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Post by justme on Oct 14, 2021 8:38:09 GMT -5
So I had an interview today with a job a recruiter found for me. She contacted me a while ago for another job, but they had already decided on someone by the time she got back with them, and a few others that didn't fit. I was on the fence before, and after I still am. One thing is they're only offering me 2 weeks of pto and 6 days of personal time that's accrued. Which I have 3 weeks of PTO now, but after over a decade in my career I don't want entry level vacation anymore. It's a relatively new company that's had a lot of turnover. The CEO, CFO, and VP of FP&A have all been here for less than a year. The others on the team have only been there for a month or two except one woman who was 2 years. The upside is there's no one that's left this position, so it's brand new so it could end up being something I could create on my own. The downside is it and the team are brand new and the company has no one doing all the shit I HATE (budgeting, forecasting, P&L, P&L variance) and while the main guy said that he wants to focus more on analysis than spitting out reports (stuff I hate) they can't exactly ignore that either and I'm kind of worried I'd get sucked into that. But it could be challenging and the company is looking to double its locations (through acquisitions) in the next 2 years so there could be upward movement for me. If I'm not stuck in miserable hell doing shit I hate. Which with the number of locations they have (more than double my current job has) I'm hesitant because we have 3 full time people dealing with budgeting, forecasting, and P&L at my current job dealing with less than half - hell we've closed a dozen so it's closer to 1/3 of their current locations. The other thing is asking about the work week they all went on about how "we're not going to have you work 10-12 work days" but the main guy mentioned 40-50 work weeks and then said 45 and the other lady I talked with said under the past CEO there was no work-life balance but there is more now but she also mentioned 40+ hours and also settled around a 45 average. They did said there was no weekend calls, or early morning emails as requirements. But my current job is 40 hours. The increase the recruiter put in for...if I was doing 45 hours a week I'd be getting the same hourly wage as I get now. More money, but I'd be working 260 more hours a year for the pleasure of it. Money and benefits can be negotiated. And you'd have more leeway, I'd think, with a young and growing company where there isn't a lot of tradition. But the doing the work you hate--that might be an issue, as you said. Can you ask if there's a plan to hire someone to do those reports? I'm not so sure they can be. I'm going through a recruiter. She put forward a amount for me that was basically the top of the range they had for the position. I was ok with that amount until I learned it was more hours working. As for benefits, maybe. The listing I was sent had 2 weeks pto and I was like that was a deal breaker and that's when she talked about the 6 days. I said that's better but I'd still prefer more time off and she asked if 3 weeks was a deal breaker because she didn't want to waste people's time. Obviously nothing is set in stone, but I'm guessing less wiggle room since some of the pay/benefits talk was done up front by the recruiter.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 14, 2021 13:41:10 GMT -5
Money and benefits can be negotiated. And you'd have more leeway, I'd think, with a young and growing company where there isn't a lot of tradition. But the doing the work you hate--that might be an issue, as you said. Can you ask if there's a plan to hire someone to do those reports? I'm not so sure they can be. I'm going through a recruiter. She put forward a amount for me that was basically the top of the range they had for the position. I was ok with that amount until I learned it was more hours working. As for benefits, maybe. The listing I was sent had 2 weeks pto and I was like that was a deal breaker and that's when she talked about the 6 days. I said that's better but I'd still prefer more time off and she asked if 3 weeks was a deal breaker because she didn't want to waste people's time. Obviously nothing is set in stone, but I'm guessing less wiggle room since some of the pay/benefits talk was done up front by the recruiter. how much do you want to move on from current company? And how important is advancement? The new company is likely ideal for advancing, but yeah - you will have to put the hours in. I'd estimate alot more than 45/week.
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2021 17:34:13 GMT -5
justmeHope you make the right decision. I know that personally I would not leave a 40 hours a week job for something more demanding of my time. But you're way younger than me, so maybe now is the time to do that sort of change. Whatever you decide, it's great to have options.
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2021 17:44:28 GMT -5
So now that I have time to post, here's the story. As some of you may know, I've been with the same company since 2012 and on the same team since 2014.
I like my manager an my teammates. The job wasn't bad when we were in the office. Now we've been working remotely since March 2020. I have come to realize that I work way better in an office setting than at home. I live alone and if I don't go out and see people, get dressed for the day, leave my place, etc., I feel lonely and I get depressed. Then I start procrastinating and the quality of my work has suffered. The office is now open but going in person is not mandatory. The issue I have with the office is that the commute is horrible. Two hours a day in heavy traffic. That commute was the most stressful part of my life when I had to go in every day. So I don't go in now that I can avoid it.
In addition to that, I have a coworker who was hired in 2018, but she has easily 20 years industry experience. She used to work for a company that really trains the employees, paying for classes, etc. while I've been learning on the job. We both had the same grade in 2018, she was hired in that grade and I was promoted to it. The idea was that she would help me learn the ropes. Fast forward to today and with working remotely, plus she got all the heavy assignments from the get go, she has never spent time with me so I can learn. Now she's gotten promoted to the next level and she got a huge pay raise. It hit me hard. On a personal level I'm very happy for her but it's affecting me and my insecurities. Plus it drains me down. They don't promote often and now that seat is taken. It makes me feel inadequate and superfluous and I doubt I'll get promoted at some point. Add to that the fact that we're being acquired by a bigger entity, and there's a lot of uncertainty and changes. Not the right time to attempt a move or a promotion.
Yesterday my manager sent me an email and asked me to start reporting to him everything I do every day. I turned red in the face. I'm almost 49 years old, with an MBA and a CPA and that's my current work reality. I feel so down and bad. I told him I'll do my best and will give him a report each month. He kind of agreed to that. It's affecting me so much that I dream about work, and not nice things. I'm afraid I'll lose my job. And what would I do then?
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Post by steph08 on Oct 14, 2021 20:23:36 GMT -5
Could you come to a compromise with yourself and go into the office one or two days a week? Perhaps that would help you focus better on tasks? I'm also old school in that I keep a notebook of what I need to do, write a new list each week, and purposefully work to cross the tasks off.
I know how you feel about the other things - someone else at my company (only there for 5 months instead of 5 years like me) was promoted to a director position. Now she's my boss. And she wants me to copy her on all emails regarding an aspect of my job. It's unnecessary. In addition, we also have to provide a weekly report of what we have been doing.
Frankly, it's bullcrap, but I also think the "big boss" that requested this weekly report is so overwhelmed with all his direct reports and underlings that he really has no idea what everyone in his organization does.
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Post by finnime on Oct 15, 2021 4:16:28 GMT -5
Could it be, Ava, that the reason your boss wants activity reports from you has to do with the acquisition/merger? They are likely trying to match activity with capability as they absorb the pieces into one entity. IOW, it's not personal.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2021 7:53:33 GMT -5
So I had an interview today with a job a recruiter found for me. She contacted me a while ago for another job, but they had already decided on someone by the time she got back with them, and a few others that didn't fit. I was on the fence before, and after I still am. One thing is they're only offering me 2 weeks of pto and 6 days of personal time that's accrued. Which I have 3 weeks of PTO now, but after over a decade in my career I don't want entry level vacation anymore. It's a relatively new company that's had a lot of turnover. The CEO, CFO, and VP of FP&A have all been here for less than a year. The others on the team have only been there for a month or two except one woman who was 2 years. The upside is there's no one that's left this position, so it's brand new so it could end up being something I could create on my own. The downside is it and the team are brand new and the company has no one doing all the shit I HATE (budgeting, forecasting, P&L, P&L variance) and while the main guy said that he wants to focus more on analysis than spitting out reports (stuff I hate) they can't exactly ignore that either and I'm kind of worried I'd get sucked into that. But it could be challenging and the company is looking to double its locations (through acquisitions) in the next 2 years so there could be upward movement for me. If I'm not stuck in miserable hell doing shit I hate. Which with the number of locations they have (more than double my current job has) I'm hesitant because we have 3 full time people dealing with budgeting, forecasting, and P&L at my current job dealing with less than half - hell we've closed a dozen so it's closer to 1/3 of their current locations. The other thing is asking about the work week they all went on about how "we're not going to have you work 10-12 work days" but the main guy mentioned 40-50 work weeks and then said 45 and the other lady I talked with said under the past CEO there was no work-life balance but there is more now but she also mentioned 40+ hours and also settled around a 45 average. They did said there was no weekend calls, or early morning emails as requirements. But my current job is 40 hours. The increase the recruiter put in for...if I was doing 45 hours a week I'd be getting the same hourly wage as I get now. More money, but I'd be working 260 more hours a year for the pleasure of it. This is probably my own bias talking but this is what would make me hesitant. It's a relatively new company and yet they've already had a lot of turnover? Places that have high turnover have it for a reason. Even if we try to justify it as they are a new company with growing pains how are you going to make it through the pains if the longest a person has stayed is 2 years?
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 15, 2021 9:08:29 GMT -5
So now that I have time to post, here's the story. As some of you may know, I've been with the same company since 2012 and on the same team since 2014. I like my manager an my teammates. The job wasn't bad when we were in the office. Now we've been working remotely since March 2020. I have come to realize that I work way better in an office setting than at home. I live alone and if I don't go out and see people, get dressed for the day, leave my place, etc., I feel lonely and I get depressed. Then I start procrastinating and the quality of my work has suffered. The office is now open but going in person is not mandatory. The issue I have with the office is that the commute is horrible. Two hours a day in heavy traffic. That commute was the most stressful part of my life when I had to go in every day. So I don't go in now that I can avoid it. In addition to that, I have a coworker who was hired in 2018, but she has easily 20 years industry experience. She used to work for a company that really trains the employees, paying for classes, etc. while I've been learning on the job. We both had the same grade in 2018, she was hired in that grade and I was promoted to it. The idea was that she would help me learn the ropes. Fast forward to today and with working remotely, plus she got all the heavy assignments from the get go, she has never spent time with me so I can learn. Now she's gotten promoted to the next level and she got a huge pay raise. It hit me hard. On a personal level I'm very happy for her but it's affecting me and my insecurities. Plus it drains me down. They don't promote often and now that seat is taken. It makes me feel inadequate and superfluous and I doubt I'll get promoted at some point. Add to that the fact that we're being acquired by a bigger entity, and there's a lot of uncertainty and changes. Not the right time to attempt a move or a promotion. Yesterday my manager sent me an email and asked me to start reporting to him everything I do every day. I turned red in the face. I'm almost 49 years old, with an MBA and a CPA and that's my current work reality. I feel so down and bad. I told him I'll do my best and will give him a report each month. He kind of agreed to that. It's affecting me so much that I dream about work, and not nice things. I'm afraid I'll lose my job. And what would I do then? I think going in to the office right now would be good with the merger coming. Make sure youre front and center in their mind. Not 5 days a week, but 1-3 days. Maybe you could do off commute hours to cut down on the drive time. 5am to 2pm or 10am to 7pm (or shorter middle of the day hours and checking in before and after at home). Also, if he's asking for daily updates I don't think countering with monthly updates is ideal. At most I'd push for weekly, but right now you want to show how much you do. I've definitely complained about having time to do my job, or time to tell people I've done my job, not both but realistically both are equally important. I can be a rockstar fixing problems and keeping things moving to the point I'm not even noticed. Or I can be a squeaky enough wheel that people feel like they don't know what they'd do without me. Good luck! I know its stressful waiting.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2021 10:13:25 GMT -5
So now that I have time to post, here's the story. As some of you may know, I've been with the same company since 2012 and on the same team since 2014. I like my manager an my teammates. The job wasn't bad when we were in the office. Now we've been working remotely since March 2020. I have come to realize that I work way better in an office setting than at home. I live alone and if I don't go out and see people, get dressed for the day, leave my place, etc., I feel lonely and I get depressed. Then I start procrastinating and the quality of my work has suffered. The office is now open but going in person is not mandatory. The issue I have with the office is that the commute is horrible. Two hours a day in heavy traffic. That commute was the most stressful part of my life when I had to go in every day. So I don't go in now that I can avoid it. In addition to that, I have a coworker who was hired in 2018, but she has easily 20 years industry experience. She used to work for a company that really trains the employees, paying for classes, etc. while I've been learning on the job. We both had the same grade in 2018, she was hired in that grade and I was promoted to it. The idea was that she would help me learn the ropes. Fast forward to today and with working remotely, plus she got all the heavy assignments from the get go, she has never spent time with me so I can learn. Now she's gotten promoted to the next level and she got a huge pay raise. It hit me hard. On a personal level I'm very happy for her but it's affecting me and my insecurities. Plus it drains me down. They don't promote often and now that seat is taken. It makes me feel inadequate and superfluous and I doubt I'll get promoted at some point. Add to that the fact that we're being acquired by a bigger entity, and there's a lot of uncertainty and changes. Not the right time to attempt a move or a promotion. Yesterday my manager sent me an email and asked me to start reporting to him everything I do every day. I turned red in the face. I'm almost 49 years old, with an MBA and a CPA and that's my current work reality. I feel so down and bad. I told him I'll do my best and will give him a report each month. He kind of agreed to that. It's affecting me so much that I dream about work, and not nice things. I'm afraid I'll lose my job. And what would I do then? Every once and awhile I have a boss who gets on a "productivity" kick and all of a sudden I'm having to provide updates on every thing I do. It's a PITA but is doable. I had to do weekly reports so I'd have a word document open all day to add things too. You figure out how to word things so it impresses whatever paper pusher it is that came up with the idea. Eventually she would lost interest and it'd stop because it got to be too much for her to micromanage our time. We'd go back to living our lives till the next round. I would not argue with him over the update thing personally. He "kind of agreed" doesn't mean he actually agreed and that this isn't going to come back to haunt you. For all you know this isn't his decision but being pushed by the new company. You need to do the reports whether you like it or not. This is about covering your own ass. I would suck it up and start going into the office at least 2 days a week too. Ass in seat time counts a lot for some people so making a show of "coming in" will earn you points. You also need to get yourself motivated at home to also show you are being productive. You, and probably everyone else, are going to have to show that working from home is justified that you are doing just as much, if not more, than being in the office 5 days a week. This is about playing the game. Like it or not if we want to stay employed sometimes we have to do things the company's way. Especially when new people are taking over and are probably looking to cut costs/bring their own people in for cheaper.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Oct 15, 2021 10:33:03 GMT -5
So I had an interview today with a job a recruiter found for me. She contacted me a while ago for another job, but they had already decided on someone by the time she got back with them, and a few others that didn't fit. I was on the fence before, and after I still am. One thing is they're only offering me 2 weeks of pto and 6 days of personal time that's accrued. Which I have 3 weeks of PTO now, but after over a decade in my career I don't want entry level vacation anymore. It's a relatively new company that's had a lot of turnover. The CEO, CFO, and VP of FP&A have all been here for less than a year. The others on the team have only been there for a month or two except one woman who was 2 years. The upside is there's no one that's left this position, so it's brand new so it could end up being something I could create on my own. The downside is it and the team are brand new and the company has no one doing all the shit I HATE (budgeting, forecasting, P&L, P&L variance) and while the main guy said that he wants to focus more on analysis than spitting out reports (stuff I hate) they can't exactly ignore that either and I'm kind of worried I'd get sucked into that. But it could be challenging and the company is looking to double its locations (through acquisitions) in the next 2 years so there could be upward movement for me. If I'm not stuck in miserable hell doing shit I hate. Which with the number of locations they have (more than double my current job has) I'm hesitant because we have 3 full time people dealing with budgeting, forecasting, and P&L at my current job dealing with less than half - hell we've closed a dozen so it's closer to 1/3 of their current locations. The other thing is asking about the work week they all went on about how "we're not going to have you work 10-12 work days" but the main guy mentioned 40-50 work weeks and then said 45 and the other lady I talked with said under the past CEO there was no work-life balance but there is more now but she also mentioned 40+ hours and also settled around a 45 average. They did said there was no weekend calls, or early morning emails as requirements. But my current job is 40 hours. The increase the recruiter put in for...if I was doing 45 hours a week I'd be getting the same hourly wage as I get now. More money, but I'd be working 260 more hours a year for the pleasure of it. This job sounds like a huge no to me. Less PTO, longer hours, tasks you hate, new company (BTDT), high turnover. I see a lot of red flags in your post. What's the appeal?
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Post by giramomma on Oct 15, 2021 10:51:17 GMT -5
We were not allowed to work in our office from March 20-Junish 21. From March 20 until Sept, 21, we had to fill out a monthly spreadsheet accounting for what we did daily. When it first started, we also had to account for our time. Like X task took 1 hour. The "big boss" is totally old school and thinks workers have to be monitored. Except we have had flexibility in our workplace..since forever. So the whole thing was dumb I would counter for keeping a spreadsheet in google docs that you'll update and then share out with whoever needs it. From my experience, you need to update daily, anyway, or you totally will forget what you did by the end of the month.
ETA: I am still not prioritizing face to face time in the office because 1) I've got radiation to deal with and that scheduling nightmare and 2) no one wants to interact in a face-to-face setting in the office. Like, I'm getting an office mate soon, and we are not "allowed" to work in the office on the same days. Our office is at least 120sq feet in size. Plenty of room to social distance with a mask on.
On two floors, I'm the only one that keeps the door open. Everyone else works with doors that are shut. That's not particularly inviting or conducive to getting more work done. Plus, I have my hands all over the high profile "new'" efforts in our department. There's like 2 other people out of 40 like that. So I don't worry about face to face time.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Oct 15, 2021 12:59:15 GMT -5
wow - I guess a lot of companies did that productivity report thing. I thought our was being weird, it must have been noted on a CEO message board about pandemic coping.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2021 13:07:00 GMT -5
I imagine it's popping up again as employees fight to be able to continue to work from home. All those office managers now have nobody to manage, do you really need multiple managers to do a Zoom meeting?
So you have to come up with something to get everyone back into the office 5 days a week. Productivity is where they are going to hit.
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Post by Ava on Oct 15, 2021 13:36:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. Right now, my mother is here (and she's part of why I'm falling behind, though it's my own fault but it's harder with her here all day). She leaves October 24th.
I plan to go to the office twice a week for a few weeks after she leaves because I focus better there. I expect that will help me catch up and get more done, and get back on good speed. Once winter sets in it would be more difficult for me to go, but if I see myself falling behind again I'll make sure to go a few days to re focus again.
As for being visible to the new entity, it really doesn't matter if I'm in the office because nobody is there. There's around 10% of employees present in any given day. I go once a month for a task I have to be there to do, and I very sporadically see a manager around. So it's not like it's going to make a difference. It's like a ghost town in there.
I would say my immediate goal is to get back up to speed and not lose my job. The rest, like a possible promotion, etc. is secondary until I'm more productive.
I was planning on visiting my manager and have a conversation with him explaining I want to do more and take on more responsibilities, to see if he can help me progress. Good idea or bad? He's noticed I'm struggling. And I have to say a big part of it is from being home, but I've been in the same position for years and I'm bored, similar tasks everyday, I'm not trained for many of them and I do what I can, etc.
The daily report request was sent to me, personally. He had previously sent an email to all the team members asking for a monthly report.
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Post by Ava on Oct 15, 2021 13:37:23 GMT -5
So I had an interview today with a job a recruiter found for me. She contacted me a while ago for another job, but they had already decided on someone by the time she got back with them, and a few others that didn't fit. I was on the fence before, and after I still am. One thing is they're only offering me 2 weeks of pto and 6 days of personal time that's accrued. Which I have 3 weeks of PTO now, but after over a decade in my career I don't want entry level vacation anymore. It's a relatively new company that's had a lot of turnover. The CEO, CFO, and VP of FP&A have all been here for less than a year. The others on the team have only been there for a month or two except one woman who was 2 years. The upside is there's no one that's left this position, so it's brand new so it could end up being something I could create on my own. The downside is it and the team are brand new and the company has no one doing all the shit I HATE (budgeting, forecasting, P&L, P&L variance) and while the main guy said that he wants to focus more on analysis than spitting out reports (stuff I hate) they can't exactly ignore that either and I'm kind of worried I'd get sucked into that. But it could be challenging and the company is looking to double its locations (through acquisitions) in the next 2 years so there could be upward movement for me. If I'm not stuck in miserable hell doing shit I hate. Which with the number of locations they have (more than double my current job has) I'm hesitant because we have 3 full time people dealing with budgeting, forecasting, and P&L at my current job dealing with less than half - hell we've closed a dozen so it's closer to 1/3 of their current locations. The other thing is asking about the work week they all went on about how "we're not going to have you work 10-12 work days" but the main guy mentioned 40-50 work weeks and then said 45 and the other lady I talked with said under the past CEO there was no work-life balance but there is more now but she also mentioned 40+ hours and also settled around a 45 average. They did said there was no weekend calls, or early morning emails as requirements. But my current job is 40 hours. The increase the recruiter put in for...if I was doing 45 hours a week I'd be getting the same hourly wage as I get now. More money, but I'd be working 260 more hours a year for the pleasure of it. This job sounds like a huge no to me. Less PTO, longer hours, tasks you hate, new company (BTDT), high turnover. I see a lot of red flags in your post. What's the appeal? After reading your comment, I agree, it looks like not a good move.
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Post by steph08 on Oct 19, 2021 12:37:26 GMT -5
Had two interviews with flagship state university and just got offer today.
I knew I was overqualified for the position and probably priced out, but they made it sound like I'd get a "very reasonable offer."
It is $20k less than I make now. It's $10k less than I left my old job for 5 years ago!
It really sucks because it offers better PTO, insurance, and substantial tuition discount.
But it also would require a 170-mile roundtrip commute twice/week.
Blah. Keep searching, I guess.
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Post by azucena on Oct 19, 2021 12:58:42 GMT -5
What's the harm in countering? Think about what difference you might settle for and see if you can make that happen.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 19, 2021 14:07:16 GMT -5
Had two interviews with flagship state university and just got offer today. I knew I was overqualified for the position and probably priced out, but they made it sound like I'd get a "very reasonable offer." It is $20k less than I make now. It's $10k less than I left my old job for 5 years ago! It really sucks because it offers better PTO, insurance, and substantial tuition discount. But it also would require a 170-mile roundtrip commute twice/week. Blah. Keep searching, I guess. Can you (or kids) use the tuition discount? If so that would count for a lot Wow that long commute wouldn’t be for me, I wouldn’t even have applied
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Post by steph08 on Oct 19, 2021 14:47:48 GMT -5
Had two interviews with flagship state university and just got offer today. I knew I was overqualified for the position and probably priced out, but they made it sound like I'd get a "very reasonable offer." It is $20k less than I make now. It's $10k less than I left my old job for 5 years ago! It really sucks because it offers better PTO, insurance, and substantial tuition discount. But it also would require a 170-mile roundtrip commute twice/week. Blah. Keep searching, I guess. Can you (or kids) use the tuition discount? If so that would count for a lot Wow that long commute wouldn’t be for me, I wouldn’t even have applied Myself, kids, and spouse can all use the tuition discount (75% off).
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Post by taz157 on Oct 19, 2021 14:53:51 GMT -5
Can you (or kids) use the tuition discount? If so that would count for a lot Wow that long commute wouldn’t be for me, I wouldn’t even have applied Myself, kids, and spouse can all use the tuition discount (75% off). Are you or DH wanted to get another degree? I know your kids are still 10+ years away from college.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 19, 2021 18:58:48 GMT -5
Can you (or kids) use the tuition discount? If so that would count for a lot Wow that long commute wouldn’t be for me, I wouldn’t even have applied Myself, kids, and spouse can all use the tuition discount (75% off). That's pretty amazing, but 20k loss would hurt. I like the idea of countering.
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Post by steph08 on Oct 19, 2021 19:39:13 GMT -5
I might get another degree--I've always wanted Dr. in front of my name --but otherwise, the kids wouldn't use the tuition discount for 13 and 11 years, respectively. I could counter, but I don't know if I'd accept for even 10k more. I would definitely accept if it was near what I currently make, even 5k less, but I don't think I the tuition discount makes up the difference at this point. If my kids were going to college next year, yes. But losing over $100-200k in salary for the years in between doesn't seem to make sense.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 19, 2021 19:49:18 GMT -5
Salaries at universities tend to be set by the state without much wiggle room.
Even if negotiating works to start RAISES also have to be approved by the state. I was lucky to get a 1% raise in the entire time I worked for the University of Nebraska system.
That's part of why I left. I'd gone as far as I could lab hopping and was left hoping to barely keep up with inflation.
There were non salary compensations that made staying for as long as I did. But no way would I have given up the salary difference Steph is talking about to work there. It's highly unlikely she'd be able to make it back.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 19, 2021 20:37:43 GMT -5
I’m going to second what NomoreDramaQ1015 says. There is not a lot of wiggle room in salaries, and the best you might get is a few thousand $$. The one place you really want to look at is benefits. Look at retirement, insurance and ALL the benefits, including vacation and sick time. Every year, I got an accounting of how much the university paid for my job, not just my salary. When you added in tuition for my doctorate, my benefits amounted to nearly $30k over what my base pay was yearly.
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Post by justme on Oct 19, 2021 23:35:01 GMT -5
So checking back in. Thanks for the replies.
Heard back from the recruiter and while they had nothing bad to say about me they went with someone that has more Power BI experience than me. Which I was kind of figuring after the interview.
As for why it was a question - it was that there wasn't anything that was a definite OMG NO. But there were a lot of things that might turn out horrible. But there was also an opportunity to make the role mine. Which I kinda like. And if they grew as much as they did it could have been a great opportunity. It was just a lot of unknowns where it would either be great or miserable.
On the upside this recruiter has contacted me on several opportunities over the last year but this was the first that made it to interview. So it likely bodes well with me for her that there was no negative feedback or constructive criticism for me.
I'm not itching to leave. I'm bored as shit at my job (and have been) and pretty much had to force them to give me my last promotion after more than 5 years. And my raise sucked - like 6%? But since the pandemic pushed us to WFH and we're still there I'm kind of getting away with murder. I know I can't do what I'm currently doing at a new job (naps, grocery shop, go for a swim for exercise...basically only really working half of the week but still getting everything done - just got a great annual review natch)
But my department got decimated thanks to the pandemic. So while at the start of my promotion right before it my new manager was grooming me to take his position - when he moved on to another place at the company they elected not to fill his role and let go half of the analysts on my team. I'm guessing it'll take a couple years to ramp back up to there being a managerial role I could go for - so I'm basically stagnating in wage and role if I stay here. Plus all that meant I'm back under my old boss. Which he's nice and all - but he SUCKS at lifting his people up. Like he was getting promoted during a reorg, knew I had been there for 5+ Years, literally pointed out to me that I was responsible for or helped with OVER HALF of the projects that were citied in his promotion, but he didn't even think of promoting me until I told him I wasn't happy with a lateral move. For like the last 3 yearly reviews at minimum the only 'negative' is that I need to take more of a leadership role in stuff - but he refuses to delegate! I can't lead projects if I only get them after he's hashed everything out and just needs the end result. Like one year he told me that and literally the next day he took over a meeting on a project I was working and lead the whole thing.
All this made me update my linkedin and I got two more recruiters emailing me this week. Also have some remote jobs listed with some tech companies (they usually have good benefits) so going to pursue those as well. Though my mom scoffed at me when I mentioned FB had a few remote roles that I would fit. Downside is not going through a recruiter means having to rework my resume for each job to make sure the key words are in it - that's fucking exhausting.
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Post by justme on Oct 19, 2021 23:40:01 GMT -5
I’m going to second what NomoreDramaQ1015 says. There is not a lot of wiggle room in salaries, and the best you might get is a few thousand $$. The one place you really want to look at is benefits. Look at retirement, insurance and ALL the benefits, including vacation and sick time. Every year, I got an accounting of how much the university paid for my job, not just my salary. When you added in tuition for my doctorate, my benefits amounted to nearly $30k over what my base pay was yearly. For reference in the private world it's usually between 30-40% of your salary to cover all benefits. At least for companies that offer the usually stuff - 401k, health, dental, vision, disability, life insurance, vacation/sick time
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 20, 2021 0:33:47 GMT -5
I’m going to second what NomoreDramaQ1015 says. There is not a lot of wiggle room in salaries, and the best you might get is a few thousand $$. The one place you really want to look at is benefits. Look at retirement, insurance and ALL the benefits, including vacation and sick time. Every year, I got an accounting of how much the university paid for my job, not just my salary. When you added in tuition for my doctorate, my benefits amounted to nearly $30k over what my base pay was yearly. For reference in the private world it's usually between 30-40% of your salary to cover all benefits. At least for companies that offer the usually stuff - 401k, health, dental, vision, disability, life insurance, vacation/sick time So mine at the beginning was about 70%, and dropped to 50% when I got a significant raise and had stopped taking classes.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 20, 2021 7:25:02 GMT -5
I’m going to second what NomoreDramaQ1015 says. There is not a lot of wiggle room in salaries, and the best you might get is a few thousand $$. The one place you really want to look at is benefits. Look at retirement, insurance and ALL the benefits, including vacation and sick time. Every year, I got an accounting of how much the university paid for my job, not just my salary. When you added in tuition for my doctorate, my benefits amounted to nearly $30k over what my base pay was yearly. Yeah that was another reason I decided to leave. UNMC was passing more and more of the premium costs onto employees but unlike YM theory states they weren't raising our salaries to compensate. If you weren't going to raise my salary AND were starting to take away the non-salary benefits that made it worth the lower salary it was time to go.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 20, 2021 8:34:44 GMT -5
I keep thinking I need to start working toward my 2nd career, so I can ride out 50-65 doing something more 9-5, hopefully a little less volatile and still make decent money. But I don't get past the thinking stage.
My 42nd birthday is around the corner and my prep window is closing. So I'm going to buckle down and find a python programming class and revisit math. Now that we're back to online activities I have a lot of downtime I need a project anyway.
I feel like I would do well working with data, hence the programming and math. If I go that route my hope is that I could get into those departments in my current company and then be anle to move out of mortgage all together.
But I would love ideas on what potential 2nd careers to look at. Books that help you narrow that down? I look up the most in demand jobs every now and then and will try that soon to get more ideas too.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 20, 2021 9:02:17 GMT -5
I keep thinking I need to start working toward my 2nd career, so I can ride out 50-65 doing something more 9-5, hopefully a little less volatile and still make decent money. But I don't get past the thinking stage. My 42nd birthday is around the corner and my prep window is closing. So I'm going to buckle down and find a python programming class and revisit math. Now that we're back to online activities I have a lot of downtime I need a project anyway. I feel like I would do well working with data, hence the programming and math. If I go that route my hope is that I could get into those departments in my current company and then be anle to move out of mortgage all together. But I would love ideas on what potential 2nd careers to look at. Books that help you narrow that down? I look up the most in demand jobs every now and then and will try that soon to get more ideas too. You mean data analytics? That's a super hot field right now. I looked into it for myself, but I think it involves more computer programming than I care to deal with. If that's your thing, though, I think it's an awesome pivot. I have no idea whether it would be more 9-5. Probably depends on the company culture.
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