milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Feb 9, 2016 18:59:26 GMT -5
It is the cost of your rental obligation this month. Unfortunately you don't have a fixed price for your rent and this happens to be an expensive month. Nope. We have three weddings to go to this Spring, and I just bought a car last week. The bank is closed. Resolution posts that the prom dress is part of your family contribution since your arrangement is that you pay for extras. You quote her and reply that you don't think you need/want to pay any more because you have contributed or will be contributing too much, so you're closing the bank. In other words, you imply that you contributed a car to the family and that you're going to contribute trips to the family or they wouldn't be relevant to resolution's comment about your family rental obligation.
Interesting how nasty you get when people call you on your own words. Instead of disagreeing respectfully, you want to attack the person. If this is how you disagree with people, it's going to make it tough to solve issues in your relationships.
|
|
milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Feb 9, 2016 20:03:37 GMT -5
If you have read many of OP topics and posts, you may remember that most of the time what beer talks about is "I" "I" "Me" "Me".......he's the Daddy of the entire household, and he loves every minute of it. I said once he is a control freak, and they way he does it is control with money. It was him that took 1 of the daughters to the bank to open an account (one that he wanted her to have) same with buying DD a car, it was what he wanted for her, and when he doesn't get his way, he pouts or withholds money.
Oh, the drama of a dysfunctional relationship, too bad the 3 kids have been drawn into it. I really wish there was a way for us to mark a thread so if we don't want certain people to reply to it, they can be blocked, because your responses to any threads about this topic often add nothing, and do more harm than good. .... Your responses contribute nothing to any threads I post, so in the future, kindly ignore and do not reply to any threads I start. Interesting. Especially since Blonde Granny was the first one in the thread to suggest the very response (pay nothing and let GF, DD and bio dad work it out) that you ultimately decided to use - see post #12. Since she was the first to suggest the route you ultimately decided was the best one to follow, seems like you'd want more of her input.
|
|
Kolt!
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2016 17:45:32 GMT -5
Posts: 1,311
|
Post by Kolt! on Feb 9, 2016 20:06:48 GMT -5
I personally think you and your girlfriend need to sit down and have a talk or your relationship is doomed for failure, in my honest opinion.
She pays all the monthly expenses which at the end of the day are the most important expenses.
You pay for the 'fun' stuff but it is starting to become a thing of what you decide is 'important' and what you decide isn't important. Prom for a seventeen year old girl is very important. I however think there are ways to find a cheaper dress. But if you agreed to pay for the 'fun' stuff this does fall into your category. It would be a really shitty thing to not pay for Prom when you're in charge of the 'fun' stuff.
And if she's paying all of the expenses as far as bills goes...that means she's relying on you to pay for not just fun that includes you but may just include herself.
I mean if she's having to pay for her own 'fun' stuff then you honestly should be forking out money for the bill. Because sometimes you're going to be paying more then her in a month and sometimes she's going to be paying more then you in a month...it honestly just doesn't seem like a good system.
I say look for a cheaper dress for one as it's only going to be worn once...and YES it' is crazy they're so costly for a one night ordeal but Prom is very important to a teenage girl and even if someone can't understand that importance it's just the way it is. ...but in all honesty the amount you'd be essentially paying for a dress is kind of the same price as most rent in a month...
But after this whole ordeal i'm telling you get a new money plan! =P
|
|
Kolt!
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2016 17:45:32 GMT -5
Posts: 1,311
|
Post by Kolt! on Feb 9, 2016 20:09:04 GMT -5
OH WAIT!? If the bio dad is still involved...he should def be helping out! What I said can be a very general statement for anything considered 'fun' though.
But yeah... Sorry I skimmed a bit because it was so long. But as I said take out the prom dress and I give the same advice to other fun stuff situations!
Have you thought about splitting the cost? 200 dollars from you and 200 dollars from the bio dad? Seems fair. Part from you and your gf and part from the dad?
|
|
Knee Deep in Water Chloe
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 21:04:44 GMT -5
Posts: 14,247
Mini-Profile Name Color: 1980e6
|
Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 9, 2016 20:21:48 GMT -5
(I've skipped the middle of this thread. I do hope to go back to read it later. )
In regard to the original post: beergut, as you know I have a daughter who is a senior in high school. I give her $50 per dance. That includes tickets, dinner out, gas money, shoes, dress, jewelry, etc. If she wants more than that, she can use her allowance or she can get a part time job. She and her friends trade dresses and shoes. They almost always eat at each others' homes. Two weeks ago for the Winter Ball, she and her friend had steak at home with us. We were having steak for dinner anyway.
Her biological dad pays minimal child support because he won't work more than part time and he lied to the mediator. I have not had our CS decree re-allocated since I took a $25K/year pay cut last July. He gives our children no attention or money. I am legally married to my second husband, and my children think of him as their dad. We have a complete common potter budget.
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 9, 2016 22:17:59 GMT -5
Nope. We have three weddings to go to this Spring, and I just bought a car last week. The bank is closed. Resolution posts that the prom dress is part of your family contribution since your arrangement is that you pay for extras. You quote her and reply that you don't think you need/want to pay any more because you have contributed or will be contributing too much, so you're closing the bank. In other words, you imply that you contributed a car to the family and that you're going to contribute trips to the family or they wouldn't be relevant to resolution's comment about your family rental obligation.
Interesting how nasty you get when people call you on your own words. Instead of disagreeing respectfully, you want to attack the person. If this is how you disagree with people, it's going to make it tough to solve issues in your relationships.
You see that little part of my reply to resolution where I said 'nope'? That is me negating her statement that buying a prom dress was my 'contribution' for the month. IOW, I completely disagree with her statement. As for me mentioning the car and the three weddings, I'm simply pointing out that there is no more money after what has been budgeted for this month and the ensuing months. That isn't me saying "here is my contribution for the next few months", that is me simply saying "there is no more money available for the next few months."
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 9, 2016 22:18:36 GMT -5
(I've skipped the middle of this thread. I do hope to go back to read it later. )
In regard to the original post: beergut , as you know I have a daughter who is a senior in high school. I give her $50 per dance. That includes tickets, dinner out, gas money, shoes, dress, jewelry, etc. If she wants more than that, she can use her allowance or she can get a part time job. She and her friends trade dresses and shoes. They almost always eat at each others' homes. Two weeks ago for the Winter Ball, she and her friend had steak at home with us. We were having steak for dinner anyway.
Her biological dad pays minimal child support because he won't work more than part time and he lied to the mediator. I have not had our CS decree re-allocated since I took a $25K/year pay cut last July. He gives our children no attention or money. I am legally married to my second husband, and my children think of him as their dad. We have a complete common potter budget. I like your $50 per dance plan.
|
|
milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Feb 10, 2016 6:55:56 GMT -5
Nope. We have three weddings to go to this Spring, and I just bought a car last week. The bank is closed. If 17YO and GF want this dress, they have two months to figure it out. If they want 17 YO to feel 'special' and get the nails done, hair done, and the 'dress of her dreams', they can foot the bill. Seems like you were counting it towards your contributions... Were you dropped on your head?!? You were supposed to understand that either he specifically quoted resolution but his reply about his expenses is not directly related to what resolution wrote or that his family contribution "rent" is variable based on how much money he has. In other words, the amount he contributes is based on if he approves of the item, If he benefits from the item and if he has any cash left after he buys himself stuff. You know, just like your mortgage and utilities are due based on those variables. If you have some large expenses and there's not going to be enough cash available then you don't have to pay the mortgage or utilities that month.
|
|
andi9899
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 6, 2011 10:22:29 GMT -5
Posts: 31,323
|
Post by andi9899 on Feb 10, 2016 7:11:31 GMT -5
I'm not worried about looking stupid. Others may or may not agree with my point of view, but they don't generally tend to think I'm stupid. You worry about how you look here.
Whether the car you owned and the car you just bought yourself is a beater, new or in between, you didn't contribute a car to the family. You bought yourself a second car and are letting one of the family members drive a car that you own. My assumptions were correct - it was a car for you and yet you are implying the entire value of the car was your family contribution. Just like you count trips to see your family or to participate in your friends' weddings as part of your contribution to the family. The point is that these things benefit you more than the family. And instead of seeking to understand how your actions or your financial arrangement contributes to the problems that you keep on having, you think it's a better use of time to pick at irrelevant things or throw shade at others.
Were you dropped on your head as a child? I swear to God, either you are being deliberately obtuse in an ill-advised attempt to win an internet argument, or you're freaking stupid. I'll put it in all caps for you: I DON'T CLAIM THE 16 YO'S CAR AS MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE FAMILY. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If I was going to try to claim it as a contribution, my monthly expenses would be a hell of a lot higher than $2k a month. Once again, you make up a reality in your mind, state it as fact, and then act on your reality. This is the real world, not milee's imagination world. If you can't tell the different between the two, you might want to seek help. This isn't me 'throwing shade', this is me telling the truth when you are trying to propagate your own version of such. Wait a minute. You regularly come on here and complain about the current situation and that you are being bled dry for money and then refuse to change anything. Then when someone doesn't validate what you say or complain about, you go on the attack and call people names or post passive aggressive memes. When someone points out something you said is in fact wrong, you instantly start back peddling and throwing in new details to "prove them wrong". Just fix the situation or deal with it and stop complaining. Or maybe you were dropped on your head as a child or stupid? It might explain why a man who doesn't contribute to a household is even remotely considering himself a man. And no, cars and salad dressing don't count as household contributions.
|
|
gs11rmb
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 12:43:39 GMT -5
Posts: 3,365
|
Post by gs11rmb on Feb 10, 2016 11:09:38 GMT -5
You said earlier that you haven't contributed less than $2,000 per month since you moved in with your girlfriend. That figure seems to be acceptable to you. Rather than trying to parcel our exactly how much you should be paying in rent, utilities, groceries, etc. why not just write her a check for $2,000 on the first day of each month. Is that too simple?
|
|
HoneyBBQ
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 10:36:09 GMT -5
Posts: 5,395
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"3b444e"}
|
Post by HoneyBBQ on Feb 10, 2016 11:15:39 GMT -5
And GF was pissed when she said that, what you sense about her tone is correct. Well, if that is true, then.... what would you tell someone on the outside looking in on the future of your relationship? Or quantify the healthiness of your relationship?
|
|
steph08
Junior Associate
Joined: Jan 3, 2011 13:06:01 GMT -5
Posts: 5,504
|
Post by steph08 on Feb 10, 2016 11:22:37 GMT -5
Well, what kind of extras every month? If he is consistently paying for things like going out to eat, movies, games, ect... Do they add up to near the amount she pays for the non fun stuff? If so I think it's unreasonable to then have him pay for a $500 dress because it will be much more than that, shoes, hair, whatever else... That's asking an awful lot. She needs a budget for sure. Movies, games, eating out, internet access, club sports fees, gas money occasionally. I have sat down and figured out what is the lowest amount of money I have spent on them in any given month since I moved in. It was $2000, which is more than the mortgage payment, plus utilities, cable, internet, and water combined. It is also over 3X what my monthly expenses were when I lived alone in an apartment. BUT, because I don't pay half the mortgage and 25% of the utilities in a direct payment to GF, I don't pay my 'fair share', according to many on here.
The real problem lies in the fact that your GF uses all of her income to pay for living expenses while you get to decide what "fun stuff" you all are going to do that month.
GF makes say $3k/month. It is eaten up by mortgage, utilities, insurance, car payment, some groceries, etc.
One of her kids wants to get a nice prom dress. Sorry DD, Mommy had to pay the bills with all her money, we'll ask beergut, since he gets to decide all the fun stuff. Beergut - I don't see the point of paying $500 for a dress/shoes/manicure/tickets to something that I don't get any enjoyment out of, so the answer is no.
That is the real issue here. You and GF should sit down and have a talk. Perhaps it would be better to write her a check for your monthly contribution to the household and she can allocate it. Then she won't be forced to ask you to help with things because your contribution will already be in her monthly total.
|
|
MJ2.0
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 24, 2014 10:27:09 GMT -5
Posts: 11,049
|
Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 10, 2016 11:56:18 GMT -5
beergut: I hate to see you get piled on here, but you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Just write her a check for $2000/month and be done with it. If you're afraid she won't use your contribution "the right way", you guys need to talk. This is really all it comes down to. Easy peasy.
|
|
murphath
Well-Known Member
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 16:12:33 GMT -5
Posts: 1,981
|
Post by murphath on Feb 10, 2016 12:12:01 GMT -5
Goodness, $500 for a prom dress! You could probably get one made for that price. Just ridiculous... Macy's usually has a nice selection and you could probably get a 25% off coupon from their ad. Where is she looking? I say no more that $200. The best time to buy a prom dress is actually after the prom season. So, if this gal will be going again next year, she should purchase her dress this year at that time. That's what I did with my 2 daughters. The most beautiful one I got at Nordstrom for $15--no lie. It was a size 1 which accounts for the price. Perfect, as that was DD2's size. If you live anywhere in NorCal, we could meet up and she could choose from 4 different free options.
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 10, 2016 20:38:50 GMT -5
Goodness, $500 for a prom dress! You could probably get one made for that price. Just ridiculous... Macy's usually has a nice selection and you could probably get a 25% off coupon from their ad. Where is she looking? I say no more that $200. The best time to buy a prom dress is actually after the prom season. So, if this gal will be going again next year, she should purchase her dress this year at that time. That's what I did with my 2 daughters. The most beautiful one I got at Nordstrom for $15--no lie. It was a size 1 which accounts for the price. Perfect, as that was DD2's size. If you live anywhere in NorCal, we could meet up and she could choose from 4 different free options. Unfortunately, she is a senior, so she can't shop for next year. I am going to suggest that for the 16 YO, who is a sophomore. 17 YO is shopping at a place called Whatchamacallit, which I'm sure is part of the problem.
|
|
obelisk
Familiar Member
Joined: Nov 12, 2014 14:49:16 GMT -5
Posts: 663
|
Post by obelisk on Feb 10, 2016 20:43:12 GMT -5
It is only a problem if you let it be.
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 10, 2016 20:48:49 GMT -5
Movies, games, eating out, internet access, club sports fees, gas money occasionally. I have sat down and figured out what is the lowest amount of money I have spent on them in any given month since I moved in. It was $2000, which is more than the mortgage payment, plus utilities, cable, internet, and water combined. It is also over 3X what my monthly expenses were when I lived alone in an apartment. BUT, because I don't pay half the mortgage and 25% of the utilities in a direct payment to GF, I don't pay my 'fair share', according to many on here.
The real problem lies in the fact that your GF uses all of her income to pay for living expenses while you get to decide what "fun stuff" you all are going to do that month.
GF makes say $3k/month. It is eaten up by mortgage, utilities, insurance, car payment, some groceries, etc. GF makes more than double that amount monthly, and all of her income is not spent on living expenses. What does she spend her money on after she pays the mortgage, utilities, and car note? Good question. I can never get a straight answer on that, and she can't/won't show me a budget.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,912
|
Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2016 20:52:29 GMT -5
I'm amazed you're still in that house. I'm Not sure who it says more about, you or her.
|
|
steph08
Junior Associate
Joined: Jan 3, 2011 13:06:01 GMT -5
Posts: 5,504
|
Post by steph08 on Feb 10, 2016 21:12:08 GMT -5
The real problem lies in the fact that your GF uses all of her income to pay for living expenses while you get to decide what "fun stuff" you all are going to do that month.
GF makes say $3k/month. It is eaten up by mortgage, utilities, insurance, car payment, some groceries, etc. GF makes more than double that amount monthly, and all of her income is not spent on living expenses. What does she spend her money on after she pays the mortgage, utilities, and car note? Good question. I can never get a straight answer on that, and she can't/won't show me a budget. Well shit, that's more than DH and I make combined. Sometimes I think I don't belong on this board. Haha. I agree that she needs to make a budget.
|
|
gooddecisions
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 13:42:28 GMT -5
Posts: 2,418
|
Post by gooddecisions on Feb 10, 2016 21:24:55 GMT -5
The real problem lies in the fact that your GF uses all of her income to pay for living expenses while you get to decide what "fun stuff" you all are going to do that month.
GF makes say $3k/month. It is eaten up by mortgage, utilities, insurance, car payment, some groceries, etc. GF makes more than double that amount monthly, and all of her income is not spent on living expenses. What does she spend her money on after she pays the mortgage, utilities, and car note? Good question. I can never get a straight answer on that, and she can't/won't show me a budget. Is more than $6K/month her net or gross? I make more than $6K/month but after taxes, insurance, 401k, HSA, dependent care FSA, united way, PAC and a prepaid legal service- my take home is sadly only about $3300/month. Mortgage, taxes, insurance, utilities, auto-insurance, phones, clothing, dr's visits, incidentals, food (and I know you say you pay for groceries, but I'd bet it's not 100% of all eating), etc would easily eat up that, but instead it all goes to daycare (for me). She doesn't have daycare expenses, but kids cost a lot of money.
|
|
andi9899
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 6, 2011 10:22:29 GMT -5
Posts: 31,323
|
Post by andi9899 on Feb 10, 2016 21:42:50 GMT -5
I'm amazed you're still in that house. I'm Not sure who it says more about, you or her. Can I get an amen!
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 10, 2016 22:08:25 GMT -5
GF makes more than double that amount monthly, and all of her income is not spent on living expenses. What does she spend her money on after she pays the mortgage, utilities, and car note? Good question. I can never get a straight answer on that, and she can't/won't show me a budget. Is more than $6K/month her net or gross? I make more than $6K/month but after taxes, insurance, 401k, HSA, dependent care FSA, united way, PAC and a prepaid legal service- my take home is sadly only about $3300/month. Mortgage, taxes, insurance, utilities, auto-insurance, phones, clothing, dr's visits, incidentals, food (and I know you say you pay for groceries, but I'd bet it's not 100% of all eating), etc would easily eat up that, but instead it all goes to daycare (for me). She doesn't have daycare expenses, but kids cost a lot of money. Net. Even after 401k, taxes, insurance (for three kids), pension, and everything, she still brings home over $6k a month.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,912
|
Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2016 22:47:30 GMT -5
That sounds like a lot but there's a mortgage and taxes and insurance on a house. Plus maintenance. I'm sure the house isn't tiny so utilities are also part of that deal. Insurance for those three kids ought to be 50-50 but if she's covering it all, well, insurance for dependents is rarely covered by employers. Insurance period is expensive. Yes, she needs a budget. I'm not sure she's telling the truth about what she makes, either. It seems like both of you have financial and commitment and honesty issues.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,912
|
Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2016 22:52:45 GMT -5
Her father, you said, was helping out before you. So you knew up front there were financial concerns. This stuff needed to be discussed before you moved in. Maybe because I'm old but game playing is just not my style.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,912
|
Post by zibazinski on Feb 11, 2016 6:31:42 GMT -5
Maybe she does overspend on the kids. I'm guilty of that as well and for the same reason. Guilt over marrying someone who turned out to be a bad person. Compound that with her guilt of making more poor decisions with men, since you said there's been at least one other guy living there before you, and voila!
|
|
beergut
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 11, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -5
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by beergut on Feb 11, 2016 18:57:50 GMT -5
Maybe she does overspend on the kids. I'm guilty of that as well and for the same reason. Guilt over marrying someone who turned out to be a bad person. Compound that with her guilt of making more poor decisions with men, since you said there's been at least one other guy living there before you, and voila! While I suspect this is her biggest problem, I have no way to prove it is a problem, so it remains a suspicion. With the 16 YO driving now, auto insurance is going up significantly. When I pointed out that the 17 YO will be turning 18 in the Summer, and (hopefully) getting a job before she begins community college, she was amenable to having the 18 YO pay for for part or all of her auto insurance costs. That is a start.
|
|
debthaven
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 7, 2015 15:26:39 GMT -5
Posts: 10,608
Member is Online
|
Post by debthaven on Feb 11, 2016 19:20:51 GMT -5
I haven't read all of this thread but I've read some of it.
I know it's a cliché but one definition of insanity (or stupidity) is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result.
The bottom line is, your GF does not share your financial values. Despite the time and effort spent, she is obviously not ready or willing to adopt yours.
|
|
swasat
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 13, 2011 9:34:28 GMT -5
Posts: 3,735
|
Post by swasat on Feb 11, 2016 21:16:48 GMT -5
I read all 9 pages. And I have read all past threads by OP. And I don't think I have seen this mentioned anywhere (I may be wrong though) beergut, why are you with your GF? I know we only hear part of the story, the bad part of it. And everyone jumps on you for the same thing, because thats all you tell us. But there must be a reason why you are with her! You seem quite unhappy with her financial picture, and the constant demand for money on you. It is my honest opinion that if you tell the board WHY you are still with her and WHAT are the good parts of your relationship, people will get a holistic picture and stop making assumptions. In the past the same thing used to happen with WWBG. He would crib and bitch about her then GF all the time. But never gave an answer why he was still with her if he was so bitter with the relationship. He went on to marry her and the threads continued for a while. Would have been SOOOOO much simpler if WWBG had just shared the positives along with all the negatives. Nobody owes anyone any explanation. But to have 9 pages of going round and round on the same thing does not accomplish anything
|
|
8 Bit WWBG
Administrator
Your Money admin
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 8:57:29 GMT -5
Posts: 9,322
Today's Mood: Mega
|
Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 12, 2016 0:18:12 GMT -5
What an interesting 6 new pages...
Fighting over whether the ownership of the car and whether that diminishes the fact that the household now has an extra vehicle seems like a sidetrack. What is most telling to me, and worth scrutiny is this:
...:::"...and all of her income is not spent on living expenses. What does she spend her money on after she pays the mortgage, utilities, and car note? Good question. I can never get a straight answer on that, and she can't/won't show me a budget.":::...
I think if he is to become a formally contributing member of the household, then they should craft a budget together. It seems reasonable for them to both discuss what is being spent where. It may not have to be down at the line item level, but it would answer some questions.
The real key here: let's say beergut started making that $2k contribution in the form of a direct deposit allocated towards those boring bills. Would that support reduce the burden on the GF, thereby allowing her to pay for some of that glorious fun stuff? Or would it just be a big shell game?
In other words, if the amount of money being spent doesn't change, just who is credited with paying what changes, then will that improve things? Will the GF like this setup better? Or will she resent now having to pay for things that "he used to cover"?
Maybe it will make no difference at all if the problem is still that there isn't as much money to play with as either party would like. Or maybe it will make all the difference in the world, since then neither will feel taken advantage of?
|
|
tallguy
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 2, 2011 19:21:59 GMT -5
Posts: 14,563
|
Post by tallguy on Feb 12, 2016 1:12:32 GMT -5
Either way, the fact that they cannot get this discussed and settled (for whatever reason and whoever's fault) is a HUGE red flag going forward. If they can't manage to settle something as basic as this, and apparently can't be honest with each other about it, they should really rethink things. COMPLETELY rethink things.
|
|