff like penicillin, aspirin, warfarin, morphine, all kinds of stuff. It gets refined and metered into dosages, and synthetic versions created over time. So I believe natural sources can be pretty powerful, both as medicines and as poisons. The big things for me, as mentioned by others, is lack of oversight of is in the bottle, and whether something does nothing, helps or hurts can be a big question mark. DH and I go to regular doctors and dentists for assessments, just easier (I don't even know if there are any unorthodox doctors our insurance would cover here in central OK), but generally view surgery and prescription medicine as a very last resort. Which means effectively... we don't use medicine much of either sort. It's a pretty big gamble for my side of the family to take prescription medicines since we have such bad reactions to a lot of very common medicines. I honestly wonder if there's a widely used filler or coating or something we react to, the allergies are so widespread, really common stuff shuts our systems down. So if we can handle things with adjusting food, lots of water, rest and/or specific exercises, that's our deeply preferred method. It sounds pretty unfocused, but in our experience bodies are good at repairing injuries and infections if treated well. Quickly upping the basics of self care, especially sleep and water, seems to cover a lot of ground if given a chance. Since my disastrous experiences with courses of antibiotics, I just sleep and hydrate away infections now rather than gambling on more allergic reactions. We use foods as medicine rather than bottled vitamins or supplements, figuring the enzymes and other nutrients are probably playing a role in health. I am a fan of making cultured vegetables, got three jars on the counter right now. I really like sour foods, and if the bacteria involved help boost my immune system, all the better. Surgery seems very useful, but I view it as the ultimate emergency sledgehammer, it can cause a lot of collateral damage to nerves and weaken an area permanently. Good tool for the arsenal, but the most prone to permanent complications. Just thoughts. Take with a truckload of salt, as always.
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Post by Pants on Mar 31, 2016 13:44:08 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on naturopathy? Do you go to a naturopathic doctor?
I find naturopathic medicine very interesting. I try herbs and supplements before prescription medicine. I'm a mid ground person. Many really common medicines are based on natural sources of things like fungi, bark, leaves and stems, stuff like penicillin, aspirin, warfarin, morphine, all kinds of stuff. It gets refined and metered into dosages, and synthetic versions created over time. So I believe natural sources can be pretty powerful, both as medicines and as poisons. The big things for me, as mentioned by others, is lack of oversight of is in the bottle, and whether something does nothing, helps or hurts can be a big question mark. DH and I go to regular doctors and dentists for assessments, just easier (I don't even know if there are any unorthodox doctors our insurance would cover here in central OK), but generally view surgery and prescription medicine as a very last resort. Which means effectively... we don't use medicine much of either sort. It's a pretty big gamble for my side of the family to take prescription medicines since we have such bad reactions to a lot of very common medicines. I honestly wonder if there's a widely used filler or coating or something we react to, the allergies are so widespread, really common stuff shuts our systems down. So if we can handle things with adjusting food, lots of water, rest and/or specific exercises, that's our deeply preferred method. It sounds pretty unfocused, but in our experience bodies are good at repairing injuries and infections if treated well. Quickly upping the basics of self care, especially sleep and water, seems to cover a lot of ground if given a chance. Since my disastrous experiences with courses of antibiotics, I just sleep and hydrate away infections now rather than gambling on more allergic reactions. We use foods as medicine rather than bottled vitamins or supplements, figuring the enzymes and other nutrients are probably playing a role in health. I am a fan of making cultured vegetables, got three jars on the counter right now. I really like sour foods, and if the bacteria involved help boost my immune system, all the better. Surgery seems very useful, but I view it as the ultimate emergency sledgehammer, it can cause a lot of collateral damage to nerves and weaken an area permanently. Good tool for the arsenal, but the most prone to permanent complications. Just thoughts. Take with a truckload of salt, as always. Unless you have high blood pressure.
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Post by copperboxes on Mar 31, 2016 14:11:25 GMT -5
Unless you have high blood pressure. Ack, I've been pondering it, but I'm still not following, apologies. Could you please expand? I don't want to make assumptions.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 31, 2016 14:20:10 GMT -5
Unless you have high blood pressure. Ack, I've been pondering it, but I'm still not following, apologies. Could you please expand? I don't want to make assumptions. Salt is not compatible for some with regards to blood pressure. In some cases, restricting salt can be sufficient to lower it, so it is frequently the first suggestions doctors make when your blood pressure increases.
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Post by copperboxes on Mar 31, 2016 14:49:23 GMT -5
Ack, I've been pondering it, but I'm still not following, apologies. Could you please expand? I don't want to make assumptions. Salt is not compatible for some with regards to blood pressure. In some cases, restricting salt can be sufficient to lower it, so it is frequently the first suggestions doctors make when your blood pressure increases. I honestly think pills and surgery can be extremely useful. I like a lot of different potential tools for different situations. My family just has such bad reactions to a broad spectrum of pills, it means we approach prescribed medication very hesitantly. We take medicines if it seems critical, it's how we find out we're violently allergic to many common medicines. One uncle is seriously screwed when it comes to surgery. Last I heard, he couldn't handle any painkiller the hospital tested, none of them. I'm just also surprised at how extreme conventional prescriptions can be for mild stuff. The one of the latest ones was last year DH got a check up when he was getting immunized to go to Peru, and out of 36 factors, was only off on vitamin D. The man is stupid healthy. The doctor prescribed megadose pills with 35,000 UI of vitamin D, to be taken once every 10 days. All I could think was "he's not that off of the listed optimum numbers. Can't we start with him eating lunch outside or food or something first? Why risk throwing off that great balance he's got with mega dose smashes?" I just got the impression Pants was suggesting I was deeply against all conventional medicine, and that's not the case. My and family and I just view conventional medicine as extremely concentrated/powerful, and prone to complications because of that, so given our allergies we deeply prefer to start with softer methods if possible.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 31, 2016 15:35:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure pants was being funny. What with the "truckload of salt" that she quoted and her ending her response with a jokey face.
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Post by Pants on Mar 31, 2016 15:57:31 GMT -5
Unless you have high blood pressure. Ack, I've been pondering it, but I'm still not following, apologies. Could you please expand? I don't want to make assumptions. Your last line was a truckload of salt. You were talking about food being medicine. Salt is bad for high blood pressure. It was a throwaway comment, just playing around!
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Post by Pants on Mar 31, 2016 16:03:08 GMT -5
Salt is not compatible for some with regards to blood pressure. In some cases, restricting salt can be sufficient to lower it, so it is frequently the first suggestions doctors make when your blood pressure increases. I honestly think pills and surgery can be extremely useful. I like a lot of different potential tools for different situations. My family just has such bad reactions to a broad spectrum of pills, it means we approach prescribed medication very hesitantly. We take medicines if it seems critical, it's how we find out we're violently allergic to many common medicines. One uncle is seriously screwed when it comes to surgery. Last I heard, he couldn't handle any painkiller the hospital tested, none of them. I'm just also surprised at how extreme conventional prescriptions can be for mild stuff. The one of the latest ones was last year DH got a check up when he was getting immunized to go to Peru, and out of 36 factors, was only off on vitamin D. The man is stupid healthy. The doctor prescribed megadose pills with 35,000 UI of vitamin D, to be taken once every 10 days. All I could think was "he's not that off of the listed optimum numbers. Can't we start with him eating lunch outside or food or something first? Why risk throwing off that great balance he's got with mega dose smashes?" I just got the impression Pants was suggesting I was deeply against all conventional medicine, and that's not the case. My and family and I just view conventional medicine as extremely concentrated/powerful, and prone to complications because of that, so given our allergies we deeply prefer to start with softer methods if possible.Oh, no. I can get pretty rabid about this stuff, sometimes. But today talking about health and food as medicine and ending your post with taking a bunch of salt made me giggle.
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Post by Pants on Mar 31, 2016 16:04:42 GMT -5
(I'm re-reading my posts and I can't tell whether or not it sounds like I'm be an asshole. I'm not trying to be, was honestly being punny!) (In this particular thread, anyway.)
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 31, 2016 16:18:00 GMT -5
(I'm re-reading my posts and I can't tell whether or not it sounds like I'm be an asshole. I'm not trying to be, was honestly being punny!) (In this particular thread, anyway.) I got it! "Truckload of salt"?!?! That joke was handed to you!
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 31, 2016 16:25:17 GMT -5
My doctor told me to eat more salt. My BP is very, very low. When it's hot and humid out, I've been known to pass out.
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Post by copperboxes on Mar 31, 2016 16:26:57 GMT -5
(I'm re-reading my posts and I can't tell whether or not it sounds like I'm be an asshole. I'm not trying to be, was honestly being punny!) (In this particular thread, anyway.) Lol, no worries on your side. I usually have to sort of logically scan things for the possibility of humor, and had a different idea of what the emoticon meant. I usually think of it as a more serious and resigned one rather than teasing, so I misunderstood, thinking it was probably a serious comment. Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate you bearing with my broken humor-sensor ETA: It is quite good now that it's pointed out. My first reaction when Cookies posted was "oh! That makes sense!" I actually looked up "gullible" in the dictionary to prove that it was there though... so yeah... don't feel worried that I missed it
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 31, 2016 16:29:20 GMT -5
My doctor told me to eat more salt. My BP is very, very low. When it's hot and humid out, I've been known to pass out. I'm eating my pre-run chips and salsa now! Lol.
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