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Post by mcsangel2 on Feb 15, 2016 17:11:03 GMT -5
I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of other peoples' beliefs? You can believe whatever you want. But, if you are working for me, if your beliefs include thinking the Nazis were A-OK, you will shut up about those beliefs in front of the customers.
ETA: Yes, I am intolerant of those who gassed 5 million people. I'm OK with that.
11 million.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2016 17:13:55 GMT -5
I remember DH and I having a discussion about 12 million people just gone-poof. Because it's such a huge number it's so hard to fathom. I'm in no way a holocaust denier but all those people. It still blows my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:53:36 GMT -5
Was it a hostile takeover, or was it peaceful? Unless you always met off-site, at some point, someone involved (like Archie speculated) MUST have seen this owner's decor. It is very interesting to imagine that someone sat in that office surrounded by that stuff and still negotiated to purchase the entity. Why? I'd have no problem buying a business from someone whose hateful politics I deplore. I'd feel as if I were freeing it from his grasp and providing a better work environment for the employees.
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 15, 2016 21:56:32 GMT -5
Was it a hostile takeover, or was it peaceful. Unless you always met off-site, at some point, someone involved (like Archie speculated) MUST have seen this owner's decor. It is very interesting to imagine that someone sat in that office surrounded by that stuff and still negotiated to purchase the entity. So the value of the entity, interestingly enough, soared above the image being projected. Maybe he has a button that flips all the panels around to show pictures of eagles and American flags. I'm sick and inappropriate so if I'd walked into that office, I'd probably have started doing what John Cleese did in that one fateful Faulty Towers scene. Actually, deals in my industry never happen in the primary office. It unsettles the staff and if it doesn't go through, further makes people upset. We invite them to our offices or meet in neutral territory. In this case, we never saw it until we finished the deal. He's quite a pleasant and charming person. Now if I had met his wife before the deal was done, it would have been blatantly obvious. The staff has been subjected to some weird shit in that company over the years. This was among the least of their issues. His items are still in the office. Our corporate legal is investigating it because he's now been reported to the company whistleblower/ethics team for other "insightful" behavior. The staff never had the backing to address these things before.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2016 22:00:09 GMT -5
Was it a hostile takeover, or was it peaceful. Unless you always met off-site, at some point, someone involved (like Archie speculated) MUST have seen this owner's decor. It is very interesting to imagine that someone sat in that office surrounded by that stuff and still negotiated to purchase the entity. So the value of the entity, interestingly enough, soared above the image being projected. Maybe he has a button that flips all the panels around to show pictures of eagles and American flags. I'm sick and inappropriate so if I'd walked into that office, I'd probably have started doing what John Cleese did in that one fateful Faulty Towers scene. Actually, deals in my industry never happen in the primary office. It unsettles the staff and if it doesn't go through, further makes people upset. We invite them to our offices or meet in neutral territory. In this case, we never saw it until we finished the deal. He's quite a pleasant and charming person. Now if I had met his wife before the deal was done, it would have been blatantly obvious. The staff has been subjected to some weird shit in that company over the years. This was among the least of their issues. His items are still in the office. Our corporate legal is investigating it because he's now been reported to the company whistleblower/ethics team for other "insightful" behavior. The staff never had the backing to address these things before. Yup, he's nuts.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Feb 16, 2016 0:19:21 GMT -5
To answer some questions, he was the President and owner of the shop we bought. We're paying him a consulting fee to transition everything. He'll be gone in a few months. I saw them and without a filter, I asked him about them. His reply was that he is German and takes great pride in his history. So I asked if he has Mein Kampf in his library and supports the genocide Hitler imposed. I really didn't think about it before I said it and he replied that he does support Hitler's history and the pride of the Aryan nation. And yes, he has the book. I immediately told him that this "memorabilia" has no place in the office and I got corporate involved as that's who he effectively reports to under his agreement. I think he's nuts. It's not the stuff that bothers me, it's the underlying feelings he clearly has and how that impacts my (new) staff. Many of which are not blond haired or blue eyed. Girl, you've got some ovaries! I love how you handled it.
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Post by lund on Feb 16, 2016 5:50:01 GMT -5
I get angry when I hear about this kind of persons.
My family is non-Jewish, but I also have relatives who perished in German camps. I am glad that swastikas, heils, and other signs and behaviors from that era are not only illegal, but punishable, and often severely so, in many European countries.
And yes, several relatives of mine were educated in Germany, both before and after WW2, and some relatives are married to Germans. Being of German ancestry, ethnicity, or cultural heritage is very different from being nazi/neonazi/aryan/white supremacy.
I like company policies which forbid such things that imply allegiance to these "beliefs"(here, they just have to refer to following the law). To me, it is just like having a Daesh/IS flag flying - completely unacceptable support for a murderous and illegal terror organization.
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Post by milee on Feb 16, 2016 8:01:00 GMT -5
In this case, we never saw it until we finished the deal. He's quite a pleasant and charming person. Now if I had met his wife before the deal was done, it would have been blatantly obvious.
Does the wife have a Hitler mustache?!? You can't dangle something like this and then not share...
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 16, 2016 8:01:06 GMT -5
well, it WAS his property until he sold to moneymaven's company. Or however they acquired it. Right, and, now, he gets to take his swastikas and leave. Forever. yep. And if he wants to start up another company and decorate that office with them, he can. I don't agree with him and it sounds like moneymaven did a good job of handling the situation.
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 17, 2016 7:02:12 GMT -5
In this case, we never saw it until we finished the deal. He's quite a pleasant and charming person. Now if I had met his wife before the deal was done, it would have been blatantly obvious.
Does the wife have a Hitler mustache?!? You can't dangle something like this and then not share... Well, you know those people who's anger seethes from every pore? Where you can just feel the hate oozing out? She's that person. I don't want to go into detail but she has made some jaw dropping comments about people's ethnicity, suggested thoughts about their national origin and made additional commentary about it in a derogatory fashion. Again, whenever I've been present for such things, it's been truncated but she is relentless and full of hatred.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 17, 2016 7:58:22 GMT -5
Some of you wouldn't have lasted a day at the IBM of the 80s. Absolutely no personalization allowed in offices and cubicles. Desks had to be clear and empty at the end of the work day. Everyone wore navy and charcoal grey suits with white shirts and power ties. Every worker bee appeared just like every other worker bee. You couldn't have a picture of your newborn baby on your desk, never mind a display of swastikas. I don't see the problem. You become property during work hours just like the sign on the door in exchange for an income and hopefully some benefits. It's the tradeoff of capitalism, if you choose to practice capitalism. I never had ANY personal items on my desk when I worked. First, I never considered my work the kind of space where I would want to have personal things and second - I never needed any of my coworkers to know anything personal about me. You can tell all kinds of things about people by the crap they keep. My new boss just asked me if I am going to bring the pics of the kids and put it on my desk. Ummm - nope, I know what they look like, I don't need anyone else to.
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Post by yogiii on Feb 17, 2016 8:00:32 GMT -5
Some of you wouldn't have lasted a day at the IBM of the 80s. Absolutely no personalization allowed in offices and cubicles. Desks had to be clear and empty at the end of the work day. Everyone wore navy and charcoal grey suits with white shirts and power ties. Every worker bee appeared just like every other worker bee. You couldn't have a picture of your newborn baby on your desk, never mind a display of swastikas. I don't see the problem. You become property during work hours just like the sign on the door in exchange for an income and hopefully some benefits. It's the tradeoff of capitalism, if you choose to practice capitalism. I never had ANY personal items on my desk when I worked. First, I never considered my work the kind of space where I would want to have personal things and second - I never needed any of my coworkers to know anything personal about me. You can tell all kinds of things about people by the crap they keep. My new boss just asked me if I am going to bring the pics of the kids and put it on my desk. Ummm - nope, I know what they look like, I don't need anyone else to. Wow, I thought I was the only heartless Mom with no kid pics out there.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 17, 2016 8:02:32 GMT -5
yogiii - I can assure you, you are not the only one
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 17, 2016 8:08:15 GMT -5
Some of you wouldn't have lasted a day at the IBM of the 80s. Absolutely no personalization allowed in offices and cubicles. Desks had to be clear and empty at the end of the work day. Everyone wore navy and charcoal grey suits with white shirts and power ties. Every worker bee appeared just like every other worker bee. You couldn't have a picture of your newborn baby on your desk, never mind a display of swastikas. I don't see the problem. You become property during work hours just like the sign on the door in exchange for an income and hopefully some benefits. It's the tradeoff of capitalism, if you choose to practice capitalism. I never had ANY personal items on my desk when I worked. First, I never considered my work the kind of space where I would want to have personal things and second - I never needed any of my coworkers to know anything personal about me. You can tell all kinds of things about people by the crap they keep. My new boss just asked me if I am going to bring the pics of the kids and put it on my desk. Ummm - nope, I know what they look like, I don't need anyone else to. Same here. But mainly because if I got pissed and wanted to walk, I didn't have to think about crap I might leave behind. I just had to pick up my purse and head out the door - easy peasy
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2016 9:42:02 GMT -5
I have pictures of the kids on my desk. They've kept me from quitting more than once.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 17, 2016 10:04:40 GMT -5
If I'm going to spend most of my waking hours at work, I need something other than empty cubicle walls and my computer screen to look at.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 17, 2016 10:29:43 GMT -5
People like this make me sad. On the other hand, I'd love for him to catch me touching every single thing in his office and rolling around on his desk.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 17, 2016 10:30:09 GMT -5
yogiii - I can assure you, you are not the only one waot, you're working and no longer get the sahm? How'd I miss this?!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 17, 2016 10:34:08 GMT -5
If I'm going to spend most of my waking hours at work, I need something other than empty cubicle walls and my computer screen to look at. Maybe if I had worked in a cubicle I might have felt a little different. But always had office with windows, plants and really pretty pictures on the walls. But still had that "if I want to drag up in a hurry don't want to think about what to take" mentality.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 17, 2016 10:35:57 GMT -5
yogiii - I can assure you, you are not the only one waot, you're working and no longer get the sahm? How'd I miss this?! I was thinking the same thing! LOL
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 17, 2016 10:55:42 GMT -5
Oh my goodness the list of things I keep in my cube! Pictures, random trinkets from people, race medals, coffee mug, French press, toothbrush and assorted personal care items, shoes, blanket, sweater, a New Kids lunchbox. I can throw it all in a box if needed, though. I've moved plenty of times in this office.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 17, 2016 11:54:47 GMT -5
If I'm going to spend most of my waking hours at work, I need something other than empty cubicle walls and my computer screen to look at. I used YM for that
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 17, 2016 11:56:44 GMT -5
yogiii - I can assure you, you are not the only one waot, you're working and no longer get the sahm? How'd I miss this?! LOL, when I had a job interview thread on here last summer everyone kept telling me that I won't get that job bc I homeschool and bc I want to choose my hours and bc I haven't worked in 7 yrs and ....yada yada yada So.....I didn't have the heart to tell YM that they can be so wrong.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 17, 2016 12:42:59 GMT -5
waot, you're working and no longer get the sahm? How'd I miss this?! LOL, when I had a job interview thread on here last summer everyone kept telling me that I won't get that job bc I homeschool and bc I want to choose my hours and bc I haven't worked in 7 yrs and ....yada yada yada So.....I didn't have the heart to tell YM that they can be so wrong. And pass up a chance to say "suck it, losers!"?!?!?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 17, 2016 13:37:41 GMT -5
waot, you're working and no longer get the sahm? How'd I miss this?! LOL, when I had a job interview thread on here last summer everyone kept telling me that I won't get that job bc I homeschool and bc I want to choose my hours and bc I haven't worked in 7 yrs and ....yada yada yada So.....I didn't have the heart to tell YM that they can be so wrong. you're a better person than me.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 17, 2016 13:43:36 GMT -5
Right?! I'd be all:
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Post by saveinla on Feb 17, 2016 17:48:52 GMT -5
My Dh asked me why I didn't have pictures of him and my son at my desk. I told him that I went to work to escape from them - not stare at them all day
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Post by finnime on Feb 19, 2016 9:28:43 GMT -5
Yeah, whoisjohngalt! This thread made me remember some years ago, when I worked for a large national health system, I was making rounds to various hospitals in Pennsylvania we owned. The IS director was showing me around, and I still laugh almost until I'm sick when I remember seeing this:
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 19, 2016 12:40:09 GMT -5
So he was the tame one and the wife was the extreme one?
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 19, 2016 19:03:31 GMT -5
So he was the tame one and the wife was the extreme one? I wouldn't say tame, but she's more overt in her hatred.
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