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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Apr 6, 2022 8:28:00 GMT -5
As an update, I have one offer from company A on its way and just got another offer from company B over the phone. Company A is biking distance from home and works with little ones, so less risk of physical harm. Overall seems like a less intense population than I’m used to. Salary is good for this country, but less than I made i. US dollars. Company B works with all ages, but it would be at a senior level so I would strictly be training staff to work with the clients. Lots of opportunities for growth and advancement, and offering me $20k over the salary at company A. $20,000 can buy a lot of plane tickets. Company A seems “safer”, and working strictly with little kids, which is great. Company B is more intense, and more mental health and older clients but I could really go places with them. And the money is a pay raise even from what I was making in the states. I am feeling imposter syndrome big time. Ugh. It would be hard for me to ignore that big of a difference in pay. Plus, is Company B something new-ish to you that adds to your skill set?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 6, 2022 8:28:32 GMT -5
As an update, I have one offer from company A on its way and just got another offer from company B over the phone. Company A is biking distance from home and works with little ones, so less risk of physical harm. Overall seems like a less intense population than I’m used to. Salary is good for this country, but less than I made i. US dollars. Company B works with all ages, but it would be at a senior level so I would strictly be training staff to work with the clients. Lots of opportunities for growth and advancement, and offering me $20k over the salary at company A. $20,000 can buy a lot of plane tickets. Company A seems “safer”, and working strictly with little kids, which is great. Company B is more intense, and more mental health and older clients but I could really go places with them. And the money is a pay raise even from what I was making in the states. I am feeling imposter syndrome big time. If you don't need the pay raise I'd set aside that factor right now and look at the type of work you will be doing. Do you want to grow/advance or is that something you feel that you "have" to want because that is what capitalism expects of us? I wrote out a list of all the things that I want from an employer/job and then I compared that to the job itself to see how well it lined up. There were things I won't compromise on and things I am more flexible about depending on the circumstances. What do YOU want from a job? Which job fits better? There is nothing wrong with deciding at this time in your life you value the "safer" job over money and advancement. You can always change your mind at some point in life. The same goes for the opposite decision.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Apr 6, 2022 8:28:34 GMT -5
I think I'm going to pass on the job. Startups scare me. Also, I really want to work from home. My grandma lives next door and if something happens I can be there in seconds. Maybe I'll find something else later at an established company. Those are definitely the two main reasons I would pass on it—especially the startup part.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 6, 2022 9:39:51 GMT -5
I emailed my boss yesterday letting him know there was only a QE position showing up and he replied back with a screen shot of the current openings assigned to him showing the QT opening that's been active for 15 days. But, no matter how I queried I could not get it to show up (we have many sites worldwide so lots of listings). Finally I went to our HR who then sent me to corporate HR. They had to refresh the listings and then it popped up for me. I forwarded that email from them to my boss just so he wouldn't be thinking maybe I was too incompetent for the job if I couldn't even locate it. So, now I have the correct job to apply for anyhow.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 7, 2022 10:06:02 GMT -5
I have an interview next Tuesday at 3. I have only interviewed for a job once in my life and that was 17 years ago so...not real excited about this.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 7, 2022 10:14:12 GMT -5
I have an interview next Tuesday at 3. I have only interviewed for a job once in my life and that was 17 years ago so...not real excited about this. You can do this! Be honest about the fact you haven't interviewed in years and how excited you are for the role. Maybe it will just be a formality?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 7, 2022 10:15:42 GMT -5
It's hard for me to express excitement about a role that I've been essentially doing for years. It's not like anything will change in regard to job duties.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2022 10:16:28 GMT -5
I have an interview next Tuesday at 3. I have only interviewed for a job once in my life and that was 17 years ago so...not real excited about this. You're already in the door, you pretty much do the job and it sounds like this is a formality more than anything. Worst case scenario you don't change titles. There is really no way to "mess it up". Just stick with making sure whoever the bean counters in the room are understand you already do this job so you deserve a title change.
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Post by azucena on Apr 7, 2022 10:22:41 GMT -5
MPL - use the raise as your motivation. Sounds like maybe you are trying not to get your hopes up which is understandable. Be prepared to talk thru all of the things that you are doing that are above your title and also all of those things that you are the main/only person with knowledge/training.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 7, 2022 10:28:55 GMT -5
It's hard for me to express excitement about a role that I've been essentially doing for years. It's not like anything will change in regard to job duties. Think of the money.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 7, 2022 10:50:10 GMT -5
It's hard for me to express excitement about a role that I've been essentially doing for years. It's not like anything will change in regard to job duties. Think of the money. It probably won't be much to be honest, but yeah...that's my main driver here. I printed out the Key Responsibilities sheet for Quality Technician and it's broken down by I,II and III and plan on bringing it with me. I already do all but one thing on the list for II and do two things off the III list to boot. In fact, I'm the only person in our facility that does one of the level III duties.
The qualifications list is broken out the same and I exceed it: 2 year technical degree or equivalent experience (I have a 4 year degree) 5 years as a QT (I have 15) ASQ certification preferred (been certified since 2013) Ability to train diverse groups (? I dunno... I guess I could?) Good analytical skills (sure) Ability to assimilate a wide range of data and form conclusions (I jump to conclusions a lot)
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2022 11:07:30 GMT -5
It probably won't be much to be honest, but yeah...that's my main driver here. I printed out the Key Responsibilities sheet for Quality Technician and it's broken down by I,II and III and plan on bringing it with me. I already do all but one thing on the list for II and do two things off the III list to boot. In fact, I'm the only person in our facility that does one of the level III duties.
The qualifications list is broken out the same and I exceed it: 2 year technical degree or equivalent experience (I have a 4 year degree) 5 years as a QT (I have 15) ASQ certification preferred (been certified since 2013) Ability to train diverse groups (? I dunno... I guess I could?) Good analytical skills (sure) Ability to assimilate a wide range of data and form conclusions (I jump to conclusions a lot)
There is your discussion. You don't have to pretend you are excited. You do all the work, the title needs to come with it. Really sell you're the only one who can do the level III duties to boot. It's really in their best interest to keep you by giving you the title. They don't need to know you likely wouldn't be going anywhere . Given the current job market I think most employers are hyper aware that people are willing to jump over being expected to do QT II work at a QT 1 level pay and title.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 7, 2022 11:31:52 GMT -5
I really hope my old boss doesn't come to the interview. He is now my bosses boss and is invited as an optional attendee. I like him, but I get the feeling he doesn't think I should have this title (hence not even interviewing me last year when he posted the job). I think I know why too, every year he has put on my review for a goal that I'm to cross-train doing what my counterpart does and I never do and I think he's pretty irate about that. What she DOES is work with the corporate quote team and quotes all the labor for our division...which has NOTHING to do with QT duties. This is 90% of her job. She shouldn't even be considered a QT, they should create a new title just for her, yet he wanted me to be her backup. I'm flooded because I have 90% of the customers since we've been down one QT for years and she's always quoting, so we just never have time and the can gets kicked down the road.
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Post by azucena on Apr 7, 2022 12:14:02 GMT -5
I think you explain it just like you did here - you're choosing to keep up with product demand and customers rather than cross train when there isn't enough time for both.
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2022 7:14:37 GMT -5
Isn’t today Dramas exit interview?
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Post by giramomma on Apr 8, 2022 7:38:23 GMT -5
Hey MPL! I'm happy to see that update!
I haven't taken a job interview in 18 years. If I get the new job, it's doing the same stuff I've always done.
I find that the adrenaline rush makes up for my excitement.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 8, 2022 8:51:51 GMT -5
Isn’t today Dramas exit interview? Yes it is at 2 pm. I have answers to the questions that were handed to me last week. It's not going to change anything around here but I've been a good little worker bee for 3 years now I am owed voicing my opinion on the way out.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 8, 2022 9:02:42 GMT -5
Isn’t today Dramas exit interview? Yes it is at 2 pm. I have answers to the questions that were handed to me last week. It's not going to change anything around here but I've been a good little worker bee for 3 years now I am owed voicing my opinion on the way out. Thinking you won’t be NoMore Drama today? But at least a little Drama??
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 8, 2022 9:20:33 GMT -5
Yes it is at 2 pm. I have answers to the questions that were handed to me last week. It's not going to change anything around here but I've been a good little worker bee for 3 years now I am owed voicing my opinion on the way out. Thinking you won’t be NoMore Drama today? But at least a little Drama?? Probably not I am just tired of it all. Even if there had been no drama here I would have left sooner rather than later because now I make only $70 A YEAR more than the new hire and they aren't planning on changing that anytime soon. There is also no where to go. If you wanted to be supervisor or manager, which I don't, you need to wait until someone retires. There is no future here. More salary would have kicked the can down the road for a bit but I can't park my ass here for the next 30+ years. The drama just sped up the time table for me leaving. It is absolutely nothing that the last three people who left the department didn't talk about and nothing changed. They aren't interested in fixing what is broken. I'm going to say my piece but no drama. I'm already focused on the next job and getting nervous. I've had two HUGE changes to my life happen in rapid succession and it's getting overwhelming. I carry a lot of baggage going back decades and I'm having to do a lot of rapid half ass shadow work so I don't implode on my first day. But it'll be all right I always adjust and knock it out of the park. It's the first few weeks that are the most stressful for me.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 8, 2022 17:57:53 GMT -5
It went well.
I will hear late next week. They spent a lot of time assuring me about the workplace culture, about 1/3 of the interview time.
I am pleased with what I heard, and short term plans for growth.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 8, 2022 20:35:57 GMT -5
I had my exit interview. It was uneventful. Found out they are not going to replace me they said there is no justification for six people in our department at this time. So that was surprising.
HR was interested in what I had to say about Peacock. She said it was the first time she heard about it.
I said well psycho manager drowned out everything else and also some of this flew under the radar till she was gone because she could keep Peacock in line.
I said myself, R and N have basically bern running the lab while she sits upstairs doing we don't know what. I said she's not totally off the bench...yet but she's slowly pushed more and more onto everyone else.
I also said she's not a good trainer and it's not consistent. It makes it awkward for new people to ask questions because all of a sudden my answer will be wrong even though it's what they taught me.
I said there is more than one way to do a lot of what we do. It's Peacock wants it HER way but doesn't communicate that then pounces on you a couple months or in my case 3 years later with you're doing it wrong.
That causes resentment, confusion and burnout. All of which are additional reasons why I'm leaving and why others are getting unhappy and they will struggle to keep people.
Psycho was a BIG problem but she wasn't the only one.
Im curious if anything comes of it. I asked R and N to update me if it does.
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Post by finnime on Apr 8, 2022 23:16:11 GMT -5
It went well.
I will hear late next week. They spent a lot of time assuring me about the workplace culture, about 1/3 of the interview time.
I am pleased with what I heard, and short term plans for growth.
Good for you!
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Post by geenamercile on Apr 9, 2022 7:29:48 GMT -5
I had my exit interview. It was uneventful. Found out they are not going to replace me they said there is no justification for six people in our department at this time. So that was surprising. HR was interested in what I had to say about Peacock. She said it was the first time she heard about it. I said well psycho manager drowned out everything else and also some of this flew under the radar till she was gone because she could keep Peacock in line. I said myself, R and N have basically bern running the lab while she sits upstairs doing we don't know what. I said she's not totally off the bench...yet but she's slowly pushed more and more onto everyone else. I also said she's not a good trainer and it's not consistent. It makes it awkward for new people to ask questions because all of a sudden my answer will be wrong even though it's what they taught me. I said there is more than one way to do a lot of what we do. It's Peacock wants it HER way but doesn't communicate that then pounces on you a couple months or in my case 3 years later with you're doing it wrong. That causes resentment, confusion and burnout. All of which are additional reasons why I'm leaving and why others are getting unhappy and they will struggle to keep people. Psycho was a BIG problem but she wasn't the only one. Im curious if anything comes of it. I asked R and N to update me if it does. Well since they are not replacing you, maybe Peacock will get your work load.
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Post by azucena on Apr 9, 2022 7:36:26 GMT -5
Lost one of our key players this week to another job in the company. Job is a promotion to vp which we should have done for him as he's producing that level of work but shitty manager didn't even think of it and wasn't interested in pushing it thru off cycle bc that's too much work.
So now we will be stuck training someone new and carrying the workload completely in the weeks and weeks it takes HR to move.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 9, 2022 8:55:48 GMT -5
I had my exit interview. It was uneventful. Found out they are not going to replace me they said there is no justification for six people in our department at this time. So that was surprising. HR was interested in what I had to say about Peacock. She said it was the first time she heard about it. I said well psycho manager drowned out everything else and also some of this flew under the radar till she was gone because she could keep Peacock in line. I said myself, R and N have basically bern running the lab while she sits upstairs doing we don't know what. I said she's not totally off the bench...yet but she's slowly pushed more and more onto everyone else. I also said she's not a good trainer and it's not consistent. It makes it awkward for new people to ask questions because all of a sudden my answer will be wrong even though it's what they taught me. I said there is more than one way to do a lot of what we do. It's Peacock wants it HER way but doesn't communicate that then pounces on you a couple months or in my case 3 years later with you're doing it wrong. That causes resentment, confusion and burnout. All of which are additional reasons why I'm leaving and why others are getting unhappy and they will struggle to keep people. Psycho was a BIG problem but she wasn't the only one. Im curious if anything comes of it. I asked R and N to update me if it does. Well since they are not replacing you, maybe Peacock will get your work load. It's far more likely N will be the new me. I made sure to explain it starts out as you need to be trained which is fair but eventually you turn around and it's your job. On top of everything else and now you are pretty much running the lab. Which if your slow you just deal with it. Busy it becomes awful. She'll spin a yarn she's good at that if they do look into it and I'm betting new boss will fall for the savior of the universe shtick just like everyone else. But maybe knowing the seed was planted might get her to cooperate. I know not my problem but I wanted to at least try to leave things better.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 9, 2022 12:26:38 GMT -5
Lost one of our key players this week to another job in the company. Job is a promotion to vp which we should have done for him as he's producing that level of work but shitty manager didn't even think of it and wasn't interested in pushing it thru off cycle bc that's too much work. So now we will be stuck training someone new and carrying the workload completely in the weeks and weeks it takes HR to move. I'm sorry. That really stinks.
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Post by Opti on Apr 11, 2022 9:26:15 GMT -5
Just got the weirdest call. Got a call from supposedly a recruiting firm allegedly looking for a financial analyst. They said it was based on a resume from 2010!
I did not feel comfortable being called out of the blue, so I requested they email me. It's not 4/1 today, right?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 11, 2022 9:51:56 GMT -5
I would agree it's weird. However, I've been getting emails about positions from Career Builder. It's definitely based on a resume from before I got my current job in 2010. I need to figure out how to remove that. Not sure what's with the sudden emails. I do not remember these pre covid. If I linked a phone number, it's my old one so that would explain no phone calls for me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 12, 2022 7:52:05 GMT -5
Typical first day. Lots of running around to various offices, paperwork and fighting with the computer.
I came home much calmer DH was actually worried because I wasn't as wired as I have been lately. Hope that lasts.
We get into learning the job today. Eventually it will be "my" space and I can reorganize it. For now I'm leaving it alone till I get the hang of things and have an idea of what works.
My hours are 8:30 to 5:30. I might switch it to 8:00 we'll see how the schedule works. I'm excited to no longer have to get dressed in the dark and I can have a cup of tea before I leave. DH is happy I can take Gwen to school.
Yeah I think this will be good. I'm not going Gung ho yet but first impressions are good.
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