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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 26, 2016 8:01:33 GMT -5
Please keep us posted, if you can, if any of thestaff express happiness with the former owner and his swastikas gone. I'm curious.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 26, 2016 9:14:13 GMT -5
Curious.
Does anyone know whether US courts have generally ruled that keeping things like "I Vote Republican" stickers, "Pride" flags, foreign national flags, etc. in plain view in one's office is protected free speech?
To me, the same standard would be applicable to Nazi memorabilia. Specifically, I'd expect that Nazi memorabilia would be protected if any of the above are protected.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2016 9:43:01 GMT -5
Curious. Does anyone know whether US courts have generally ruled that keeping things like "I Vote Republican" stickers, "Pride" flags, foreign national flags, etc. in plain view in one's office is protected free speech? To me, the same standard would be applicable to Nazi memorabilia. Specifically, I'd expect that Nazi memorabilia would be protected if any of the above are protected. The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats.
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Post by Pants on Feb 26, 2016 9:47:56 GMT -5
Curious. Does anyone know whether US courts have generally ruled that keeping things like "I Vote Republican" stickers, "Pride" flags, foreign national flags, etc. in plain view in one's office is protected free speech? To me, the same standard would be applicable to Nazi memorabilia. Specifically, I'd expect that Nazi memorabilia would be protected if any of the above are protected. The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats. It drives me nuts when people say things like "I called my supervisor a fat bitch and they fired me! They can't do that, that's my freedom of speech!!!" Umm. No. That's not how any of this works.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 26, 2016 9:55:30 GMT -5
Curious. Does anyone know whether US courts have generally ruled that keeping things like "I Vote Republican" stickers, "Pride" flags, foreign national flags, etc. in plain view in one's office is protected free speech? To me, the same standard would be applicable to Nazi memorabilia. Specifically, I'd expect that Nazi memorabilia would be protected if any of the above are protected. The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats. I know what the theory states. I also know that private workplaces can't ban anything they want to. A litany of things have earned protected status over the years. It doesn't seem unreasonable that "symbols indicating political, religious, or ideological affiliation" might have made their way in. There's also the obvious aspect of discrimination. This fellow could go around the office and compile a photodocumentary of symbols, stickers, flags, etc. openly displayed by other employees, take the company to court, and handily prove that the company's "no political symbols" policy pertained specifically to the symbols of his "heritage". Discrimination, plain and simple. Whether or not the courts permit this kind of discrimination is what I want to know.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2016 9:57:16 GMT -5
The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats. It drives me nuts when people say things like "I called my supervisor a fat bitch and they fired me! They can't do that, that's my freedom of speech!!!" Umm. No. That's not how any of this works. Real life: We had an employee yell at her manager "Fuck you, you koochie-eatin' mother-fucker" after being told to get off a personal phone call and back to work. Not a very bright employee but smart enough to know appealing her termination would be futile.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 26, 2016 9:58:09 GMT -5
The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats. It drives me nuts when people say things like "I called my supervisor a fat bitch and they fired me! They can't do that, that's my freedom of speech!!!" Umm. No. That's not how any of this works. Just be glad she can't sue you for "assault" and demand compensation for emotional damages.... yet.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2016 10:20:02 GMT -5
The first amendment refers to the ability to speak and peacefully assemble freely without fear of persecution by the GOVERNMENT. It has nothing to do with private entities (read: workplaces) allowing them or not. Open a US government text book (or hell, just go on wikipedia) and have several seats. I know what the theory states. I also know that private workplaces can't ban anything they want to. A litany of things have earned protected status over the years. It doesn't seem unreasonable that "symbols indicating political, religious, or ideological affiliation" might have made their way in. There's also the obvious aspect of discrimination. This fellow could go around the office and compile a photodocumentary of symbols, stickers, flags, etc. openly displayed by other employees, take the company to court, and handily prove that the company's "no political symbols" policy pertained specifically to the symbols of his "heritage". Discrimination, plain and simple. Whether or not the courts permit this kind of discrimination is what I want to know. what has earned protected status? Do you mean stuff like allowing Muslim women to wear hijabs to work? Because that's a little different than a hanging a crucifix or a poster that says "Hail Hitler!" in your cubicle.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 26, 2016 10:24:03 GMT -5
I worked with a guy who had crosses all over his cubicle - Virgil Showlion is that what you are talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 13:54:47 GMT -5
My local small town DMV, guy has a giant photo of Jesus on his wall for all to view while waiting. In fact, it's bigger than the "official" photo of the state's governor on the wall...
Apparently Jesus is acceptable in a government office in CA? I'm sure if it was an Arabic depiction of Allah it would be "offensive"?
As an atheist, I wish people would leave ALL of their religion out of my government.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:05:58 GMT -5
My local small town DMV, guy has a giant photo of Jesus on his wall for all to view while waiting. In fact, it's bigger than the "official" photo of the state's governor on the wall... Apparently Jesus is acceptable in a government office in CA? I'm sure if it was an Arabic depiction of Allah it would be "offensive"? As an atheist, I wish people would leave ALL of their religion out of my government. Jeebus is what makes 'Murica great. It's right there in the constitution.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2016 14:07:20 GMT -5
My local small town DMV, guy has a giant photo of Jesus on his wall for all to view while waiting. In fact, it's bigger than the "official" photo of the state's governor on the wall... Apparently Jesus is acceptable in a government office in CA? I'm sure if it was an Arabic depiction of Allah it would be "offensive"? As an atheist, I wish people would leave ALL of their religion out of my government. Are you sure it isn't Jesus, the DMV's Mexican Gardener?
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:08:16 GMT -5
Jesus is a blue eyed white dude.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 14:13:29 GMT -5
Who is Jeebus? Is that another name Kanye has adopted? Please don't tell me you are quoting something Kanye says. It sounds like something stupid he would say.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2016 14:13:47 GMT -5
Jesus is a saucy Latin bowler.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:16:40 GMT -5
Who is Jeebus? Is that another name Kanye has adopted? Please don't tell me you are quoting something Kanye says. It sounds like something stupid he would say. Jeebus is a mocking way of making fun of those who believe that Jesus's teachings (or how they are interpreted by them) should be the basis for our government and really can't understand the need or reason for the separation of church and state.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 14:18:07 GMT -5
So...why don't you just say Jesus? And why do you, of all people, feel superior enough to anyone to mock them?
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:19:16 GMT -5
So...why don't you just say Jesus? And why do you, of all people, feel superior enough to anyone to knock them? Strong religious faith is a wonderful thing. Strong religious faith that someone wants to impose on my is not. I will continue to mock them because they failed basic civics class.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2016 14:19:26 GMT -5
Jesus is a blue eyed white dude. not if he was born in the Middle East. But that's a whole other conversation.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 26, 2016 14:21:06 GMT -5
Jesus is a blue eyed white dude. All the pictures around here are brown eyed white dudes. I think. I admit, it's been a while since I bothered to really look.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:21:27 GMT -5
Jesus is a blue eyed white dude. not if he was born in the Middle East. But that's a whole other conversation. exactly.
however, many pictures depict him otherwise.
There seems to be a huge lack of information on who Jesus was and where he came from. And what he taught. That whole "love one another and take care of the poor" message seems to have been lost in translation.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2016 14:22:02 GMT -5
Jesus is a blue eyed white dude. not if he was born in the Middle East. But that's a whole other conversation. he was also born to a virgin. I am sure that God could have made him a blue eyed white dude if he wanted to. (and he did want to).
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 14:22:50 GMT -5
So...why don't you just say Jesus? And why do you, of all people, feel superior enough to anyone to knock them? Strong religious faith is a wonderful thing. Strong religious faith that someone wants to impose on my is not. I will continue to mock them because they failed basic civics class. What about people like me, who don't want to impose anything on anyone? Do I, too, deserve to be subjected to your mockery? What about people like me who do believe in the teachings of Jesus but still agree in a separation of church and state? How about I just call all attornies blood sucking douches who aren't smart enough to do real work?
Not very nice, is it?
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:23:27 GMT -5
not if he was born in the Middle East. But that's a whole other conversation. he was also born to a virgin. I am sure that God could have made him a blue eyed white dude if he wanted to. (and he did want to). that would be mean. it would make him very sun sensitive. Not a good quality in the desert.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:24:06 GMT -5
Strong religious faith is a wonderful thing. Strong religious faith that someone wants to impose on my is not. I will continue to mock them because they failed basic civics class. What about people like me, who don't want to impose anything on anyone? Do I, too, deserve to be subjected to your mockery? What about people like me who do believe in the teachings of Jesus but still agree in a separation of church and state? How about I just call all attornies blood sucking douches who aren't smart enough to do real work?
Not very nice, is it?
You're not the one I'm directing it at. You don't call him Jeebus.
You can call me whatever what you. I don't care.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2016 14:26:04 GMT -5
not if he was born in the Middle East. But that's a whole other conversation. he was also born to a virgin. I am sure that God could have made him a blue eyed white dude if he wanted to. (and he did want to). well the one girl in "The Craft" changed her eyes from blue to brown, so I guess Jesus could have been born with blue eyes.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2016 14:26:17 GMT -5
he was also born to a virgin. I am sure that God could have made him a blue eyed white dude if he wanted to. (and he did want to). that would be mean. it would make him very sun sensitive. Not a good quality in the desert. God also made his skin impervious to the sun's evil rays.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2016 14:27:54 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you anything. I have more class than to insult someone I don't even know. It might be a good time for you to have some class and say, "You know? I shouldn't have said that. It was insulting and there was no reason for it." But you won't...because you are Swamp and you are never wrong. In fact, now that you have your little cheering section, I'm sure it will continue. And I'll get told I should just stay out of the thread if I don't like the insulting and classless behavior.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2016 14:29:15 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you anything. I have more class than to insult someone I don't even know. It might be a good time for you to have some class and say, "You know? I shouldn't have said that. It was insulting and there was no reason for it." But you won't...because you are Swamp and you are never wrong. In fact, now that you have your little cheering section, I'm sure it will continue. And I'll get told I should just stay out of the thread if I don't like the insulting and classless behavior. Not sure why you think I'm never wrong. I am.
If the mods want to smack me, they can.
Not sure why you're looking for a fight.
Have a nice day.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2016 14:31:14 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you anything. I have more class than to insult someone I don't even know. It might be a good time for you to have some class and say, "You know? I shouldn't have said that. It was insulting and there was no reason for it." But you won't...because you are Swamp and you are never wrong. In fact, now that you have your little cheering section, I'm sure it will continue. And I'll get told I should just stay out of the thread if I don't like the insulting and classless behavior. wow. You should really strain the pee out of your Cheerios. Or better yet, just the whole bowl in the garbage and pour yourself some new cereal. Preferably something with a lot of fiber.
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