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Post by giramomma on Apr 12, 2022 9:22:58 GMT -5
This is all good to hear, drama.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 12, 2022 11:18:51 GMT -5
My interview got pushed to tomorrow. Not happy. I wanted to just get it over with and relax tomorrow. Nope. Get to stress out the entire day tomorrow too.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 13, 2022 10:06:03 GMT -5
I was not offered a job after my second interview.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 13, 2022 10:08:01 GMT -5
I was not offered a job after my second interview. Is it a done deal? Or you just haven't heard?
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Post by giramomma on Apr 13, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -5
I was not offered a job after my second interview. Is it a done deal? Or you just haven't heard? I got the rejection form email this morning.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 13, 2022 10:14:29 GMT -5
Is it a done deal? Or you just haven't heard? I got the rejection form email this morning. I'm sorry - that sucks.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 13, 2022 10:40:28 GMT -5
I am sorry Gira.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 13, 2022 10:48:50 GMT -5
I'm 😞.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 13, 2022 10:50:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Gira.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 13, 2022 10:59:10 GMT -5
Thanks everyone! I'm OK with it.
I'm not trying to be all pollyanna about it. But, there was quite a bit of good that came from it. I'm having honest, real discussions with my supervisor. I think we're closer than I think. I'm not thrilled with the boundaries in place, but I'm not hearing things that are hard no's either. And I have good data about retirement, even though it's 8 years out, give or take. And I had practice taking an interview.
I already have a job. so it's not like that pressure is there. And they just did give me a 10% merit raise within the past 6 months. That's pretty unheard of.
And I knew going in the job was created for someone else.. Still have to go through the process.
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Post by seriousthistime on Apr 13, 2022 12:19:28 GMT -5
Sorry, giramomma, but I love your attitude. Interview practice is a good thing, and it sounds like you really prepared for this one so the next one will be easier.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 13, 2022 12:42:51 GMT -5
And talking about interviews: good luck with yours today MPL
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Post by finnime on Apr 13, 2022 12:52:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry it worked out that way, but think you're handling it beautifully, FWIW, giramomma.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 13, 2022 15:48:08 GMT -5
Interview went fine it was mostly just a lot of talking about what I already did. The only place I really fumbled is when they asked me why I wasn't applying for an engineering position instead. Then I was just a bumbling idiot instead of running through the open door. All I could think of was...I only want to work 6 more years...I kind of want to coast.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 13, 2022 15:57:28 GMT -5
Interview went fine it was mostly just a lot of talking about what I already did. The only place I really fumbled is when they asked me why I wasn't applying for an engineering position instead. Then I was just a bumbling idiot instead of running through the open door. All I could think of was...I only want to work 6 more years...I kind of want to coast. When will you find out?
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 13, 2022 15:59:32 GMT -5
Interview went fine it was mostly just a lot of talking about what I already did. The only place I really fumbled is when they asked me why I wasn't applying for an engineering position instead. Then I was just a bumbling idiot instead of running through the open door. All I could think of was...I only want to work 6 more years...I kind of want to coast. I think they have a point. And higher title/income doesn't necessarily mean higher workload.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 13, 2022 16:48:45 GMT -5
Interview went fine it was mostly just a lot of talking about what I already did. The only place I really fumbled is when they asked me why I wasn't applying for an engineering position instead. Then I was just a bumbling idiot instead of running through the open door. All I could think of was...I only want to work 6 more years...I kind of want to coast. When will you find out? Not sure. They said I would hear back from corporate, not them.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 13, 2022 16:53:39 GMT -5
Interview went fine it was mostly just a lot of talking about what I already did. The only place I really fumbled is when they asked me why I wasn't applying for an engineering position instead. Then I was just a bumbling idiot instead of running through the open door. All I could think of was...I only want to work 6 more years...I kind of want to coast. I think they have a point. And higher title/income doesn't necessarily mean higher workload. I know I do a lot of what the engineers do already, it's the front-line customer interaction that I'm able to almost completely avoid in my position. But then he started talking about SDEs and MQEs and how bad they wanted to hire more of those and I was more intrigued. I don't deal with them much or know what they do and wonder if they would have more of a "in the shadows" role?
I'm off until Monday, I'll maybe investigate.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 13, 2022 17:11:36 GMT -5
I think they have a point. And higher title/income doesn't necessarily mean higher workload. I know I do a lot of what the engineers do already, it's the front-line customer interaction that I'm able to almost completely avoid in my position. But then he started talking about SDEs and MQEs and how bad they wanted to hire more of those and I was more intrigued. I don't deal with them much or know what they do and wonder if they would have more of a "in the shadows" role?
I'm off until Monday, I'll maybe investigate.
I'm an SQE, used to be a MQE. Easy- peazy job! If you can get teens to play along, suppliers are a walk in the park!
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Post by azucena on Apr 14, 2022 3:45:25 GMT -5
MPL - lean in to getting paid for the workload you are already doing. I don't think it hurts anything to send a note about your interest in the other positions mentioned. Couch it as you're interested in career advancement and wanted to make them aware so all options are on the table.
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Post by finnime on Apr 19, 2022 10:02:21 GMT -5
Ava, I think approaching your manager about getting training is just what you need to do. You can search training programs available to you and ask him about them. Explain that you are looking forward to contributing in areas you are not yet proficient. Be enthusiastic.
I would be very supportive of this approach were I your manager.
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Post by swasat on Apr 19, 2022 10:31:18 GMT -5
Ava , I'll start with saying that you may not like what I am saying. But you asked for an unbiased outsider opinion. And I have been in management for a long time where I have worked with all sorts of people with all sorts of issues. So please take the post as its intended, which is to provide you an outsider's feedback on your post You acknowledge you have been slow during the pandemic. Does that also mean your work was not at par? You live alone, you had other problems during Covid......none of them are relevant to your manager and your workplace in the long run though. We all need to take care of our personal issues and not let them impact work performance for long periods of time. If you needed to understand something what were the steps you took from your side to either get more training or understand the problems. Did you approach multiple colleagues, people from other department's, anyone who might have shed some insight? Other than emailing you manager that you don't understand something, did you pour through documents, google solutions, email vendors, talk with other stakeholders/customers? I will give you a manager's perspective. When we task senior members of the team with something, we expect them to do their own due diligence and put in efforts from their own side before they come to us with problems. There is a reason seniority is given to certain folks. Its because we want them to work independently of us. Many times my team members come to me with problems they are unable to solve. They know my first question will be "what have done so far to resolve this?". So they come prepared with all they have done and why its still a problem and why I need to step in. A manager is not supposed to be the first stop for fixing problems, specially for experienced and senior team members. You will gain more in your manager's eyes if you support 'him' and make his life easier, rather than expecting him to make your life easier. If you have been slow and your work has not been up to par, thats most likely the reason he is not giving you more important work. If you pplan to speak to him, my suggestion is you do some quality anaysis, come up with a plan on how you will train yourself, gain more knowledge, who will you approach, what your game plan will look like and THEN sit down with him. Without a gameplan in place your meeting with him has the potential of sounding like empty words with no substance. My 0.02 cents.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 19, 2022 11:00:32 GMT -5
I would do both. Search for new jobs and plan a talk with your manager.
Set a weekly time frame on applying for jobs like 2 hours a week, or 1 application a week so it isn't all consuming. Look at it as info gathering more than an escape plan.
Swasat's advice is good, but you have to be careful about not selling yourself short too. I was underpaid for years and never felt like I could speak up, but later found out my quality of work was significantly higher than people getting paid 30k more than me. As an independent contributor it's hard to know how you stack up to coworkers.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 19, 2022 11:39:15 GMT -5
I will give you a manager's perspective. When we task senior members of the team with something, we expect them to do their own due diligence and put in efforts from their own side before they come to us with problems. There is a reason seniority is given to certain folks. Its because we want them to work independently of us. Many times my team members come to me with problems they are unable to solve. They know my first question will be "what have done so far to resolve this?". So they come prepared with all they have done and why its still a problem and why I need to step in. A manager is not supposed to be the first stop for fixing problems, specially for experienced and senior team members. You will gain more in your manager's eyes if you support 'him' and make his life easier, rather than expecting him to make your life easier. My 0.02 cents. I think this depends on organizational culture. My supervisor wants two levels OK before they proceed with assigning work. My supervisor is considered to be on the senior leadership team.
I've already missed one window for doing project work because my manager takes too long to make decisions. I found out I'm being assigned more work for fall. Which is great. But I can't start on it for several weeks, because my supervisor feels they must have buy in at levels above them. Thus my timelines will now be compressed. Which I am unhappy about. I am already behind, now. I don't want to be further behind because of my supervisor.
In any event, I think having some real, honest conversation is important. Knowing exactly what my boundaries are helps me figure out what, exactly I can do. I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Post by swasat on Apr 19, 2022 13:28:19 GMT -5
I am not sure what your point is giramomma. Your situation does not correlate to Ava's, plus you work in academia, she works in a corporation. Ava already has a rocky relationship with her manager (as perceived by her and as mentioned in her posts). She is not getting work assigned and admittedly has been slow in her work. My advice to her to have details on what she has already tried and what she is planning to try when she meets with her manager still stands.
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Post by swasat on Apr 19, 2022 14:16:52 GMT -5
Other than your senior colleague, is there no one else in your team under your manager Ava who knows this work? Are you the only 2 working on such cases? There must be more organizational knowledge if your company takes on such work routinely......
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Post by Ava on Apr 19, 2022 14:28:18 GMT -5
Other than your senior colleague, is there no one else in your team under your manager Ava who knows this work? Are you the only 2 working on such cases? There must be more organizational knowledge if your company takes on such work routinely...... It's not a big department. We're a subsidiary. There was a guy who used to do all the modifications, and that was all he did. Then he transferred, and I got promoted and she was hired. Now you see why she's overwhelmed.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Apr 19, 2022 18:25:44 GMT -5
Ava, do you really want all input? That’s not your typical posting style. I just want to double check before I spend time replying.
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Post by Ava on Apr 19, 2022 21:43:10 GMT -5
I deleted my posts, for privacy issues. But this made me think. I've made a decision. I want to keep my job. I like the people I work with, I like the job. The benefits and pay are good. There's also the possibility of a promotion at some point.
So I'm going to continue doing my best and talk to my manager about receiving training for the only area I don't know how to handle. I believe with some proper training I can improve. Of course, I will never be at the level of my coworker, but that doesn't matter. I need to be at a professional level. There'll always be someone better than me out there.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 20, 2022 7:49:44 GMT -5
I am not sure what your point is giramomma . Your situation does not correlate to Ava's, plus you work in academia, she works in a corporation. Ava already has a rocky relationship with her manager (as perceived by her and as mentioned in her posts). She is not getting work assigned and admittedly has been slow in her work. My advice to her to have details on what she has already tried and what she is planning to try when she meets with her manager still stands. I was trying to point out that one cannot make a blanket statement about what all managers want.
It depends on the supervisor. My previous supervisor had different expectations of me. I was expected to problem solve and not take problems to them, unless it was a real big thing. When I took my job interview (also in the university), they expected a go-getter/problem solver to take on the role. It wasn't even a supervisory one. I'm hard pressed to believe that all managers in the private sector are great.
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