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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 20, 2021 10:02:53 GMT -5
I keep thinking I need to start working toward my 2nd career, so I can ride out 50-65 doing something more 9-5, hopefully a little less volatile and still make decent money. But I don't get past the thinking stage. My 42nd birthday is around the corner and my prep window is closing. So I'm going to buckle down and find a python programming class and revisit math. Now that we're back to online activities I have a lot of downtime I need a project anyway. I feel like I would do well working with data, hence the programming and math. If I go that route my hope is that I could get into those departments in my current company and then be anle to move out of mortgage all together. But I would love ideas on what potential 2nd careers to look at. Books that help you narrow that down? I look up the most in demand jobs every now and then and will try that soon to get more ideas too. You mean data analytics? That's a super hot field right now. I looked into it for myself, but I think it involves more computer programming than I care to deal with. If that's your thing, though, I think it's an awesome pivot. I have no idea whether it would be more 9-5. Probably depends on the company culture. Yes, possibly, although I'm not looking for anything that needs a masters degree.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 20, 2021 10:11:24 GMT -5
I’m going to second what NomoreDramaQ1015 says. There is not a lot of wiggle room in salaries, and the best you might get is a few thousand $$. The one place you really want to look at is benefits. Look at retirement, insurance and ALL the benefits, including vacation and sick time. Every year, I got an accounting of how much the university paid for my job, not just my salary. When you added in tuition for my doctorate, my benefits amounted to nearly $30k over what my base pay was yearly. Yeah that was another reason I decided to leave. UNMC was passing more and more of the premium costs onto employees but unlike YM theory states they weren't raising our salaries to compensate. If you weren't going to raise my salary AND were starting to take away the non-salary benefits that made it worth the lower salary it was time to go. UK died a pretty good job of holding our benefits stable. I only paid $26/mo for my excellent health insurance for a single person. I think a family was under $100. This never changed in all the years I was there, even though I know costs went up. The one place where we did get slammed was parking though. Costs doubled for us. But there were many years where we never even got a COL raise, and the only way I got my substantial raise was my position was eliminated and a new position established. It was a PITA way to give a position to someone who was already doing the job and had worked into the qualification.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 20, 2021 10:12:08 GMT -5
I haven't even decided a first career and now I'm supposed to have a second?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 20, 2021 10:13:59 GMT -5
Yeah that was another reason I decided to leave. UNMC was passing more and more of the premium costs onto employees but unlike YM theory states they weren't raising our salaries to compensate. If you weren't going to raise my salary AND were starting to take away the non-salary benefits that made it worth the lower salary it was time to go. UK died a pretty good job of holding our benefits stable. I only paid $26/mo for my excellent health insurance for a single person. I think a family was under $100. This never changed in all the years I was there, even though I know costs went up. The one place where we did get slammed was parking though. Costs doubled for us. But there were many years where we never even got a COL raise, and the only way I got my substantial raise was my position was eliminated and a new position established. It was a PITA way to give a position to someone who was already doing the job and had worked into the qualification. Agreed. A friend of mine was out of her job for about three months when they were raising her title. Her boss finally went in and made the job description word for word her resume and she finally got past the HR blockade. I have a heck of a time sometimes outside of academia trying to explain that I was "juts a tech" not because of lack of ambition or whatever it is they think but because of how much a PITA it is to change titles. Add onto that I don't have the piece of paper it doesn't matter if I have 15+ years experience I'm not going to be a coordinator. I'm locked into whatever title I'm allowed to have with my degree.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 20, 2021 10:15:23 GMT -5
I haven't even decided a first career and now I'm supposed to have a second? I never decided on my first career. I just got a job that paid well and have been riding that wave for 20 years. But when I look to the next 20-25 years, I know I want something different.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 20, 2021 10:19:04 GMT -5
UK died a pretty good job of holding our benefits stable. I only paid $26/mo for my excellent health insurance for a single person. I think a family was under $100. This never changed in all the years I was there, even though I know costs went up. The one place where we did get slammed was parking though. Costs doubled for us. But there were many years where we never even got a COL raise, and the only way I got my substantial raise was my position was eliminated and a new position established. It was a PITA way to give a position to someone who was already doing the job and had worked into the qualification. Agreed. A friend of mine was out of her job for about three months when they were raising her title. Her boss finally went in and made the job description word for word her resume and she finally got past the HR blockade. I have a heck of a time sometimes outside of academia trying to explain that I was "juts a tech" not because of lack of ambition or whatever it is they think but because of how much a PITA it is to change titles. Add onto that I don't have the piece of paper it doesn't matter if I have 15+ years experience I'm not going to be a coordinator. I'm locked into whatever title I'm allowed to have with my degree. Yep, my job description for the the new job was taken directly off my CV, word for word. When my boss did this, I had been with him over 20 years and knew where all the bodies were buried. He also knew I would willingly do anything from washing glassware to PhD level statistics, or any job thrown at me. TD worded at a company that had ‘Flexibility is a core value’ as its motto. It was mine, long before we met.
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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2021 16:24:20 GMT -5
You mean data analytics? That's a super hot field right now. I looked into it for myself, but I think it involves more computer programming than I care to deal with. If that's your thing, though, I think it's an awesome pivot. I have no idea whether it would be more 9-5. Probably depends on the company culture. Yes, possibly, although I'm not looking for anything that needs a masters degree. That's where I am more or less if you or anyone has questions. I do have a masters, and I will say most jobs I'm looking at now (senior positions or managers) do prefer a masters. But if you're not looking to advance that far you probably don't. How much programing you need to know depends on what end you get on. There's the data end and the analysis end. In smaller companies that might be the same person, but in larger companies they have a whole data team in IT that deal with all that madness. I know of python, but haven't used it and haven't needed to learn it yet. But that's because I'm coming from data analytics from the business side. I definitely have to dip into the IT side of it a bit, but I get away with a lot by just saying I don't know sql. I'm on the dashboards, reports, and analysis side 95% of the time.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 20, 2021 17:58:14 GMT -5
Yes, possibly, although I'm not looking for anything that needs a masters degree. That's where I am more or less if you or anyone has questions. I do have a masters, and I will say most jobs I'm looking at now (senior positions or managers) do prefer a masters. But if you're not looking to advance that far you probably don't. How much programing you need to know depends on what end you get on. There's the data end and the analysis end. In smaller companies that might be the same person, but in larger companies they have a whole data team in IT that deal with all that madness. I know of python, but haven't used it and haven't needed to learn it yet. But that's because I'm coming from data analytics from the business side. I definitely have to dip into the IT side of it a bit, but I get away with a lot by just saying I don't know sql. I'm on the dashboards, reports, and analysis side 95% of the time. My college alma mater offers an undergrad data analytics degree through their computer science department. I've looked at another uni that offers a business analytics degree, but I think that was a master's. I'm older, but still intend to get a masters in something. Still not sure exactly what yet, though.
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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2021 18:08:49 GMT -5
That's where I am more or less if you or anyone has questions. I do have a masters, and I will say most jobs I'm looking at now (senior positions or managers) do prefer a masters. But if you're not looking to advance that far you probably don't. How much programing you need to know depends on what end you get on. There's the data end and the analysis end. In smaller companies that might be the same person, but in larger companies they have a whole data team in IT that deal with all that madness. I know of python, but haven't used it and haven't needed to learn it yet. But that's because I'm coming from data analytics from the business side. I definitely have to dip into the IT side of it a bit, but I get away with a lot by just saying I don't know sql. I'm on the dashboards, reports, and analysis side 95% of the time. My college alma mater offers an undergrad data analytics degree through their computer science department. I've looked at another uni that offers a business analytics degree, but I think that was a master's. I'm older, but still intend to get a masters in something. Still not sure exactly what yet, though. Yeah mine has that as well, and also shorter certificate programs too. The computer science side is pretty much the ying to my yang in data analytics. Can't do anything if I don't have good data to do it! I'm just not interested in the programming side - but after working with them over the last few years I'd dislike what they do anyways. Just the little I've done and UAT is to make me run screaming from diving into that deep end! But I like playing with the data. Both sides have a lot of opportunity out there currently - like you said.
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Post by steph08 on Oct 20, 2021 19:12:12 GMT -5
So, I did some research into the university's benefits. I would save about $200/month between medical/dental/vision.
Their 401k contribution is 9.29%. They also add $144/month to a retirement health care account.
I would get 11 extra days/year thanks to more vacation, sick time, and holidays.
Assuming just my kids use the tuition discount for 4 years each, that would save me $114,000 at today's tuition rates (which are surely going to increase). (However, this is also assuming that they would have to pay full-price tuition if I didn't work there (no scholarships, grants, etc.)).
There doesn't seem to be any benefit to taking this job with a 20k/year pay cut, and from the job description/years of experience wanted/etc., I am overqualified and too pricey for them to meet my current salary or probably even come up $10k. I think that if I made more, then I would be making more than the person in charge of me.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 20, 2021 19:46:55 GMT -5
You mean data analytics? That's a super hot field right now. I looked into it for myself, but I think it involves more computer programming than I care to deal with. If that's your thing, though, I think it's an awesome pivot. I have no idea whether it would be more 9-5. Probably depends on the company culture. Yes, possibly, although I'm not looking for anything that needs a masters degree. What about a graduate certificate?
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Post by giramomma on Oct 20, 2021 19:57:20 GMT -5
The other thing I might do is just take some free courses on EdX or coursera or linkedIN learning or wherever. See if you like it.
The other thing I would do is poke around to see if there are any online undergrad degree programs meant for non-traditional students. You could take all of your previous work and apply it to a new major. There's also WGU to look at. Believe it or not, it's not treated the same as say university of Phoenix.
Getting into Project Management is my fallback. I've taken a class through school, and spend quite a bit of time managing projects at work. I don't know all the ins and outs deeply enough, but I know the differences between agile project management and waterfall project management and I'm competent in them right now. I like where I am. Sort of. I'm bored of doing the day-to-day work. But, some of the courses, I've been looking at for two decades now. I'm more interested in trying out new things and seeing what works for us and what doesn't. I used to be content working within a set of parameters. Now, I want to work on changing the parameters.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 20, 2021 20:18:13 GMT -5
The other thing I might do is just take some free courses on EdX or coursera or linkedIN learning or wherever. See if you like it.
The other thing I would do is poke around to see if there are any online undergrad degree programs meant for non-traditional students. You could take all of your previous work and apply it to a new major. There's also WGU to look at. Believe it or not, it's not treated the same as say university of Phoenix.
Getting into Project Management is my fallback. I've taken a class through school, and spend quite a bit of time managing projects at work. I don't know all the ins and outs deeply enough, but I know the differences between agile project management and waterfall project management and I'm competent in them right now. I like where I am. Sort of. I'm bored of doing the day-to-day work. But, some of the courses, I've been looking at for two decades now. I'm more interested in trying out new things and seeing what works for us and what doesn't. I used to be content working within a set of parameters. Now, I want to work on changing the parameters.
Yeah, I think that's pretty much where I'm at. Just need to find a class or 2 and get it on the schedule.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 20, 2021 20:42:43 GMT -5
So I have what could be considered a protocol question. As I have mentioned before I am about to retire. Now my boss is located in Virginia. I have never met him. Last year it was decided to lighten his load by introducing regional leads. My !ead is located in SoCal and I have not seen him in about 4 years.
In person resigning is obviously not going to happen so I am thinking Zoom. My question is with whom? Boss? Lead? Or both?
In the Netherlands it would just be my boss but that is not where I am. So what say you? I have no reason to cause any problems even if I am completely done - the only reason that I turned down several opportunities in the last year was that I knew this was my last year, but still...
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 20, 2021 21:08:29 GMT -5
So I have what could be considered a protocol question. As I have mentioned before I am about to retire. Now my boss is located in Virginia. I have never met him. Last year it was decided to lighten his load by introducing regional leads. My !ead is located in SoCal and I have not seen him in about 4 years. In person resigning is obviously not going to happen so I am thinking Zoom. My question is with whom? Boss? Lead? Or both? In the Netherlands it would just be my boss but that is not where I am. So what say you? I have no reason to cause any problems even if I am completely done - the only reason that I turned down several opportunities in the last year was that I knew this was my last year, but still... Who does your evaluation?
Or, is there an HR director?
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 20, 2021 21:37:33 GMT -5
Haven't had an evaluation in years. I just get raises and am told that I am "doing a good job, keep it up". Thing is no one aside from me does this specific work so they just look at voluntary feedback from people I support. I get along with them all and they don't complain. I have had calls On occasion that went oh, this is your raise after the money already hit my account
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Post by taz157 on Oct 20, 2021 21:44:57 GMT -5
Can you request a meeting with both at the same time? I could see telling your boss first then your lead too.
With my first job, I told my boss. With my 2nd job, I told my boss and firm admin at the same time (as usually reviews were done). With my last job, I told my 2 bosses at the same time then had a convo with HR.
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Post by steph08 on Oct 21, 2021 9:46:17 GMT -5
I would do a Zoom call with both of them.
When I tried to quit my current job, I had both the VP and the Director on the call - the VP had been my boss for about 5 months and the Director was going to take over being my boss (but he had only been there 2 weeks).
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 21, 2021 11:26:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. I think I will do the Zoom for the two of them and after that submit my letter of resignation to HR. Makes the most sense to me and if I am wrong, what can they do? Fire me? Withhold a good reference? I am retiring for crying ( ) out loud.
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Post by cktc on Oct 25, 2021 20:09:00 GMT -5
I accepted two new jobs today! One is a volunteer position, but it should vault my career forward a few years with the contacts and experience I will get. The other is a small pay bump, but fantastic benefits compared to my last contract job.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 25, 2021 21:31:06 GMT -5
I accepted two new jobs today! One is a volunteer position, but it should vault my career forward a few years with the contacts and experience I will get. The other is a small pay bump, but fantastic benefits compared to my last contract job. Congrats!!! kudos to you on navigating throught this to get here! hope you enjoy the new gigs!
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 26, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -5
I keep thinking I need to start working toward my 2nd career, so I can ride out 50-65 doing something more 9-5, hopefully a little less volatile and still make decent money. But I don't get past the thinking stage. My 42nd birthday is around the corner and my prep window is closing. So I'm going to buckle down and find a python programming class and revisit math. Now that we're back to online activities I have a lot of downtime I need a project anyway. I feel like I would do well working with data, hence the programming and math. If I go that route my hope is that I could get into those departments in my current company and then be anle to move out of mortgage all together. But I would love ideas on what potential 2nd careers to look at. Books that help you narrow that down? I look up the most in demand jobs every now and then and will try that soon to get more ideas too. One other thing to think about is just plain old report development a.k.a. Business Intelligence developer. You do have to learn SQL, but it’s a heck of a lot easier than python, and the reporting tools are just point and click. Where I live, it’s not unusual for BI developers to make north of six figures without any degree and work from home jobs are pretty common.
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Post by andi9899 on Oct 26, 2021 10:33:34 GMT -5
So I have what could be considered a protocol question. As I have mentioned before I am about to retire. Now my boss is located in Virginia. I have never met him. Last year it was decided to lighten his load by introducing regional leads. My !ead is located in SoCal and I have not seen him in about 4 years. In person resigning is obviously not going to happen so I am thinking Zoom. My question is with whom? Boss? Lead? Or both? In the Netherlands it would just be my boss but that is not where I am. So what say you? I have no reason to cause any problems even if I am completely done - the only reason that I turned down several opportunities in the last year was that I knew this was my last year, but still... I called my HR person and told her and asked any questions I had. Then I called my direct supervisor and told her. I then sent an email to both so that something was in writing.
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Post by Ava on Oct 31, 2021 11:32:57 GMT -5
So, I've been trying to improve my performance at work. Last week I went to the office two days. Unfortunately, I get a lot more done there. I say unfortunately because the commute is horrendous. If I lived closer I would start going in on a more regular basis. It's not the same environment as before the pandemic, as there are just a few coworkers, most people continue to work from home. But I have less distractions (Dali I'm looking at you ) and I get more accomplished. I'm going in again tomorrow, and I think I'll go in every day the following week because my manager has asked me to help him on a one-week project and we have to be on site to do it. Of course I said yes. I want to help, for one, and I want to be perceived as a good worker, for another. I think I'm doing better, and I plan to continue improving. I'm not sure what my ultimate goal is. But even if I decide to eventually pursue other employment, I want to be a good employee while I'm here, and for any future employer, too. I see better opportunities outside the group and this particular company, but I'm so comfortable here. Excellent relationship with the manager, great coworkers, great vacation time, relatively good pay and benefits. If I decide to stay, I need a promotion to the next level, can't stay at this grade forever. I think not getting that promotion would be the deal breaker for me. Plus next year I qualify for catch up contributions, travel to Uruguay is getting expensive, etc. I need more DINERO.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 5, 2021 11:36:48 GMT -5
My DD works for a major airline. She currently works at one of the smaller airports in the country, but it is by no means the smallest. She is dating someone who works in MKE but has also worked at several other airports around the country, and as a result she has met many of his friends. She was asked to apply for a job in Boston (by someone she met through her boyfriends social circle), and she literally does all the duties on the job description in her current job. Her BF keeps telling her she should not be doing many of the things she is doing b/c they are management duties and the tasks should be done by others who are getting paid to do them.
So the Job description she was sent the bottom of the pay scale starts at about 25% above her current pay. She is contemplating applying for the job, but her current station manager warned he that she has to be careful that she will not get locked into a low level position and not be able to get out and move up. She said she is getting experience doing many of the duties her Operations Service Manager does, but they generally hire people that are basically customer service managers to do the job. DD is working with employees, scheduling, shift bids, swaps, vacations, payroll, she co-ordinates hiring, is the interface between the airline and TSA for her airport, works with airport operations, schedules service calls for things like plumbing and electrical repairs, approves payment of invoices.
The top of the pay scale is nearly 3x her current pay. She said it is not that she does not know anyone there, b/c her boyfriend was recently there and she knows several people there (but they are all male), and her BFF's uncle is there - her and her BFF went to the wedding there last year. Her BFF is her Travel companion, so she is thinking about asking her to fly out there and explore the city with her.
This is not the only opportunity DD has here, there were 3 jobs she recently applied for that she has not yet heard back on (2 of the 3 were temporary though), the temp jobs you take for the term (usually 6 months) then you revert back to your original position, but they give you experience to move up. The third job is a really good job, and she would have opportunities all over the country and with other airlines if she completed the training and passed the exam - I think it is on the order of Air Traffic Controller.
I was thinking if DD took the job and negotiated a salary say at 60-75% of the pay range and then moved back to the Midwest, they higher salary would stay with her and influence her pay as she moves around. I guess it could screen her out of some jobs too, but when she worked at SBUX, when she moved to stores in higher paying regions and then moved back to lower paying regions, they did not cut her pay.
I ended up telling DD to take the job description, document how she is doing all the tasks in the job description and ask her MGT to charge her job title and raise her pay to at least the minimum in the job description. I told her as it would not give her new skills, I did not think she should apply for the position.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 6, 2021 11:58:54 GMT -5
DD’s contact in Boston is telling her since they can’t find anyone qualified for the job, he thinks she could start at as much as $70-75,000/ yr.
DD seriously thinking about applying. I would be upset about her moving out east, but we can fly direct MKE to Boston with a special deal DD gets. I told her there may be better financial opportunities now salary wise rather than in another year or two. I am a little concerned if her salary is too high, she could get stuck there, b/c her salary will be much higher than the starting salary for the next step up job/position. She doesn’t think that will happen though. Salary would be similar in next step up, she would be above base pay, b/c she would be working from a large airport. She said this position is not management-management gets bonuses.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 6, 2021 14:30:04 GMT -5
DD’s contact in Boston is telling her since they can’t find anyone qualified for the job, he thinks she could start at as much as $70-75,000/ yr. DD seriously thinking about applying. I would be upset about her moving out east, but we can fly direct MKE to Boston with a special deal DD gets. I told her there may be better financial opportunities now salary wise rather than in another year or two. I am a little concerned if her salary is too high, she could get stuck there, b/c her salary will be much higher than the starting salary for the next step up job/position. She doesn’t think that will happen though. Salary would be similar in next step up, she would be above base pay, b/c she would be working from a large airport. She said this position is not management-management gets bonuses. . Sounds like an exciting opportunity for her! Sending good thoughts!
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Post by bean29 on Nov 9, 2021 15:57:20 GMT -5
My Daughter called me and said she put in for the position in Boston. I told her to apply for it but now I have cold feet. Ha Ha.
She did it while she and her Manager were working on something, so she knows DD put in for it. They also know she applied for 3 other internal positions.
Just like everywhere else they have lots of openings. Lots of opportunity.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 11, 2021 13:08:35 GMT -5
So I handed in my notice on Tuesday. Set up a zoom call for both boss and lead, prepared my letter, and then... my computer crashed and neither I nor IT could get it back up in time. So I ended up texting them that we needed to reschedule. Instead they called me and I retired over the phone. Letter was send hours later when I was back in business. So much for wanting to do this right LOL.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 11, 2021 14:27:06 GMT -5
Congrats on the retirement Joss. When is the big day?
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