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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 18:42:01 GMT -5
GEL, FWIW I see completely understand the hypocrisy and cheerleading you're talking about. It just isn't evident in this thread AT ALL. You ganged up on Swamp and stirred shit up for basically no reason. And the conservatives on here have their cheerleaders too. You know that. One person cannot "gang up" on anybody. A gang is more than one. She was insulting. I responded. Just like you would if somebody insulted something/someone you care about. I'm sorry you think it was for no reason. I don't agree. It may be nothing to you and I understand that. It's not nothing to me. I wish that people could sometimes think beyond themselves and consider others. This thread made me do that.
I was all with the pro-confederate flag until I read this thread. I am from the South. I know what the flag is supposed to mean. It wasn't supposed to mean hatred. I stood by that. Then I read this thread. The same thing happened with the swastika. It's no longer a symbol of what it was originally about. It now is a symbol of hatred, pain and horror. I get that. What used to be is no more. Now, I could no more fly a flag that caused pain to others than I could paint a swastika on my door.
Sometimes, consideration of others despite your own feelings is the way to go.
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -5
Pssst, it was a riff on GEL's pop culture reference from one page back. Where she said Swamp's post sounded like "something stupid Kanye would say", Nope, no personal insult there. I barely know who the man is. I'm ignorant of all things Kanye. My point stands, regardless. Many of the contributors in this thread have soft spots. I know because I've seen them cry out and gnash their teeth with my own eyes. GEL is a wildwoman. She'll bide her time until a particularly bitter debate over a progressive icon crops up on the board and then--bam!--a joke about Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the head. Tempers will flare, hackles will rise, claws and fangs will come out, and it will all be for naught. GEL will post a link to this thread demonstrating members' total antipathy towards her objections to Jesus jokes and expose the "how dare you..." bluster for the hypocrisy it is. She'll do it. I know she will. She's crazy like a honey badger. ... unless you demonstrate that you do care about her objections and aren't in the habit of irritating people when it isn't central to the argument you're trying to make. We can only hope it will calm her down enough to turn away her wrath. It won't. I have to go to a stupid trivia contest with my mother. Well...I don't HAVE to but if I don't, I'll be daughter non grata for the next 6 months. So...I will become increasingly agitated as the night progresses.
And for what it's worth, you dang right I will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 18:51:30 GMT -5
If anything I thought she was insulting the person who would say Jeeebus. Not insulting Jesus...
Sometimes, and not on this board, thinking politics now... I think it's those who most profess their devotion who actually would insult Jesus most...
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2016 19:44:54 GMT -5
I'd be interested in knowing how this guys employees feel once he's gone.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 19:52:01 GMT -5
I'd be interested in knowing how this guys employees feel once he's gone. Same as they feel now just able to say how they feel now.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2016 19:53:22 GMT -5
But will they or just feel relieved. I can't believe the guy had swastikas. That still floors me.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 26, 2016 19:57:43 GMT -5
But will they or just feel relieved. I can't believe the guy had swastikas. That still floors me. ditto.
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 26, 2016 20:16:20 GMT -5
Well, that was an interesting turn in the convo...
Here's the update from the company side. We had corporate legal look into removing him overall. Once word got out that we were taking a deeper look into him, staff came forward in numbers to express some egregious history and behavior that he's engaged in. We opted to pay the balance of his contract and send him into early retirement. He wasn't very happy about it, but it was carefully explained that this was his get out of jail free card and he could go now and quietly or there would be other outcomes that would be far less favorable. The staff has been much happier the last two days since he's been gone. What a cancer he was to the organization.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 26, 2016 20:18:18 GMT -5
Thank you for coming back and letting us curious folk know.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 26, 2016 20:18:59 GMT -5
This is actually very interesting to me. So what reason was he given?
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 26, 2016 20:24:39 GMT -5
This is actually very interesting to me. So what reason was he given? Sexual harassment, discrimination, unlawful handling of finances, and those are just some of the items I am personally aware of. There was speculation about bribery and some other scandalous behavior that would be quite damaging to us from the regulatory body of my industry. That info was corroborated by other people outside of the company, which was just horrendous. If we knew then what we know now, we would not have acquired.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 26, 2016 20:28:06 GMT -5
Oh OK, so not the swasticas, right?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2016 20:28:44 GMT -5
Well, that was an interesting turn in the convo... Here's the update from the company side. We had corporate legal look into removing him overall. Once word got out that we were taking a deeper look into him, staff came forward in numbers to express some egregious history and behavior that he's engaged in. We opted to pay the balance of his contract and send him into early retirement. He wasn't very happy about it, but it was carefully explained that this was his get out of jail free card and he could go now and quietly or there would be other outcomes that would be far less favorable. The staff has been much happier the last two days since he's been gone. What a cancer he was to the organization. A nut job and a crook. What a combo
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 26, 2016 20:30:37 GMT -5
Oh OK, so not the swasticas, right? Yes and no. Yes because it was part and parcel to the discrimination piece, and no because the simple act of possessing the memorabilia was not grounds for his removal.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 26, 2016 22:21:53 GMT -5
Well, that was an interesting turn in the convo... Here's the update from the company side. We had corporate legal look into removing him overall. Once word got out that we were taking a deeper look into him, staff came forward in numbers to express some egregious history and behavior that he's engaged in. We opted to pay the balance of his contract and send him into early retirement. He wasn't very happy about it, but it was carefully explained that this was his get out of jail free card and he could go now and quietly or there would be other outcomes that would be far less favorable. The staff has been much happier the last two days since he's been gone. What a cancer he was to the organization. Well thank Jeebus that's over!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 29, 2016 13:24:41 GMT -5
lol...as predicted.. You don't get it at all yet you feel free to mock those who you think don't get it. I'm going to bookmark this so that whenever one of you takes exception to something somebody says that you feel strongly about, I fully intend to stick your nose in it.
The mods won't do a thing. Since they don't agree there IS a Lord and Savior (most of them), they have no issues with Him being insulted and made fun of. That's not true, GEL. I think most of us agree there is a "Lord and Savior" who is very real to many, many people. That, alone, makes Him real. He's real to you and He's real to all other believers. Because I don't adhere to the same beliefs should not, in any way, lessen His meaning, nor His reality to you and others who believe. I'm positive you'll never find anything from me that denigrates another's spiritual beliefs, no matter what those beliefs may be. If they're right for that individual, they're right - and they're real. We will act on personal, direct insults to other posters. General insults, not so much. Otherwise, we'd have to remove insults to Democrats, Republicans, meat-eaters, welfare families, SAHPs and who knows who else.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 13:30:21 GMT -5
I hate the fact that symbols have been twisted to have another meaning entirely than the original intent. That being said, I'd no more fly a swastika at work than I would a confederate flag. It's bound to upset someone and why do that?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 13:32:42 GMT -5
The Hindu swastika faces right. The Nazi swastika faces left.
Not a distinction most people know. We visited a Hindu temple while in Borneo and several members of our group got into hysterics over seeing swastikas. Our guide had to shut them up quick and explain the difference.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 29, 2016 13:51:47 GMT -5
This is actually very interesting to me. So what reason was he given? Sexual harassment, discrimination, unlawful handling of finances, and those are just some of the items I am personally aware of. There was speculation about bribery and some other scandalous behavior that would be quite damaging to us from the regulatory body of my industry. That info was corroborated by other people outside of the company, which was just horrendous. If we knew then what we know now, we would not have acquired. wow! how had he lasted that long, in this day and age?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 29, 2016 13:51:59 GMT -5
I've never once accused you or any mod of denigrating another's beliefs. That has nothing to do with my complaint and isn't what I said. I don't think it's right that you throw that in there when I never said it. It's almost as if you are justifying doing nothing by adding in stuff that never happened. I know you better than that, and you know it. I know you don't do that.
You all feel free to send those of faith who wish to talk about it to another board because talking about religion causes fights. I have no problem with that because I agree. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation when people are constantly fighting. Along with that relegation to an obscure board, there ought to be some consideration given to those who knowingly insult (and yes...it's a direct insult in my opinion) people of faith on the regular boards. Heck...I'm surprised I didn't get a warning for responding and saying something about religion on a regular board.
I get to take offense whether you agree or not. I took offense to someone, back a long time ago, to calling Mrs. Obama names because of they way they thought she looks. That's not a personal insult to someone here - just somebody who knows better being a total idiot. I get to take offense to this, too. I realize that doesn't mean anything will be done about it, but I get to say so. And I intend to when I see it. You get to speak out when you are offended and so do I.
As for the part of my post that said you all wouldn't do anything about it because...blah, blah, blah....I should apologize. You won't do anything about it because you don't feel it is a violation even though I have explained it is a personal insult to me. Think how you would react if someone called your father...or mother....something insulting. You might take that as a personal insult and so do I. I shouldn't have accused any of you of the other. I wrote it when I was mad and that's no excuse. I do apologize because that's the right thing to do when you say something stupid that's offensive and insulting.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 13:54:09 GMT -5
The Hindu swastika faces right. The Nazi swastika faces left. Not a distinction most people know. We visited a Hindu temple while in Borneo and several members of our group got into hysterics over seeing swastikas. Our guide had to shut them up quick and explain the difference. Did not know that. Thank you.
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Post by swamp on Feb 29, 2016 13:57:13 GMT -5
The Hindu swastika faces right. The Nazi swastika faces left. Not a distinction most people know. We visited a Hindu temple while in Borneo and several members of our group got into hysterics over seeing swastikas. Our guide had to shut them up quick and explain the difference. Did not know that. Thank you. I learn something here every day.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 29, 2016 16:34:12 GMT -5
The Hindu swastika faces right. The Nazi swastika faces left. Not a distinction most people know. We visited a Hindu temple while in Borneo and several members of our group got into hysterics over seeing swastikas. Our guide had to shut them up quick and explain the difference. So glad you pointed that out. I meant to do so yesterday and completely forgot about it. Thanks!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 29, 2016 16:44:59 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of the misspelled reference to Jesus as an insult to someone's family member, Green Eyed Lady. I see where you're coming from now. The problem with that, however, is we'd then be responsible for every less-than-flattering reference to Allah, or to Vishna, or to the Torah ... I think you'll see my point just as I see yours. We differ in that I don't take personal offense to things said here unless it's particularly egregious and pointed directly at me. That rarely happens. I don't expect others to think as I do, or believe as I do, so I don't take offense when they don't. I'll brush it off because I don't feel it's meant to offend me. It's just someone speaking from their point of view - which is different than my point of view. That's how I view the things that were said here. You see it differently. I can accept that and even understand it.
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Post by debthaven on Feb 29, 2016 17:56:52 GMT -5
All through this thread I've wondered ... I suppose since he was president / owner there were no Jews employed there?
A (Jewish) friend about my age told me about going on a business trip to Germany with her parents when she was a child, and their shock at seeing swastikas at the company her dad was doing business with. But in 2016?! I'm absolutely floored by this.
I'm glad he's gone for the employees' sake, but I wish he could have been held responsible for the things he did.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 1, 2016 9:45:59 GMT -5
All through this thread I've wondered ... I suppose since he was president / owner there were no Jews employed there? A (Jewish) friend about my age told me about going on a business trip to Germany with her parents when she was a child, and their shock at seeing swastikas at the company her dad was doing business with. But in 2016?! I'm absolutely floored by this. I'm glad he's gone for the employees' sake, but I wish he could have been held responsible for the things he did. Depending on which poll you believe, the neo-Nazi movement (and movements with similar doctrines) comprises 7-15% of the German population. That number has been rising steadily during this Syrian migrant crisis.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Mar 1, 2016 10:00:28 GMT -5
All through this thread I've wondered ... I suppose since he was president / owner there were no Jews employed there? A (Jewish) friend about my age told me about going on a business trip to Germany with her parents when she was a child, and their shock at seeing swastikas at the company her dad was doing business with. But in 2016?! I'm absolutely floored by this. I'm glad he's gone for the employees' sake, but I wish he could have been held responsible for the things he did. Depending on which poll you believe, the neo-Nazi movement (and movements with similar doctrines) comprises 7-15% of the German population. That number has been rising steadily during this Syrian migrant crisis. <<crosses Germany off the international travel list>>
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Post by tloonya on Mar 1, 2016 14:15:01 GMT -5
Yes, but some things are inappropriate no matter how they're intended or what the history and reason is. To bring in my "favorite" example... you can be the best corporate attorney on the planet but if you show up to court wearing a pink tube top, it's not appropriate. Doesn't matter if the top technically covers all your naughty bits and you didn't mean anything disrespectful by it, you just hadn't done laundry last night and it was the only thing left in the drawer. Absolutely Would that cover the subject of tattoos as well? If your ink is coming out of the business suit - no position for you at the meeting table!
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Post by verrip1 on Mar 2, 2016 14:17:33 GMT -5
Well, that was an interesting turn in the convo... Here's the update from the company side. We had corporate legal look into removing him overall. Once word got out that we were taking a deeper look into him, staff came forward in numbers to express some egregious history and behavior that he's engaged in. We opted to pay the balance of his contract and send him into early retirement. He wasn't very happy about it, but it was carefully explained that this was his get out of jail free card and he could go now and quietly or there would be other outcomes that would be far less favorable. The staff has been much happier the last two days since he's been gone. What a cancer he was to the organization. If being headed by a nazi wasn't bad enough, the president also committed a number of felonies that staff knew about? Due diligence certainly missed its goal on this acquisition.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 2, 2016 15:02:15 GMT -5
GEL, FWIW I see completely understand the hypocrisy and cheerleading you're talking about. It just isn't evident in this thread AT ALL. You ganged up on Swamp and stirred shit up for basically no reason. And the conservatives on here have their cheerleaders too. You know that. HOW THE HECK HAS THIS THREAD GONE SO OFF TRACK? And how the heck did Gel GANG UP all by her lonesome on anyone? Gel had a very honest response to a thread post that was inappropiate, even if the poster was joking and many people immediately went after Gel. The ganging up has been by the usual suspects. Swamp's callous and uncalled for deliberate destruction of a specific name is the problem. Sorry only Virgil was here to present an honest argument of the events here as they unfolded. And now back to Swastikas! And maybe Donald Trump. Surprised a certain mod has not showed up and locked the damn thread because two people were going after each other. threats on the P&M board happen when two members go after each other..... Watch this post get moved pronto! I am not bashing a mod, only stating what is warned to happen on another board here.
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