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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:16:45 GMT -5
Prejudice shared by many people is still prejudice. We have had a number of millennials that make terrible employees, especially the kids from upper middle class. Their sense of entitlement is crazy. No one has generalised that to all upper middle class kids.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:19:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people think a prejudice against a socioeconomic class is better than a prejudice against a race. It's like everyone thinks it's justifiable to judge everyone that is poor based on the behaviour of a few, when they would scream against that if it was done to a race.
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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2016 10:23:23 GMT -5
Screening resumes requires prejudice.
Went to this school: Nope.
Degree in psychology: Nope.
Worked there previously: Nope.
I don't think all people coming from poverty make bad employees. Far from it. But there are names that make you go "hmmm." I chose to give my kids names that I don't think will give anyone pause. Traditional but have been revived. Not too common, but not weird.
I have an uncommon name. It sucks. People assume I am older, and nobody can spell it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 15, 2016 11:00:34 GMT -5
I like different names. I'm tired of all the bible named minions, James, John, Peter, Mary, Ruth... The only thing that makes a name socially acceptable is that it's what your friends name their kids. It bugs me that different cultures are pressured to anglicize their names. Bring on the diversity! If I were naming a kid, one big metric I'd use is "is this name appropriate for a federal judge, or a corporate banker, or a general." I wouldn't name my kid something weird and expect society to accept it as normal.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 15, 2016 11:01:32 GMT -5
...:::"No one has generalised that to all upper middle class kids.":::...
Disagree. If your parents are well off, you MUST have affluenza. And if you are a recent grad, you are probably a millenial who wants to come and go as you please, and bring your dog to work -- if you even grace the office with your presence.
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Post by milee on Feb 15, 2016 11:13:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people think a prejudice against a socioeconomic class is better than a prejudice against a race. It's like everyone thinks it's justifiable to judge everyone that is poor based on the behaviour of a few, when they would scream against that if it was done to a race. Another straw man.
Nobody has stated that it's justifiable to judge everyone that is poor.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 15, 2016 12:29:05 GMT -5
The way I see it, employers can enforce whatever dress code they want, as long as it follows appropriate safety regulations. If you don't like it, don't work there, it's as simple as that.
It's sad to see that having professional standards and appearance is considered racist by some.
I don't necessarily agree with my workplace's dress code all the time. I think we should be able to wear jeans on Fridays. Our organization has that written into their policy, but our Officer in Charge doesn't want us to wear jeans at all, so I don't. They're his rules to make.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 15, 2016 12:33:13 GMT -5
LIke it or not, working a job always requires some measure of conformity. You have to act and dress a certain way. You have to show deference to your superiors, and not have personal habits that are too off putting or disguising.
I think many otherwise good employees are shut out of the job market because they can't do those things, or have a criminal record, or can't follow basic workplace etiquette like showing up on time.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 15, 2016 13:00:40 GMT -5
Another point - when you have that little newborn infant - are you really planning at that point on them growing up to be a corporate stooge? is that how you all chose your kids names - on their corporate value? When they may just as well grow up to be an artist, a musician, dancer, athlete, etc. lol - oh wait! YM doesn't allow that. I did. I wanted names that could be cute and fun as kids or a more adult version as grown ups. My DD in particular. I wanted to call her Josie, but I did come up with something that would look better as an adult. If she is ever in my position as often the only female at meetings, I didn't want her to have a cutesy name. Turns out Josie didn't fit her for a nickname anyway and she is JoJo to us. But she introduces herself as Jocelyn. (Often it is I'm just Jocelyn, she's 3 it's cute).
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 15, 2016 13:24:29 GMT -5
In some situations it does. I get it. I got it 11 pages ago. Don't challenge the status quo. Can you two just get a room and quit this incessant flirting??
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Feb 15, 2016 13:52:53 GMT -5
The only thing I've gotten from this thread is that Later's real name is either Ya'llJealous or Bobbi Jo and she wears tube tops and Milee would never hire her.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 15, 2016 14:14:56 GMT -5
Don't name your boy Sue.
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Post by whoami on Feb 15, 2016 15:02:45 GMT -5
The only thing I've gotten from this thread is that Later's real name is either Ya'llJealous or Bobbi Jo and she wears tube tops and Milee would never hire her. I know people named Bobbie Jo and Misty (and Betty Ann and Billie Jean) and they are from about as far north as you can go before running into Canada. They arent just southern names. Misty has a Masters and works for a lawyer....Bobbie Jo has a whole bunch of kids and mooches off her parents and the taxpayers...FWIW. Ya'llJealous is an idiotic name.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 15, 2016 15:11:24 GMT -5
Another point - when you have that little newborn infant - are you really planning at that point on them growing up to be a corporate stooge? is that how you all chose your kids names - on their corporate value? When they may just as well grow up to be an artist, a musician, dancer, athlete, etc. lol - oh wait! YM doesn't allow that. I did. I wanted names that could be cute and fun as kids or a more adult version as grown ups. My DD in particular. I wanted to call her Josie, but I did come up with something that would look better as an adult. If she is ever in my position as often the only female at meetings, I didn't want her to have a cutesy name. Turns out Josie didn't fit her for a nickname anyway and she is JoJo to us. But she introduces herself as Jocelyn. (Often it is I'm just Jocelyn, she's 3 it's cute). We have a Josie, too. Her nickname in utero was JoJo. her full name is Josephine.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 15, 2016 15:19:00 GMT -5
From what I've seen, it's become a trend among some circles to name a girl a boy's name.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 15, 2016 15:31:50 GMT -5
I did. I wanted names that could be cute and fun as kids or a more adult version as grown ups. My DD in particular. I wanted to call her Josie, but I did come up with something that would look better as an adult. If she is ever in my position as often the only female at meetings, I didn't want her to have a cutesy name. Turns out Josie didn't fit her for a nickname anyway and she is JoJo to us. But she introduces herself as Jocelyn. (Often it is I'm just Jocelyn, she's 3 it's cute). We have a Josie, too. Her nickname in utero was JoJo. her full name is Josephine. That is one of my picks for a girl's name. Love the Josie nickname.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 15, 2016 15:31:56 GMT -5
I did. I wanted names that could be cute and fun as kids or a more adult version as grown ups. My DD in particular. I wanted to call her Josie, but I did come up with something that would look better as an adult. If she is ever in my position as often the only female at meetings, I didn't want her to have a cutesy name. Turns out Josie didn't fit her for a nickname anyway and she is JoJo to us. But she introduces herself as Jocelyn. (Often it is I'm just Jocelyn, she's 3 it's cute). We have a Josie, too. Her nickname in utero was JoJo. her full name is Josephine. I think ive mentioned it before, my MILs devil cat was Josephine. DH was never going to let me use that name. I'm cool. Jocelyn really fits her because she is a joyful kid.
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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2016 16:24:42 GMT -5
Now its:
Jordan, Payton, Aiden, Montana, Dakota, Ashley,
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 15, 2016 16:41:42 GMT -5
Bruce/Caitlyn.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2016 16:42:24 GMT -5
Taylor.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 6:39:28 GMT -5
Those are the people who should grow up hating their parents.
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Post by finnime on Feb 22, 2016 10:56:54 GMT -5
I've met a woman Michael, another named George. These were not revisions of names originally bestowed on them.
A good friend's aunt named her two sons Sean and Shawn. Yes, she knew.
I've never met any man named (originally) a clearly female name.
My former, rather nuts MIL offered me $10,000 if I would name DS "Blake" - her maiden name. She had given all her daughters that as a middle name. Instead I followed good English tradition; my son is first name middle name last name, III. We use the first name or a nickname for the grandfather and father, then the middle name for the son.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 22, 2016 12:43:48 GMT -5
I've never met any man named (originally) a clearly female name. My dentist (a lifelong friend since our undergrad days together) is named Leslie. It used to be (back in his parent's era) a fashionable name for a man. Now it mostly belongs to women.
He goes by Les. Many people assume his full name is Lester and he does not correct them.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 22, 2016 13:00:45 GMT -5
Way back, I dated a guy named Kim. He wasn't Korean, but named after one.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 13:03:11 GMT -5
We have two new hires in our office - both young women (and they are both lovely people, BTW).
BUT - - their names are - respectively - Hersheys and Sparkle.
I wish I were kidding! And no they are NOT nicknames.
Am I just getting old? Have you run into someone whose name just floors you? those sound like my little pony names.
THe next one will be called "rainbow dash" right Sum Dum Gai
just don't check for their Cutie Marks.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 22, 2016 13:45:50 GMT -5
My dentist (a lifelong friend since our undergrad days together) is named Leslie. It used to be (back in his parent's era) a fashionable name for a man. Now it mostly belongs to women.
He goes by Les. Many people assume his full name is Lester and he does not correct them.
If I could be known by Leslie or Lester, I think i'd roll with Leslie.
At least I could say "like Leslie Nielsen", instead of "ya know, like Lester the molester".
LOL! I went to high school with a Chester...he was creepy and we all called him Chester the Molester...Im still waiting to watch the news and see him on there as a serial killer!
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2016 16:39:31 GMT -5
My DH's great grandfather's name was Tiberius Cicero (Family name).
They called him Bis.
It was a weird family. His father had a college education (rare in those days), had a small plantation and a bunch of kids that he named these fancy classical names, but he refused to let any of his kids attend college.
Apparently he was important enough he had state senators and judges come to visit, but none of his kids could read.
DH thinks it's because he wanted to keep all his sons on the farm as cheap labor, and he probably figured it was pointless to educate the girls.
Very odd. Most of the time parents want their kids to have a better education than they had.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 17:21:50 GMT -5
just don't check for their Cutie Marks. oh gawd, i haven't looked that closely at the show. are those the tramp stamps they have on their hips? Yes.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 17:24:25 GMT -5
My DH's great grandfather's name was Tiberius Cicero (Family name).
They called him Bis.
It was a weird family. His father had a college education (rare in those days), had a small plantation and a bunch of kids that he named these fancy classical names, but he refused to let any of his kids attend college.
Apparently he was important enough he had state senators and judges come to visit, but none of his kids could read.
DH thinks it's because he wanted to keep all his sons on the farm as cheap labor, and he probably figured it was pointless to educate the girls.
Very odd. Most of the time parents want their kids to have a better education than they had.
Very true. Ive seen it and still it surprises me that some parents will sabotage their own children for their own gain.
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